A Letter Home

Re: last post to YLH

The sentence that I wanted to quote is:

``...As for my `nationalistic` fervor, it is not rooted in some fantasy but in reality .. ``

The remainder of the post remains unaltered

Re: YLH

``...And no, the Khaki chaddis of the RSS never were a sartorial attraction to me....``

And when, dear YLH, do you plan on translating the `nationalistic fervor` into action on the ground in Pakistan? Or, are you going to be content with burning your keypad from New Jersey?

Tahmed,

Whatever man... I have given you the blue print for the confederation of Nations .. I didnt give your post serious thought... I had given these issues a serious thought last year when I was trying to analyze the issues of existence and identity... especially context of religion and nationality etc.

By declaring the nonsense that you are declaring you have shown yourself to be the equal of the intolerant bigots of the WTC fame difference? You speak of Globalization, they speak of a narrow interpretation of Islam.

As for my `nationalistic` fervor, it is not rooted in some fantasy but in reality .. and I find everything wrong with your view, because your entire post shows your arrogance and closemindedness... I would imagine that I am perhaps much more of a `globalist` than yourself, but because I am so I know that in a closely knit global world we will have to exist in representative units ie Nations.

I was not competing with you, nor was I debating with you... nor do I have any desire to convince you of anything... Please give up these childish notions ok? So celebrate your Post 175 all you want... You have shown yourself to be arrogant conceited vain man.

When people who lack `intellectual rigor` will finally come up with a firm and concrete plan for humanity to live under one democratic government without one culture overtaking another, and after having overcome the natural biases that exist in one`s life... maybe then you can speak... But then again, your version of `globalism` will only have the same fate as `communism`.

Shouting slogans is easy, implementation of ideal may not be... both you and I want the same thing.. a United Humanity... You want it by suppressing a vital human right, I want it by celebrating it. That is the difference!

-YLH

Re: Stuka #213

``...And no, the Khaki chaddis of the RSS never were a sartorial attraction to me...``

I also think that if the RSS is serious about expanding membership, they should start with a redesign of their oversized khakhi shorts. They are a big turn-off for even the less fashion-inclined crowd.

ylh: I think you overlooked my note #175 with some serious, thoughtful, not to mention enlightened discussion. I will assume it challenges your nationalistic fervor, and you are unable to find a logical flaw in that argument, and that you are also unwilling to accept that you are unable to find a logical flaw in that argument, and that therefore post #175 wins by walkover.

Post #175 Zindabad!!

Note: Please ignore my post below, which is an earlier draft of this one.

ylh: I think you overlooked my note #175 with some serious, thoughtful, not to mention enlightened discussion. I will assume it challenges your nationalistic fervor, and you are unwilling to find a logical flaw in that argument, and that you are also unwilling to accept that you are unwilling to find a logical flaw in that argument, and that therefore post #175 wins by walkover.

Post #175 Zindabad!!

scout

gandi bachi, iyam :--) but the shirt ka back is not there silly, skirt poora poora hae ;--)

saxena

im sure my man would like to shove a few horns up your rear - himmat hae tau apnaer baarae mae kuch details do beta

or will you take the whole `the internet is not safe` bull again?

Gowardhan : I hate Pakistan.

Fine, but why do you feel the need to come here then? Why this obsession with Pakistan. As for National Policy, it is clear that the educational system and national policy made bigots like you has done its homework much better.

Mohajir,

Thanks for the article on the Pakistani anti war/anti nuke group. It was extremely informative.

Do any Chowkies know how to get in contact with this group?

regards

Gowardhan

“When Pakistani children are taught this hatred, what is the chance of meeting a good Pakistani?”

…with all that baggage you carry around….you probably wouldn’t know even if you were hit over the head by one…

tahmed,

The way I see it each `national` group will have a fair share, or `globalization` will be a pipe dream. If indeed there is unity in diversity, then what is there to stop fully independent, confident and secure nation-states to come together in a confederation of common humanity? There I submit that common moral values will reign supreme.

If we do pit globalization against nationalism for no matter how noble of a reason, will only lead to more division. Its time idealistic globalists started pursuing their dream according to reality factor... Outwardlooking Nationalism should be harnessed for a globalist society.

It goes beyond culture ofcourse one world without political divisions, no matter how noble an ideal, means loss of sovereignty for the Majority of the World`s national/cultural groups.

What I am trying to say is that a world without nation-states is a world where there will be abuse of power and resources... Who is going to get what? Chinese people will be the largest group... Indians second largest and I am sorry, what I have seen of people like Gowardhan and others, I am sorry I cant live in world where Indians will have distinct political advantage over me...

Again you will come to cause and effect... but the fact remains, we will not be one but many .. we will be in different groups, with different languages, different cultures, and different religions... diversity will be crushed in United World without nations...

On the other hand, I suggest the setting up of a World Government on the lines of a confederation. The World Government can enter to Political contract with its constituents, the Nation-states.

Hence instead of loathing the idea of nationhood and nationalism, its time everyone started respecting the other`s right to `nationhood` ... especially people like yourself who love cracking rather unfunny jokes at the expense of people like myself..

In other words you are formulating an ideology ridden World state extremely centralized and authoritarian... whereas, I am speaking of a democratic union of the people of world through their representatives : the Nation-states.

So here is how Nationhood figures into `globalization` of the World today.

As for your `cause and effect theory` ... I `ll give you a simple answer : FREEDOM! Freedom to associate oneself with whoever one wants... freedom from imposed ideals of self professed humanists and terrorists alike!

And here is a more `assertive` source:

United Nations Human Rights Declaration Article 15 Point 1:

`Everyone has the right to a nationality.`

By mocking me for exercising my right to Nationality you are as oppressive as the terrorists who bombed the World trade center... If you have the right to be a Muslim, and profess Islam as your religion, I have a right to be a Pakistani and call Pakistan my nation. Who are you to say what is important and what is not!

To even think that my name would be associated in anyway with the name of an Indian loser like Bhartiya Musalman is disgusting. Let me put all the rumors to rest. Bhartiya Musalman has never asked my hand in marriage, nor do I think any indian fool would dare to.Like I said before, I`d rather marry a Pakistani Hindu than marry an Indian Muslim. From what I understand Yasser threw in that line to detrack bhartiya`s already fantastic and nonsensical argument.

Please keep me out of this nonsense in future.

Thankyou

Aisha

Re: Stuka

My point was that the `rest of India (

semipreciousme:

Thank you :) (blush)

You may have gone to Hindu fundamentalist RSS schools in Punjab. I dont know about their books.

??!!??? Dude Gowardhan, I swear to you I never went to RSS schools in Punjab. I am a Punjabi yes, but from New Delhi, and in fact have never been to East Punjab outside of Chandigarh.

And no, the Khaki chaddis of the RSS never were a sartorial attraction to me. All the examples you give me of amity, Sikh Gurus, Mughals etc etc, have nothing to do with Pakistan. They are to do with the history of India, and yes, we made our choice, that we will not differentiate on the basis of religion.

Coming to Pakistan, exactly what were we taught about Barrister Jinnah. Were we taight that he was against the introduction of religion to Politics? Gandhi`s favourite Muslims, The Ali Brothers, were we taught that they were fundamentalists? Anyway, this history debate is going on and on, the point is what can your opinions do for you? What will the hatred achieve for you. If there is an action against you, there should and will be a retaliation. If the Pakis kill us with hatred, and we kill them with sadness in our hearts, trust me, it won`t make a difference to the dead.

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