Benazir Bhutto in Sacramento

tvarad:

The point is totally lost on people like you.

The fact remains that Indians like you are obsessed with your hatred for Pakistan, and there is no explaining why... We dont see any Pakistanis on Indian sites, whereas your kind of Indians come to chowk to provoke Pakistanis....

Again, I want the INDIANS to come to Chowk but to exchange views... I love people like Eklavya, Shammi, Stuka, Dost Mittar, Zafar Al talib etc who are Indians and who have taught me a lot.. but when Indians like you come on with hate filled rhetoric against Pakistan, I wonder why you are here, if you hate us so much.

So you see no one is trying to make this site his or her own `fiefdom`... the fact is that anyone who comes to chowk is well aware that this is a site where you will come across Pakistanis... if you hate us so much, dont come. If you do come, then try to control the venomous snakes of hate.

-YLH

Re : Ras Saddiqui and naivete

Ras, You accuse me of this ``roughneck mentality``, as if it were a bad thing. Au contraire! I am rather proud of this inherent ability to fearlessly call a spade a spade. I like to think of it as most character building. You know you ought to try it sometime. However, unlike yourself, at the very least I am not a psychophantic dupatta-carrier of an aging, dareisay ``hag``; not to mention the fact that I have adequate conscience and integrity to not live in a fool`s utopia, willing to gloss over history in a futile bid to aid and abet a known criminal fugitive form Pakistani justice(is that any oxymoron?)

I feel, we at Stanford achieved something positive by exposing this liar of many faces. You should have been there to see the Americans all curious to see why the Pakistanis were asking her the toughest questions and why she was having to squirm and squeal. She curtailed the Q&A session after she decided to cut her losses and make a qucik exit. So much for her charcater and integrity and that of her supporters.

Nations deserve their leaders. With sentimental, albeit educated fools like you asking her back, for a third time, what hope in hell does Pakistan have. Surely none!

Yours amusedly,

Asim

Reply #: 120

semipreciousme

anNy:

“when i met benazir, she was dressed uuugly..real uugly and her shoes were even uglier...”

….i swear….i’ve never seen a woman with such baaaad taste….i mean polka dots and puffed sleeves???…blech….

ps ….and that ubiquitous red/pink lipstick and those horn-rimmed glasses do NOT help matters….

pps…..end of Fashion 101, for now…:)



SPM,

In the absence of any Miss World beuty queen in Pakistan,why are you trying to look for fashion pointers in Benazir ,the most famous pakistani woman.She is not famous b/c of her looks but a politician etc.

AnNy drools over her feet ,you criticize her lipstick choice ,how many ways you want to split her .As a statement of Pakistani fashion,beuty,women lib,women politician,famous daughter & only womanP.M. Give her a break!!

Guys, quit fighting over whether this is a Pakistani site or not. Yes, it is. No, it is not. What difference does it make?

Ras, thanks for the heads up on Salman Ahmad`s appearance on ``Politically Incorrect``. I watched it and had to squirm I`m afraid. Let me say up front that I really like Junoon. Poor Salman tried his best but got mauled, is the way I saw it. Not because he was wrong in his answers, but my feeling was that he was not prepared to answer what seemed to be real meaty questions that he should have jumped on: Why are the Muslims not standing up to the extremists, and could not answer the purely ``Ramboesque`` approaches put forth by Gene Simmons and Bill Maher. To be fair, the approach of the panelists is to go hammer and tongs, and not a diplomatic debate, but still ...

anNy:

“when i met benazir, she was dressed uuugly..real uugly and her shoes were even uglier...”

….i swear….i’ve never seen a woman with such baaaad taste….i mean polka dots and puffed sleeves???…blech….

ps ….and that ubiquitous red/pink lipstick and those horn-rimmed glasses do NOT help matters….



pps…..end of Fashion 101, for now…:)

anNy:

“when i met benazir, she was dressed uuugly..real uugly and her shoes were even uglier...”

….i swear….i’ve never seen a woman with such baaaad taste….i mean polka dots and puffed sleeves???…blech….

ps ….and that ubiquitous red/pink lipstick and those horn-rimmed glasses do NOT help matters….



pps…..end of Fashion 101, for now…:)

Let me go out on a limb here, on subject that is mostly mystery to me.

I agree that Benazir was probably quite corrupt, or at least did not come in the way of her husband`s extremely corrupt practices. However, on a number of occasions she has claimed that many of her government`s policies, both internal and external, were thrust upon her. She was given no choice. Now, I know that weakness is no excuse in anybody, least of all in those of aspiring to be leaders. Combine weakness with corruption, and you are disaster on your hands. But could it be that she gets dumped on more because she is a woman?

P.S. Anybody who has beautiful eyelashes and pretty feet already has a headstart in my book.

RE: Reply #: 109 ylh

``Some Indians are going to jump up and say that `No this is not a Pakistani site` well thats not what the media is saying ..``

Quote: www.chowk.com, an internet magazine which devotes itself to Pakistani affairs.``

If you look at the main page you will see at least two articles devoted to India, written by Indians. Do get your facts straight before you spout off. Here`s a quote from the Chowk official editorial welcome page:

``Chowk is a community with unstinted interaction on every article, survey, section, topic. Besides the utter rejection of the obviously intolerable (hate rhetoric, racism, personal slander/abuse), only one consideration governs all interaction on Chowk. It also helps define the term Chowkwala (Chowk dweller). A Chowkwala is anyone who understands and accepts that all are welcome to read, write and think as Chowkwalas. A Chowkwala who deliberately and maliciously makes others unwelcome, does not exist. Neither shall his/her interaction.``

Try to aspire to the higher purpose of this valuable site rather than trying to make it your personal fiefdom.

Stuka,

I am of the impression that you are of the sikh faith. If so, you are most welcome to stay with me in Pakistan if you want to visit the holy sites.

-YLH

Freesoul # 2 + # 47

“The Taliban policy of the ISI and Pakistan Army formed in her 2nd rule with no opposition from the PPP”

Quite correct. It takes a person of above average IQ to understand the nuances of political necessity and survival during the changing winds. Maybe that time has come for Pakistanis?


Romair #3

Can’t say that I was surprised in reading your reply. Good luck to all Pakistanis these
days, especially your the people in uniform (they sure will need it).

hamidm #4

You do care whether you admit it or not. Yours are amongst the few interacts on CHOWK that I read with a great deal of interest.

Ali1 #5

The whole Bay Area was stinking because of the weather. Sacramento had a beautiful clear, crisp day when Benazir was here.

Kafir k khan # 6

“she is on the payroll”…
Yes, she did make a bit of money speaking at two places in one day. Please report it to NAB. This kind of CORRUPTION has to stop.

Ferozk # 7

BB will have to change too Feroz. And where do we differ on Kashmir?

Veeresh # 8

We are all continuing to learn a great deal in South Asia. Maybe in a few more
Years we will have it right and I can come to Delhi and try your fine kababs.

afaruqui # 9

Hope to see some more of your writing soon. You did not get the opportunity to witness the response that 2000+ American women at this convention in Sacramento gave her.
I guess that they do not read Stanley Wolpert or Burki…

Hobbyty # 12
You did make a strong point here

Scout # 13

Did you get a chance to see Salman Ahmad of Junoon on Politically Incorrect?

Waheed # 14

I should know as a journalist not to praise Benazir? I praised her here because I care
about Pakistan period.

Ordinary # 15

I would not be as pessimistic as you are. You take the easy way out in your reply.

Mohajir # 16.

The king of the cut and paste on CHOWK still rules. I disliked Indira then and still do.

YLH # 17 and MANY other replies

How does one comment on YLH? Like the energizer battery he keeps going and ….

Tvarad # 20

Agree with some of what you wrote.


AI # 22 and #23

The world has not changed but appears to be in the process of change. Benazir has to learn to adapt. I think that just maybe she is trying..

Tahmed321 #25, # 59 wrote

“Benazir belongs in the dustbin of history” .
Many Indian opinion writers say the same about Pakistan. We cannot accept this notion.
In # 59 I agree with you.

Shammi # 26

Good point.

Syed Ahmed # 27

You have made some valid observations here, but you cannot blame Benazir for the carnage in Karachi.

Urstruly # 28

Still trying to recover from “the day when Pinky broke my heart”?

Sarwari # 31

Thanks. I feel like a kid in the barn for writing this report, but I will continue to stand
Behind it. Pakistan is important enough for some to take such heat on a unpopular subject.

Hasan #32

You seem to have summed up the reasons for justifying your stand. But do think of the environment in which this report was written.

SameerJB # 37 wrote:

“Her party’s decent showing in the LB polls was more of an anti-Musharraf vote than anything else”

You’re clutching at straws here JB. An Murtaza’s murder is yet to be solved.

AnNy # 39

I did see her eyelashes.

Sac # 41

We have not been hearing much from you lately on CHOWK.

You wrote “in the meantime, the country slips slowly into an abyss”.
That is one reason why I wrote this report. I fear for Pakistan at the
moment..

hamzad afaqui # 60

Please find something longer to cut and paste. Maybe the entire English
Dictionary.

Nameless # 70

Ever heard of the Ganga incident?

Lajwanti #75

At least learn HOW to cut and paste.


Asim Hayat various replies..

Beyond hope. Roughneck mentality when it comes to BB or KGS.

Zico # 83

Humor = 0

anNY #105 ``id personally love to see her fry ``

Or at least given the Heimlich maneuver until she coughs out what she knows about her husband`s money making schemes.

Zico,

Man look whose talking... Indians are the ones who are still jumping up and down trying to pin Lies and nonsense on Pakistan... Hope you will try facing the truth, when you come out from the facade of secular democracy that your Hindu fundamentalist government has put on the world.

-YLH

Conservatism will whither away :

The touching story of Shakeela Rasheed,

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/review/review5.htm

This woman has a lot in common with my mother. When my mother topped the Rawalpindi Board Matriculation examinations, her conservative shia family from Jauharabad started looking for a nice women`s college in Lahore. So when after FSc my mother got admission in King Edward Medical College Lahore, my grandfather refused to let her enroll putting her instead in the Lahore College of Women. But conspiring with her brother who went to School at Government College and then Punjab University, my mother managed to enroll into King Edward Medical College secretly. It must have been quite a site, my mother Burqah Clad in an unfamiliar city in the top elite institution of Pakistan.

The burqah went soon enough, under the influence of her class mates, my mom discarded that mostrosity in few months, with a fierce independence so much so, that when the Iranian revolution came and my mother was on deputation there, she took on the Mullahs refusing to clad herself in Hijab.

-YLH

RE: Reply #: 104 AeishA

``Instead of just 500(a pathetic measley number in a country of 1 bn.)we wiil gladly feel relieved by your absence among ppl of MUSLIM FAITH.``

It is vermin like you who are the arch-enemies of the glorious Muslim culture of the sub-continent which has now been reduced to such a pathetic state. Those kids who are being spoon-fed illiterate nonsense in Madrassas and encouraged to spit out bile and venom at all kinds of imaginary enemies just like you could have been the doctors, engineers and future leaders of Pakistan; yet they are being robbed of their future to feed the voracious appetite of the elitist leeches who have sucked the country dry.

Well, the chickens are coming home to roost. The storm created by your compatriots is soon going to swallow people like you too.

tvrad,

assumptions assumptions huh...I am an urbanite through and through... My mother is a doctor, and my father is a businessman.

As for oppressing the haris, oh you mean the `City of Joy` style? The way in Calcutta money lenders do?

I have never been to Indian message boards, and I never felt the need to. As for the net being my grandfather`s property, I wonder what gave you that impression... I was merely suggesting something which is obvious... you are on a Pakistani site...

Some Indians are going to jump up and say that `No this is not a Pakistani site` well thats not what the media is saying ..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_477000/477539.stm

Quote: www.chowk.com, an internet magazine which devotes itself to Pakistani affairs.

http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/19991017/ige17012.html

Quote: Chowk, Pakistan`s premier Internet magazine

So dont get me wrong... you are most welsocme here... but to accuse Pakistan of obsession with India is not fair... atleast to people like me who can give a rats rearside what happens to India ...

Learn some respect, some manners.. avoid attributing your own shortcomings to us.