Whither Democracy?

West Pakistan`s client state of East Pakistan lasted 24 years.

Pakistan`s client state of Taliban Afghanistan lasted 5 years.

To all ``Islamists``: Stop this ummah/upma nonsense and join the larger group of humanity.

To all Kashmiris: join India willingly - look at our record outside Kashmir and try to understand why we fight in Kashmir. In Punjab, 40% Hindus happily live with Sikh Chief Ministers. In Goa, the Chief Minister is often Christian, even though Christians are only 25% of the Goan population. In Kerala, religious affiliation of Chief Ministers is like watching weather reports. North East states have converted to Christianity and they still fit in the Indian system (other than Nagaland). Look at Pakistan: Musharaf has to swear he is a Muslim to take oath of office. Abandon this Islamist two nation thinking. One man, one vote; one woman, one vote in a secular framework.

Afghanistan is liberated.

God is Great.

Faiza/12 Head

Can`t deal with the fact that the all the women in my family are professionals, all the professionals in my family are moderate and involved in various professional and cultural orgs? Since you seem to lack the ability to connect the dots, let me spell the last part of my last post s-l-o-w-l-y . My family members are part of civic orgs as well. However, they participate as m-o-d-e-r-a-t-e P-a-k-i-s-t-a-n-i A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n-s. They are part of the A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n p-o-l-i-t-i-c-a-l p-r-o-c-e-s-s- and also organize as P-a-k-i-s-t-a-n-i-s in their various South Asian communities. Which means they do not try to interfere with the politics/social make up of or support fringe groups in Pakistan.

Before you grab your crayons for the next post you send, perhaps you ought to take this post to a local tutoring center and ask a tutor to help you with reading and comprehension. Don`t worry, with lots and lots of work and help, you may be able to surpass the skills of your 5 year old niece. Good luck!

Hello Shrunken-whatever:

It looks like everybody has seen through your bogus claims of being a shrink.

Time to hide for a while, like the Taliban. You have got your Mullah Omar in Tahmad321.

The hydra-headed nuisance

So now you have started to impersonate sigalph, eh? A quick tip on new nicks... why don`t you choose an appropriate name suited to your personality, like `phlegm` or `flatulence`? What about `armpit`? or `wart`? `booger` maybe?

And regarding your frequent claims to be a doctor, I have researched in great detail and found out the possible ways you could have got into medical school:

a) In anatomy class - As a cadaver

b) In microbiology - As specimen

c) In neurology - As a case study

d) In medicine - As a suppository

e) In orthopaedics - As a bunion

d) In tropical medicine - As a nematode

Now I have no doubt that indeed you have been to medical school. How is your vacuole?

Neptune:

“Shankar #341

Re: the hydra-headed retard

[EVERYBODY knows you come to Chowk with several identities...]

Ahah! So I did manage to convince you that time!

Best regards

Mycroft Holmes”

….all kudos to you...as usual, you’ve put sherlock to shame..:)

http://salon.com/news/wire/2001/11/12/un_execution/index.html

U.N. reports executions in Mazar-e-Sharif

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By Amir Zia

Nov. 12, 2001 | ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) --

There have been reports of summary executions and abductions of civilians in Mazar-e-Sharif since opposition fighters seized the northern city from the Taliban, U.N. officials said Monday.

The officials said there was no confirmation of the reports and they had no details. It was not known whether the violence involved opposition fighters taking revenge against lingering Taliban or pro-Taliban residents, or involved personal disputes.

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U.N. officials also said an opposition commander had seized a U.N. convoy of 10 trucks carrying aid to the area and that a U.N. food warehouse in the city had been looted -- though it was not known whether by the opposition or fleeing Taliban fighters.

Lindsey Davies, spokeswoman for the U.N. World Food Program, said the situation in Mazar-e-Sharif ``remains volatile, with reports of looting, abduction of civilians from the city, uncontrolled free-lance gunmen, and some street battles are ongoing.``

U.N. spokeswoman Stephanie Bunker -- who like Davies spoke in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad -- said ``unconfirmed reports speak of incidents including violence and summary executions`` in Mazar-e-Sharif.

After they took Mazar-e-Sharif on Friday, one opposition commander reportedly ordered his forces to restrain themselves and offered an amnesty to Taliban supporters in the city. But several factions of the alliance, which is loosely made up of rival warlords who have opposed in the past, were involved in the city`s capture.

Mazar-e-Sharif changed hands several times between the Taliban and opposition in 1997 and 1998, and each time there were bloody massacres allegedly committed by the victors.

Meanwhile, the U.N. Children`s Fund said a 10-truck convoy was commandeered by opposition fighters soon after it arrived in Mazar-e-Sharif on Saturday with 200 tons of supplies. UNICEF said in a statement from Geneva that it was trying to ``ensure the safety`` of the convoy`s Afghan drivers and the supplies.

Davies, of the WFP, said about 89 tons of food -- including sugar, oil and high energy biscuits -- had ``disappeared from our warehouse`` in Kabul.

UNICEF said its offices in the city had been stripped of their contents, including computers and furniture.

UNICEF and the WFP said they didn`t know who was behind the looting of their facilities. But UNICEF said fleeing Taliban forces had made off with all its vehicles and communications equipment.

The northern alliance seized Mazar-e-Sharif on Friday, forcing Taliban soldiers to retreat south toward Kabul -- though over the weekend U.S. officials said there were still pockets of Taliban resistance in the city.

The capture of strategic northern city opened up a corridor for badly needed humanitarian aid from neighboring Uzbekistan. But relief officials are waiting to ship aid until they confirm that the area is secure.

The WFP hopes to bring 17,000 tons of food a month into Afghanistan from Uzbekistan. ``We have food, staff and offices to help the impoverished Afghans of the northern areas. What we need is security,`` said Davies.

The United Nations says Afghanistan is in the middle of a humanitarian crisis because of a devastating drought and a protracted civil war.

The opposition has pushed the Taliban out of most of northern Afghanistan in the past few days with the help of heavy U.S. bombing, and has threatened to launch an offensive on Kabul.

Associated Press

Layman

#359

``and Pakistan is not Bastardized ``

I can speak of Muslims of Indian subcontinent they are not

I have arguments but for the moment i exert my PERSONAL opinion as defense for thinking so

No matter what non muslims of India think,Islam is never BOUGHT like christianity.

by that i mean no muslim pays like christian to become muslim

#371 SHANKAR

#372 ``

IGNORE IT

Certain pl. on Chowk Neptune & others caused missunderstanding

I can understand the Afghans hating the Taliban, but hating Pakistan? The same country that has provided refuge to millions of Afghans? The same country that `saved` the Afghans from the Soviets?

What lessons can Pakistan learn from all this, even as it tries to `save` Kashmiris from other Indians?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1653000/1653137.stm

Kabul celebrates `liberation`

Excerpt:

The BBC`s John Simpson, who entered the Afghan capital on foot ahead of Northern Alliance forces, says huge crowds gathered in the city shouting ``death to Pakistan`` and ``death to the Taleban``.

ylh #349:

``As for people not agreeing with me... maybe you will shed some light on why you responded to my argument which was backed up documents and legal evidence.... by saying `fcuk off kid`... Is that the lesson you telling me to learn?``

Touche.

Fatimah #359:

``I considered Phillipines a bastardized nation ,by Spanish ,Americans marauders.So far Pakistan thanks to Islam is better than many such nations.``

And Pakistan is not a bastardized nation, by Islamic invaders? I`m sure Filipinos will have something to say about it - So far Phillipines thanks to Christianity is better than many such nations. (to paraphrase you).

Bijli,

Ramayan & Mahabharat, as far as I`m concerned are MYTHOLOGIES. It means ``myths``--ya idiot! The great thing about hinduism is your are free to believe what you want & discard what you dont. The beauty is in the symbolism of these myths & the philosophy that goes along with them.

All ancient polytheistic religions had mythologies. They add color & spice to our culture. Who cares whether they are true or not.

Not to worry--we dont want to enter your jannah--sounds like a very boring place to us godless idolators. Esp when your ``other head`` studebaker was kind enough to reveal the fine print-- that you are not allowed to lust after the houris.

Wow! that gives a whole new meaning to the phrase KLPD!

British reporter Mrs. Lamb was unceremoniously kicked out of Pakistan at the dead of the night because she found out some evidence of continuing collusion between Pakistan army and the Talibani crminals -- surprise! surpurise!!

````This begs the question `Is he (Mushraaf) really in control of the military intelligence and who is actually running the country?``` (British reporter Ms Lamb quoted by tvrad)

Good question, Ms Lamb. When you find the answer tell us on Chowk.

We have asked the same qestion -- quite a few times -- post Spetember 11 -- post October 1

It looks like Mr. Musharraf may have had some control when he was in Khaki -- but not any more in his Shirwani -- or it could be a forked tongue diasease -- or something like -- hunting with the hounds and running with the hares -- or eating the cake and having it too -- etc, etc.

More likely Gul`s ISI is still Gul`s ISI -- NOT Mr. Secular Mushrraf`s.

Reply #: 341

shankar

. When your ancestor was converted to Islam, you came back--with 2 extra heads!

In hindu mythology, if Ravana`s head was chopped off, another head would replace it. Perhaps, you could do us all a favor & just come up with just one Chowkie pseudonym--Ravan (new, improved version of the Islamic kind).



Fake Doc.

When your friends & clients know of your hallucinatory believes of demons & dungeons ,they wont come to you & request for michigan board to redress you first .12 head ravan believes

Fatimah:

`Nothing ,i do here is for anything BUT for Islam & Pakistan.If you think Iam harming Pakistan or Islam i wont post anything.`

Yes I do think you are harming Pakistan and Islam. Please stick to your word now!

-YLH

No it is me .. Yasser Hamdani.