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#355 Posted by mohajir on December 27, 2001 1:57:46 pm
Connecting terrorism`s dots
Arnaud de Borchgrave
Dec. 27, 2001
Washington Times
In an attempt to avoid embarrassing Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, and to pre-empt any Indian campaign to extend the war against terrorism to cover terrorist training camps in Pakistan, the White House announced Dec. 20 it was blocking the assets of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET) which it described as ``a Kashmiri terrorist organization that has conducted a number of operations against Indian troops and civilian targets in Kashmir since 1993.``
That was once over very lightly. If truth be known, the facts behind LET are identical to Osama bin Laden`s al Qaeda`s organization. The terrorists are interchangeable between both organizations. They were all trained in al Qaeda`s camps and some of bin Laden`s Afghan Arabs have already found refuge among LET`s ranks in Kashmir. The White House`s new formulation calls LET ``a stateless sponsor of terrorism.`` But LET is also Pakistan-based and Pakistan-sanctioned.
LET`s ranks consist of Pakistanis, Afghans, and Arabs led by Pakistani cadres. Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence agency oversees LET`s terrorist operations. Headquartered at Muridke outside Lahore, LET holds annual conclaves that are attended by serving and retired officers of ISI and the regular army, political leaders, and retired scientists of Pakistan`s nuclear establishment. LET`s terrorists are ``freedom fighters`` dedicated to ``the liberation of Indian-occupied Kashmir.`` Its political cover is called Marka-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad (MDI), a fiercely anti-U.S. pseudo-religious, extremist organization.
LET`s last big meeting was held in Muridke April 13-15 and was attended by retired Gen. Hameed Gul, a former head of ISI and currently ``strategic adviser`` to Pakistan`s extremist religious parties; Retired Gen. Javed Nasir, another former ISI director general; Abdul Qadir Khan, the father of Pakistan`s nuclear bomb; Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, formerly with the Atomic Energy Commission and recently detained at the request of the U.S. for questioning about his meetings with Osama Bin Laden. The conference passed a resolution calling on its ``freedom fighters`` to capture Hindu temples, destroy the idols and hoist the flag of Islam on them.
ISI was tasked with ensuring that no journalists gained access to the meeting. But some did. The News reported on April 22 that LET ``operates six private military training camps in Pakistan and Kashmir where several thousand are given both military and religious education.`` The newspaper also reported that LET runs 2,200 recruiting offices across Pakistan and some two dozen ``launching camps along the Line of Control [LOC] in Kashmir,`` which makes it ``the biggest jihadi [holy warrior] network in Pakistan.``
No militant training center in Pakistan can operate without the consent of the army, now in power, and ISI, a state within a state whose chief reports only to Mr. Musharraf. Yet the government continues to be in a state of deep denial. Presidential spokesman Gen. Rashid Quereshi says, ``No group operating in Kashmir has any base in Pakistan.``
Mr. Musharraf is riding a terrorist tiger and is having trouble dismounting. Last May 18, Najam Sethi, the editor of ``Friday Times,`` an authoritative weekly journal, summed up the president`s dilemma: ``The Musharraf model seeks to covertly ally with the jihadi groups while overtly keeping the mainstream religious parties out of the power loop. This is to enhance and sustain its covert external agenda, while internally maintaining an overtly moderate anti-fundamentalist stance for the comfort of the international community whose economic support is critical to Pakistan`s financial viability.``
The terrorist attack against the Indian Parliament Dec. 13 was almost certainly the work of Jaish-e-Mohammed (Soldiers of the Prophet), another Pakistan-based terrorist organization. This writer found its slogans painted in towns and villages throughout the Pakistani tribal belt last week, to wit: ``Jaish-e-Mohammed and al Qaeda are Bubbling Blood Brothers`` and ``For Commando Training, Contact Jaish-e-Mohammed.`` The motive for the attack was most probably an attempt to disrupt the budding U.S.-Pakistani alliance and isolate Mr. Musharraf.
After ditching Taliban, it becomes increasingly harder for Mr. Musharraf to crack down on those who would Talibanize Pakistan. In fact, he released from detention the No. 1 religious extremist firebrand, Fazrul Rehman.
Mr. Musharraf is now caught between a rock and four hard places — Afghanistan where the anti-Pakistani, pro-Indian Northern Alliance holds the key government positions in the new coalition under Hamid Karzai; a hostile India on the edge of retaliatory action; a disloyal ISI; and a belligerent extremist clergy.
Despite the appointment of a Musharraf loyalist as the new head of ISI when U.S. bombing started last October, the powerful agency has not been responding to the president`s pro-American policies. One regional ISI general even went so far as to rattle tribal chiefs by telling them Pakistan would be next in America`s crosshairs after the defeat of Taliban. The secret organization continues to undermine him at every turn. The country`s principal political leaders are fearful of ISI. They draw the initials with their fingers in the air when the subject comes out lest they be heard by ubiquitous bugs. And they say nothing short of a top-to-bottom reform of ISI, followed by accountability to a yet-to-be-created national security council of civilian and military leaders, will bring the agency back to its proper place in the body politic.
The Taliban infrastructure in Pakistan emerged unscathed from Taliban`s defeat in Afghanistan. While ISI is officially cooperating with the U.S. in hunting down Taliban`s deposed leaders, senior Taliban officials are now resting comfortably in their second homes in Quetta and Peshawar, the two frontier towns where they had parked their families when the bombing started. One has even given an interview to a British newspaper. Another has given a ``religious lecture`` at the madrassa — the ``University for the Education of Truth`` — where he graduated in the town of Khattak. ISI is doubtless aware of these activities. But is Mr. Musharraf?
Belatedly, over the Christmas weekend, Mr. Musharraf decided to freeze the accounts of LET and Umma Tamee-e-Nau (UTN), the group the U.S. believes passed nuclear weapons data to Osama bin Laden. The LET chief then resigned. It is to be hoped that a thorough housecleaning of ISI is next on Mr. Musharraf`s must-do list as he returns from a weeklong state visit to China.
Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large of The Washington Times and of United Press International
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20011227-79790204.htm
Arnaud de Borchgrave
Dec. 27, 2001
Washington Times
In an attempt to avoid embarrassing Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, and to pre-empt any Indian campaign to extend the war against terrorism to cover terrorist training camps in Pakistan, the White House announced Dec. 20 it was blocking the assets of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LET) which it described as ``a Kashmiri terrorist organization that has conducted a number of operations against Indian troops and civilian targets in Kashmir since 1993.``
That was once over very lightly. If truth be known, the facts behind LET are identical to Osama bin Laden`s al Qaeda`s organization. The terrorists are interchangeable between both organizations. They were all trained in al Qaeda`s camps and some of bin Laden`s Afghan Arabs have already found refuge among LET`s ranks in Kashmir. The White House`s new formulation calls LET ``a stateless sponsor of terrorism.`` But LET is also Pakistan-based and Pakistan-sanctioned.
LET`s ranks consist of Pakistanis, Afghans, and Arabs led by Pakistani cadres. Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence agency oversees LET`s terrorist operations. Headquartered at Muridke outside Lahore, LET holds annual conclaves that are attended by serving and retired officers of ISI and the regular army, political leaders, and retired scientists of Pakistan`s nuclear establishment. LET`s terrorists are ``freedom fighters`` dedicated to ``the liberation of Indian-occupied Kashmir.`` Its political cover is called Marka-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad (MDI), a fiercely anti-U.S. pseudo-religious, extremist organization.
LET`s last big meeting was held in Muridke April 13-15 and was attended by retired Gen. Hameed Gul, a former head of ISI and currently ``strategic adviser`` to Pakistan`s extremist religious parties; Retired Gen. Javed Nasir, another former ISI director general; Abdul Qadir Khan, the father of Pakistan`s nuclear bomb; Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood, formerly with the Atomic Energy Commission and recently detained at the request of the U.S. for questioning about his meetings with Osama Bin Laden. The conference passed a resolution calling on its ``freedom fighters`` to capture Hindu temples, destroy the idols and hoist the flag of Islam on them.
ISI was tasked with ensuring that no journalists gained access to the meeting. But some did. The News reported on April 22 that LET ``operates six private military training camps in Pakistan and Kashmir where several thousand are given both military and religious education.`` The newspaper also reported that LET runs 2,200 recruiting offices across Pakistan and some two dozen ``launching camps along the Line of Control [LOC] in Kashmir,`` which makes it ``the biggest jihadi [holy warrior] network in Pakistan.``
No militant training center in Pakistan can operate without the consent of the army, now in power, and ISI, a state within a state whose chief reports only to Mr. Musharraf. Yet the government continues to be in a state of deep denial. Presidential spokesman Gen. Rashid Quereshi says, ``No group operating in Kashmir has any base in Pakistan.``
Mr. Musharraf is riding a terrorist tiger and is having trouble dismounting. Last May 18, Najam Sethi, the editor of ``Friday Times,`` an authoritative weekly journal, summed up the president`s dilemma: ``The Musharraf model seeks to covertly ally with the jihadi groups while overtly keeping the mainstream religious parties out of the power loop. This is to enhance and sustain its covert external agenda, while internally maintaining an overtly moderate anti-fundamentalist stance for the comfort of the international community whose economic support is critical to Pakistan`s financial viability.``
The terrorist attack against the Indian Parliament Dec. 13 was almost certainly the work of Jaish-e-Mohammed (Soldiers of the Prophet), another Pakistan-based terrorist organization. This writer found its slogans painted in towns and villages throughout the Pakistani tribal belt last week, to wit: ``Jaish-e-Mohammed and al Qaeda are Bubbling Blood Brothers`` and ``For Commando Training, Contact Jaish-e-Mohammed.`` The motive for the attack was most probably an attempt to disrupt the budding U.S.-Pakistani alliance and isolate Mr. Musharraf.
After ditching Taliban, it becomes increasingly harder for Mr. Musharraf to crack down on those who would Talibanize Pakistan. In fact, he released from detention the No. 1 religious extremist firebrand, Fazrul Rehman.
Mr. Musharraf is now caught between a rock and four hard places — Afghanistan where the anti-Pakistani, pro-Indian Northern Alliance holds the key government positions in the new coalition under Hamid Karzai; a hostile India on the edge of retaliatory action; a disloyal ISI; and a belligerent extremist clergy.
Despite the appointment of a Musharraf loyalist as the new head of ISI when U.S. bombing started last October, the powerful agency has not been responding to the president`s pro-American policies. One regional ISI general even went so far as to rattle tribal chiefs by telling them Pakistan would be next in America`s crosshairs after the defeat of Taliban. The secret organization continues to undermine him at every turn. The country`s principal political leaders are fearful of ISI. They draw the initials with their fingers in the air when the subject comes out lest they be heard by ubiquitous bugs. And they say nothing short of a top-to-bottom reform of ISI, followed by accountability to a yet-to-be-created national security council of civilian and military leaders, will bring the agency back to its proper place in the body politic.
The Taliban infrastructure in Pakistan emerged unscathed from Taliban`s defeat in Afghanistan. While ISI is officially cooperating with the U.S. in hunting down Taliban`s deposed leaders, senior Taliban officials are now resting comfortably in their second homes in Quetta and Peshawar, the two frontier towns where they had parked their families when the bombing started. One has even given an interview to a British newspaper. Another has given a ``religious lecture`` at the madrassa — the ``University for the Education of Truth`` — where he graduated in the town of Khattak. ISI is doubtless aware of these activities. But is Mr. Musharraf?
Belatedly, over the Christmas weekend, Mr. Musharraf decided to freeze the accounts of LET and Umma Tamee-e-Nau (UTN), the group the U.S. believes passed nuclear weapons data to Osama bin Laden. The LET chief then resigned. It is to be hoped that a thorough housecleaning of ISI is next on Mr. Musharraf`s must-do list as he returns from a weeklong state visit to China.
Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large of The Washington Times and of United Press International
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20011227-79790204.htm
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#354 Posted by Trillium on November 16, 2001 12:20:59 pm
Stuka - I`ve usually enjoyed the democratic tone your posts. You`ll get over it, I`m sure.
``Um, did he post a picture somewhere?? How do you guys know this guy is a white guy? Oh right, no one could even IMAGINE the absolute temerity of a black guy to criticize us like this??``
Farzana turns Chowk into a cheap-shot shooting gallery and then whines like hell when it`s time for her own medicine. Her selective little gee-hads are like others around the world: when the attacked start shooting back, it`s ``atrocity`` and ``genocide``. At least she can`t be accused of using smart-bombs.
#353 Posted by jay on November 10, 2001 12:37:59 pm
from toi of today
ISI is treacherous, Bhutto warns West
YDNEY: Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto has cautioned the West against relying on Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the anti-terrorism war, saying it is a ``treacherous`` organisation.
``When I was the prime minister of Pakistan, I found ISI to be a state within a state,`` Bhutto tells Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) TV`s Foreign Correspondent programme that hit out at ISI.
``During my tenure as prime minister, we had instances of ISI officials approaching parliamentarians and asking them to defect from my party and also asking them to vote against me,`` says Bhutto, who is chief of the Pakistan People`s Party (PPP).
Bhutto, who lives in self-imposed exile in London and Dubai, is stated to be in Washington to warn the U.S. about the ``real intentions`` of Pakistan`s premier state intelligence organization.
Pakistan has emerged as a leading ally in the U.S.-led war on terrorism in Afghanistan to flush out terrorist suspect Osama bin Laden.
Her assertion is supported by the findings of the Australian current affairs programme that quoted Pakistan Army sources as saying when President Pervez Musharraf asked ISI bosses to persuade the Taliban to surrender bin Laden, they acted to the contrary.
The ISI officials are believed to have rushed to advise the Taliban on ways to strengthen their defences against the then inevitable American attacks and ``tough out.``
ISI is treacherous, Bhutto warns West
YDNEY: Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto has cautioned the West against relying on Pakistan`s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) in the anti-terrorism war, saying it is a ``treacherous`` organisation.
``When I was the prime minister of Pakistan, I found ISI to be a state within a state,`` Bhutto tells Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) TV`s Foreign Correspondent programme that hit out at ISI.
``During my tenure as prime minister, we had instances of ISI officials approaching parliamentarians and asking them to defect from my party and also asking them to vote against me,`` says Bhutto, who is chief of the Pakistan People`s Party (PPP).
Bhutto, who lives in self-imposed exile in London and Dubai, is stated to be in Washington to warn the U.S. about the ``real intentions`` of Pakistan`s premier state intelligence organization.
Pakistan has emerged as a leading ally in the U.S.-led war on terrorism in Afghanistan to flush out terrorist suspect Osama bin Laden.
Her assertion is supported by the findings of the Australian current affairs programme that quoted Pakistan Army sources as saying when President Pervez Musharraf asked ISI bosses to persuade the Taliban to surrender bin Laden, they acted to the contrary.
The ISI officials are believed to have rushed to advise the Taliban on ways to strengthen their defences against the then inevitable American attacks and ``tough out.``
#352 Posted by scout on November 9, 2001 2:48:47 pm
Suxena #346, ``stop throwing hissy fits, or if you must, stop stalking me from board to board. shoo off.``
whoa! talk about delusions of grandeur. meray hee alfaz meray khilaaf?
nice try beti, better luck next time.
ylh #350,
ok :)
whoa! talk about delusions of grandeur. meray hee alfaz meray khilaaf?
nice try beti, better luck next time.
ylh #350,
ok :)
#351 Posted by soysauce on November 9, 2001 2:48:47 pm
#351 ylh
``That was hilarious.``
Really?
How about these:
(1) Why does a paki kemalist wish there were more hindus and christians?
For target practice.
(2)What is a famous paki kemalist saying?
A hindu a day keeps the mullah at bay.
Funnier, no?
``That was hilarious.``
Really?
How about these:
(1) Why does a paki kemalist wish there were more hindus and christians?
For target practice.
(2)What is a famous paki kemalist saying?
A hindu a day keeps the mullah at bay.
Funnier, no?
#350 Posted by Lajwanti on November 9, 2001 10:56:08 am
Pervez sought `hawk` Advani`s aid to meet Atal in New York?
MANINI CHATTERJEE
NEW DELHI, November 09, 01:33
So keen was President Pervez Musharraf for a meeting with Prime Minister Vajpayee in New York that he even sought the help of Union Home Minister L.K. Advani, to persuade Vajpayee on the issue.
The Pakistan establishment, which has openly accused Advani of being the ``hidden hand`` behind the failure of the Agra Summit, turned to the same ``hawk`` to effect a reconciliation, highly placed sources revealed to TheNewspaperToday.
A few days before Vajpayee left for his three-nation voyage, the Pakistan High Commissioner to India, Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, met home minister Advani and asked him to put in a word in favour of a Vajpayee-Musharraf meeting, sources said. The home minister is learnt to have said that he would convey Pakistan’s request but held out little hope that a meeting would be possible.
The Pakistan High Commissioner’s request to Advani, done on the behest of his leader and government, stems from General Musharraf’s belief that Advani is the real hardliner in the government who has stymied efforts of ``dove`` Vajpayee to mend ties with Pakistan.
At the Agra Summit in July this year, the Pakistan side blamed Advani for changing the final draft declaration and including the ``cross-border terrorism`` clause. Later, addressing a press conference in Islamabad, General Musharraf made the same charge and made no secret of the fact that the so-called ``hidden hand`` belonged to India’s Home Minister.
The Pakistanis, sources said, believe that only if Advani gives the red signal for talks can a high-level dialogue between the two countries resume. The Pakistanis are not entirely incorrect in this assessment because it was at Advani’s initiative that General Musharraf was invited to India last May.
The sudden decision to invite Musharraf for talks (announced alongside the decision to withdraw cease-fire in Jammu & Kashmir on May 23) was taken at a private luncheon meeting attended by Prime Minister Vajpayee, Home Minister Advani, and External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh.
At that meeting, it was Advani who first made the suggestion of inviting Musharraf to Delhi and this, after some discussion, was accepted by the Prime Minister, sources said.
The Pakistanis were well aware of this sequence of events and therefore turned to Advani this time round. However, following the failure of the Agra Summit and particularly the remarks made by General Musharraf at and after Agra, Prime Minister Vajpayee himself has turned hawkish on the question of India-Pakistan dialogue.
He, like Advani, is now firm that talks should not take place till Pakistan gives up its policy of proxy war, sources added.
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#349 Posted by ylh on November 8, 2001 4:09:08 pm
Ali1
That was hilarious.
But really I dont own Urbanus. It is part of Urbanus group, I am just their account executive for the institute and their web development company Macroactive.
-Yasser
That was hilarious.
But really I dont own Urbanus. It is part of Urbanus group, I am just their account executive for the institute and their web development company Macroactive.
-Yasser
#348 Posted by Gowardhan on November 8, 2001 2:51:52 pm
70000 + 2 killed in Kashmir
http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/08/welcome.htm
Grenade kills woman in Kashmir, wounds child: SRINAGAR, Nov 08:
A woman was killed and five others, including a one-year-old child, were wounded today when Mujahideen threw a grenade in a street in Srinagar, police said. No group has claimed responsibility for the attack. (Reuters) (Posted @ 12:45 PST)
http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/08/welcome.htm
Grenade kills woman in Kashmir, wounds child: SRINAGAR, Nov 08:
A woman was killed and five others, including a one-year-old child, were wounded today when Mujahideen threw a grenade in a street in Srinagar, police said. No group has claimed responsibility for the attack. (Reuters) (Posted @ 12:45 PST)
#347 Posted by ylh on November 8, 2001 2:51:52 pm
Scout
cut me some slack sistah ... Just tryin to make an honest buck.
cut me some slack sistah ... Just tryin to make an honest buck.
#346 Posted by ali1 on November 8, 2001 2:51:52 pm
Reply # 335 ylh
[``URBANUS TECHNICAL INSTITUTE``]
What kind of a name is this? URB-ANUS INSTITUTE? haniji? Are insulting your Arab brethren? Change it to ATALANUS or BAPUANUS or RAMANUS. ok?
[``URBANUS TECHNICAL INSTITUTE``]
What kind of a name is this? URB-ANUS INSTITUTE? haniji? Are insulting your Arab brethren? Change it to ATALANUS or BAPUANUS or RAMANUS. ok?
#345 Posted by Bijli on November 8, 2001 2:51:52 pm
Vietnamese & thais due to poverty & lack of resourceses have PORK in almost all there dietry recipies.The Thai,the Cambodian The Vietnamese,Filipino,Burmese ,
#344 Posted by rsaxena on November 8, 2001 2:51:52 pm
Re: scout #343
stop throwing hissy fits, or if you must, stop stalking me from board to board. shoo off.
stop throwing hissy fits, or if you must, stop stalking me from board to board. shoo off.
#343 Posted by saminashah on November 8, 2001 10:40:35 am
chowkies,
So i just got here...what happened? (sitcom laughter) Does this mean that ylh and Sadna have reached a detente?
A party at the Edison Dunkin Donuts? Is that the one by the mom and pop Thai restaurant? Btw, that Thai place serves the best chutputta kanna I have eaten. If you guys haven`t been, do go.
The last time I went to this Thai place on Raritan Ave, my brother and mother were with me. We went in to the restaurant to survey the usual scene; lots of Desis, Asians and Americans eating slowly and very quietly. Americans mainly asking for water. We have a delish and spicy meal. My brother goes up to pay the bill. The owner, an elderly nani type is working the cash register. She asks my brother, ``How was the food?``
He responds,``It was wonderful. Really spicy.``
She says,`` Ooohh you Indians. You say `Make it spicy!` We make it spicy and then you cry...you cry...``
I`ll be back next month.
regards
So i just got here...what happened? (sitcom laughter) Does this mean that ylh and Sadna have reached a detente?
A party at the Edison Dunkin Donuts? Is that the one by the mom and pop Thai restaurant? Btw, that Thai place serves the best chutputta kanna I have eaten. If you guys haven`t been, do go.
The last time I went to this Thai place on Raritan Ave, my brother and mother were with me. We went in to the restaurant to survey the usual scene; lots of Desis, Asians and Americans eating slowly and very quietly. Americans mainly asking for water. We have a delish and spicy meal. My brother goes up to pay the bill. The owner, an elderly nani type is working the cash register. She asks my brother, ``How was the food?``
He responds,``It was wonderful. Really spicy.``
She says,`` Ooohh you Indians. You say `Make it spicy!` We make it spicy and then you cry...you cry...``
I`ll be back next month.
regards
#342 Posted by scout on November 8, 2001 1:48:51 am
ylh #335,
was that personal business advertisement necessary on Chowk? there are classified ads in newspapers for that.
tum kab baray hogay?
was that personal business advertisement necessary on Chowk? there are classified ads in newspapers for that.
tum kab baray hogay?
#341 Posted by scout on November 7, 2001 8:01:29 pm
Suxena #339,
Listen numbskull, you`re the one who started this Bellvue bakwaas. Why don`t you give yourself a slap in the face before bugging me.
God you`re an annoying moron.
Listen numbskull, you`re the one who started this Bellvue bakwaas. Why don`t you give yourself a slap in the face before bugging me.
God you`re an annoying moron.
#340 Posted by rsaxena on November 7, 2001 11:53:48 am
Re: Stuka
``You are one evil genius;) Is B_M coming back to the east coast anytime soon?``
I don`t know what you are insinuating, but I`m just a bystander here who happens to keep in touch with b_m. ahem.
``You are one evil genius;) Is B_M coming back to the east coast anytime soon?``
I don`t know what you are insinuating, but I`m just a bystander here who happens to keep in touch with b_m. ahem.
#339 Posted by stuka on November 7, 2001 10:28:46 am
RSAXENA:
You are one evil genius;) Is B_M coming back to the east coast anytime soon?
You are one evil genius;) Is B_M coming back to the east coast anytime soon?
#338 Posted by rsaxena on November 7, 2001 12:07:36 am
RE: ylh
``laugh as long as you find my statement funny, and then when reality starts hitting home, start crying... :)``
you`re a real tube light
``laugh as long as you find my statement funny, and then when reality starts hitting home, start crying... :)``
you`re a real tube light
#337 Posted by rsaxena on November 7, 2001 12:07:36 am
Re: macchar
``sure, aur tum Niagra Falls say kood jao hamesha kay liye.``
dear, bellvue foran chali jao...yeh bakwaas pardh ke lagta hai ke tumhari haalat aur kharaab ho rahi hai...
``sure, aur tum Niagra Falls say kood jao hamesha kay liye.``
dear, bellvue foran chali jao...yeh bakwaas pardh ke lagta hai ke tumhari haalat aur kharaab ho rahi hai...
#336 Posted by scout on November 6, 2001 7:54:23 pm
Raveena #331, ``glad you appreciate it...now follow my advice and Bellvue hospital me bharti ho jao do mehne ke liye``
sure, aur tum Niagra Falls say kood jao hamesha kay liye.
sure, aur tum Niagra Falls say kood jao hamesha kay liye.
#335 Posted by scout on November 6, 2001 7:54:23 pm
Zafar #308,
come on, stop thinking for once, see how good it feels, you`ll never go back to thinking again. guaranteed.
Subroto #329,
that was pretty damn funny :)
come on, stop thinking for once, see how good it feels, you`ll never go back to thinking again. guaranteed.
Subroto #329,
that was pretty damn funny :)
#334 Posted by ylh on November 6, 2001 6:09:51 pm
rsaxena,
laugh as long as you find my statement funny, and then when reality starts hitting home, start crying... :)
Sincerely
YLH
laugh as long as you find my statement funny, and then when reality starts hitting home, start crying... :)
Sincerely
YLH
#333 Posted by ylh on November 6, 2001 2:38:43 pm
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#331 Posted by stuka on November 6, 2001 2:38:43 pm
Subroto:
LOL, DUDE this was hilarious, been a while since I was laughing so hard on a Monday morning.
LOL, DUDE this was hilarious, been a while since I was laughing so hard on a Monday morning.
#330 Posted by rsaxena on November 6, 2001 2:38:43 pm
Re: ylh
``That you actually keep in touch with a person like Bhartiya Musalman is indicative of your mental calibre, saxena babu.``
oh my..i don`t know whether to laugh or cry...
``That you actually keep in touch with a person like Bhartiya Musalman is indicative of your mental calibre, saxena babu.``
oh my..i don`t know whether to laugh or cry...
#329 Posted by rsaxena on November 6, 2001 2:38:43 pm
Re: scout
``How sweet of you to ask about my health.
I know you can`t help worrying about me, but please try not to. I am feeling better now.``
glad you appreciate it...now follow my advice and Bellvue hospital me bharti ho jao do mehne ke liye
``How sweet of you to ask about my health.
I know you can`t help worrying about me, but please try not to. I am feeling better now.``
glad you appreciate it...now follow my advice and Bellvue hospital me bharti ho jao do mehne ke liye
#328 Posted by sadna on November 6, 2001 10:39:43 am
Subroto : You left out the life-threatening illness and long-lost sibling scenarios (why Bachchan never figured out his close resemblence to Shashi Kapoor ahead of time is a real mystery to me)
I know, I know. Masala Hindi picture ke bajaaye kya mila `` Purv ghoshit karyakram hum nahi dikhaa pa rahe hain`` I deeply regret all that wasted popcorn, the esteemed audience may kindly swtich to WWF instead?
#327 Posted by subroto on November 6, 2001 2:45:54 am
RE Scout #306 links to the big fight
- www.chowk.com/saddo_n_yasso_live
I cancelled all my appointments and the cable TV subscription all because I was eagerly awaiting the webcast of the big fight - yeh to dokha hai.
After all that buildup with the dialogues
``... I shall have my vengeance.``
``Tell me the time and place, if you are so serious about getting rid of me.``
``my vengeance will come at a time of my own choosing not yours``
``I plan to bring my brother and a baseball bat(or something similar). You bring your Jersey city friends, your chowk associates are all eunuchs ``
``Chilla. Aur chilla. Tumhari awaz kiseeko bhee sunayi nahin degi. Ab tumhe Bhagwaan bhi bachaa nahin sakta. ``
``Kuttay, kameenay. Main tumhe jaan se maar daloongi. ``
``Tum jaise gandi naali ke keede.... ``
``khabardaar joe mujhay haat bhee lagaya ``
OK maybe the last four weren`t there, but that was the general tone. Yeh picture to flop nikal gayi!
Or maybe this is just the interval, all those shrill pitched interchanges seem to getting changed - do we get to see ylh and sadhna cooing ``hahn yehi pyar hai``.
(NOTE to ylh and sadhna : Is khichai ka bura nahi manna doston.)
Phir to yeh sare dialogues change ho jayengay, phor exzhample
``Hatoe naa, log kiya kahengay``
``Aaj mein bahut khush hoon``
``Main tumharay bina mar jaa-oongi.``
Aur phir - ``Main tumhare bacche ki maan banne waali hun``
The impact on the family -``Kya issi din ke liye tujhe paal pos ke bada kiya tha? Nikalja mere ghar se. Tum mere liye mar chuke ho. ``
and ``Thairo! Yeh shaadi nahin ho sakti !``
But life will go on - ``Aaj Pinky ka janam din hai``
aur problem bhi ayengay -``arre isse to tez bukhar hai``
emotion bhi hai - ``Tum mujhe galat samajh rahi ho....kash mein sachchai bata sakta``
Vill vile villians & vamps be far behind (if ylh is our hero then this must be rsax..)
``Ab tumhari maa hamare kabze mein hai. Batao heeray kahan chhupaye tunay..``
and where was the vamp
``Mera nam hai shabnam, pyar se log mujhe SHABBO kehate hai. Tumhara naam kya hai!``
But herolal has to triumph in the end
``Chun Chun ke maaroonga, ek-ek ko chun chun ke maroonga ``
but before the deed ``Rukjao! kanoon ko apne haath mein mat lo``
jate jate FBI to ylh ``Pulis ko tum jaise naujawanon par naaz hai.``
THE END
and as for me, its back to the salt mines....
- www.chowk.com/saddo_n_yasso_live
I cancelled all my appointments and the cable TV subscription all because I was eagerly awaiting the webcast of the big fight - yeh to dokha hai.
After all that buildup with the dialogues
``... I shall have my vengeance.``
``Tell me the time and place, if you are so serious about getting rid of me.``
``my vengeance will come at a time of my own choosing not yours``
``I plan to bring my brother and a baseball bat(or something similar). You bring your Jersey city friends, your chowk associates are all eunuchs ``
``Chilla. Aur chilla. Tumhari awaz kiseeko bhee sunayi nahin degi. Ab tumhe Bhagwaan bhi bachaa nahin sakta. ``
``Kuttay, kameenay. Main tumhe jaan se maar daloongi. ``
``Tum jaise gandi naali ke keede.... ``
``khabardaar joe mujhay haat bhee lagaya ``
OK maybe the last four weren`t there, but that was the general tone. Yeh picture to flop nikal gayi!
Or maybe this is just the interval, all those shrill pitched interchanges seem to getting changed - do we get to see ylh and sadhna cooing ``hahn yehi pyar hai``.
(NOTE to ylh and sadhna : Is khichai ka bura nahi manna doston.)
Phir to yeh sare dialogues change ho jayengay, phor exzhample
``Hatoe naa, log kiya kahengay``
``Aaj mein bahut khush hoon``
``Main tumharay bina mar jaa-oongi.``
Aur phir - ``Main tumhare bacche ki maan banne waali hun``
The impact on the family -``Kya issi din ke liye tujhe paal pos ke bada kiya tha? Nikalja mere ghar se. Tum mere liye mar chuke ho. ``
and ``Thairo! Yeh shaadi nahin ho sakti !``
But life will go on - ``Aaj Pinky ka janam din hai``
aur problem bhi ayengay -``arre isse to tez bukhar hai``
emotion bhi hai - ``Tum mujhe galat samajh rahi ho....kash mein sachchai bata sakta``
Vill vile villians & vamps be far behind (if ylh is our hero then this must be rsax..)
``Ab tumhari maa hamare kabze mein hai. Batao heeray kahan chhupaye tunay..``
and where was the vamp
``Mera nam hai shabnam, pyar se log mujhe SHABBO kehate hai. Tumhara naam kya hai!``
But herolal has to triumph in the end
``Chun Chun ke maaroonga, ek-ek ko chun chun ke maroonga ``
but before the deed ``Rukjao! kanoon ko apne haath mein mat lo``
jate jate FBI to ylh ``Pulis ko tum jaise naujawanon par naaz hai.``
THE END
and as for me, its back to the salt mines....
#326 Posted by ZafarA on November 6, 2001 2:45:54 am
Reply Scout # 327
``You think too much. And as far as I`m concerned, I`ve been doing too much thinking during the day to even bother thinking about what I write on Chowk, or what others write. So, in a nutshell, I refuse to think about what you were thinking when you wrote that post, and what you think I should think about your query at the end...So let`s quit thinking while we`re ahead.``
No no no no no no no!
I claim the right to think, on demand and without apology.
Zafar
PS Ha! I THOUGHT so.
``You think too much. And as far as I`m concerned, I`ve been doing too much thinking during the day to even bother thinking about what I write on Chowk, or what others write. So, in a nutshell, I refuse to think about what you were thinking when you wrote that post, and what you think I should think about your query at the end...So let`s quit thinking while we`re ahead.``
No no no no no no no!
I claim the right to think, on demand and without apology.
Zafar
PS Ha! I THOUGHT so.
#325 Posted by scout on November 5, 2001 8:44:50 pm
Zafar #308,
You think too much. And as far as I`m concerned, I`ve been doing too much thinking during the day to even bother thinking about what I write on Chowk, or what others write. So, in a nutshell, I refuse to think about what you were thinking when you wrote that post, and what you think I should think about your query at the end.
So let`s quit thinking while we`re ahead.
I hope Chowk editors think wisely and not post this interact.
You think too much. And as far as I`m concerned, I`ve been doing too much thinking during the day to even bother thinking about what I write on Chowk, or what others write. So, in a nutshell, I refuse to think about what you were thinking when you wrote that post, and what you think I should think about your query at the end.
So let`s quit thinking while we`re ahead.
I hope Chowk editors think wisely and not post this interact.
#324 Posted by scout on November 5, 2001 8:44:50 pm
Stuka #320,
Yeah man, can`t tell you how disappointed I am.
I hate it when people make up. What`s the fun in that?
Suxena #313,
How sweet of you to ask about my health.
I know you can`t help worrying about me, but please try not to. I am feeling better now.
It was the sugar high from the Halloween candy I stole from my cousins. It`s almost all gone.
Yeah man, can`t tell you how disappointed I am.
I hate it when people make up. What`s the fun in that?
Suxena #313,
How sweet of you to ask about my health.
I know you can`t help worrying about me, but please try not to. I am feeling better now.
It was the sugar high from the Halloween candy I stole from my cousins. It`s almost all gone.
#323 Posted by ylh on November 5, 2001 7:24:43 pm
That you actually keep in touch with a person like Bhartiya Musalman is indicative of your mental calibre, saxena babu.
#322 Posted by Sadhna on November 5, 2001 7:24:43 pm
Reply #: 322
soysauce
#309 Zafar
Hi Zafar, something totally unrelated.
In her most recent rant Varsha Bhosle writes
Soysauce,Sweetie;)
I also heard that Varsha -Varsey (i.e.FARZANA)are bossom buddy too.While you are at it could you PLZ.confirm that too.Its very important
soysauce
#309 Zafar
Hi Zafar, something totally unrelated.
In her most recent rant Varsha Bhosle writes
Soysauce,Sweetie;)
I also heard that Varsha -Varsey (i.e.FARZANA)are bossom buddy too.While you are at it could you PLZ.confirm that too.Its very important
#321 Posted by soysauce on November 5, 2001 5:41:00 pm
#309 Zafar
Hi Zafar, something totally unrelated.
In her most recent rant Varsha Bhosle writes,
``The question that vexes most of us is, do all Muslims support Khilafat...? Naaah, bull. For instance, Aamir Khan, who backed Sarfarosh so solidly, can`t possibly be an Islamist; and I can`t even imagine Dr Abdul Kalam getting into a fit over ``our Pakistani brothers``. I know too many Muslims who are Indians first and foremost. Too, the Islamic Council of Australia has just declared: ``We don`t take any orders from overseas calling us to war, it`s just not acceptable anyone here would even think about having anything called a holy war in Australia.`` (Zafar, now I know why we are friends :-).) Nonetheless, at least in India, I do believe that the live-and-let-live kind of Muslims are a minuscule minority. The rest are the reason why Malegaon is still burning.``
Could this Zafar be you? If you do know Ms Bhosle personally perhaps you could persuade her to submit some of her rants here so they could be taken apart.
Hi Zafar, something totally unrelated.
In her most recent rant Varsha Bhosle writes,
``The question that vexes most of us is, do all Muslims support Khilafat...? Naaah, bull. For instance, Aamir Khan, who backed Sarfarosh so solidly, can`t possibly be an Islamist; and I can`t even imagine Dr Abdul Kalam getting into a fit over ``our Pakistani brothers``. I know too many Muslims who are Indians first and foremost. Too, the Islamic Council of Australia has just declared: ``We don`t take any orders from overseas calling us to war, it`s just not acceptable anyone here would even think about having anything called a holy war in Australia.`` (Zafar, now I know why we are friends :-).) Nonetheless, at least in India, I do believe that the live-and-let-live kind of Muslims are a minuscule minority. The rest are the reason why Malegaon is still burning.``
Could this Zafar be you? If you do know Ms Bhosle personally perhaps you could persuade her to submit some of her rants here so they could be taken apart.
#320 Posted by rsaxena on November 5, 2001 5:40:49 pm
Dear all
bharatiya_musalman sends his best regards to all of you....he hopes to be gracing chowk with his presence in the near future
bharatiya_musalman sends his best regards to all of you....he hopes to be gracing chowk with his presence in the near future
#319 Posted by soysauce on November 5, 2001 5:40:49 pm
#309 Zafar
Hi Zafar, something totally unrelated.
In her most recent rant Varsha Bhosle writes,
``The question that vexes most of us is, do all Muslims support Khilafat...? Naaah, bull. For instance, Aamir Khan, who backed Sarfarosh so solidly, can`t possibly be an Islamist; and I can`t even imagine Dr Abdul Kalam getting into a fit over ``our Pakistani brothers``. I know too many Muslims who are Indians first and foremost. Too, the Islamic Council of Australia has just declared: ``We don`t take any orders from overseas calling us to war, it`s just not acceptable anyone here would even think about having anything called a holy war in Australia.`` (Zafar, now I know why we are friends :-).) Nonetheless, at least in India, I do believe that the live-and-let-live kind of Muslims are a minuscule minority. The rest are the reason why Malegaon is still burning.``
Could this Zafar be you? If you do know Ms Bhosle personally perhaps you could persuade her to submit some of her rants here so they could be taken apart.
Hi Zafar, something totally unrelated.
In her most recent rant Varsha Bhosle writes,
``The question that vexes most of us is, do all Muslims support Khilafat...? Naaah, bull. For instance, Aamir Khan, who backed Sarfarosh so solidly, can`t possibly be an Islamist; and I can`t even imagine Dr Abdul Kalam getting into a fit over ``our Pakistani brothers``. I know too many Muslims who are Indians first and foremost. Too, the Islamic Council of Australia has just declared: ``We don`t take any orders from overseas calling us to war, it`s just not acceptable anyone here would even think about having anything called a holy war in Australia.`` (Zafar, now I know why we are friends :-).) Nonetheless, at least in India, I do believe that the live-and-let-live kind of Muslims are a minuscule minority. The rest are the reason why Malegaon is still burning.``
Could this Zafar be you? If you do know Ms Bhosle personally perhaps you could persuade her to submit some of her rants here so they could be taken apart.
#318 Posted by stuka on November 5, 2001 5:16:13 pm
Looks like the Kabaddi match between YLH and Sadna is cancelled coz they have made up :(
Scout, what about your ticket sales, and TV distribution rights?
Scout, what about your ticket sales, and TV distribution rights?
#316 Posted by ylh on November 5, 2001 4:02:14 pm
`ylh is indeed free to have a whole zoo, but threatening and abusing me personally under cover of anonymity`
With all due respect Sadna, My threats were not under the cover of anonymity. Everyone on Chowk knows which town I live in, what my name is, which company I work in etc etc.
With all due respect Sadna, My threats were not under the cover of anonymity. Everyone on Chowk knows which town I live in, what my name is, which company I work in etc etc.
#315 Posted by ylh on November 5, 2001 3:13:45 pm
`Worked with FBI ? You mean you snitched on the
muslim bros.`
Yup and I am proud of it.
muslim bros.`
Yup and I am proud of it.
#313 Posted by sadna on November 5, 2001 2:40:13 pm
scout #310
ylh is indeed free to have a whole zoo, but threatening and abusing me personally under cover of anonymity and having legal kittens is a poor substitute for `defence of Pakistan` of which I certainly think I have right of reply. Irony being, none of my posts on this board merits such a reaction, but I understand an honest assessment or acknowledgement of this is too much of a strain for anyone in question.
ylh #311 #312
Firstly, if people write articles, Indians and others are likely to read them, they are not the crown jewels. In my case, I also heard a Pakistani speak on the subject. I was trying to give Gowardhan the Indian side of the picture too for perspective. These are things which need public airing so we can tackle them. Its a subject which you cannot blame anyone for talking about on chowk, thats the purpose of the talks and articles.
But I am glad to hear your personal opinion of the whole issue. As I said before we are often fighting the same demons and more power to those who do.
btw, check your mailbox now.
ylh is indeed free to have a whole zoo, but threatening and abusing me personally under cover of anonymity and having legal kittens is a poor substitute for `defence of Pakistan` of which I certainly think I have right of reply. Irony being, none of my posts on this board merits such a reaction, but I understand an honest assessment or acknowledgement of this is too much of a strain for anyone in question.
ylh #311 #312
Firstly, if people write articles, Indians and others are likely to read them, they are not the crown jewels. In my case, I also heard a Pakistani speak on the subject. I was trying to give Gowardhan the Indian side of the picture too for perspective. These are things which need public airing so we can tackle them. Its a subject which you cannot blame anyone for talking about on chowk, thats the purpose of the talks and articles.
But I am glad to hear your personal opinion of the whole issue. As I said before we are often fighting the same demons and more power to those who do.
btw, check your mailbox now.
#311 Posted by ylh on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
Despite my repeated urging through out the weekend, Sadna the tough talking cat woman didnot muster up the courage to email me ...
#310 Posted by ylh on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
Sadna:
`You ARE scared. OK, I will try to leave him at home`
OOOOh nice to see all of your countrymen suffer from the `Saddam Hussain syndrome`. Ask Rsaxena what that means.
`And whats with this list? All these so-called people havenot stepped forward to help you out`
And who said they stepped forward to help me out. I think self sufficient people dont need `help`. Isnt it ironic that you have the classic `phudda` mentality ... oh my brothers got my back... oh these people dont have your back. Will you give up your childish whining woman?
The people on the list are the ones that have become monsters of suspicion in your naive little mind. Each one of them you have accused of being `cowardly eunuches`.
`you to make yourself ridiculous by having so many dozen kittens at the very mention of things like educational policy in India and Pakistan`
Once again you have a fertile imagination. I on the other hand stand by everyword of what KH Nayyar and Pervez Hoodbhoy have to say about the Pakistani educational system and its sad consequences.
My problem is with bigots like you and gowardhan, who get on the net and search google with `Evil corrupt Pakistan` to prove your point, while neglecting the people of your own country who are much worse off.
-YLH
`You ARE scared. OK, I will try to leave him at home`
OOOOh nice to see all of your countrymen suffer from the `Saddam Hussain syndrome`. Ask Rsaxena what that means.
`And whats with this list? All these so-called people havenot stepped forward to help you out`
And who said they stepped forward to help me out. I think self sufficient people dont need `help`. Isnt it ironic that you have the classic `phudda` mentality ... oh my brothers got my back... oh these people dont have your back. Will you give up your childish whining woman?
The people on the list are the ones that have become monsters of suspicion in your naive little mind. Each one of them you have accused of being `cowardly eunuches`.
`you to make yourself ridiculous by having so many dozen kittens at the very mention of things like educational policy in India and Pakistan`
Once again you have a fertile imagination. I on the other hand stand by everyword of what KH Nayyar and Pervez Hoodbhoy have to say about the Pakistani educational system and its sad consequences.
My problem is with bigots like you and gowardhan, who get on the net and search google with `Evil corrupt Pakistan` to prove your point, while neglecting the people of your own country who are much worse off.
-YLH
#309 Posted by scout on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
sadna,
what`s ur beef with having kittens?
ylh can have as many kittens as he wants to!
don`t forget you have kittens too, everytime you see the world Pakistan.
what`s ur beef with having kittens?
ylh can have as many kittens as he wants to!
don`t forget you have kittens too, everytime you see the world Pakistan.
#308 Posted by ZafarA on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
Reply YLH # 272
“It is ironic that Zafar comes to the aid of Sadna because she is a woman…”
I wasn’t coming to Sadna’s aid but to yours, o discerning one.
:-)
Zafar
“It is ironic that Zafar comes to the aid of Sadna because she is a woman…”
I wasn’t coming to Sadna’s aid but to yours, o discerning one.
:-)
Zafar
#307 Posted by ZafarA on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
Reply Scout # 296
“…just for the record, i`m observing your friendly tete`a`tete with my arch enemy, and i`d just like to say that...”
This is how I see it:
The stage darkens, suddenly there is a spotlight on a woman with a guitar stage left.
She gets up, saunters over to her supporting band (just in front of the blue cyc) and throws a couple of them into the audience after ripping their arms off, just to get things going.
Turns to the front of the stage and starts singing….
“It’s a thin liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine…”
Or did it happen differently?
“…just for the record, i`m observing your friendly tete`a`tete with my arch enemy, and i`d just like to say that...”
This is how I see it:
The stage darkens, suddenly there is a spotlight on a woman with a guitar stage left.
She gets up, saunters over to her supporting band (just in front of the blue cyc) and throws a couple of them into the audience after ripping their arms off, just to get things going.
Turns to the front of the stage and starts singing….
“It’s a thin liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine…”
Or did it happen differently?
#306 Posted by Banjaara on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
Ylh # 299
``... I have worked very closely with the FBI and the law enforcement agencies to control the growing menace of Islamic fundamentalism particularly at Rutgers University`s Islamic society.``
Worked with FBI ? You mean you snitched on the
muslim bros.
Regards.
``... I have worked very closely with the FBI and the law enforcement agencies to control the growing menace of Islamic fundamentalism particularly at Rutgers University`s Islamic society.``
Worked with FBI ? You mean you snitched on the
muslim bros.
Regards.
#305 Posted by scout on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
For the people interested in attending Sadna and YLH`s famed meeting:
It`s all set for this coming Sunday evening at 8pm, at the Dunkin Donuts outside the TV Asia studio in Edison, NJ. No bags allowed due to the heavy security. Fresh chocolate glazed donuts and Dunkacinos will be served.
All proceeds of the event will go towards ylh`s graduate study fund and sadna`s high speed internet connection fund.
And for our friends in India and Pakistan who are unable to attend this event, there will be a live webcast on www.chowk.com/saddo_n_yasso_live.
for more information please contact ylh at pakistanigreybilla@hotmail.com or sadna at sadna@jhumka_gira_ray.com
It`s all set for this coming Sunday evening at 8pm, at the Dunkin Donuts outside the TV Asia studio in Edison, NJ. No bags allowed due to the heavy security. Fresh chocolate glazed donuts and Dunkacinos will be served.
All proceeds of the event will go towards ylh`s graduate study fund and sadna`s high speed internet connection fund.
And for our friends in India and Pakistan who are unable to attend this event, there will be a live webcast on www.chowk.com/saddo_n_yasso_live.
for more information please contact ylh at pakistanigreybilla@hotmail.com or sadna at sadna@jhumka_gira_ray.com
#304 Posted by scout on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
Ek #301, ``Aaap tau meri dost hain...yeh RSaxena jaye bhaad mein..``
dil khush kar ditta!
raveena, want a tissue?
dil khush kar ditta!
raveena, want a tissue?
#303 Posted by Trillium on November 5, 2001 1:18:32 pm
...can`t imagine why they call them FEUDALS..
#302 Posted by sadna on November 5, 2001 12:11:44 am
ylh #299
You ARE scared. OK, I will try to leave him at home. And whats with this list? All these so-called people havenot stepped forward to help you out, they have left you to make yourself ridiculous by having so many dozen kittens at the very mention of things like educational policy in India and Pakistan.
You ARE scared. OK, I will try to leave him at home. And whats with this list? All these so-called people havenot stepped forward to help you out, they have left you to make yourself ridiculous by having so many dozen kittens at the very mention of things like educational policy in India and Pakistan.
#301 Posted by rsaxena on November 4, 2001 7:50:33 pm
Re: Eklayva
``Aaap tau meri dost hain...yeh RSaxena jaye bhaad mein..``
hmmm. btw, have you noticed how some people try so so hard to get themselves into conversations they have nothing to do with? and they are easily excitable.
``Aaap tau meri dost hain...yeh RSaxena jaye bhaad mein..``
hmmm. btw, have you noticed how some people try so so hard to get themselves into conversations they have nothing to do with? and they are easily excitable.
#300 Posted by Eklavya on November 4, 2001 7:01:55 pm
Scout!
Aaap tau meri dost hain...yeh RSaxena jaye bhaad mein..
Sax, dude, I have got my priorities straight! :)
Arrested Development,
If a man has got the right chisel, he can mould a square into something round and pretty, and vice versa. I keep my chisel sharp.
Aaap tau meri dost hain...yeh RSaxena jaye bhaad mein..
Sax, dude, I have got my priorities straight! :)
Arrested Development,
If a man has got the right chisel, he can mould a square into something round and pretty, and vice versa. I keep my chisel sharp.
#299 Posted by Eklavya on November 4, 2001 7:01:55 pm
RSaxena,
The word ``seek`` gave you the wrong impression. I have got her exactly where I want her to be. I let her forage but she knows as clearly as the sun shines bright in summertime, there is no escape route for her. If I write openly more about myself, the good and decent people on Chowk will be shocked, so I seal my lips for now.
EK
The word ``seek`` gave you the wrong impression. I have got her exactly where I want her to be. I let her forage but she knows as clearly as the sun shines bright in summertime, there is no escape route for her. If I write openly more about myself, the good and decent people on Chowk will be shocked, so I seal my lips for now.
EK
#298 Posted by ylh on November 4, 2001 7:01:55 pm
Sadna, Sadna, Sadna,
OOOOOOh I am sooooooo scared of your brother... ooooooooooh. By the way I still didnt get your email.
As for your `jersey city` friends... ironic isnt it that you are trying to clump me together with Jersey city scum... Ironically I hate the Jersey City scum as much as you do. In fact they tried to jump me twice in my stay at Rutgers...
I see your game now... You will now try to make this `civilization vs terrorism` issue, and inform the FBI of Pakistani Islamic fundamentalists coming to kill you. Ironically you have chosen the wrong person to target... I have worked very closely with the FBI and the law enforcement agencies to control the growing menace of Islamic fundamentalism particularly at Rutgers University`s Islamic society. So please do contact the FBI... please.
In any event, I gave you a chance to contact me and meet me, but you obviously didnot find the gutts to contact me... now unlike you, I have work to do during the week, and I`d rather not be bothered. So please dont bother... You are not worth my time. As for my being a `coward` .. fine. Thankyou very much for the compliment.
But seriously people I think Sadna is one of those menaces which have a problem with everyone much like her counterparts in the Muslim World Bin Laden etc. She so far as shown that she has a phudda with the following people on chowk:
1) YLH
2) Rsaxena
3) Shammi
4) Shankar
5) tahmed321
6) Scout
7) Sarwari
8) temporal
9) Ferozek
10)Fuzair
With the possible exception of rsaxena, I would classify all the rest as freedom loving educated people..
Now let us examine two Sadna`s best friends on Chowk:
1) Gowardhan
2) Jay
I rest my case.
-YLH
OOOOOOh I am sooooooo scared of your brother... ooooooooooh. By the way I still didnt get your email.
As for your `jersey city` friends... ironic isnt it that you are trying to clump me together with Jersey city scum... Ironically I hate the Jersey City scum as much as you do. In fact they tried to jump me twice in my stay at Rutgers...
I see your game now... You will now try to make this `civilization vs terrorism` issue, and inform the FBI of Pakistani Islamic fundamentalists coming to kill you. Ironically you have chosen the wrong person to target... I have worked very closely with the FBI and the law enforcement agencies to control the growing menace of Islamic fundamentalism particularly at Rutgers University`s Islamic society. So please do contact the FBI... please.
In any event, I gave you a chance to contact me and meet me, but you obviously didnot find the gutts to contact me... now unlike you, I have work to do during the week, and I`d rather not be bothered. So please dont bother... You are not worth my time. As for my being a `coward` .. fine. Thankyou very much for the compliment.
But seriously people I think Sadna is one of those menaces which have a problem with everyone much like her counterparts in the Muslim World Bin Laden etc. She so far as shown that she has a phudda with the following people on chowk:
1) YLH
2) Rsaxena
3) Shammi
4) Shankar
5) tahmed321
6) Scout
7) Sarwari
8) temporal
9) Ferozek
10)Fuzair
With the possible exception of rsaxena, I would classify all the rest as freedom loving educated people..
Now let us examine two Sadna`s best friends on Chowk:
1) Gowardhan
2) Jay
I rest my case.
-YLH
#297 Posted by sadna on November 4, 2001 2:47:58 pm
scout #295
`` by the way, what`s ur beef against eunuchs?``
None at all. I mentally apologized to the world of eunuchs each time I brought them up here(and donot plan to do so anymore).
``they`re probably more man than most of the men here.``
You bet.
`` by the way, what`s ur beef against eunuchs?``
None at all. I mentally apologized to the world of eunuchs each time I brought them up here(and donot plan to do so anymore).
``they`re probably more man than most of the men here.``
You bet.
#296 Posted by Arrested Develo on November 4, 2001 2:17:57 pm
````ylh
I like Desouza...
he is a republican and he is proud of it...````
Dear YLH -- don`t drool.
Desouza is just another republican Gunga Deen -- an Indian uncle tom.
I like Desouza...
he is a republican and he is proud of it...````
Dear YLH -- don`t drool.
Desouza is just another republican Gunga Deen -- an Indian uncle tom.
#295 Posted by scout on November 4, 2001 2:17:57 pm
Eklavya,
just for the record, i`m observing your friendly tete`a`tete with my arch enemy, and i`d just like to say that...
ya to woh tumhari dost rahay gi ya main....
just for the record, i`m observing your friendly tete`a`tete with my arch enemy, and i`d just like to say that...
ya to woh tumhari dost rahay gi ya main....
#294 Posted by scout on November 4, 2001 2:17:57 pm
sadna,
between you and Zahra, these men are trembling in their shoes.
by the way, what`s ur beef against eunuchs?
they`re probably more man than most of the men here.
ps:
leave your brother and bat at home, i think ylh can do down with a wave of a pretty pinky.
tahmed321,
no no, don`t get me wrong. no matchmaking here.
for all i know, sadna might be a married aunty and ylh a pre-pubescent teen.
i just think it would be ultra cool to see sadna and ylh fighting in person. don`t you?
between you and Zahra, these men are trembling in their shoes.
by the way, what`s ur beef against eunuchs?
they`re probably more man than most of the men here.
ps:
leave your brother and bat at home, i think ylh can do down with a wave of a pretty pinky.
tahmed321,
no no, don`t get me wrong. no matchmaking here.
for all i know, sadna might be a married aunty and ylh a pre-pubescent teen.
i just think it would be ultra cool to see sadna and ylh fighting in person. don`t you?
#292 Posted by rsaxena on November 4, 2001 10:20:25 am
Re: Eklayva
``But the hotty I seek now is not only hotter than fire, she also comes with a user`s manual that displays a warning in bold letters, ``NO ALCOHOL!````
...don`t seek, let her come to you...and when she does, tell her not to be square...
``But the hotty I seek now is not only hotter than fire, she also comes with a user`s manual that displays a warning in bold letters, ``NO ALCOHOL!````
...don`t seek, let her come to you...and when she does, tell her not to be square...
#291 Posted by rsaxena on November 4, 2001 10:20:25 am
Re: sadna
``To scared to address a post to me directly, I see. Whats with all these passive-aggressive males around here?``
Dear, you`re not the only one the post was addressed to...there are too many to list, but they all know who they are...
``To scared to address a post to me directly, I see. Whats with all these passive-aggressive males around here?``
Dear, you`re not the only one the post was addressed to...there are too many to list, but they all know who they are...
#289 Posted by sadna on November 4, 2001 2:18:42 am
ylh
You will, don`t worry. I plan to bring my brother and a baseball bat(or something similar). You bring your Jersey city friends, your chowk associates are all eunuchs who cannot say what they say here on a daily basis to my face.
Rsaxena
To scared to address a post to me directly, I see. Whats with all these passive-aggressive males around here?
You will, don`t worry. I plan to bring my brother and a baseball bat(or something similar). You bring your Jersey city friends, your chowk associates are all eunuchs who cannot say what they say here on a daily basis to my face.
Rsaxena
To scared to address a post to me directly, I see. Whats with all these passive-aggressive males around here?
#288 Posted by tahmed321 on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
sadna #279 ``Go ahead call me bigot 5 times a day`` I think I can find something more interesting with my time. And 5 times a day = the number of times we muslims are supposed to pray. Nice touch. I wont get into the rest of your post.
#287 Posted by rsaxena on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
Why are so many Chowkies having trouble distinguishing between reality and an anonymous message board? All the challenges for physical battles, anger attacks, and freaking out is incredible...get a grip or go see a shrink...psychos.
#286 Posted by rsaxena on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
Re: ylh
``It is ironic that Zafar comes to the aid of Sadna because she is a woman, but the constant cursing at Aisha by Rsaxena goes completely unnoticed. Is it Zafar that rules apply only when YLH transgresses them, and that too in your own opinion ? I hope you issue a similar statement condemning Rsaxena, or else I think you are nothing but a hypocrite and in turn a `vulgar` person yourself ... tsk tsk... ``
hehe..freaking out again, eh? btw, can you find me the post(s) where i have done what you claim? and calling her a rat, like she calls others roaches, doesn`t count.
``It is ironic that Zafar comes to the aid of Sadna because she is a woman, but the constant cursing at Aisha by Rsaxena goes completely unnoticed. Is it Zafar that rules apply only when YLH transgresses them, and that too in your own opinion ? I hope you issue a similar statement condemning Rsaxena, or else I think you are nothing but a hypocrite and in turn a `vulgar` person yourself ... tsk tsk... ``
hehe..freaking out again, eh? btw, can you find me the post(s) where i have done what you claim? and calling her a rat, like she calls others roaches, doesn`t count.
#285 Posted by scout on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
sadna and ylh planning to meet in NJ?
whoa!
guys, can i come too? please? i`ll sit in a corner, you won`t even know i`m there.
whoa!
guys, can i come too? please? i`ll sit in a corner, you won`t even know i`m there.
#284 Posted by jay on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
Stuka 278,
I have no problems what so ever with pakistani individuals, i have known several of them, my daughter efter two decades still has a little coat, black velevet, elaborately embroidered with mirror work, brought for her by a pakistani classmate of mine. As a little five year old she wore it every where. Individual experience is an exception to the average, the generic, the institutional. People I met were the elites of pakistan, generalisation based on that will be fatal.
That does not alter the reality of pak freedom struggle. In every country freedom struggle creates an array of idealists, who put the country before their little egoes. It is the responsibility of these people to take the conuntry to the next threshold.
Have you heard of any freedom fighter in pakistan, who held any positions of power, any one who is revered, any one who is given a pension.
It is the absense of this generation, a generation of people who sacrificed something, that is the bane of pakistan. It is patheic to see the ferzoks to YLHs wating for the americans to finish off the funadoos, americans to give the aid. How did the pakistanis loose the spirit of doing something for themselves, because they never had it, they got freedom as free loaders.
Stuka, your generation hasnt seen the khadi clad people, to you they are some dinosoars, to me they were real, those men and women stood for something, we looked up to them, they ewre the generation of my parents.
Pakistan has no one, they have one jinnah, and one speach. That is why there is no hope for pakistan to emerge as a progressive country. Read Pak.com history, it will be an eye opener, and that will show the working of the pak minds, their view of the world.
regards
jay
I have no problems what so ever with pakistani individuals, i have known several of them, my daughter efter two decades still has a little coat, black velevet, elaborately embroidered with mirror work, brought for her by a pakistani classmate of mine. As a little five year old she wore it every where. Individual experience is an exception to the average, the generic, the institutional. People I met were the elites of pakistan, generalisation based on that will be fatal.
That does not alter the reality of pak freedom struggle. In every country freedom struggle creates an array of idealists, who put the country before their little egoes. It is the responsibility of these people to take the conuntry to the next threshold.
Have you heard of any freedom fighter in pakistan, who held any positions of power, any one who is revered, any one who is given a pension.
It is the absense of this generation, a generation of people who sacrificed something, that is the bane of pakistan. It is patheic to see the ferzoks to YLHs wating for the americans to finish off the funadoos, americans to give the aid. How did the pakistanis loose the spirit of doing something for themselves, because they never had it, they got freedom as free loaders.
Stuka, your generation hasnt seen the khadi clad people, to you they are some dinosoars, to me they were real, those men and women stood for something, we looked up to them, they ewre the generation of my parents.
Pakistan has no one, they have one jinnah, and one speach. That is why there is no hope for pakistan to emerge as a progressive country. Read Pak.com history, it will be an eye opener, and that will show the working of the pak minds, their view of the world.
regards
jay
#282 Posted by Eklavya on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
RSaxena # 276
LOL...
Hotties have never been a problem until now. But the hotty I seek now is not only hotter than fire, she also comes with a user`s manual that displays a warning in bold letters, ``NO ALCOHOL!``
LOL...
Hotties have never been a problem until now. But the hotty I seek now is not only hotter than fire, she also comes with a user`s manual that displays a warning in bold letters, ``NO ALCOHOL!``
#281 Posted by ylh on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
`To me you and your associates represent an absolutely cowardly people from an absolutely lost country`
So then leave us to our fate... dont bother us with your nonsense, and your superiority (read inferiority in the closet) complex. Since you have never been to Pakistan, I forgive you for thinking that we are as lost as you chaps in India.
#280 Posted by ylh on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
Isnt it ironic that a person needs to only be harshly critical of Pakistan to earn Gowardhan`s respect, but even the most liberal and enlightened of Indians who criticize India`s policies becomes an Islamic fundamentalist? Tsk Tsk Udaykumar sahib, Islamic fundamentalist bun gaye jinab?
#279 Posted by ylh on November 4, 2001 1:44:18 am
`you have piled on me for talking about Eklavya Science Foundation and Zia Mian. `
You know what this woman, Sadna, is completely bonkers man... I dont know what she is talking about. Listen lady (I doubt that I can give you the honor of calling you that, but hey what the heck)... I agree with everything that article had to say, and I dont dispute a word of what you are saying about the Pakistani educational policy or the problems you are outlining right now.
However, it is your self righteous tone, your obsession with Pakistan, and your constant BSing about Pakistan in subtle ways (like changing `no woman in Dir and Malakand divisions` to `no woman in NWFP).... which makes you the number 1 bigot on my list.
Maybe Stuka remembers it, but he once put up a substantial list of accusations against me, which I then countered one by one convincing him of my sincerity. However when I was doing that, I realized how much that applied to you. You are a dangerous bigot... you seem reasonable at the onset, but then you slip in dangerous nuggets of bigotry.
So whereas normally I would have applauded you for putting up the information you did, I know your intent is not the betterment of Pakistan or even the betterment of relations between Pakistan and India, your intent is simply to malign Pakistan.
Now I firmly believe that it is bigots like you have been the root cause of violence in the Sub continent. You, and your counterparts the Jamaat e Islami wallahs in Pakistan.
#278 Posted by sadna on November 3, 2001 10:39:48 pm
tahmed321 #275
``I am glad that you consider being included in the ``Hate Paki Club`` an abuse. That is progress. ``
Go ahead call me bigot 5 times a day, since what keeps you happy. Let that be your notable contribution to chowk. Pukis remain Pukis and Pukistan remains Pukistan.
ylh #272
You seem to be reading-challenged apart from being psychotic. You are stuck on NWFP inspite of all explanations. Yes I am willing to meet you and make you pay for all the abuse you have piled on me for talking about Eklavya Science Foundation and Zia Mian.
You abuse me for talking of keeping faith. To me you and your associates represent an absolutely cowardly people from an absolutely lost country.
``I am glad that you consider being included in the ``Hate Paki Club`` an abuse. That is progress. ``
Go ahead call me bigot 5 times a day, since what keeps you happy. Let that be your notable contribution to chowk. Pukis remain Pukis and Pukistan remains Pukistan.
ylh #272
You seem to be reading-challenged apart from being psychotic. You are stuck on NWFP inspite of all explanations. Yes I am willing to meet you and make you pay for all the abuse you have piled on me for talking about Eklavya Science Foundation and Zia Mian.
You abuse me for talking of keeping faith. To me you and your associates represent an absolutely cowardly people from an absolutely lost country.
#277 Posted by tahmed321 on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
sadna ``tahmed, you have been setting a great example here for many months abusing me in safe anonymity. ``
I am glad that you consider being included in the ``Hate Paki Club`` an abuse. That is progress.
You stop your name-calling (``Pukistan``) and your stream of cynical and negative remarks about other people`s religion and other people`s country, and I will be glad to not include your name in this list anymore.
I am glad that you consider being included in the ``Hate Paki Club`` an abuse. That is progress.
You stop your name-calling (``Pukistan``) and your stream of cynical and negative remarks about other people`s religion and other people`s country, and I will be glad to not include your name in this list anymore.
#276 Posted by stuka on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
Jay
``A free country with out freedom fighters,a freeloader of freedom, what a bastardised birth of a nation.``
Dude, that is totally uncalled for. You sometimes remind me of those Haramis at the International Trade Fair in New Delhi who were crowding around the Pakistani pavilion passing snide remarks to the poor Pakis who were there just trying to make a buck. Just to spite them, I bought stuff I didn`t even need. I swear, none of those losers would have the balls to fight one on one.
I see you giving hell to these people about honor killings and all. What about the dirt in our backyard?
I wouldn`t even mind if you served up this trash to dehumanized morons like FarangiKush, Bapu/Fatima, UrsTruly etc, but you don`t make any distinction between the good and bad ones.
I will give you an open challenge. You draw up a list of the India hating, fanatical, kill or be killed Pakis on Chowk, and I will match that up with a list of decent Pakis who I`d be proud to call a friend in real life any day. People I might disagree with on matters of politcis, but decent people nevertheless.
I await your response.
Stuka
``A free country with out freedom fighters,a freeloader of freedom, what a bastardised birth of a nation.``
Dude, that is totally uncalled for. You sometimes remind me of those Haramis at the International Trade Fair in New Delhi who were crowding around the Pakistani pavilion passing snide remarks to the poor Pakis who were there just trying to make a buck. Just to spite them, I bought stuff I didn`t even need. I swear, none of those losers would have the balls to fight one on one.
I see you giving hell to these people about honor killings and all. What about the dirt in our backyard?
I wouldn`t even mind if you served up this trash to dehumanized morons like FarangiKush, Bapu/Fatima, UrsTruly etc, but you don`t make any distinction between the good and bad ones.
I will give you an open challenge. You draw up a list of the India hating, fanatical, kill or be killed Pakis on Chowk, and I will match that up with a list of decent Pakis who I`d be proud to call a friend in real life any day. People I might disagree with on matters of politcis, but decent people nevertheless.
I await your response.
Stuka
#275 Posted by stuka on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
semipreciousme:
“Semipreciousme, I will believe when I meet one.”
….well, you obviously haven’t met me yet….: )….
well, the loss is all ours :(
“Semipreciousme, I will believe when I meet one.”
….well, you obviously haven’t met me yet….: )….
well, the loss is all ours :(
#274 Posted by rsaxena on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
Re: Eklayva
``If I continue to meet disappointments in my life, I just might...``
Ah, don`t worry dude...go have a drink, relax, and meet some hotties..you`ll be fine.
``If I continue to meet disappointments in my life, I just might...``
Ah, don`t worry dude...go have a drink, relax, and meet some hotties..you`ll be fine.
#273 Posted by ylh on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
Macgupta:
` I think ylh will be deported
well before 2002. Who will search for his
scattered remnants in the wilderness of Pakistan ? `
I suggest you contact the FBI immediately... that particular agency and myself, we have a long history albiet as friends not enemies, ... so I wont count on my being `deported`.
As for the wilderness of Pakistan, I say Lahore sets the example for civilized cities in the subcontinent... truly deserving of its old title `Paris of Asia.`
-YLH
#272 Posted by ylh on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
Looks like Sadna has finally lost it. The whining child she is, she thinks she is so important, that I will go kill her myself, by your Blood dear idiot I mean the blood of the Hindu Fundamentalists which threaten the existence of Pakistan ... You are not important enough to be killed ... Now I take it that you have called the FBI ... for long the good people of Pakistan have suffered at the hands of Hindu Bigots eg Gowardhan, Sadna, Jay, and Islamic fundamentalists eg Bin Laden, Qazi Husain Ahmed,
Its time we got rid of them all!
-YLH
Its time we got rid of them all!
-YLH
#271 Posted by ylh on November 3, 2001 10:13:57 pm
Gowardhan,
You idiot, How many times have I said that I agree with every single word of the article you have posted (the article by AH Nayyar). But to deny that similar nonsense exists in India is to deny the truth... and you are a living proof of the biases of a National Educational system designed by Hindu fundamentalists.
My assertion was different. You have on numerous occasions said that I am brainwashed by the Islamic fundamentalists of Pakistan when I say that Pakistan should be secular and that Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan. The authors you are mentioning have similar views as me.
By the way your tirade against Udaykumar is ironic. He is held as one of the most enlightened writers within India... not that I agree with most of what he has to say. It just goes to show your ignorance. Udaykumar also a weekly column in the Fridaytimes, and has written over 2 dozen articles for chowk.com.
Macgupta,
Dear arun, now atleast you are no longer posing as the peacenik you used to. You BJP colors are finally in the open. I agree .. a culture of irrationality cannot be eroded. A God-ridden God-obsessed caste Culture like that of India will always remain a Hindu fundamentalist culture, no matter what facade of secularism and democracy that you may put on. You and your response are a clear example of it.
Sadna,
I live in New Jersey. I will be happy to meet you at a location of your choice. My email is pakistanigreywolf@hotmail.com.
However are you retracting your statement of `entire NWFP` and changing it to `women in two districts such as Dir and Malakand were not allowed to vote? If you are, you will restore my confidence, that there is still shame left amongst Indians.
Zafar:
Since when did calling a bigot a bigot become man-woman issue. My dear fellow we are not living in the era of chivalry, but instead in an era of equality. A man is equal to a woman and is not superior. Are you saying that I have some undue advantage over Sadna?
Perhaps your statement best explains the stupid statements that Muslims make while defending jihad
`it is not permissible to kill the weak the women the children etc...` Some of the finest American fighter pilots are women ... so whats this nonsense about man cursing a woman?
It is ironic that Zafar comes to the aid of Sadna because she is a woman, but the constant cursing at Aisha by Rsaxena goes completely unnoticed. Is it Zafar that rules apply only when YLH transgresses them, and that too in your own opinion ? I hope you issue a similar statement condemning Rsaxena, or else I think you are nothing but a hypocrite and in turn a `vulgar` person yourself ... tsk tsk...
Ofcourse, I dont have any such inclination to reprimand Rsaxena, because I have seen Aisha make mince meat out of him in response to his BS.
-YLH
You idiot, How many times have I said that I agree with every single word of the article you have posted (the article by AH Nayyar). But to deny that similar nonsense exists in India is to deny the truth... and you are a living proof of the biases of a National Educational system designed by Hindu fundamentalists.
My assertion was different. You have on numerous occasions said that I am brainwashed by the Islamic fundamentalists of Pakistan when I say that Pakistan should be secular and that Jinnah wanted a secular Pakistan. The authors you are mentioning have similar views as me.
By the way your tirade against Udaykumar is ironic. He is held as one of the most enlightened writers within India... not that I agree with most of what he has to say. It just goes to show your ignorance. Udaykumar also a weekly column in the Fridaytimes, and has written over 2 dozen articles for chowk.com.
Macgupta,
Dear arun, now atleast you are no longer posing as the peacenik you used to. You BJP colors are finally in the open. I agree .. a culture of irrationality cannot be eroded. A God-ridden God-obsessed caste Culture like that of India will always remain a Hindu fundamentalist culture, no matter what facade of secularism and democracy that you may put on. You and your response are a clear example of it.
Sadna,
I live in New Jersey. I will be happy to meet you at a location of your choice. My email is pakistanigreywolf@hotmail.com.
However are you retracting your statement of `entire NWFP` and changing it to `women in two districts such as Dir and Malakand were not allowed to vote? If you are, you will restore my confidence, that there is still shame left amongst Indians.
Zafar:
Since when did calling a bigot a bigot become man-woman issue. My dear fellow we are not living in the era of chivalry, but instead in an era of equality. A man is equal to a woman and is not superior. Are you saying that I have some undue advantage over Sadna?
Perhaps your statement best explains the stupid statements that Muslims make while defending jihad
`it is not permissible to kill the weak the women the children etc...` Some of the finest American fighter pilots are women ... so whats this nonsense about man cursing a woman?
It is ironic that Zafar comes to the aid of Sadna because she is a woman, but the constant cursing at Aisha by Rsaxena goes completely unnoticed. Is it Zafar that rules apply only when YLH transgresses them, and that too in your own opinion ? I hope you issue a similar statement condemning Rsaxena, or else I think you are nothing but a hypocrite and in turn a `vulgar` person yourself ... tsk tsk...
Ofcourse, I dont have any such inclination to reprimand Rsaxena, because I have seen Aisha make mince meat out of him in response to his BS.
-YLH
#270 Posted by Eklavya on November 3, 2001 2:17:16 pm
semiprecious,
If I continue to meet disappointments in my life, I just might...
I have been told by some people who are active in politics that I would make a better leader than many, but you can never trust your friends to be fair, can you? :)
If I continue to meet disappointments in my life, I just might...
I have been told by some people who are active in politics that I would make a better leader than many, but you can never trust your friends to be fair, can you? :)
#269 Posted by sadna on November 3, 2001 1:17:28 pm
Come now, guys, are you eunuchs or what? tahmed, you have been setting a great example here for many months abusing me in safe anonymity. Doesnot the Book tell you to stand up for yourselves? I live in NJ and am willing to meet up with any or all of you cowards to see whose blood is spilled like ylh promises, and I donot pay someone in my temple or village to do it for me.
#268 Posted by tahmed321 on November 3, 2001 9:52:14 am
ylh #247 You have kind words for me, and that is good, we all need that :-)
You quote the Quranic verse on how nations were meant to live with one another. That does not contradict anything I said in my previous post, you will agree I think. You have the right instincts on some basic issues (although I must add that in my view you emphasize personalities over ideas too much, and also old-fashioned nationalism too much, and may want to think about that). While I emphasize the Quran for those individuals who seem to have been misled by the garbage that passes for Islam in Pakistan, I think you are well beyond that stage and dont need to make references to Quranic verses to support your views. Keep the spirit of respect for learning for others and for your own abilities to think logically, and you are in line with the spirit of the Quran, and you dont need to refer to a Quranic verse on every issue.
Hope this does not seem like a sermon.
You quote the Quranic verse on how nations were meant to live with one another. That does not contradict anything I said in my previous post, you will agree I think. You have the right instincts on some basic issues (although I must add that in my view you emphasize personalities over ideas too much, and also old-fashioned nationalism too much, and may want to think about that). While I emphasize the Quran for those individuals who seem to have been misled by the garbage that passes for Islam in Pakistan, I think you are well beyond that stage and dont need to make references to Quranic verses to support your views. Keep the spirit of respect for learning for others and for your own abilities to think logically, and you are in line with the spirit of the Quran, and you dont need to refer to a Quranic verse on every issue.
Hope this does not seem like a sermon.
#267 Posted by Gowardhan on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
There comes the little twerp with new historical arguemnt. Mommy mommy, two of the authors taught me history.
ylh, if you have any shame,
Dispute what what the article said is taught in Paki history books.
Show where similar things are taught in Indian books.
ylh, if you have any shame,
Dispute what what the article said is taught in Paki history books.
Show where similar things are taught in Indian books.
#266 Posted by semipreciousme on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
Eklavya
“I often feel a deep sense of affection toward Pakistan. I truly wish it the very best in every way (except bombing India, of course :)).”
….thou art a very nice man:)….any likelihood of you becoming pm in the foreseeable future?…
Gowardhan
“Semipreciousme, I will believe when I meet one.”
….well, you obviously haven’t met me yet….: )….but seriously read my last post again, then re-read it…and then THINK……
“I often feel a deep sense of affection toward Pakistan. I truly wish it the very best in every way (except bombing India, of course :)).”
….thou art a very nice man:)….any likelihood of you becoming pm in the foreseeable future?…
Gowardhan
“Semipreciousme, I will believe when I meet one.”
….well, you obviously haven’t met me yet….: )….but seriously read my last post again, then re-read it…and then THINK……
#265 Posted by jay on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
FREEDOM AND JINNAH,
Countries in their hundreds have throw away the yoke of colonisation through freedom struggles. Some have been violent, some peaceful. But in all these countries, they have honoured the freedom fighters, the men and women who made significant personal sacrifices for the common good. These countries after independance have honoured them. In pakistan there are no freedom fighters, no pensions, no honours to these people, simply because, pakistan got feedom because on man drank sherry and watched the tamasha.
A free country with out freedom fighters,a freeloader of freedom, what a bastardised birth of a nation.
Countries in their hundreds have throw away the yoke of colonisation through freedom struggles. Some have been violent, some peaceful. But in all these countries, they have honoured the freedom fighters, the men and women who made significant personal sacrifices for the common good. These countries after independance have honoured them. In pakistan there are no freedom fighters, no pensions, no honours to these people, simply because, pakistan got feedom because on man drank sherry and watched the tamasha.
A free country with out freedom fighters,a freeloader of freedom, what a bastardised birth of a nation.
#264 Posted by ZafarA on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
Stuka - you did your training at Oberoi`s? Did you know anybody there called Umar Khusro?
Yasser - I try not to get involved in this, but truly, this argument is getting distasteful. A man abusing a woman (in whichever manner) does nothing but dishonour himself. Please get a grip - when you do this you aren`t defending Pakistan, you aren`t facing down/up to Sadna, you are demeaning and degrading yourself.
Yasser - I try not to get involved in this, but truly, this argument is getting distasteful. A man abusing a woman (in whichever manner) does nothing but dishonour himself. Please get a grip - when you do this you aren`t defending Pakistan, you aren`t facing down/up to Sadna, you are demeaning and degrading yourself.
#263 Posted by macgupta on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
Once the Taliban are wiped out and the US puts in a government then I suspect perhaps after a few years there will be very little of NWFP left (in Pakistan, that is :-)), lucky if xyz is left.
-Arun Gupta
#262 Posted by macgupta on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
ylh, American-educated or Pakistan-educated,
it does not make a difference. The core of
uncivilization and unculture and irrationality
within you cannot be removed.
Perhaps you will do better in your next incarnation. I will be glad to assist you in an early start. I live in your neck of the woods, you can find me easily by looking in the phone book.
Good luck !
-Arun Gupta
#261 Posted by macgupta on November 3, 2001 2:01:54 am
shammi #257 : I think ylh will be deported
well before 2002. Who will search for his
scattered remnants in the wilderness of Pakistan ?
-Arun Gupta
#260 Posted by sadna on November 2, 2001 5:48:44 pm
ylh #253
For the nth time, I am well aware that xyz districts donot constitute the whole of NWFP, I said so at the time and 100 times afterward. Why would I post a reference if I wanted to lie?
btw, what do I care why you think I am a liar. I am called a bigot almost every day of the week on almost every board,. You still cannot explain why you have to respond to my posts on this board by calling me a bigot, a liar and threatening me with biting the dust? I can make you bite the dust too, if I want to, do you have some doubt? You arguments are not better because you are a coward and use a discussion board to issue threats.
``anti-Pakistan propaganda``
Have you read a single post of mine on this topic of educational policy on this board? Everyone can do so and judge for themselves where is the anti-Pakistan propaganda. I donot see a single reason to threaten me or call me a liar except your own hatred.
btw, I live on the East Coast, too. I notice you donot have the courage to do anything but evade the necessity saying all these things to me face-to-face by calling me more names.
shammi #257
Glad to see you at least come into the open like this. Thanks for the suggestion and sorry I cannot wait that long and be abused and called a liar and a bigot on a daily basis by your friends till then. Either keep to civil discourse or stand up for yourselves in person.
You are absolute cowards, one and all. None of you has responded to any SUBJECT matter I have posted on this board, you have merely resorted to namecalling.
For the nth time, I am well aware that xyz districts donot constitute the whole of NWFP, I said so at the time and 100 times afterward. Why would I post a reference if I wanted to lie?
btw, what do I care why you think I am a liar. I am called a bigot almost every day of the week on almost every board,. You still cannot explain why you have to respond to my posts on this board by calling me a bigot, a liar and threatening me with biting the dust? I can make you bite the dust too, if I want to, do you have some doubt? You arguments are not better because you are a coward and use a discussion board to issue threats.
``anti-Pakistan propaganda``
Have you read a single post of mine on this topic of educational policy on this board? Everyone can do so and judge for themselves where is the anti-Pakistan propaganda. I donot see a single reason to threaten me or call me a liar except your own hatred.
btw, I live on the East Coast, too. I notice you donot have the courage to do anything but evade the necessity saying all these things to me face-to-face by calling me more names.
shammi #257
Glad to see you at least come into the open like this. Thanks for the suggestion and sorry I cannot wait that long and be abused and called a liar and a bigot on a daily basis by your friends till then. Either keep to civil discourse or stand up for yourselves in person.
You are absolute cowards, one and all. None of you has responded to any SUBJECT matter I have posted on this board, you have merely resorted to namecalling.
#259 Posted by Gowardhan on November 2, 2001 5:15:50 pm
I pity Jumping Jack when he has nothing to say but must jump around a like chicken without its head.
I showed a long article detailing the hatred and lies taught to Pakistani children at every level in Pakistani government sponsored schools. Jumping Jack shows these evidences of how Indian history being like his Pakistani crappy history.
Main *proof * is Mr. Udaykumar`s wisdom. No background on the abilities, qualifications of this Mr. Udaykumar. What evidence does this great authority and social scientist provide, we will see.
[Although the Congress tried to promote secularism after Partition, the textbooks reflected anti-Pakistan prejudices]
Show me where. Talking is cheap.
[The Indian Bharatia Janata Party (BJP) in the1990s ushered a new era of the communalism, and the textbooks reflected that trend,]
Show me. Where?
[``in Madhya Pradesh the BJP government re-wrote the entire textbooks from nursery to the post-graduate level with a Hindu emphasis.]
Show me, Mr, Udaykumar. Where?
[History books projected Hindu rulers such as Rana Pratap and Shivaji as heroes and Muslim rulers such as Aurangzeb as villains``.(Udayakumar, 1999)]
Finally Udaykumar, man who has no evidence, spills his bias. Bias is revealed as dishonesty at worst. Aurangzeb is not a villain because he was muslim ruler. He is villain because he was a bigot who brought ruin to his own dyansty by religious fanaticism and imposing hated Jazia tax on hindus. Indian history praises Akbar, Sher Shar Suri, Tipu Sultan sky high. Udaykumar wants us to love the fanatic Aurangzeb only because he was Muslim? (Ylh`s hero but ylh preers dying aids stricken feminine old men). Rana Pratap and shivaji were local heros who defended their kingdom with bravery. Making their fight only Hindu-Muslim shows Udaykumar`s mind. Udaykumar will be excellent *historian * for Pakistan because he also will hate local Sindhi and Punjabi ancestors who fought the invading armies. That is Pakistani history!
End of Jumping Jack`s argument. Finished. No more India history to expose. Desperate he turns to Pakistani`s pet subject Babri Masjid
RSS schools teaching wrong facts.
RSS SCHOOLS ARE NOT INDIAN GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS, YOU IDIOT. Did the article I showed mention what evil is taught in Paksitani Madrassas turned killer factories? It showed what books sponsored by Pakistani ``government`` teach.
End not only of Jumping Jacks history arguments also of Masjid arguments. What does the little twerp do now?
Jay is bad, gowardhan is bad, kill them.
End of Jumping Jack`s argument.
I showed a long article detailing the hatred and lies taught to Pakistani children at every level in Pakistani government sponsored schools. Jumping Jack shows these evidences of how Indian history being like his Pakistani crappy history.
Main *proof * is Mr. Udaykumar`s wisdom. No background on the abilities, qualifications of this Mr. Udaykumar. What evidence does this great authority and social scientist provide, we will see.
[Although the Congress tried to promote secularism after Partition, the textbooks reflected anti-Pakistan prejudices]
Show me where. Talking is cheap.
[The Indian Bharatia Janata Party (BJP) in the1990s ushered a new era of the communalism, and the textbooks reflected that trend,]
Show me. Where?
[``in Madhya Pradesh the BJP government re-wrote the entire textbooks from nursery to the post-graduate level with a Hindu emphasis.]
Show me, Mr, Udaykumar. Where?
[History books projected Hindu rulers such as Rana Pratap and Shivaji as heroes and Muslim rulers such as Aurangzeb as villains``.(Udayakumar, 1999)]
Finally Udaykumar, man who has no evidence, spills his bias. Bias is revealed as dishonesty at worst. Aurangzeb is not a villain because he was muslim ruler. He is villain because he was a bigot who brought ruin to his own dyansty by religious fanaticism and imposing hated Jazia tax on hindus. Indian history praises Akbar, Sher Shar Suri, Tipu Sultan sky high. Udaykumar wants us to love the fanatic Aurangzeb only because he was Muslim? (Ylh`s hero but ylh preers dying aids stricken feminine old men). Rana Pratap and shivaji were local heros who defended their kingdom with bravery. Making their fight only Hindu-Muslim shows Udaykumar`s mind. Udaykumar will be excellent *historian * for Pakistan because he also will hate local Sindhi and Punjabi ancestors who fought the invading armies. That is Pakistani history!
End of Jumping Jack`s argument. Finished. No more India history to expose. Desperate he turns to Pakistani`s pet subject Babri Masjid
RSS schools teaching wrong facts.
RSS SCHOOLS ARE NOT INDIAN GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS, YOU IDIOT. Did the article I showed mention what evil is taught in Paksitani Madrassas turned killer factories? It showed what books sponsored by Pakistani ``government`` teach.
End not only of Jumping Jacks history arguments also of Masjid arguments. What does the little twerp do now?
Jay is bad, gowardhan is bad, kill them.
End of Jumping Jack`s argument.
#258 Posted by Binifer on November 2, 2001 5:15:50 pm
sadna
(Tell me the time and place, if you are so serious about getting rid of me.)
u tell us. id love to see what a female so stubborn and articulacandyte looks like
Also a phadda between you and yasir should make for interesting viewing
(Tell me the time and place, if you are so serious about getting rid of me.)
u tell us. id love to see what a female so stubborn and articulacandyte looks like
Also a phadda between you and yasir should make for interesting viewing
#257 Posted by stuka on November 2, 2001 5:15:50 pm
YLH:
Thank you for giving the URL to the Daudpota article. It made interesting reading.
Shammi: I agree with you about taking the emotionalism out of international discourse. Where I disagree is your assertion that only the refugges carry emotional baggage. I also disagree with the assertion that refugee emotions are by and large negative.
Thank you for giving the URL to the Daudpota article. It made interesting reading.
Shammi: I agree with you about taking the emotionalism out of international discourse. Where I disagree is your assertion that only the refugges carry emotional baggage. I also disagree with the assertion that refugee emotions are by and large negative.