India’s Communal Gamble

Asif naqshbandi:

So you want comments on Ala`s (whoever) suggestions ? I thought you were smarter than that- seriously. Ok here goes my comments:

``1. Barring the affairs wherein Government is involved, the Muslims should decide all their disputes mutually so that millions of rupees,which are being spent over litigations, may be saved.``

What if the 2 or more parties find no mutually agreeable solution ? They just don`t see eye to eye- period. Isn`t litigation better than war ?



``2. The affluent Muslims of Bombay, Calcutta, Rangoon, Madras and Hyderabad should open banks for other poor Muslims.``

Should it be made the law ? I don`t think so, what about free will- What if I`m a meanie or just don`t care-

``3. Muslims should not purchase anything from anybody except Muslims.``

While purchasing, people ususally demand good quality, and a good deal- these matter most to capitalist peegs like me - not the religion of the seller. Its a global society. Stop thinking like an exclusivist- Please tell that to your leader too.

``4. The sciences of Islam should be propagated and publicized``

Science is not specific to any religion. If that were so the computer you are using would be unislamic and your typing may be considered a haraam activity ( and maybe even is by some fundoo freaks)

I don`t know where to end, but I think we are on two very different planes.

Asif Naqshbandi

Dear Mr. Naqshbandi:

Some say our heroes are their villans. Others say that this an extreme view and then in the same breath confirm that our heroes are their villans. But what does this matter anyway, God knows the heart and the intention of his creature, and does not God Listen to all, who remember him and are thankful for His mercy, for even in wretchedness, God carries His creatures in the palm of his hand.

Wonderous, boundless, mercy and forgiveness are the promised reward to all, for showing mercy and forgiveness towards others. Can anyone doubt this?

Re: Asif

``It seems even praying for the revival of Muslims in India really rattles certain Hindus! Talk about hatred....!!``

Nah, it ain`t hatred. But India will always be a secular country...never again a Muslim country. People can keep their religions private and in their house...no room for it in the public domain or in government affairs. Anyone who doesn`t like that, lives to proselytize, or wants to be ruled by clergy is free to get the fcuk out.

Re: Asif

``I think you know deep down inside that Islam is right and that terrifies you....

May Allah guide you to Islam...:-)``

May Allah guide you to sanity.

harimau #310
Its all in your mind. I must admit its fun to see you carefully making the distinction between Pakistani and Indian, you never bothered before.

Asif Naqshbandi# 314

``I dont let my absolute conviction of the truth of Islam make me narrow minded``

When logic fails, one resorts to faith: Bertrand Russell

Kohinoor-e-Pakistan WalaTala Hazrat Maulana Asif Naqshbandi Sahab (Sawalahi waslam):

``It is funny how my prayer--which just asked Allah to remove the chains of slavery from the Muslims of India and restore them to their former glory and for each Muslim child to have pride in his Muslim ancestors and to renew in them the fervour of their past--so upset a few hindus on here.I said nothing bad against anyone in that humble little prayer.``

Relax, no one is bothered by you praying for Indian Muslims, atleast not me. Its just the way you pray in your highly Persianized Urdu as you put it, and the things your wrote - Aurangzeb ki shaan, then about Timur (wasnt he one of those many Muslim invaders that ravaged Delhi?) etc that was so hilariously funny, we couldnt resist it.

Seriously,tell me do you think

1) Ghouri/Ghaznavi were heroes, considering the fact that the worst sufferers of their tyranny in India were ancestors of present day Pakistanis, many of them Muslims even then?

2) Does Taimur Lame qualify as a hero for Indian/Pakistani Muslims, merely because he was Muslim, in total disregard of the grief that he brought to many Indians (many of them Muslims)?

Thanks in advance.

Satyavadi

Zafar #304:

``But I will certainly keep my eye out for any Turkish/other Meditterranean ladies on your behalf - please do send details so that I can circulate here. (My flatmate is from Cyprus, but Greek. How about somebody from there? Also many Lebanese people here in Sydney.)``

Lebanese, Greek, Cypriot Greek, Cypriot Turk koi bhi chalegi, as long as ... you know what :)

``Good luck with finding a rishta. Really - details bhejiye and I will do my best to help``

Thanks man. Bohat jaldi bhejta hoon :)

``After reading Asifbhai`s explanation of the Prophet`s genitals and parents rising from the dead a couple of boards back I have unfortunately not been able to find the time to go through his posts since, nor to address posts to him (I don`t wish to waste his time).``

Mitthi chhuri ho to aap jaisi :)

Later.

Satyavadi

No community has ever enjoyed so much attention and spent so much time in the sunshine, for all the wrong reasons. And all roads lead to pakistan.

today`s day of glory:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20011026-25413235.htm

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20011025-97583115.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0%2C1361%2C581201%2C00.html

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=101459

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/26/opinion/26FRIE.html

Here`s something interesting. I hear donkeys bred in Lahore(Pakistan) and Afghanistan are in great demand in Rajasthan fairs. We always knew that there are great donkeys in the land of pure. It is so evident on Chowk.

http://headlines.sify.com/164news5.html

Pullu

RSaxena (and others like him):

I really feel sorry for you: a simple prayer, which, given the highly Persianised Urdu it was written in, I doubt you even understood properly, caused you to curse me and call me a ``pschotic mofo``...

So much hatred is sad...and the funny thing is you do not even know me!

I think you know deep down inside that Islam is right and that terrifies you....

If you can, try to read Martin Lings` excellent biography of the Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) or, Roger du Pasquier`s ``Unveiling Islam`` or Gai Eaton`s, ``Islam and the Destiny of Man``...

But, somehow, I doubt that you will..since it is easier to remain ignorant and not challenge yourself mentally...that way you can justify your hatred to yourself :-)

(Before you ask, I have read the Mahabharat and parts of the Gita and Mirabai`s poetry...) I dont let my absolute conviction of the truth of Islam make me narrow minded ;-)

Or just go to the dargah sharif of Hazrat Sultan al Hind Khawaja Muinuddin Hassan Chishti (may his secret be sanctified) in Ajmer with an open mind...there you will see haqq....this great Sunni saint alone converted 90 lakhs of Hindus to Islam...

May Allah guide you to Islam...:-)

Zafar,

I cannot recall having written any thing about the Blessed Prophet alayhisalatosalaam`s anatomy mubarak which you refer too; I would NEVER write about that for fear of disrespect. I think I did write about the imaan of the blessed parents of the Beloved Prophet alayhisalaam--in fact, if I recall all I did was paste an article which gave the orthodox Sunni view on this matter of aqeedah.

That`s all.

BTW, since you are from India have you heard of Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan of Bareilly Sharif, U.P.?

BTW, I always welcome any feedback from you insha Allah. I am always happy to meet new people especially from Hindustan. You can email me if you like on naqshbandijamaati@yahoo.com (so can anyone else on here)

:-)

wa salaam

It is funny how my prayer--which just asked Allah to remove the chains of slavery from the Muslims of India and restore them to their former glory and for each Muslim child to have pride in his Muslim ancestors and to renew in them the fervour of their past--so upset a few hindus on here.I said nothing bad against anyone in that humble little prayer.

It seems even praying for the revival of Muslims in India really rattles certain Hindus! Talk about hatred....!!

BTW, no one has commented on the method given by Ala Hazrat on how the Muslims of India can revive their fortunes peacefully which I presented in post * *231 * * I think as the 4 Point Plan...

Ref ali1 #: 300

[u r right. the baboons need a mahmood ghaznavi... judging the their reactions, the dhotis are beginning to get wet already with fear. cowardly bride burning thugs. maybe this time mahmood will plant enough seeds so the baboons can evolve to neanderthals...]

Can`t get the rape fantasy out of your mind, can you, Ali?

Ref sadna #: 298

[Do you see the contradiction here?]

I am asking the Pakistanis to shut up about Babri Masjid, not Indians of any religion. Hence there is no contradiction.

By the way, way back in 1991, my reaction when I heard about the mob assembling to break down Babri Masjid was that the Army should have been ordered to send in a couple of helicopter gunships and take out the first couple of rows of the assembled crowd (including any RSS/VHP/Bajrang Dal leaders) and that would have put the crowd to flight. So, I am not the foaming-in-the-mouth Hindutvavadi you think I am.

However, I must admit that I am beginning to enjoy your new posts. You seem to have lost some of your namby-pamby handwringing ultra-liberal approach.

Re: Zafar

``For every Bukhari there is a Shabana Azmi.``

I know I`m not supposed to like this Bukhari fellow but I can`t help but give him an ear when goes on tirades against Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir. At least one part of his brain, no matter how small, must be working. No? Or do you think he and the BJP have struck a deal where they don`t bother him when he goes on tirades against the US (and for Taliban) as long as he goes on tirades against Pakistan?

Zafar #303
`` I agree that impetus for change has to come from the group most affected – Muslim women in India. I agree that there’s no organisation made up of them which has taken a stand on this.``
`` don’t agree – I think in this case the law has to change, and then disadvanteged groups (like women) empowered to demand their legal rights. Social engineering fueled at least partly by legislation? Perhaps…where’s a philosopher king when you need one? ``

Actually, the way I see it, I donot think we should wait for Muslim women only to speak. Its like if we had waited for Hindu brides to speak up about dowry deaths.. Its a perhaps collective responsibility to address problems specific to any group, even if we donot belong to it.

So firstly, if UCC is the only solution, there is an additional minority religious identity aka subcontinental history issue here, its less likely to become a ``us vs them`` minefield if there were correspondingly strong voices among Muslims in favor. This holds true for other religion-specific personal laws too.

UCC maynot be the only solution. I think some Muslim womens organisations are making the case for laws less liable to misuse within the ambit of the Personal Law itself. That may be another way. The pitfall is then the Muslim Personal Law Board becomes sole arbiter, with nominated members? it is less accountable than it should be and kingdom may come by the time they move in the `right` or desired direction.

How about a Muslim Prime Minister next.. A Muslim at the forefront of change in Muslim Law would be ideal. When this happens I put in my request for a few hard kicks to the whining Sanghis/Jamaatis? backsides.