A Journey Into Afghanistan

Re: #145

Kafir K khan,

``They are just like us because they are Punjabis. There is a special magenetism between Pakistani Punjabis and Indian Punjabis because of common language, food and care free mannerisms. This special bond is lacking between Pakistanis and South Indians.``

Khan Sahab, I don`t fully agree with you.

Pakistani punjabis (muslim punjabis essentially) hate the hindu punjabis with a vengeance and vice-versa. The very commonalities that you correctly point out is what puts the hatred into over-drive. Perhaps a psychologist could tell us the why and how of this.

South Indians are regarded as a separate and benign race by the Pakistani punjabis. Apart from the normal racial smugness, there is little in common between the two for the Pakistani punjabi to REALLY hate the southie.

It didn`t come as a surprise to me, during the kargil war, that Sq. Ldr. Ahuja was killed in cold blood by the pakistanis while Capt. Rao taken alive.

Just my opinion based on my observations.



regards,

Sadna:

“Back to the present.

Is it likely that the Friday demonstrations in Pakistan may occur daily during Ramzan? Is this one reason for Musharraf to press for a pause in bombing during Ramzan?”

……i think that’s exactly why…during ramzan, almost every one prays regularly and mosque attendance is at its highest…aka get-pious syndrome..i don’t know why everyone is making such a big deal out of this…when bbc asked the taliban ambassador to pak on his views about it he said war is war, ramzan or not…pretty pragmatic if you ask me…esp coming from a taliban..

anarayan #163 ``Pakistani punjabis (muslim punjabis essentially) hate the hindu punjabis with a vengeance and vice-versa. `` You wish!! Is there anything you hope to achieve by trying to promote hatreds among people?? Or is it just part of your personality?

``A Journey into Mazar-e-Sharif

from BBC

Residents say Mazar-e-Sharif is calm, with some shops open and so far no sign of the bloodshed which marked previous takeovers of the city.

Some women are reported to have taken advantage of the lifting of restrictions imposed by the Taleban to discard their veils, while men wanting to shave their beards have formed queues at barber shops.

General Dostum said women in Mazar-e-Sharif would now be allowed to go out to work or study.``

(BBC, qouted by SameerJB)

So folks, where are those so called ATROCITIES?.

Whatever Northern Alliance was in the past this is how it is NOW.

Muslim girls are now FREE TO GO SCHOOL (howsoever STRANGE that phrase may sound to the outside world) -- it is delicious for the women of Afghanistan).

There is no looting, no vengeance killing, no thought police, no garment police, no namaz police, no beard police, no burqa police, no humiliating beating of burqa clad women on the streets for showing nail polish on their fingernails -- in Mazare Sharif.

There are NO ``atrocities`` being committed by the Northern Alliance anywhere -- and there will be --NONE in KABUL -- this is a hoax and a straw man raised by -- a Pakistani general in civilian garb with a two-faced ISI (not even under his control) -- whose ARMY imposed the biggest ATROCITY on Kabul -- the Talibans.

It was plain stupid for that neophyte (milk teethed) president george bush (with the on the job learner permit) -- to publicly ``advise`` Northen Alliance not to enter Kabul!!! – an extraordinary request from the President of the United States -- who is on one hand using the daisy cutter on the Talibans -- and next moment ``coddling`` them in Kabul.

What kind of mixed signal, confusing message is that for -- OUR ALLIES -- the Northern Alliance --who delivered MAZARE SHARIF on a platter to the President -- just in time for -- his ``triumphant” speech on combating terrorism in the UN.

The American Indians are right – the “white man” does speak with forked tongue.



AND -- WHY NOT KABUL -- NOW?

Strategically this is THE time to ENTER KABUL – when the Talibans are in disarray – in helter skelter retreat from the Northern providences --why should they be allowed to regroup for KABUL.

It will be an act of monumental strategic stupidity to allow the retreating Talibans – a Dunkirk in Kabul.

Kafir K Khan (Post 145)

There is no difference between Taliban and Khalistanis other that the religion they profess to spew their filth and also that they are wholeheartedly supported by Pakistan. This just goes you to show the inherent evil of the Paki nation that supports all monsters in it vicinity.

Sikhs (the non-Khalistanis) have no differences Hindus (north or south) and the despise Muslims (north or south but Pakis especially.) Pakis should get reevaluate the delusion of Punjabi especially Sikh/Muslim brotherhood against Hindus.

By the way, Guru Teg Bahadur took up arms because Kashmiri Hindus ask for help against Muslim/Mugal atrocities in Kashmir, and he sacrificed his life for freedom, justice, and dignity of another religion.

You Muslim you wouldn`t lift a finger for a Kafir but then again you are busy killing, conquering and forcibly converting the Kafirs. You have only ever had the swords of brutality in your hands, scales of justice will just singe you should and cosign you to hell if they were deployed to assist people that profess another faith. Blasphemy you will scream.

Ethnic cleansings is something you excel in, just ask the Tajiks and Uzbeks in Talib/Paki controlled areas in N. Afghan; men and boys killed, women and girls taken to brothels and harems in Paki/Pushto lands.

Kashmir Kashmir. The first things these terrorists, Paki blood brother in fact Pakis for the most part, did was to force out the Hindus for the valley. Ethnic cleansing at a mass modern scale. This is a typical Muslim mode of operation, harass and kill minorities till they go extinct.

Guess what, Guru Teg Bahadur took up arms to protect Hindus in Kashmir and since Sikhs make huge portion of Indian army, Sikhs will continue to submit to there duties. The only difference is that before the tyrants and murderers were in Delhi, now they in Islamabad.

Tibor:

``Sikhs (the non-Khalistanis) have no differences Hindus (north or south) and the despise Muslims (north or south but Pakis especially.) Pakis should get reevaluate the delusion of Punjabi especially Sikh/Muslim brotherhood against Hindus. ``

Tibor, it`s quite obvious that you haven`t met a single Sikh in your life. Llet it go..

Stuka

And what do you base your opnion on? Just because you wish to imagine the contirived enemy in and the source of not just all your ills but also the worlds eminating from the presence evil Hindus, your delusions are not going to come true. Your problems are you problems, caused and prepetuated you and you belief system.

semipreciousme #164
Thanks.
``i don’t know why everyone is making such a big deal out of this…when bbc asked the taliban ambassador to pak on his views about it he said war is war, ramzan or not…pretty pragmatic if you ask me…esp coming from a taliban..``

I wonder too. Everyday there is a statement quoting Musharraf asking for a pause, next day there is a US reply ``terrorists will not stop their terrorist acts against us during Ramzan`` , ``not possible to stop for Ramzan `` and the third day a quote from the Pakistani side that they have no problem with bombing during Ramzan. Ad nauseaum for 2-3 weeks now. I wonder whats really behind this public conversation.

Tibor:

This is what you wrote:

Sikhs (the non-Khalistanis) have no differences Hindus (north or south) and the despise Muslims (north or south but Pakis especially.) Pakis should get reevaluate the delusion of Punjabi especially Sikh/Muslim brotherhood against Hindus. ``

And you wish to tell me that I have delusions?? Get a grip. BTW, how do you know I am not Hindu? How do you know I am Sikh? You, in one go, lump all Muslims, all Hindus, All Sikhs (Non Khalistanis if you like) and put forth their biases according to your world view. And then you tell me I have delusions and imagine Hindus to be the cause of my problems?

I am a Punjabi Hindu BTW, but I have always gone to Gurudwaras as I prefer those to temples. That`s my personal choice. I do feel a Kinship with Sikhs that is cultural and religious. I also have a feeling of kinship with Punjabi Muslims that is cultural. My cultural kinship with anyone does not automatically translate in to hatred for a third party.

#150 quarterlane

You are the damsel rushing to rescue those in distress. Ice cream is supposed to calm you down when you`re angry. Ah, whatever.

I don`t understand gujurati BTW.

Stuka #173 ``My cultural kinship with anyone does not automatically translate in to hatred for a third party.``

Well said. Tibor: hope you are open to this new concept.

``Most importantly, America must recognize that it is the superpower India, not the political and economic basket-case Pakistan, that is key to long-term peace and stability in South Asia, and perhaps even to a victory in the war on terrorism. With a solution to Kashmir unlikely, and a violent, perhaps even nuclear confrontation between India and Pakistan a distinct possibility, America needs to think clearly about where its true long-term interests lie and the dangers posed by a Pakistan emboldened by another U.S. tilt.``

Stuka #173.

Good post. Go dude tell them like it is.

wassupppppp? I need to do some catching up.

Stuka

“And you wish to tell me that I have delusions?? Get a grip. BTW, how do you know I am not Hindu? How do you know I am Sikh? You, in one go, lump all Muslims, all Hindus, All Sikhs (Non Khalistanis if you like) and put forth their biases according to your world view. And then you tell me I have delusions and imagine Hindus to be the cause of my problems?

I am a Punjabi Hindu BTW, but I have always gone to Gurudwaras as I prefer those to temples. That`s my personal choice. I do feel a Kinship with Sikhs that is cultural and religious. I also have a feeling of kinship with Punjabi Muslims that is cultural. My cultural kinship with anyone does not automatically translate in to hatred for a third party.”

Dude, you can’t quote me and then put forth a non-descriptive rhetorical question expecting me to read your mind. “And you wish to tell me that I have delusions??” I haven’t a clue of your intended sarcasm. What are you telling me? Did the wind of my logic elude you? If so, where?

Nice to know you are a Punjabi Hindu and as a Punjabi myself it if very fortifyed that you can go to a Gurudwara and still profess you Hindu identity, religion, affinity, etc. or whatever that makes you a hindu. Truth is you can go to a Gurudwara and evoke the name of any Hindu God, Ram, laksman, Shiv, Bhrama, any god you wish. Try doing that in a mosque and they will skin you alive for blasphemising the name of Ahalla. That is the difference between Punjabi Sikhs and Punjabi Muslims. That is the difference between a Punjabi Muslim and a Punjabi Sikh, non Khalaistani of course.

You feel cultural kinship to Punjabi muslims?????????? Are you a Paki Punjabi Hindus? I don’t know of any Punjabi Muslims left in Indian Punjab. On the other hand, if you are Indian Punjabi Hindu, were did you find Punjabi Muslims in India to develop the bonds of cultural kinship?

You accuse me of a close minded bigoted presumptive Kunt. In that regards you are both right and wrong. Yes I am making presumption regarding entire communities. Yes I do in a very racist aspect condemn an entire society. Hey, it is the same tactic Pakis use. “It is the evil Hindus……..Sikh and Muslim must stem the tide of evil Hindus….they are fascist, nazi, baniyas out to manipulate innocent Muslims. Sorry…….you will have to find sympathies elsewhere.

Hey Stuka, my original post was refered to Kafir, why did you jump in?

Tadem,

I am very open to new concepts. Religion is evil, regardless of how it is used.