A Time for Renewal

Ref manoj #: 46

[( by rubbing foreheads and getting a mark on the forehead does not make a true believer)]

Are you telling me Muslims are closet Hindus because thay also have a `tilak` on their forehead?

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Amazing love-

How the Talibanis love Afganis



They will not let relief convoys enter Afghanistan without ``paying taxes.``

Amazing love

How the Chinese love Pakistanis -

Chinese Airlines have confirmed that they will not let Pakistanis travel to China.

Amazing love.

Re: eklayva #30

not really, she is a hypocrite who repeatedly contradicts herself while i stand by my views, however unpopular they may be with pakis. on the one hand she speaks big words about religion being a private matter, then on the she defends jehadis in Kashmir who believe in religious segregation.

by the way, don`t mention my name and his/her/whatever`s name in the same sentence.

Ref salwar #: 58

[He sternly warned against women being present at his funeral – or at his grave at any later date. He also instructed that: ``He who washes my body around my genitals should wear gloves so that I am not touched there.``]

Brilliant. The man flies a jet containing 30,000 gallons of fuel into a building and actually believes that his body will remain intact though the entire building will go up in flames. Science and mullah, obviously, don`t go together.

As for washing his genitals, it is questionable if this camel-fcuker ever washed himself.

[In Woman in the Muslim Unconscious, Moroccan scholar Fatna Sabbah documents how the crucial criteria of female ``beauty`` in Islamic society are silence, immobility, and obedience.]

Silence in you, Salwar, would indeed be a virtue.

Something to add to the dialogue:

Saints

Those who earn their names without knowing what suffering is...and elect it anyway. They love wtihout ambivalence one shining thing, yet some-the even more saintly-are tortured by the manifold richness of the discernible world. I`ve known one secular saint. I`ve watched him fast so an idea would swell. I didn`t want to be him, though once or twice, by design, I`ve felt that strange sumptiousness born from doing without. For him it must have been an imagined feast, like a wafer on the tongue. For me: just another something for the body to have known before it dies and becomes dust. Saints, like revolutionaries, walk headlong into the cool, dry wind, are always serving a hidden flame, are terrifying because of what they do not need. The saint asks, What will you die for? The revolutionary adds, For what would you kill? Either way, sacrifice is an ugly business, as ugly as history itself. Choose between these terrible things histroy often says. We are only commentators until, for us, it comes to that choice. -Stephen Dunn

Sadna, Eklavya, Zafar, anNy, Neptune, Stuka, temporal, drumz, soysauce, this current situation is too painful for me...the only things giving me refuge-organizing and reading.-s

``not really, he hates Islam and Muslims whereas I don`t hate Hinduism or any other religion.``

Except for Zafar, most other Indian Muslims, my Bong (Bangladeshi) drinking buddy, my Iraqi buddy from college, and the Paki colleague/friend in London who always knows where all the hotties in Europe are.

But then none of these people fit the rabid version of Islam most Pakistanis follow, so I guess they don`t qualify as real Muslims.

Ref hamidm #: 59

You, sir, are a rare human being. Your words about the 6-year-old Afghan girl carrying a load of cow dung for fuel touched my heart.

We have all the People of the True Faith pontificating here on Chowk about how America brought it all on herself because of the mistreatment of Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghans, etc. They also talk about how they are serving the US by doing wonderful charity work by running Section 8 Housing for the Handicapped or being doctors and psychiatrists.

I just saw on CNN yesterday that the White House has set up the American Fund for Afghan Children. Let us see how many of these self-professed bleeding-hearts for the Ummah send any money to this fund.

On the other hand, I can see hundreds of thousands of 6- and 7-year-old American children, opening their piggy banks to get out the one dollar that President Bush has asked them to contribute, and asking their parents or school to send their money in. These innocent little children are truly blessed.

That some children like these have been deprived of a father, a mother, or favorite uncle on Sept 11 is the greatest tragedy.

Hey hamidm, welcome back to civilization. I was getting worried.

Good to know that yu`re still -- as Ghalib would say -- aadha mussalman -- raat ko peeta hooN mugger din meiN masjid jaata hooN.

Write some more about the old country. We missed your posts.

Islam needs Renaissance!

Just like the protestant movement evolved christianity, hindu renaissance under ram mohan roy ended sati and other social evils(still evolving), Islam needs complete transformation from a regressive and retro-regressive religion to a modern and 21st century evolving religion that gets rid of the sharia stuff, gets rid of irrelevant hadiths/sunnas which have no meaning now. i have seen some of the hadiths that tell someone how and when to dig their nose, etc. come on! some of the sunnah(way of living then) would constitute criminal behavior when seen in current democratic laws.

let us face it. What is the point of beheading someone, chopping up one`s limb; all you are left is increase in social costs and welfare. all it does is project islam as medieval barbarism. perhaps, community service for violators and lethal injection for murderers(more humane) and having institutional democracy(constutition, free speech etc) would be a fresh start and also will marginalize the mullahs.

islam needs to evolve from this group thinking mentality and not let the mullahs speak for the majority. yes, mullahs can speak for themselves.

islam needs to give the notion of jehad a nice burial. the world is always going to be an imperfect place. it is job of the future generation to make it a happier and better place to live without fear. let there be transformation within islam.

thanks

scout # 67

“Bringing up the creation of Pakistan and problems in Kashmir is not the issue here.”

no its not. The issue is that you’re saying two contradictory things at once. First you say we shouldn’t make religion a public issue, but then you support the creation of Pakistan and jihad in Kashmir – causes supported solely by people who feel religion should be a public issue.

care to clarify?

http://www.timesofindia.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1730880982

Naipaul. And what he thinks of Indians.

Ref harimau #: 108

Can`t you guys pick a good handle? I was assuming that Ayesha Sarwari was the one who posted that thing.

Hey Sarwar, get a good ghati name like Ashole.

VS Naipaul the controversial author of an Indian parentage -- from the ``intellectual`` Trinidad (``India is NOT intellectual``, he says) -- has won -- the overdue, well deserved Nobel Prize in literature – not for his beginning senility or his boorish remarks about India, Hinduism, Islam, Tony Blair, EM Forester’s homosexuality etc -- but for the brilliance of his unique style, biting satire, depth of perception,and mastery of detail.

Mr. Naipaul in fact was a benignly neglected literary giant of 70’ and 80’s -- now ruduced to becoming a bitter, arrogant ``plebian`` commentator of English and Asian worlds -- who himself shows a ``phlistine`` taste in literary criticism.

Hopefully this award, though late -- will help heal some of Mr. Naipaul`s bitterness of soul and intellect -- and will correct his skewed vision of world history, religions, and cultures.

I don’t think his award has anything to do with an anti Islam message sent by the Nobel Committee.

Harimau,

re: V.S. Naipaul

Naipaul has written two good books-The Enigma of Arrival and Miguel Street. That is it. In Enigma, he had the integrity to try to interrogate the obvious self-loathing and dislocation he feels, as a colonized Indo-West Indian in Great Britain. Miguel Street, as you know, was a collection of short stories that seemed to escape the sense of being less than that has pervaded his remaining work. To read Naipaul is to live with the uneasy feeling that you are reading the words of a writer who must look down on the developing and enslaved world and expects your complicity-Bend in the River, Among the Unbelievers (and I as a devout secularist, found the latter book badly written)-same reference point.

That he was given a Nobel and is placed in the company of Morrison, Marquez, Neruda-well it`s dissapointing in terms of literary standards. Naipaul doesn`t live up, Brahmin, descendent of indentured Indians, honorary good ole boy, what have you...his work is not that extraordinary nor humane.

harimau,

there are times when I can`t tell whether you are joking or not...

Bush asking American school children to save money to donate to starving, endangered Afghani children is an obscene irony. We are bombing one of the most landmine filled countries in the world. This country is on the verge of official famine, therefore the US is showering packets of food that the UN relief effort has dismissed as inadequate and nutritionally unsound. And we are bombing them, after our history with them. I`d like to know what is admirable about any of this- the purity of young who will save money maybe, but then one day they will be able to read newspapers and history books. So even they will know that they have been exploited.