A Journey Into Afghanistan

Pakistan and anthrax

In the house of anthrax

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=876941

Nov 22nd 2001 | KABUL

From The Economist print edition

Chilling evidence in the ruins of Kabul

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AMERICAN officials increasingly believe the anthrax attacks since September 11th were not carried out by people connected to al-Qaeda, but may have been the work of a lone American madman. To avert future attacks, though, perhaps they should look harder.

They might start, for example, in a nondescript house in the wealthiest district of Kabul, where a Pakistani NGO called Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (UTN) once had its offices. UTN`s president is Bashiruddin Mahmood, one of Pakistan`s leading nuclear scientists and a specialist in plutonium technology. Last month Mr Mahmood was arrested by the Pakistani authorities and interrogated on his links to the Taliban, with whom he has had frequent contact for, he insists, humanitarian reasons. Mr Mahmood was released again soon afterwards. The Taliban has denied any “abnormal” links between Mr Mahmood and Mr bin Laden, and he himself says he has never met the man.

In public, UTN helped Afghans with flourmills, school textbooks and road-upgrading schemes. But its offices suggest that this may have been a cover for something far more sinister. According to their neighbours, the Pakistanis who lived and worked there fled Kabul along with the Taliban, but the evidence they left behind suggests that they were working on a plan to build an anthrax bomb.

An upstairs room of the house had been used as a workshop. What appeared to be a Russian rocket had been disassembled, and a canister labelled “helium” had been left on the worktop. On the floor were multiple copies of documents about anthrax downloaded from the Internet, and details about the American army`s vaccination plans for its troops. The number of copies suggests that seminars were also taking place there.

One of the downloaded documents featured a small picture of the former American defence secretary, William Cohen, holding a five-pound bag of sugar. It noted that he was doing this “to show the amount of the biological weapon anthrax that could destroy half the population of Washington, DC.”

On the floor was a small bag of white powder, which this correspondent decided not to inspect. It may have contained nothing more deadly than icing sugar, but that could be useful for experiments in how to scatter powder containing anthrax spores from a great height over a city, or to show students how to do this. The living room contained two boxes of gas masks and filters.

On a desk was a cassette box labelled “Jihad”, with the name of Osama bin Laden hand-written along the spine. Most chilling of all, however, were the mass of calculations and drawings in felt pen that filled up a white board of the sort used in classrooms. There were several designs for a long thin balloon, something like a weather balloon, with lines and arrows indicating a suggested height of 10km (33,000 feet). There was also a sketch of a jet fighter flying towards the balloon alongside the words: “Your days are limited! Bang.” This, like the documents, was written in English.

Since UTN was run by one of Pakistan`s top scientists, a man with close links to the Taliban and, it is said, close ideological affinities with Mr bin Laden, the circumstantial evidence points to only one conclusion. Whoever fled this house when the Taliban fell was working on a plan to build a helium-powered balloon bomb carrying anthrax. Whether it was detonated with a timer or shot down by a fighter, the result would have been the same: the showering of deadly airborne anthrax spores over an area as wide as half of New York city or Washington, DC.

After the September 11th attacks, it was generally agreed that western intelligence agencies had failed through lack of “human intelligence”—men on the ground, as opposed to spy satellites and computers monitoring phone calls and e-mails. This failure was to be rectified. Yet since the fall of Kabul on November 13th, journalists have been fanning out across the city. They have stripped houses such as this one, and others directly connected to the al-Qaeda network, of all sorts of documents and other valuable evidence. These have included the names and addresses of al-Qaeda contacts in the West. For the West`s intelligence agencies, September 11th was Black Tuesday. There may be no words with which to describe their failure in the week since the fall of Kabul.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/281101/dlame21.asp

Anthrax balloon sketches found from Pak N-scientists` office

Sketches and calculations to make a helium-powered balloon bomb filled with anthrax have been found from the Kabul office of an NGO headed by Bashiruddin Mehmood, one of the two Pakistani nuclear scientists detained in Islamabad for questioning on their alleged links with Osama Bin Laden, a leading US journal has said.

Such a balloon bomb was capable of showering deadly anthrax over areas as vast as New York or Washington.

The ``most chilling`` items found from the Kabul premises included small bags of white powder and the ``mass of calculations and drawings`` of weather balloons with arrows indicating the suggested height of 10 kms or 33,000 feet, said The Economist in its print edition.

The premises located in the ``wealthiest district`` of Kabul belonged to the Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (UTN), whose President is a leading nuclear scientist and a plutonium technology specialist Mehmood, who along with another scientist Abdul Majid were detained again yesterday in Islamabad for questioning, The Economist said.

The two men, who are alleged to have made frequent trips to Afghanistan and met Laden on two occasions, have denied the charges.

``Since UTN was run by one of Pakistan`s top scientists, a man with close links to the Taliban and, it is said, close ideological affinities with Laden, the circumstantial evidence points to only one conclusion, the paper said.

``Whoever fled this house when the Taliban fell was working on a plan to build a helium-powered balloon bomb carrying anthrax,`` the journal said.

http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/nov/28ny5.htm

Pardesiji

Sat Sri Akal

It has been a pleasure to read your posts. Look forward to more of the same.

Dulla Bhatti ji,

Sat Sri Akal .. during last batch of updates, my note to you has been lost .. welcome back.

Best regards.

Stuka ji,

Sat Sri Akal.

Keep Punjabiat flag flying high my friend. It will take us long time but we need to keep building bridges with Pakistani friends. There is lot for us to learn in USA and it’s not just technology and business. In my view the best parts are super human effort to treat all races equal, attempt to have law and order protection for richest to poorest and last but not least, opportunities for under privileged without robbing the rich. That’s my friend what we should hope and pray for India and contribute towards it what little we can.

Regards.

DullaBhatti:

I think one should look at UK Asians for a full glimpse of relations between Punjabis of different faiths. The way I look at it is that it is better to build relations built on culture and language, and leave religion as personal.

The biggest mistake Punjabi Hindus made was to find common cause with other Hindus on basis of religion, rather than other Punjabis based on culture. I don`t think the Hindu leadership of the time was far sighted enough to see that for a Bengali a Punjabi would always be different regardless of common religion. Now, if we build bonds by culture, language and nation, we build bonds with our neighbors, friends, and the circle grows from small to big.

The problem that I am seeing is a tendency in Islam to build bridges based on religion rather than on culture, community and language. Based on that premise, a Punjabi Muslim will have more kinship for a Bosnian Muslim as compared to a Sikh or a Punjabi Hindu. I am not saying that all Muslims think like this, nor is it any attempt to decry or insult anyone. I am just speaking out about my perception. In England, in the 60s and 70s, the Desis made culture the basis of interaction, and the was no question of splitting the two quams. Now, it is religion which is becoming the defing factor, and therefore, it is perforce creating a split in the community. I would like to know what you think.

Pardesi ji, long time no see around here? A great post you wrote above(or below depending upon how you look at page:-)). I have similar feelings and wanted to respond to Tibor`s ramblings but due to lack of time and fear that I might not put forward my sentiment properly held me back.

I second what you have said 100%.

To add my 2 cents, I would say that I feel lot of affinity and cultural kinship with Pakistani Punjabis. Most of them, who don`t make religion as teh central point, are fine people and I feel no hurdles getting along with them...unfortunately that species is very rare. I am saddened to say it( and is contray to my statements I might have made few years back or felt like that few years back) that most of the pakistani Punjabi crowd particularly the educated one is totally confused about their identity. May be thrashing that the Jihadis from Lahore are getting in Afghanistan because Afghans look at them and they see a Punjabi(and not a Muslim), might knock some sense into them.

yes religion is important but there are things deeper and older on this planet than religion and God as we know it(or Him).

I know that many Punjabi hindus feel the same way. Stuka is not alone.

Long live Punjabiyat and its secular spirit.

Pardesi:

Excellent post. You said it better than I could.

Tibor # 186

You need to calm down little bit here. You have been writing as if you know more about Sikh and/or Khalistani thinking than perhaps even they know.

First of all Indira Gandhi (may God rest her soul in hell) was responsible for Bhindrawale (may God rest his soul with Indira too) cult since she built him as political counterweight to Akalis (who were just asking for more de-centralization of power that has been now accepted as gospel) and as we know he went out of control. So tell me, is Bhindrawale responsible for June 1984 or Indira shares equal blame too?

Second, were poor Sikhs to be blamed for asking Khalistan after November 1984 when state sponsored butchering took place in Delhi and many other cities of India? What have you or your patriotic people done to punish those responsible that are still roaming free? I am pretty sure your people were busy kissing Rajiv’s arse for three four days in early November 1984 when right under Federal government’s nose, Sikh killings were taking place. Where is that collective Indian sense of accountability or justice?

Third, stop talking of Sikhs and Khalistanis as if they are two separate people. It’s all matter of feelings at different time under different circumstances. Sikhs have been more patriotic before 1984 than anyone else. After 1984, for several years, we were confused by the events. Sometimes we felt that a separate small nation might have been better for us. Other times, we realize that Jihadi forces are right there on western side who have traditionally brutalized us in particular and Punjab in general. We also realize that there are benefits in belonging to a large nation with noble foundations (but still underdeveloped law and order system). Besides nations are coming together to form common markets and it will be perhaps mistake for us to blame every Indian for action of few thousands.

So tell me - in your infinite wisdom, if I have these views, what does that make me? A ``khalistani`` or a ``Sikh``? The truth of the matter is, our self-image has been shattered and feelings are deeply hurt. We do want to stay as part of larger country, but this situation with law and order has to improve not just for Sikhs but for all minorities. Believe me, we have more empathy for Muslims or Christians now when they are hurt in riots than we had before. Indian unity, if it has to be preserved, needs to respect all individuals’ life and property (not just those who are in power at the time) and put full force of state to go after riot planners and not just quickly hang killers of prime ministers. Statements such as equality for all citizens, are not worth the paper they are written on if there are no follow-ups.

So forget about who has allegiance to whom or why our Gurus sacrificed their lives. That’s history. Learn from it, but dont become its prisoner. Move forward and look at future. There is nothing wrong if Stuka has a sense of cultural affinity with Pakistani Punjabis or an UP Hindu loves to share Urdu couplets with a Pakistani Mohajir.

And never again equate Talibans with Khalistanis, otherwise you will be subjected to another long post :-).

November 16, 2001

Terrorist Sponsors: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, China

by Ted Galen Carpenter

http://www.cato.org/dailys/11-16-01.html

Ted Galen Carpenter is vice president for defense and foreign policy studies at the Cato Institute and is the author or editor of 13 books on international affairs.

The United States has assembled a superficially impressive international coalition against the threat of terrorism. Many countries in that coalition, however, contribute little of significance to the fight. Even worse, the willingness of some members of the coalition to actually combat terrorism is doubtful. Indeed, given their record, some of those countries appear to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. That concern is especially acute with respect to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and China.

Saudi Arabia enlisted in the fight against terrorism only in response to intense pressure from the United States following the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Even then, its cooperation has been minimal and grudging. For example, Riyadh has resisted Washington`s requests to use its bases in Saudi Arabia for military operations against Osama bin Laden`s terrorist facilities in Afghanistan.

Even that belated, tepid participation is an improvement on Saudi Arabia`s previous conduct. The U.S. government has warned that it will treat regimes that harbor or assist terrorist organizations the same way that it treats the organizations themselves. Yet if Washington is serious about that policy, it ought to regard Saudi Arabia as a prime sponsor of international terrorism. Indeed, that country should have been included for years on the U.S. State Department`s annual list of governments guilty of sponsoring terrorism.

The Saudi government has been the principal financial backer of Afghanistan` s odious Taliban movement since at least 1996. It has also channeled funds to Hamas and other groups that have committed terrorist acts in Israel and other portions of the Middle East.

Worst of all, the Saudi monarchy has funded dubious schools and ``charities`` throughout the Islamic world. Those organizations have been hotbeds of anti-Western, and especially, anti-American, indoctrination. The schools, for example, not only indoctrinate students in a virulent and extreme form of Islam, but also teach them to hate secular Western values.

They are also taught that the United States is the center of infidel power in the world and is the enemy of Islam. Graduates of those schools are frequently recruits for Bin Laden`s Al-Qaeda terror network as well as other extremist groups.

Pakistan`s guilt is nearly as great as Saudi Arabia`s. Without the active support of the government in Islamabad, it is doubtful whether the Taliban could ever have come to power in Afghanistan. Pakistani authorities helped fund the militia and equip it with military hardware during the mid-1990s when the Taliban was merely one of several competing factions in Afghanistan`s civil war. Only when the United States exerted enormous diplomatic pressure after the Sept. 11 attacks did Islamabad begin to sever its political and financial ties with the Taliban. Even now it is not certain that key members of Pakistan`s intelligence service have repudiated their Taliban clients.

Afghanistan is not the only place where Pakistani leaders have flirted with terrorist clients. Pakistan has also assisted rebel forces in Kashmir even though those groups have committed terrorist acts against civilians. And it should be noted that a disproportionate number of the extremist madrasas schools funded by the Saudis operate in Pakistan.

China`s offenses have been milder and more indirect than those of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Nevertheless, Beijing`s actions raise serious questions about whether its professed commitment to the campaign against international terrorism is genuine. For years, China has exported sensitive military technology to countries that have been sponsors of terrorism. Recipients of such sales include Iran, Iraq and Syria.

Even though Chinese leaders now say that they support the U.S.-led effort against terrorism, there is no evidence that Beijing is prepared to end its inappropriate exports. At the recent APEC summit, China`s President Jiang Zemin was notably noncommittal when President Bush sought such a commitment. Whenever the United States has brought up the exports issue, Chinese officials have sought to link a cutoff to a similar cutoff of U.S. military sales to Taiwan -- something that is unacceptable to Washington.

It is time for China, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia to prove by their deeds, not just their words, that they are serious about contributing to the campaign against international terrorism. In China`s case, that means ending all militarily relevant exports to regimes that have sponsored terrorism. In the cases of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, it means defunding terrorist organizations and the extremist ``schools`` that provide them with recruits. It also means severing ties with such terrorist movements as the Taliban and the Kashmiri insurgents. The world is watching the actions of all three countries.

Stuka,

You ultimately ignaore the fact the Sikhs have no allegiance with muslims. Khalistanis did in the 80`s and may still, but never the sikhs.

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Stuka: yeah I was stuck with some personal nuisance. Will be posting as time allows.

I love Malerkotlis. Very cool people. The great great grandson Nawab Sher Khan from Malerkotla was my class mate for few years. He had very Mangoloid features(from his mother side I think) but was a true Punjabi in and out. The few times I have been to Malerkotla, its bazars, population mix the city composition etc reminded me of the old Punjab told to me by my grandfather.

To the beat of Indian music, Afghans celebrated fall of Taliban

Across Afghanistan, they are celebrating. The men are queuing at the barbers to have their Taliban regulation-length beards shaved off. Children are flying kites and distributing sweets. Music, banned by the Taliban, is blaring out again, and Indian pop tunes and film songs fill the streets.

In the bazaar, Abdul Baseer was selling Indian cassettes. When the Taliban paid him a visit just over a year ago, they pulled the tape out of all his cassettes and hung it symbolically from the nearby trees. All he was allowed to sell were recitals of the Koran. Yesterday an old recording of Ahmad Zaheer, the great Afghan singer, echoed from Mr Baseer`s stall. ``Today I have drunk too much, let me dream my dream,`` he sang. ``Put me in a river of wine.`` All of Afghanistan was dreaming with him.

Indian films are very popular in Afghanistan in towns and cities where film theaters existed before Taliban took power: Kabul, Jalalabad, Qandahar, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Maimana, Kunduz, Pul-i-Khumri.

Now with the fall of Taliban Afghans want to know what was happening in Bollywood, Indian film industry. I asked him, ``How do you know so much about Indian film stars?`` ``We used to watch Hindi movies on video till the Taliban entered Kabul in September 1996. Even now people watch Hindi movies secretly. There is a huge underground network that distributes Hindi film videocassettes. It`s just like Pakistan, where Hindi films are popular. But the Taliban is very strict, and they often conduct raids in Kabul to search for persons watching Hindi movies. People, in spite of fearing terrible punishment, continue to secretively watch Hindi films because they need some entertainment.``

Traditional Afghan and Near-Eastern music were brought to the Indian subcontinent by Islamic rulers and strongly influenced the local classical music. The music of Afghanistan shows the impact of Indian film music, the popular music of neighboring Iran, which in its turn has absorbed Western styles. Yet despite the influences of these foreign styles, Afghan music has preserved its unique character.

The Afghan classical music is rooted from the Indian Classical Music. The Raag, Ghazal, Bhairavi, Khayal, Thumri style are the main types of classical music.

Dulla Bhatti:

Kiddan? Kithey gaye see?? Haven`t seen you around in a while... Look forward to seeing more of you ;)

Tibor:

My cultural affinity with Punjabi Muslims cames about at an individual level here in the states. But, beyond the individual level, there is culture in terms of music, literature, language etc. In those terms, all three communities, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus have contributed in good measure. You are right about Islam not having the plurality of Hinduism, but that`s their choice. That`s why, like I said before, I do not have a religious affinity with their religion, but so what?

BTW, there is one Tehsil in Indian Punjab called Malerkotla which was and still is a Muslim dominated area. When the Nawab of Sirhind ordered the execution of Guru Gobind Singhji`s sons upon their refusal to convert to Islam, the chieftain of Malerkotla, a Muslim, interceded on their behalf. Even though the intercession was not successful, and the Guru`s sons were executed, the grateful Sikhs promised eternal protection to the Muslims of Malerkotla. During partition, when Muslims were being slaughtered in east Punjab, the Sikhs remembered the promise made to the Malerkotla Muslims, and not a single Muslim of that Tehsil was harmed.

Santana Andre Montgomery Accepts Islam

Posted 10/23/2001

After studying Islam for many years, Montgomery, 27, a Support Engineer with Alcatel, declared the shahada last week at the ADAMS Center. His first acquaintance with Islam goes back many years. Subsequently, he stayed in Saudi Arabia in 1995-96 while he served in the army. There he had a first hand experience of how Islam was practiced.

Even though he was not a Muslim, he gave up some of the things that Islam prohibits while he studied Islam. ``I stopped eating pork twelve years ago``, he said. That is quite astonishing given the popularity of pork meat. He also virtually quit drinking.

What made him take the final step was the event of September 11. He initially felt angry like everyone else. He, however, then felt a change within him that completely turned him around. It was then that he decided to formally become a Muslim.

It was the peacefulness of Islam that attracted him, he said, contrary to the impression that September 11 leaves in many people`s mind. Further, in Islam he saw the fulfillment of his intellectual quest. ``There is nothing in Islam that cannot be explained``, he said.

Tadem,

I am very open to new concepts. Religion is evil, regardless of how it is used.

Hey Stuka, my original post was refered to Kafir, why did you jump in?

Stuka

“And you wish to tell me that I have delusions?? Get a grip. BTW, how do you know I am not Hindu? How do you know I am Sikh? You, in one go, lump all Muslims, all Hindus, All Sikhs (Non Khalistanis if you like) and put forth their biases according to your world view. And then you tell me I have delusions and imagine Hindus to be the cause of my problems?

I am a Punjabi Hindu BTW, but I have always gone to Gurudwaras as I prefer those to temples. That`s my personal choice. I do feel a Kinship with Sikhs that is cultural and religious. I also have a feeling of kinship with Punjabi Muslims that is cultural. My cultural kinship with anyone does not automatically translate in to hatred for a third party.”

Dude, you can’t quote me and then put forth a non-descriptive rhetorical question expecting me to read your mind. “And you wish to tell me that I have delusions??” I haven’t a clue of your intended sarcasm. What are you telling me? Did the wind of my logic elude you? If so, where?

Nice to know you are a Punjabi Hindu and as a Punjabi myself it if very fortifyed that you can go to a Gurudwara and still profess you Hindu identity, religion, affinity, etc. or whatever that makes you a hindu. Truth is you can go to a Gurudwara and evoke the name of any Hindu God, Ram, laksman, Shiv, Bhrama, any god you wish. Try doing that in a mosque and they will skin you alive for blasphemising the name of Ahalla. That is the difference between Punjabi Sikhs and Punjabi Muslims. That is the difference between a Punjabi Muslim and a Punjabi Sikh, non Khalaistani of course.

You feel cultural kinship to Punjabi muslims?????????? Are you a Paki Punjabi Hindus? I don’t know of any Punjabi Muslims left in Indian Punjab. On the other hand, if you are Indian Punjabi Hindu, were did you find Punjabi Muslims in India to develop the bonds of cultural kinship?

You accuse me of a close minded bigoted presumptive Kunt. In that regards you are both right and wrong. Yes I am making presumption regarding entire communities. Yes I do in a very racist aspect condemn an entire society. Hey, it is the same tactic Pakis use. “It is the evil Hindus……..Sikh and Muslim must stem the tide of evil Hindus….they are fascist, nazi, baniyas out to manipulate innocent Muslims. Sorry…….you will have to find sympathies elsewhere.

Stuka #173.

Good post. Go dude tell them like it is.

wassupppppp? I need to do some catching up.

``Most importantly, America must recognize that it is the superpower India, not the political and economic basket-case Pakistan, that is key to long-term peace and stability in South Asia, and perhaps even to a victory in the war on terrorism. With a solution to Kashmir unlikely, and a violent, perhaps even nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan a distinct possibility, America needs to think clearly about where its true long-term interests lie and the dangers posed by a Pakistan emboldened by another U.S. tilt.``

Stuka #173 ``My cultural kinship with anyone does not automatically translate in to hatred for a third party.``

Well said. Tibor: hope you are open to this new concept.

#150 quarterlane

You are the damsel rushing to rescue those in distress. Ice cream is supposed to calm you down when you`re angry. Ah, whatever.

I don`t understand gujurati BTW.

Tibor:

This is what you wrote:

Sikhs (the non-Khalistanis) have no differences Hindus (north or south) and the despise Muslims (north or south but Pakis especially.) Pakis should get reevaluate the delusion of Punjabi especially Sikh/Muslim brotherhood against Hindus. ``

And you wish to tell me that I have delusions?? Get a grip. BTW, how do you know I am not Hindu? How do you know I am Sikh? You, in one go, lump all Muslims, all Hindus, All Sikhs (Non Khalistanis if you like) and put forth their biases according to your world view. And then you tell me I have delusions and imagine Hindus to be the cause of my problems?

I am a Punjabi Hindu BTW, but I have always gone to Gurudwaras as I prefer those to temples. That`s my personal choice. I do feel a Kinship with Sikhs that is cultural and religious. I also have a feeling of kinship with Punjabi Muslims that is cultural. My cultural kinship with anyone does not automatically translate in to hatred for a third party.

semipreciousme #164
Thanks.
``i don’t know why everyone is making such a big deal out of this…when bbc asked the taliban ambassador to pak on his views about it he said war is war, ramzan or not…pretty pragmatic if you ask me…esp coming from a taliban..``

I wonder too. Everyday there is a statement quoting Musharraf asking for a pause, next day there is a US reply ``terrorists will not stop their terrorist acts against us during Ramzan`` , ``not possible to stop for Ramzan `` and the third day a quote from the Pakistani side that they have no problem with bombing during Ramzan. Ad nauseaum for 2-3 weeks now. I wonder whats really behind this public conversation.

Stuka

And what do you base your opnion on? Just because you wish to imagine the contirived enemy in and the source of not just all your ills but also the worlds eminating from the presence evil Hindus, your delusions are not going to come true. Your problems are you problems, caused and prepetuated you and you belief system.

Tibor:

``Sikhs (the non-Khalistanis) have no differences Hindus (north or south) and the despise Muslims (north or south but Pakis especially.) Pakis should get reevaluate the delusion of Punjabi especially Sikh/Muslim brotherhood against Hindus. ``

Tibor, it`s quite obvious that you haven`t met a single Sikh in your life. Llet it go..

Kafir K Khan (Post 145)

There is no difference between Taliban and Khalistanis other that the religion they profess to spew their filth and also that they are wholeheartedly supported by Pakistan. This just goes you to show the inherent evil of the Paki nation that supports all monsters in it vicinity.

Sikhs (the non-Khalistanis) have no differences Hindus (north or south) and the despise Muslims (north or south but Pakis especially.) Pakis should get reevaluate the delusion of Punjabi especially Sikh/Muslim brotherhood against Hindus.

By the way, Guru Teg Bahadur took up arms because Kashmiri Hindus ask for help against Muslim/Mugal atrocities in Kashmir, and he sacrificed his life for freedom, justice, and dignity of another religion.

You Muslim you wouldn`t lift a finger for a Kafir but then again you are busy killing, conquering and forcibly converting the Kafirs. You have only ever had the swords of brutality in your hands, scales of justice will just singe you should and cosign you to hell if they were deployed to assist people that profess another faith. Blasphemy you will scream.

Ethnic cleansings is something you excel in, just ask the Tajiks and Uzbeks in Talib/Paki controlled areas in N. Afghan; men and boys killed, women and girls taken to brothels and harems in Paki/Pushto lands.

Kashmir Kashmir. The first things these terrorists, Paki blood brother in fact Pakis for the most part, did was to force out the Hindus for the valley. Ethnic cleansing at a mass modern scale. This is a typical Muslim mode of operation, harass and kill minorities till they go extinct.

Guess what, Guru Teg Bahadur took up arms to protect Hindus in Kashmir and since Sikhs make huge portion of Indian army, Sikhs will continue to submit to there duties. The only difference is that before the tyrants and murderers were in Delhi, now they in Islamabad.

``A Journey into Mazar-e-Sharif

from BBC

Residents say Mazar-e-Sharif is calm, with some shops open and so far no sign of the bloodshed which marked previous takeovers of the city.

Some women are reported to have taken advantage of the lifting of restrictions imposed by the Taleban to discard their veils, while men wanting to shave their beards have formed queues at barber shops.

General Dostum said women in Mazar-e-Sharif would now be allowed to go out to work or study.``

(BBC, qouted by SameerJB)

So folks, where are those so called ATROCITIES?.

Whatever Northern Alliance was in the past this is how it is NOW.

Muslim girls are now FREE TO GO SCHOOL (howsoever STRANGE that phrase may sound to the outside world) -- it is delicious for the women of Afghanistan).

There is no looting, no vengeance killing, no thought police, no garment police, no namaz police, no beard police, no burqa police, no humiliating beating of burqa clad women on the streets for showing nail polish on their fingernails -- in Mazare Sharif.

There are NO ``atrocities`` being committed by the Northern Alliance anywhere -- and there will be --NONE in KABUL -- this is a hoax and a straw man raised by -- a Pakistani general in civilian garb with a two-faced ISI (not even under his control) -- whose ARMY imposed the biggest ATROCITY on Kabul -- the Talibans.

It was plain stupid for that neophyte (milk teethed) president george bush (with the on the job learner permit) -- to publicly ``advise`` Northen Alliance not to enter Kabul!!! – an extraordinary request from the President of the United States -- who is on one hand using the daisy cutter on the Talibans -- and next moment ``coddling`` them in Kabul.

What kind of mixed signal, confusing message is that for -- OUR ALLIES -- the Northern Alliance --who delivered MAZARE SHARIF on a platter to the President -- just in time for -- his ``triumphant” speech on combating terrorism in the UN.

The American Indians are right – the “white man” does speak with forked tongue.



AND -- WHY NOT KABUL -- NOW?

Strategically this is THE time to ENTER KABUL – when the Talibans are in disarray – in helter skelter retreat from the Northern providences --why should they be allowed to regroup for KABUL.

It will be an act of monumental strategic stupidity to allow the retreating Talibans – a Dunkirk in Kabul.

anarayan #163 ``Pakistani punjabis (muslim punjabis essentially) hate the hindu punjabis with a vengeance and vice-versa. `` You wish!! Is there anything you hope to achieve by trying to promote hatreds among people?? Or is it just part of your personality?

Sadna:

“Back to the present.

Is it likely that the Friday demonstrations in Pakistan may occur daily during Ramzan? Is this one reason for Musharraf to press for a pause in bombing during Ramzan?”

……i think that’s exactly why…during ramzan, almost every one prays regularly and mosque attendance is at its highest…aka get-pious syndrome..i don’t know why everyone is making such a big deal out of this…when bbc asked the taliban ambassador to pak on his views about it he said war is war, ramzan or not…pretty pragmatic if you ask me…esp coming from a taliban..

Re: #145

Kafir K khan,

``They are just like us because they are Punjabis. There is a special magenetism between Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis because of common language, food and care free mannerisms. This special bond is lacking between Pakistanis and South Indians.``

Khan Sahab, I don`t fully agree with you.

Pakistani punjabis (muslim punjabis essentially) hate the hindu punjabis with a vengeance and vice-versa. The very commonalities that you correctly point out is what puts the hatred into over-drive. Perhaps a psychologist could tell us the why and how of this.

South Indians are regarded as a separate and benign race by the Pakistani punjabis. Apart from the normal racial smugness, there is little in common between the two for the Pakistani punjabi to REALLY hate the southie.

It didn`t come as a surprise to me, during the kargil war, that Sq. Ldr. Ahuja was killed in cold blood by the pakistanis while Capt. Rao taken alive.

Just my opinion based on my observations.



regards,

A Journey into Mazar-e-Sharif

from BBC

Residents say Mazar-e-Sharif is calm, with some shops open and so far no sign of the bloodshed which marked previous takeovers of the city.

Some women are reported to have taken advantage of the lifting of restrictions imposed by the Taleban to discard their veils, while men wanting to shave their beards have formed queues at barber shops.

General Dostum said women in Mazar-e-Sharif would now be allowed to go out to work or study.

Bijli # 153

``Punjabis (all) dirty people``

Just like you are a numskull.

Semi # 146

That was great to hear, semi. The only way to keep religious fascism at bay is to be ready to fight for our liberties. We in India face many of the same troubles. My best wishes are with the silent majority in Pakistan which has decided to be silent no more.

nasah bhai,

I have changed my nick because I don`t wish to play silly games with morons whose life revolves around hacking into other people`s accounts.

Stuka, thanks, dude.

EK

EST Reply #: 153

BijIi

the worst nation of pakistan is Punjabi. they are all dirty people. Oh god please don`t give me birth in the house of punjabis in next life.

Punajbi dirty people.



ALL THE PROBLEM OF MUTIPLE NICKS & BLAMING OF STUDEBAKER IS DUE TO NEPTUNE.

AM I Sagph235 .Ask him & you will know this NEPTUNE Ba *stard And his ways with Samina shah & Scout & other girls .He knows he as a hindu has only talking to muslim girls his reason for being here .

CHOWK NOTE NEPTUNE HAS POSTED THIS POST .HE KNOWS THAT L & I WITH CAP IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY CHOWK FONT

anNy:

[and DAAAAAAAMN bilals hot]

Is Bilal s/o Anwar Maqsood? Has he done anything since ``sir kiye yeh pahar``

Semi

``A “Pakistan First” rally was recently organised at the Karachi Press Club. The crowd consisted of activists, professionals, business people, journalists, educators, musicians and men and women of letters. Amongst them were Rehana Saigol , Fatima Surraya Bajia , Bilal Maqsood , Sairah Irshad Khan , Hamid Maker , Zeenat Haroon , Laila Sarfaraz and Kamal Jabbar . ``

my office is right opposite the press club and almost every day the manhoos mullahs create the mother of all traffic jams with protests and police in great numbers..takes me an hour to get home...but these people did it brilliantly..no fazool demo`s and blocking of roads...i hung around for a bit and went home feeling all nice and warm..there ARE good people in my country and DAAAAAAAMN bilals hot ;)

Kafir K Khan:

Excellent post. Thank you.

soyabeenz

a tiny white tshirt i owned in college that stated `WHATEVER` in black comic sans fonts is what comes to mind

quarterlane aap kee saas

Great speech by George Bush at UN.

There is NO ``good terrorist``. Musharraf to take note.

We WILL rid Afghanistan of its Tormentors Taliban!

Dear Eklavya:

Stuka is rghtt , don`t worry -- ``the real you will always shine through your posts``

shammi #223 you write ``It was Vajpayee who went to Lahore and to the Minar-e-Pakistan, not Narasimha Rao or Indira Gandhi. `` Point well taken. And no doubt Kargil brought that peace effort to an end. However, after that the BJP government was content to paint Pakistan as an enemy country etc. and things have gone downhill from there. What it should have done I think, and should now be doing, is encourage steps being taken for the restoration of democracy in Pakistan (among other things, as I mentioned in my previous post to you below).

This, I may add, is basically what the US and EU are doing in dealing with Musharaff. It is, I think is a much more sensible approach than simply trying to get Pakistan labelled a terrorist state as the BJP government has been unsuccessfully trying to do ever since the military government took over. This is an incredibly small-minded way to look at things for democratic government of a huge country like India. All the BJP has accomplished (aside from whatever personal satisfaction they get from calling Pakistan names) is strengthen the voice of those who view India as Pakistan`s sworn enemy, and weaken the voice of those who seek peace and friendship with India.

from thefridaytimes.com

Iqbal Khattaksays Haq’s mission was doomed from day one



The slain Afghan commander Abdul Haq, who was ambushed and killed by Taliban fighters, was lured into Afghanistan by no less a person than Maulvi Kabir Ahmed, Taliban governor of Nangrahar and deputy chairman of the Taliban council of ministers. Sources say Maulvi Kabir invited Haq to hold peace talks with some Taliban commanders and depicted himself and others as “moderates” ready to defect. “Haq was squarely trapped by these people,” says an insider. Given Haq’s fate, most Afghan leaders in Peshawar are convinced now that the term “moderate Taliban” may be a misconception. “A mullah will remain a mullah. He cannot be a moderate. Haq was killed by these moderate mullahs,” Sayed Ishaq Gailani, chairman of National Solidarity Movement of Afghanistan, told TFT in an interview at his heavily-guarded house in Peshawar’s Hayatabad area. Gailani told TFT that Maulvi Kabir personally visited Haq and invited him to cross over into Afghanistan at the head of a peace delegation. “We should not talk more of moderates among the Taliban,” Gailani told TFT. Haq, a Pashtun anti-Taliban commander, was captured and executed last month after he crossed into Afghanistan October 19 along with 19 others through Parachinar in Pakistan’s North West Frontier Province. An Afghan source close to Haq’s family told TFT that the Taliban really worked hard on him. He (Haq) was absolutely convinced that his visit would begin the process of defections from the ruling Islamic militia and pave the way for the exiled king Zahir Shah’s return to the country. Gailani said the Taliban diplomats met him (Haq) “right here in Peshawar”. “Maulvi Najibullah, consul general at the Afghan Consulate in Peshawar, and a diplomat from the Taliban embassy in Islamabad had visited Haq. They insisted that he should come to Afghanistan to meet with more moderates. We now know it was a trap. Some of us tried to stop him but he went in,” another source told TFT. When TFT asked Gailani to corroborate this information, Gailani had this to say: “You are talking of Taliban diplomats’ meeting with Haq. As I told you, even Maulvi Kabir came personally to Peshawar to see him.” However, Gailani declined to give more details of the Taliban governor’s visit to Peshawar or when and where he had met Haq. In a way, Haq’s execution has dashed expectations that some moderates within the Taliban hierarchy might revolt against their supreme leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar. The Taliban sources reject the information as misleading and baseless that Maulvi Kabir and Pakistan-based Taliban diplomats had met with Haq. However, they concede that the governor’s emissary might have seen the executed commander. “His envoy is likely to have held talks with Haq, but not Maulvi Kabir himself,” a Taliban source told TFT. The source, a former commander, however, added that Haq’s execution on October 24 was not the work of Afghans. “When Haq was arrested he asked a Taliban guard to kill him before he is tortured to death, but the guard refused,” the source said, adding: “I was provided this information by his companions who were lucky to escape arrest and reached Peshawar.” Meanwhile, General Abdur Rahim Wardak, a famous Pashtun commander who fought Russians till their retreat in 1989 is being seen as the new man in after Haq’s death. Wardak served in the Afghan army during Zahir Shah’s rule until 1973. He has been shuttling between Peshawar and Islamabad since Haq’s death and observers say is involved in planning military operations against the Taliban. Wardak, who has studied in the US and England, is respected by the Americans and the Pakistanis. “His presence is an open secret. He will be talking to [Afghan] commanders to lead an armed struggle against the Taliban,” an insider told TFT, saying he is close to the US, Pakistan and Zahir Shah. During the Afghn jihad, Wardak was head of the National Islamic Front of Afghanistan, led by Pir Sayed Ahmed Gailani. He commands respect among other commanders for his military skills. His father was also a military general during Zahir Shah’s rule. On the political front, the arrival of Abdul Samad Hamid in Islamabad on a special invitation by Pakistan suggests that anti-Taliban actions are picking up steam. Hamid was deputy prime minister during the king’s rule and enjoys great deal of support from all players in the new Afghan game. “His presence is something special,” commented an Afghan observer.

from thefridaytimes.com

Pakistan first and foremost

The silent majority have tried to make their point in Pakistan’s cities, notably Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad, in support of President Musharraf’s decision to put Pakistan first by joining the international coalition against terrorism. Rallies have been organised with stirring speeches from participants but the foreign news media are only interested in wild, rampaging crowds with flowing beards, effigies of President Bush in hand and hatred in their hearts. However, let it not be said that representatives of the silent majority failed to make their point. A “Pakistan First” rally was recently organised at the Karachi Press Club. The crowd consisted of activists, professionals, business people, journalists, educators, musicians and men and women of letters. Amongst them were Rehana Saigol , Fatima Surraya Bajia , Bilal Maqsood , Sairah Irshad Khan , Hamid Maker , Zeenat Haroon , Laila Sarfaraz and Kamal Jabbar .

#141 quarterlane

``ah yes. lets all gang up on him again``

Sure. You go first.

soyasauce

ah yes. lets all gang up on him again.

btw, apparently there are still Asoka pillars from BC at various locations in Afghanistan, the writings advise the readers on matters such as the conduct of civil society.

Sometimes its hard to tell whether we have really progressed since BC.

Back to the present.
Is it likely that the Friday demonstrations in Pakistan may occur daily during Ramzan? Is this one reason for Musharraf to press for a pause in bombing during Ramzan?

Soyasauce:

``I can almost picture ali1 ribbing his khalistani buddies in chico after they have smoked a few joints together - we hung the body parts of your gurus from meat hooks after we cut off their heads yukyukyuk...``

I dunno about Chico, but I have a lot of Khalistani friends in Boston. If he said something like this to their face, well, the Kirpan would be used to cut of a vital part of his body and hang it from his mouth.

Eklavya:

Dude, don`t worry about it. I read the post and knew it wasn`t you, as I am sure everyone who`s a regular poster here did too.

Ultimately a handle is just that, a handle. It`s the posts that count and the real you will always shine through your posts.

MAZARE SHARIF MAZARE SHARIF MAZARE SHARIF

LIBERATED LIBERATED LIBERATED

BEGINNING OF THE END OF SCOURGE CALLED TALIBANS

Thank you George Bush!!

Thank you Northern Alliance!!!

Thank you our American Pilots!!!!

For liberating the WOMEN OF MAZARE SHARIF.

GOD BLESS AMERICA

#100 stuka

I can almost picture ali1 ribbing his khalistani buddies in chico after they have smoked a few joints together - we hung the body parts of your gurus from meat hooks after we cut off their heads yukyukyuk...

But he is definitely not humored when it`s pointed out to him that his name in tamil means ``eunuch`` the improbable coincidence of which you`d think he`d appreciate given his anal fixation.

re: # 134

Chowk managers, please STOP it!

You ba *tard, whoever you are, you are worse than vermin. You must be the same mof who sent me that email. You know what, you are a coward, a bloody coward. If you picked on me at random, YOU go and die like a pitiful leach that you are. If you have got problems with me, come, let`s sort them out. I have dealt with asses like you. I will give you my real address. Let`s see what blades you have, you moron.

Gowardhan, I am assuming it is not you. I really am mad as hell, so you had better not be.

Kill Pakis

Hehehehehehe Nobody can touch me. Mera nam sharp, sharpblade.Pakis are Kafirs.Pakis be afraid.

Nazis and Bush family history:



Government investigated Bush family`s financing of Hitler

By Carla Binion





December 21, 2000 | This article on Nazis in the Republican party was originally published in Online Journal on 1/28/00. However, the following includes additional information regarding George H. W. Bush`s father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert (Bert) Walker, and the fact that the U. S. government investigated their financing of Adolf Hitler.

One book referenced here, Christopher Simpson`s ``Blowback,`` was praised by journalist Seymour Hersh as ``the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking.`` Nora Levin, Director, Holocaust Archive, Gratz College, said ``The full story of this country`s shameful, cynical collaboration with Nazi criminals has not been told until now with the publication of Simpson`s book.`` Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman said, `Blowback` is a must read for anyone who wants to understand postwar policy on Nazi war criminals and the cold war.``

In another Simpson book, ``The Splendid Blonde Beast,`` the author wrote about George H. W. Bush`s father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush were powerful financial supporters of Adolf Hitler.

Walker was president of Union Banking Corporation, a firm that traded with Germany and helped German industrialists consolidate Hitler`s political power. Simpson says Union Banking became a Nazi money-laundering machine.

Walker helped take over North American operations of Hamburg-Amerika Line, a shipping line and cover for I. G. Farben`s Nazi espionage unit in the U. S. Hamburg-Amerika smuggled in German agents, and brought in money for bribing American politicians to support Hitler. A 1934 congressional investigation showed Hamburg-Amerika subsidized Nazi propaganda efforts in the U. S.

George H. W. Bush`s father, Prescott, was a board member of Union Banking and a senior partner in a Union Banking affiliate—the investment firm Brown Brothers, Harriman. The U. S. government investigated both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush, and under the Trading with the Enemy Act seized all shares of Union Banking, including shares held by Prescott Bush. The government held that ``huge sections of Prescott Bush`s empire had been operated on behalf of Nazi Germany and had greatly assisted the German war effort.``

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in ``Blowback`` that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U. S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions in the Republican Party`s ``ethnic outreach committees.`` Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the Republican Party.

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll ``for their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare,`` among other purposes. The most important Nazi employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler`s most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After Germany`s defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U. S. certain concessions in exchange for his own protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.

Journalist Russ Bellant (``Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party``) shows that Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate Hungary`s Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week, disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The article prompted six leaders of Bush`s coalition to resign.

According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:

(1) Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council`s executive director, and head of ``Bulgarians for Bush.`` Slavoff was a member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust denier, Austin App.

(2) Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of ``Romanians for Bush.`` Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.

(3) Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.

(4) Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.

(5) Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP`s Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi groups.

(6) Bohdan Fedorak, leader of ``Ukranians for Bush.`` Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish wartime pogroms.

The Philadelphia Inquirer ran an article on the Bush team`s inclusion of Nazis (David Lee Preston, ``Fired Bush backer one of several with possible Nazi links,`` September 10, 1988.) The newspaper also ran an investigative series on Nazi members of the Bush coalition. The articles confirmed that the Bush team included members listed by Russ Bellant.

Journalist Martin A. Lee, has written for The Nation, Rolling Stone, The San Francisco Chronicle, and other publications. In ``The Beast Reawakens,`` Lee confirms that during both the Reagan and Bush years, the Republican Party`s ethnic outreach arm recruited members from the Nazi émigré network.

Lee says that the Republican Party`s ethnic outreach division had an outspoken hatred of President Jimmy Carter`s Office of Special Investigations (OSI), an organization dedicated to tracking down and prosecuting Nazi war collaborators who entered this country illegally. Former Republican Pat Buchanan attacked Carter`s OSI after it deported a few suspected Nazi war criminals.

According to Lee, public relations man Harold Keith Thompson was principal U.S. point man for the postwar Nazi support network known as die Spinne, or the Spider. In the late 40s and early 50s, Thompson worked as the chief North American representative for the remaining National Socialist German Worker`s Party and the SS. Lee writes that the wealthy Thompson gave generously to Republican candidates Senator Jesse Helms and would-be senator Oliver North. Thompson`s money gained him membership in the GOP`s Presidential Legion of Merit. Lee says Thompson also ``received numerous thank-you letters from the Republican National Committee.`` Those letters are now in the Hoover Institution Special Collections Library.

Christopher Simpson writes in ``Blowback`` that in 1983, Ronald Reagan presented a Medal of Freedom, the country`s highest civilian honor, to CIA émigré program consultant James Burnham. Burnham was a psychological warfare consultant who promoted something called ``liberationism.`` Just before the 1952 election, the CIA worked up a multimillion-dollar public relations campaign aimed at selling Americans on expanding cold war activities in Europe. Part of the guiding theory (given the name ``liberationism``) was the idea that certain Nazi leaders from World War II should be brought in as ``freedom fighters`` against the USSR.

Reagan said that Burnham`s ideas on liberation ``profoundly affected the way America views itself and the world,`` adding, ``I owe [Burnham] a personal debt, because throughout the years of traveling on the mashed-potato circuit I have quoted [him] widely.`` Reagan may not have known Burnham`s theories were based on his work on projects that enlisted many Nazi collaborators, but it seems that Reagan`s CIA Director Casey or former CIA Director, Vice President George Bush, would have informed him.

At a May 9, 1984 press conference, Simon Wiesenthal said, ``Nazi criminals were the principal beneficiaries of the Cold War.`` The cold war mentality, hyped by Reinhard Gehlen and other Nazis, became the shelter for tens of thousands of Nazi criminals. Helping the far right in this country to promote cold war hysteria became the Nazi war criminals ``reason for being.`` As Christopher Simpson says, the cold war became those criminals` means ``to avoid responsibility for the murders they had committed.``

Journalist Seymour Hersh says Christopher Simpson`s ``Blowback`` is ``the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking, in which some of our most respected statesmen made shameful decisions that they mistakenly believed to be justified.`` To this day, says Simpson, the U. S. intelligence agencies hide the scope of their post-World War II collaboration with Nazi criminals.

Are Republicans like George H. W. Bush, Oliver North, and Jesse Helms aware they have been assisted by Nazi collaborators? Bush once worked for the CIA and should have known about the nature of the Nazis in his `88 campaign. No doubt he knows the history of Nazi/CIA collaboration. Whether or not Bush knew of the fascists` involvement in his campaign, the Republican Party should have done a far better screening job. One thing is certain: The intelligence agencies know the scope and extent of Nazi involvement with the political right in this country. It is a shame they keep it hidden from the majority of the American people.









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Bijli Reply #110

I have said that No Pakhtun and Punjabi

Just LA ILA HA ILALAHU MUHAMMADUR RASOOL ALLAH.

THEY ALL WERE MUSLIMS WHO IS IQBAL WHO CAN SAY THAT HE/SHE IS MUSLIM OR NOT.

ALLAH KNOWS BETTER

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Media Watchdog Condemns `War Against Islam` Statement By US General.



United Kingdom - 2 November, 2001 (PRN) IslamicSpeakers.org, the international Muslim media watchdog run by Western citizens, condemned as fascist the statement by US General Wesley Clark, that the US war against terrorism ``was a war over Islam`` that would define Islam ``as either a peaceful or militant`` force in society. General Wesley K. Clark was previously NATO`s Supreme Allied Commander Europe.

David Pidcock,[a white Muslim!]the body`s spokesman condemned the statement as outright fascism. The statement was aired on BBC World`s Hardtalk programme on 29/10/2001.

``This sort of supremacist statement would not be accepted in the West about Christianity or Judaism, in spite of the fact both these faiths have their own fair share of terrorist organizations, most of which have targeted western citizens,`` noted Pidcock.

``It is most disturbing to hear this public display of US extremism, that many now believe permeates the highest levels of US officialdom. Indeed, we see this statement as highly hypocritical coming from a man who directed most of the infamous U.S. military activities and interests in Latin America as well as commanding three companies in combat during Vietnam,`` added Pidcock.

IslamicSpeakers.org is campaigning to enlighten fellow westerners on the historical roots of terrorism as a modern phenomenon. The body sees the roots of this modern scourge beginning in 19th Century Europe, with the spread of secular materialist philosophy. They point out that secular fanaticism has resulted in disaster for humanity with violent ideologies such as racism, fascism, colonialism, communism, zionism and many other cruel secular world views based on conflict drawing strength from Europe`s materialist philosophy.

Darwin proposed that the `fight for survival` also applied between human races. According to that claim, `favoured races` were victorious in the struggle. Favoured races, in Darwin`s view, were white Europeans. African or Asian races had lagged behind in the struggle for survival. Darwin went further, and suggested that these races would soon lose the `struggle for survival` entirely, and thus disappear: ``At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the ``civilized`` races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace the ``savage`` races throughout the world,`` states Darwin in his book subtitled ``The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life``.

``The problem is that with the spread of Darwinism and the materialist philosophy it supports, the answer to the question `What is a human being?` has changed. People who used to answer: `Human beings were created by God and have to live according to the morality He teaches` have now begun to think that `Man came into being by chance, and is an animal who developed with the fight for survival,`` confirms Pidcock.



Source: PRN

Just one example. The US government hijacked an election in Nicuarauga this

last week. GW Bush`s own brother mailed a loaded threat to the entire

country to either stand with the US by voting for the chosen US candidate,

or face the consequences. I am sure most of you did not hear this, but it

happened. Please imagine if the leader of Nicuaragua told every American to

vote for some bozo who would ruin this country, or else face the wrath of

the mightiest milititary in the world.

Zafar and Subroto,

You guys calling Islam a religion fit for the dinosaurs? /:o(

Alright, just kidding :)

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Killing American troops is `sawab`

Quoted in Ausaf, Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani of JUP said that all Pakistanis who see American troops anywhere should immediately kill them. If they do so, they will be given sawab (divine reward). He said that this activity of killing the Americans was made farz (duty) by Allah of which he had knowledge. He said in the 12th century AD, Salahuddin Ayubi was Islam`s hero; today it was Osama bin Laden.

Aitchisonians condemn America!

Editor Hamid Mir of Ausaf wrote in his column that CNN reporter Christiane Amanpour was greatly disabused when she interviewed children from Aitchison College Lahore and heard them say that America was unreliable and had eaten up Pakistan`s money which it had paid for the F-16s. They said they condemned the 11 September attack but would condemn Osama bin Laden only when they saw the proof that he had been guilty. The editor asked General Musharraf to add the boys to the 10 percent extremists who oppose him.

Jaish changes name!

According to Ausaf banned organisation Jaish-e-Muhammad led by Osama`s associate Maulana Masood Azhar had changed its name to Tahreekul Furqan. Jaish was created out of Harkat al-Mujahideen which was earlier Harkatul Ansar but was declared terrorist by the United States. Maulana Masood Azhar will be convener of the Tahreekul Furqan while the most powerful Deobandi cleric Mufti Shamzai will be its patron. The change of name was carried out because of the fear that Pakistan would confiscate the accounts of Jaish after Washington declared it terrorist.

Historian gets it wrong!

Famous historian Dr Safdar Mehmood writing in Jang said that an Indian patriot killed the butcher of Jallianwala Bagh, General Dyer, in Britain and was called a terrorist by the British government although for the Indian masses he was a hero. The truth is that Udham Singh did not assassinate General Reginald Dyer in London many years after his killing of hundreds of innocent people in Amritsar. Dyer had meanwhile died as a consequence of high blood pressure. The man Udham Singh killed was Sir Michael O`Dwyer who was governor of Punjab at the time his corps commander Julundhar, Dyer, did his sorry deed in Jallianwala Bagh.

Ads with women not allowed!

According to Khabrain, during a pro-Taliban protest march in Lahore, the processionists blacked out all the women on the hoardings on the city roads with paint and wrote Jehad Jamaat Islami on top to show their anger at the use of women in fuhush (obscene) advertisements.

He is mine!

According to Khabrain, poetess Rukhsana Nazi said that politician Malik Ghulam Mustafa Khar was a charming person who could possess any woman he liked. She said that once when he gave her his calling card another woman started fighting with her saying, `He is mine`.

Bush will leave office!

Daily Khabrain quoted a number of astrologers, including a lady called M.M. Bengalan, as saying that Osama would attack America next year too and that he would not be killed because he is protected with ghaibi taqat (invisible power). He would return to an Arab country after a successful war against America. Astrologer Sheikh Tariq Iqbal said in daily Pakistan that after November 15 the American invasion of Afghanistan will bog down and the decline and fall of President Bush will begin. After the American troops run away from Afghanistan, Bush will leave presidency. According to the astrologer, Mulla Umar will be in great difficulty and might even give way to a new government, but if he survived 2001, then victory would be his in the following years.

New justice in Sindh

According to Juhud-e-Haq monthly one Sardar Sher Muhammad Rind hands down novel verdicts for people living on his land. One Yusuf Rind went to the house of Mirza Rind and tried to rape his wife. Sher Muhammad Rind arranged for Yusuf to walk on fire. Before walking on fire, Yusuf`s feet were covered with blood of goat. After walking on fire, his feet were examined and were found unburnt. Yusuf was let go free because of the miracle. On other occasions, Sardar Sher Muhammad had thrown people into a tank full of crocodiles and if the culprit was not eaten up he was allowed to go free.

Have gun will travel!

According to Juhud-e-Haq, Darra Adam Khel of Pakistan`s Tribal Area had 40,000 families linked to the industry of making guns. Children were either not allowed to go to school or were inducted into manufacture of guns after school hours. After two years, all children became expert gun makers and got Rs 20 per day as salary. The tribes living in Darra Adam Khel are Zughunkhel, Akhurwal, Sheraki, Turchapar and Boshnikhel. Other trades included opium, heroin and alcohol. All boys stopped education after primary school. They also travelled with trucks and sometimes ended up in Karachi.

Sectarian mayhem in Karachi

Monthly Juhud-e-Haq gave the following account of sectarian killings in Karachi in which 14 people were killed in two months, August and September 2001. August 3, Dawat Islami (Barelvi Green Turbans) member Yusuf was killed while hoisting party flag. August 9, a Shia was killed in Eidgah area. August 13, three members of Dawat Islami (Barelvi Green Turban) were gunned down. The same day Qayyum Baba was killed in Orangi. The same day MQM`s Nasiruddin was killed. August 19 Dr Riaz, prominent Shia doctor, was done to death. August 21 Shia Jinn Baba Pir was killed. On August 24 Sikandar Awan was killed in Landhi while on September 10 Altaf Hussain was killed on University Road. On September 3, Allama Ali Hasnain Naqvi was shot near Arshi Cinema. On 12 September Maulana Razi Haider Naqvi was killed on Mehreen Chowk. He and his son were shot. On first September three people were killed the same day. Most of the people killed were Shia.

Mulla Umar will die!

Astrologer Mutiur Rehman speaking to daily Pakistan said that America will conquer Afghanistan and Mulla Umar will become shaheed while Osama bin Laden will escape. A lot of Americans will get killed, but Pakistan will come out of the crisis unharmed. Astrologer Fazal Karim said Osama will also become shaheed betrayed by a close friend with light eyes, black beard and a mole on his face. A girl will also become informer on him.

Masood Azhar flees Bahawalpur

According to Nawa-e-Waqt, chief of Jaish-e-Muhammad, renamed Tahreekul Furqan, Maulana Masood Azhar left his home in Bahawalpur along with his brother for an unknown destination. His militia`s name had already been changed by his patron Mufti Shamzai of Banuri Mosque in Karachi. His brother had participated in the hijacking of an aircraft that had led to Masood Azhar`s release from an Indian jail.

Where did the dollars go?

According to Jang, 60 billion dollars came into Pakistan during the last Afghan war but no one knew how the money was spent. The dollars poured in from the US, Saudi Arabia, the UAE and the rich Arabs to fund the Afghan jehad. The question is what will happen to the money that Pakistan will get this time around for joining the world coalition against terrorism?

Osama is no prophet!

Quoted in Ausaf Allama Tahirul Qadiri said that Osama bin Laden was no prophet that millions should die for him. He said American attack on the cities of Afghanistan was no terrorism, and if the Afghan civilians were dying the fault was Mulla Umar`s. He said it was no jehad to blow up buildings and kill innocent people in America. Ausaf also reported Dr Israr Ahmad from Lahore that after America`s attack on Afghanistan the qital (massacre) of Americans and the British had become farz (obligatory) on the Muslims.

Taliban and royal ladies

Editor Ausaf Hamid Mir wrote in his column that great Pakistani soldier of Islam active in Herat Colonel (Retd) Sultan Amir Imam (once Pakistan`s consul general in Herat but now fighting for Taliban on his own) told him that the ladies of the royal family of Afghanistan resident in Herat told him that while they used the veil in front of all men they did not do so in front of the Taliban boys because they were so pious. They said if the Taliban went away the old mujahideen will return to dishonour them.

Gailani`s infamous commander

Revealed by editor Ausaf in his column, Pir Syed Ahmad Gailani, a leader of the old Afghan jehad was putting together an anti-Taliban moderate leadership in Peshawar. This was understandable because he hated the Taliban because Mulla Umar had put one of his right hand man Gul Agha to death because Gul was found to have married a boy in Kandahar and had spread havoc in the city with his homosexual pursuits.

Moderate plots against Taliban

According to Ausaf, moderate Afghans were busy plotting against the Taliban in the various cities of Pakistan. Pir Gailani and Commander Abdul Haq were active in Peshawar and Gul Shirazi in Quetta were spearheading this conspiracy and were spreading rumours that foreign minister Vakil Ahmad Mutawakkil and Maulvi Abdul Kabir had turned moderate and were joining the anti-Taliban movement.

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Re Zafar 125

``but already have one question re: your introduction above. Iss ka mathlab yeh hai ke Jay ko Mughal kah sakthe hain?``

Yeh baat shayad Harry Potter bata payega, after all only he knows... Ooops, sorry I thought you meant ``Muggles``.

Anyway reading Jay`s posts and his secular, tolerant vision I am convinced you are on the right track.

Subroto

2 hours to go, and then I am free.....Alvida chowkies hum chutti pay ja rehe hain.. ab Dilli is no more door ast, well 16hrs travel time but....

Reply Subroto # 104

“Zafar bhai, aap Roachistan ki history mangen aur hum na batayan, aisa kaise ho sakta hai. Mainly confusion aata hai due to our lack of knowledge of our proud Roachi past. As you have pointed out ``I heard that they were Malayalis, but the word was shortened because it was difficult for North Indians to pronounce``. This is partly correct, for they followed the matriarchical traditions of the Malayalis, and because revisionists have taken over the historians we have missed out on our knowledge of Sherni Khanum Churi.”

Subrotojee, main aap ke paon chhootha hoon. I am still busy memorising your Sherninamah, but already have one question re: your introduction above. Iss ka mathlab yeh hai ke Jay ko Mughal kah sakthe hain?

Respectfully

Zafar

Reply Zico # 106

[NEWSFLASH:

A reputable Islamic source has successfully proven that the Jews were responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. ``It was a Zionist plot to crash an asteroid to the Earth`` said a Muslim cleric in Lahore. ``We have documentary evidence of Mossads involvment``. Mullah Tyrannosaur Khan of Multan Madrassah said ``The dinosaurs were on the verge of accepting Islam``.]

I am still stunned from falling off my chair laughing. Kya yeh bhi mossad ka plot thha?

re: Stuka

``Secondly, Ruling Delhi is not the same as ruling India. Guru Tegh Bahadurji was martyred in Delhi, yes ...``

I was refering to post-47 Indian govts., but never mind, it was just a comment.

Re Banjara # 109

``You BJP revisionists are trying to change our great hisstory``

BJP Revisionist? History of Rochistan may yeh khakhi chaddi wale kahan aa gaye? Yahan hum sub colour blind hain, aur Rabri Devi kay bajay sirf Rabri & Maalpua ko mante hain.

Jai Roachistan

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Subroto

What a refreshing report!

By Robert Fisk

Robert Fisk:Hypocrisy, hatred and the war on terror

[`If the US attacks were an assault on ``civilisation``, why shouldn`t Muslims regard the Afganistan attack as a war on Islam?`

08 November 2001]



``Air campaign``? ``Coalition forces``? ``War on terror``? How much longer must we go on enduring these lies? There is no ``campaign`` – merely an air bombardment of the poorest and most broken country in the world by the world`s richest and most sophisticated nation. No MiGs have taken to the skies to do battle with the American B-52s or F-18s. The only ammunition soaring into the air over Kabul comes from Russian anti-aircraft guns manufactured around 1943.

Coalition? Hands up who`s seen the Luftwaffe in the skies over Kandahar, or the Italian air force