A Journey Into Afghanistan

Reply Zico # 106

[NEWSFLASH:

A reputable Islamic source has successfully proven that the Jews were responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. ``It was a Zionist plot to crash an asteroid to the Earth`` said a Muslim cleric in Lahore. ``We have documentary evidence of Mossads involvment``. Mullah Tyrannosaur Khan of Multan Madrassah said ``The dinosaurs were on the verge of accepting Islam``.]

I am still stunned from falling off my chair laughing. Kya yeh bhi mossad ka plot thha?

re: Stuka

``Secondly, Ruling Delhi is not the same as ruling India. Guru Tegh Bahadurji was martyred in Delhi, yes ...``

I was refering to post-47 Indian govts., but never mind, it was just a comment.

Re Banjara # 109

``You BJP revisionists are trying to change our great hisstory``

BJP Revisionist? History of Rochistan may yeh khakhi chaddi wale kahan aa gaye? Yahan hum sub colour blind hain, aur Rabri Devi kay bajay sirf Rabri & Maalpua ko mante hain.

Jai Roachistan

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Subroto

What a refreshing report!

By Robert Fisk

Robert Fisk:Hypocrisy, hatred and the war on terror

[`If the US attacks were an assault on ``civilisation``, why shouldn`t Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on Islam?`

08 November 2001]



``Air campaign``? ``Coalition forces``? ``War on terror``? How much longer must we go on enduring these lies? There is no ``campaign`` – merely an air bombardment of the poorest and most broken country in the world by the world`s richest and most sophisticated nation. No MiGs have taken to the skies to do battle with the American B-52s or F-18s. The only ammunition soaring into the air over Kabul comes from Russian anti-aircraft guns manufactured around 1943.

Coalition? Hands up who`s seen the Luftwaffe in the skies over Kandahar, or the Italian air force or the French air force over Herat. Or even the Pakistani air force. The Americans are bombing Afghanistan with a few British missiles thrown in. ``Coalition`` indeed.

Then there`s the ``war on terror``. When are we moving on to bomb the Jaffna peninsula? Or Chechnya – which we have already left in Vladimir Putin`s bloody hands? I even seem to recall a massive terrorist car bomb that exploded in Beirut in 1985 – targeting Sayed Hassan Nasrallah, the spiritual inspiration to the Hezbollah, who now appears to be back on Washington`s hit list – and which missed Nasrallah but slaughtered 85 innocent Lebanese civilians. Years later, Carl Bernstein revealed in his book, Veil, that the CIA was behind the bomb after the Saudis agreed to fund the operation. So will the US President George Bush be hunting down the CIA murderers involved? The hell he will.

So why on earth are all my chums on CNN and Sky and the BBC rabbiting on about the ``air campaign``, ``coalition forces`` and the ``war on terror``? Do they think their viewers believe this twaddle?

Certainly Muslims don`t. In fact, you don`t have to spend long in Pakistan to realise that the Pakistani press gives an infinitely more truthful and balanced account of the ``war`` – publishing work by local intellectuals, historians and opposition writers along with Taliban comments and pro-government statements as well as syndicated Western analyses – than The New York Times; and all this, remember, in a military dictatorship.

You only have to spend a few weeks in the Middle East and the subcontinent to realise why Tony Blair`s interviews on al-Jazeera and Larry King Live don`t amount to a hill of beans. The Beirut daily As-Safir ran a widely-praised editorial asking why an Arab who wanted to express the anger and humiliation of millions of other Arabs was forced to do so from a cave in a non-Arab country. The implication, of course, was that this – rather than the crimes against humanity on 11 September – was the reason for America`s determination to liquidate Osama bin Laden. Far more persuasive has been a series of articles in the Pakistani press on the outrageous treatment of Muslims arrested in the United States in the aftermath of the September atrocities.

One such article should suffice. Headlined ``Hate crime victim`s diary``, in The News of Lahore, it outlined the suffering of Hasnain Javed, who was arrested in Alabama on 19 September with an expired visa. In prison in Mississippi, he was beaten up by a prisoner who also broke his tooth. Then, long after he had sounded the warden`s alarm bell, more men beat him against a wall with the words: ``Hey bin Laden, this is the first round. There are going to be 10 rounds like this.`` There are dozens of other such stories in the Pakistani press and most of them appear to be true.

Again, Muslims have been outraged by the hypocrisy of the West`s supposed ``respect`` for Islam. We are not, so we have informed the world, going to suspend military operations in Afghanistan during the holy fasting month of Ramadan. After all, the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq conflict continued during Ramadan. So have Arab-Israeli conflicts. True enough. But why, then, did we make such a show of suspending bombing on the first Friday of the bombardment last month out of our ``respect`` for Islam? Because we were more respectful then than now? Or because – the Taliban remaining unbroken – we`ve decided to forget about all that ``respect``?

``I can see why you want to separate bin Laden from our religion,`` a Peshawar journalist said to me a few days ago. ``Of course you want to tell us that this isn`t a religious war, but Mr Robert, please, please stop telling us how much you respect Islam.``

There is another disturbing argument I hear in Pakistan. If, as Mr Bush claims, the attacks on New York and Washington were an assault on ``civilisation``, why shouldn`t Muslims regard an attack on Afghanistan as a war on Islam?

The Pakistanis swiftly spotted the hypocrisy of the Australians. While itching to get into the fight against Mr bin Laden, the Australians have sent armed troops to force destitute Afghan refugees out of their territorial waters. The Aussies want to bomb Afghanistan – but they don`t want to save the Afghans. Pakistan, it should be added, hosts 2.5 million Afghan refugees. Needless to say, this discrepancy doesn`t get much of an airing on our satellite channels. Indeed, I have never heard so much fury directed at journalists as I have in Pakistan these past few weeks. Nor am I surprised.

What, after all, are we supposed to make of the so-called ``liberal`` American television journalist Geraldo Rivera who is just moving to Fox TV, a Murdoch channel? ``I`m feeling more patriotic than at any time in my life, itching for justice, or maybe just revenge,`` he announced this week. ``And this catharsis I`ve gone through has caused me to reassess what I do for a living.`` This is truly chilling stuff. Here is an American journalist actually revealing that he`s possibly ``itching for revenge``.

Infinitely more shameful – and unethical – were the disgraceful words of Walter Isaacson, the chairman of CNN, to his staff. Showing the misery of Afghanistan ran the risk of promoting enemy propaganda, he said. ``It seems perverse to focus too much on the casualties or hardship in Afghanistan ... we must talk about how the Taliban are using civilian shields and how the Taliban have harboured the terrorists responsible for killing close up to 5,000 innocent people.``

Mr Isaacson was an unimaginative boss of Time magazine but these latest words will do more to damage the supposed impartiality of CNN than anything on the air in recent years. Perverse? Why perverse? Why are Afghan casualties so far down Mr Isaacson`s compassion? Or is Mr Isaacson just following the lead set down for him a few days earlier by the White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who portentously announced to the Washington press corps that in times like these ``people have to watch what they say and watch what they do``.

Needless to say, CNN has caved in to the US government`s demand not to broadcast Mr bin Laden`s words in toto lest they contain ``coded messages``. But the coded messages go out on television every hour. They are ``air campaign``, ``coalition forces`` and ``war on terror``.

Banjaara # 117

Aap bhi, Miyan! :)

Prince Charles gets a whacking

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From a HONEST WOMAN,who is not the boot(feet) licking type



IGA: A woman angry over Britain`s role in the US-led strikes in Afghanistan hit Prince Charles over the head with a red carnation as he greeted flag-waving children in the Latvian capital, witnesses said.

The Prince of Wales had just laid flowers at Latvia`s freedom monument with President Vaira Vike-Freiberga and was mingling with schoolchildren waving the Union Jack when an angry-looking woman approached him and hit him over the head with the flower.

The woman, about 20-25 years of age, was quickly tackled by security.

``I am opposed to Latvia joining NATO and to Britain fighting in Afghanistan,`` said the woman in Russian before being driven away in a police van. ``Britian is the enemy of the world.``

The incident ``shouldn`t have been allowed to happen, but that is one of the risks`` of public events, the British defence attache to Latvia, Andrew Tuggey, said.

The Prince of Wales on Monday began a six-day tour marking 10 years of renewed relations between Britain and the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

``My visit will help symbolise Britain`s wholehearted support of their preparations for`` joining the European Union and Nato, Prince Charles wrote in Monday`s issue of Britain`s The Daily Telegraph newspaper before beginning the tour.

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Bijli # 110

``Yun to Afghan Mirza,Syed,Pathaan,Bhi ho

Batao to ke Mussalmaan bhi ho``

Pleeeeeeze dont hurt Allama Iqbal.He is already dead and buried.If you have to quote a verse,try

your hand at filmi geets.Here is the corrected

version for your information.

Yun tau syed bhi ho mirza bhi ho afghan bhi ho

tum sabhi kuch ho bataao tau mussalmaan bhi ho

TALIBAN ARE OUR CHILDREN - ISI CHIEF

Indians Have Taken Over Makkah Madina

Ylh claims Indians are spoiling Pakistani image by telling the truth about Pakistan.

http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/07/top18.htm

Riyadh recognized Taliban govt on Islamabad`s advice: Prince Turki

By Our Correspondent

RIYADH, Nov 6: Former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki Al-Faisal, who remained deeply involved in the Afghanistan issue for almost 25 years, ever since the Soviet invasion, told the local Saudi daily Arab News that Saudi Arabia had recognized the Taliban government in 1997 `` on the advice of our Pakistani brothers.``

In the third part of an exclusive interview jointly conducted by Arab News and the MBC Television, carried on Tuesday, Prince Turki said the former Pakistani interior minister Naseerullah Babar had introduced the Taliban in an interesting way. ``He had said they are my children.``

Recognizing the Taliban regime was a hasty decision, he said. One of the reasons`` why we recognized the Taliban government was the agreement between the Kingdom and Pakistan since the time of President Zia-ul-Haq on consulting and coordinating on all matters concerning Afghanistan. It was a result of this agreement and the advice of our Pakistani brothers that we recognized the Taliban.``

Further, until ``that time the Taliban had not created any controversy. It was controlling 95 per cent of the territory when the Kingdom accorded recognition to the Taliban regime in 1997. It was also providing security and stability in the region. We recognized them several months after they captured Kabul.``

During the interview the prince confirmed that Sudan, at one time, had agreed to hand over Osama Bin Laden to the Kingdom before he returned to Afghanistan in 1996. ``Pesident Bashir (of Sudan) had asked for guarantees that Osama would not be prosecuted.

The prince said Bashir was told that no one was above the law and that`` we could not give any such guarantees.`` He also hinted that, at a point in time, Mulla Omar had also given positive signals to the Saudi demand that Osama be handed over to the Saudi government.

In his first of the two meetings with Mulla Omar, Dr Abdullah Al-Turki, the current secretary general of the Muslim World League, had also accompanied the prince. `` Mulla Omar did not object to Sheikh Al-Turki`s arguments on the extradition of the Al-Qaeda chief to the Kingdom and I thought he agreed with Al-Turki`s arguments on the basis of Shariat. At the second meeting,after the US embassy bombings in Africa, however, Mulla Omar was not in a mood to listen to any one,`` the prince said.

He could not recall Mulla Omar`s exact words, except that he had used an abusive language to criticize the Kingdom`s leadership during the meeting.

Prince Turki pointed out that after the Russian withdrawal, the United States` interest in Afghanistan had dwindled. However, he said, the US wanted to see some sort of stability in the region. It kept monitoring the activities of the oil companies which were working for establishing a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to the Arabian Sea through Afghanistan and Pakistan, he added.

``There were only three choices: the pipeline could either go through Russia, but the Caucasus mountains and the Chechen crisis obstructed the project; or through Iran to Bandar Abbas. But the American firms were banned by the US administration from operating in Iran. So the only viable option left was through the war-torn Afghanistan.``

The prince hinted (that in order to secure support for the pipeline project) some of the oil companies might have even provided funds to the Taliban regime. `` These (oil) companies had contacted the Taliban and I cannot rule out that they had offered their support to the Taliban. In such cases, the assistance could have been in millions or in the form of a promise,`` he added.

Rajanjua:

Harsh words, Stuka saab - You do realise that your country has been ruled, only by these ``churidar kurta half khusra types``!

Firstly, what I say to Ali#1 is meant for him only, not to insult the general public. If he could be kind enough to post his email address, then I could customize my insults and send it to him. In the absence of that I have to publish in an open forum. Gustaakhi Maaf.

Secondly, Ruling Delhi is not the same as ruling India. Guru Tegh Bahadurji was martyred in Delhi, yes, but Guru Gobind Singhji created the Khalsa, which never accepted the rule of the Delhi Durbar. Also, from Banda Bahadur, to Maharaja Ranjit Singh to the Misals, Punjab was never under the control of the Dilli Durbar. In 1857, the Punjabis (Both Mussulmans, as well as the Sikhs) ravaged Delhi, exacting revenge for past injustices.

Besides, I think Ali is Punjabi, not that it should matter.

It does matter. I seriously doubt that he`s Punjabi, and if per chance he is, then he is a blot on his ethnicity and his culture.

Banjaara:

: Hamare chacha Nehru bhi tau churidar pahentay

thay.Ab boliye naa.Chup kyun hogaye :)))

Arrey to Chacha Nehru bhee to aadhey khusrey hee they. Hammey nahin mantey to Mountbatten sey hee puch leejeey ;))

Chup honey ka to sawal hee nahin uthta. Haazir Jawaabi to hamara second nature hai. ;)

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Re: banjaara

``Brother RSaxena,come out of the closet and declare your Bihari pan.``

no way, man...no Bihari here..no gujju, punjabi, or southie either..keep guessing :)

Subroto # 104.

``Her original name was Farida Khanum. Farida`s mother Hasina Khanum was the jagirdarni of Sasaram in Bihar.``

The onlr jagirdar/jagirdarni in Bihar has been and shall remain is Shri Lalloo Prasad Yadav and

Shrimati Raabri Devi.You BJP revisionists are trying to change our great hisstory,but we shall

overcome in the end.Brother RSaxena,come out of the closet and declare your Bihari pan.

Lallo prasad..Jindabaad.

AnderBihar..Jindabaad.

Ajeemabad..jindabaad

Stuka

Hamain ghussa aa gaya hai,ab main bhi ek shalwar

suit(Pathani for your moti aqal)ka order de kar aa

gaya hun naalay ek pug vi.Hun hoja hoshiar.Tum nay

abhi tak mera pyar dekha hai mera ghussa nahin.

What has happened to Chowk,every body is becoming

Agha Hashar Kashmiri and the equally stupid dialogues.For this gandgi on Chowk Suborto Dada is

responsible.Zahra spank him :)))

Stuka # 58

First anNy says that men are wearing dupatta in Karachi and now you are talking about our churidar pajama and malmal ka kurta. Khabardar jo reshmi azaarband ka naam liya .

Allah aap kitney zaalim hain.Jaiay hum

aap donoN say nahin bolte....haan.

PS: Hamare chacha Nehru bhi tau churidar pahentay

thay.Ab boliye naa.Chup kyun hogaye :)))

NEWSFLASH:

A man fell over and broke is ankle walking along the road in Sialkot, Pakistan. Officials said he was pushed by a Mossad agent.

NEWSFLASH:

The massacre of 7000 Hazara Shias in Mazhar-e-Sharif in 1999 by the Taleban coincided with reports of many ``hook nosed, grimacing looking`` Hebrew speaking people in Yashmaks appearing in the region. Eye witnesses reported the killers shouting ``mazel-Tov!`` and ``Happy Channukah`` as they shot the hapless Hazaras.

NEWSFLASH:

Pakistans performance in the World Cup final against Australia was the fault of Jews purposefully distracting the players by disguised Rabbis chanting suspicious Hebrew scripture at crucial moments of the game. ``Its all a Jewish plot`` said a distraught Inzamam