The Price

RSaxena:

``hehe...a cop-out?...i admit pak`s had a better cricket team...heck, even starving africans outdo india with their olympic gold in track and field...nary a bronze for india...``

...africans had the whole world beat, not just india...athletics is not our forte....now if they`d only allow cricket into the olympics...

Yahuda Goldsteen

“Arafat is a bad role model and greatest terrorist of all. There are many governments which do not want, in all seriuousness, a solution to Palestine problem. By keeping the problem alive, they can get billions of dollars every year. A case in point, for example, is Egypt which has more than 100 billion dollars in aid since Camp David agreement in 1980.

Pakistan is another basket case. It was not in the interest of Pakistan that Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan. Pakistanis were happy. It was too sad that war ended in 1989 and Pakistani economy collapsed. I believe Musharaf is copying Palestine model that one day, if considerable pressure is applied continuosly, Kashmir may also get recognition as a possible statehood. But both India and Israel will not give it up to pressure. In the end Muslims and their Jehad will be defeated conclusively. The real enemies of world peace is Iraq, Saudi Arab and Pakistan.

Salom. “

…goldstein, not goldsteen and shalom, not salom….sorry for the interruption….back to your…um…anal-ysis…

shammi:

{All in a grim day`s work:

``Jammu, November 30: Five days after having gunned down Gulzar Ahmad Lone, headmaster of a primary school in Rajouri, militants on Thursday night killed Daya Ram (45), Congress block president and a contractor, at Bani in Kathua by slitting his throat...``

http://www.expressindia.com/kashmir/kashmirlive/kl20011201.html}

….shammi saab, i could also come up with numerous articles about the indian army’s atrocities like the gang raping of kashmiri women, wanton killings etc, etc, etc…but it’s like a vicious circle…. where does it get us?…

Scout #400 - There is one more, scout, and the guy is so transparent, I feel almost guilty exposing him! So, I`ll wait just a LEETLE bit longer and see if he provides some more fun ;)

Re: Reply #: 364

mohajir,

Also relevant is Tunku Varadarajan`s (Deputy-editor of The Wall Street journal)article titled: ``Rescuing the enemy``. The URL:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/tvaradarajan/?id=95001523.

I particularly like the passage where he asks:

``Why did the U.S. let Gen. Musharraf rescue his troops, only days after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had rebuffed the general`s pleas for safe passage out of Kunduz for Pakistani fighters trapped there? There are no easy answers, only uncomfortable ones. My guess is that Secretary of State Colin Powell, with whom the Pakistani dictator has developed an unseemly and unctuous rapport, called in all his chips on this one. The evasiveness of U.S. top brass on the subject suggests they are embarrassed over the affair. How could they not be? Weren`t the men the Pakistanis rescued the very men this country is at war with? And weren`t these some of the very men Mr. Rumsfeld said had only two choices before them at Kunduz, death or surrender?

One day, when the war in Afghanistan is well and truly done, we will get answers to all these questions. In the meantime, what we are beginning to learn is that if one enlists dubious allies, one runs the high risk of treading knee-deep in--how shall I put it?--foul-smelling organic waste matter.

And as allies go, Gen. Musharraf is as dubious as they get.`` END OF QUOTE

Sridhar

Re:Reply #: 389

Dr Poonawala,

I hope what you say about Benazir Bhutto is true. I had, on one occasion, watched a Video recording of her speech on Pakistan Day when she was a P.M(such material is easy to obtain in New York). She was very anti-Indian in that speech. What was noteworthy was the fact that first 2 rows in the audience were filled by the army brass. She might have been playing to the gallery. Or else, she really felt that way about India back then. In any case, the question would be how much leverage she can get from the army brass. If Mushy or his successor is going to decide how friendly she can get with India, there may not be much hope of a breakthrough. Still, BB is my best bet.

Sridhar

Re:Reply #: 386

Dr Poonawala,

Welcome to the Chowk. I had strayed out of the chowk for a few weeks and when i tune in, i see that an enlightened person like you is interacting here. Chowk never ceases to surprise me.

I completely agree with your idea of converting LOC as an international border. It is not only a practical thing to do but is probably the only solution. A few give and take here and there will have to take place. There should also be, as suggested by you, a free trade between the 2 Kashimirs. At some point when these 2 parts have been well integrated, i hope both India and Pakistan will have the wisdom to let Kashmiris manage their own state as they please.

Sridhar

Fatimah #397 Congratulations, your sentences are almost coherent now.

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Sigalph

``[The difference is that taxes in US are not differentiated on basis of religion or color]````

YES SIR ,TAXES IN U.S. IS NOT EQUAL.JUST AS HERE IS

WASP

ISRAELITES

BLACK

Hispanocs

ASians

Very profiled groups in u.s.a. YOU DONT FEEL IT BECAUSE THANK TO ALLAH THIS COUNTRY HAS LITTLE BIT EVEN FOR THE LAST MEMBER.

corporates church,army ,ppl. overseas dont opay equal tax .TAX break is raxce directed but named ``interest dedeductiion`` instead of saying we will help the Bankers who are mainly ....

IN MUSLIM empire ,a muslim pays with his life by fighting in war & non muslims dont have to fight in place of Tax.

Why out of 10000 ppl. arrested for questioning 100% of them are eithe muslim or mid east or both.

I have not seen more rascist than ASHCROFT & by default whole administration.I DONT BUY BUSH`S line NOR HIS Gimmick like Attals IFTAR party .

Poonawalla....390

you wrote:

[. I speak chaste Urdu every day and night with my family....]



And it is still chaste?Urdu,I mean. :)--------;)

Perhaps you mean the Muqqafaa,Mussajaa,and Murrasaa type.

PS:But your english is definitely better.

Mr Yahuda

Welcome to Chowk. I too am a newcomer. I would be keen to understand the Israeli perspective. I have met a few Israeli tourists here in Jammu, a medium size city in north india. However I must admit I am deeply committed to the cause of the Palestinian People and their human rights.

Dr Ali Akbar Poonawala

Jammu, India.

Dr. Ali Akbar Poonawalla

``...We must press for the immediate conversion of LOC into a hard and fast boundary...``

Dr. Poonawalla, I am with you, as are probably millions of Indians. Apparently, Indira Gandhi wanted that to happen in the `72 Simla Agreement, but Bhutto did not agree. I do not think that your sentiments will find much acceptance in Pakistan.

Re:Semipreciousme

``...none of their nationalities or names have been released...``

Nationalities HAVE been released. Visa infringements are `holding` charges until more evidence is found. My point was that ISI-run foreign policy is needlessly dragging the name of Pakistan through mud. It is time that the ISI be made accountable.

re bapu 398

``THE YEARLY TAX YOU PAY UNCLE SAM in fact much greater % to see fire works over Afghanistan & 10 yrs ago in Baghdad.``

The difference is that taxes in US are not differentiated on basis of religion or color. The concept of jizya and dhimmis is, on the other hand, one of rank discrimination. Yes, they may be part of traditionally understood Islamist jurisprudence - that`s precisely why that jurisprudence needs to be made more like enlightened codes of law.

As for the `fireworks`, I am proud to support the military action against the Taleban and Saddam before him, with my tax dollars. The only regret I have is that I wish the campaign was not limited to Taleban: we need to go after each and every tin-pot regime that threatens civilization.

Mighty Proud to stand behind President Bush. Until and unless the rogues fall in line with accepted norms of civilized behavior, there should be no let up in the campaign against them.

wadera #395,

you mean to tell us that this dweeb ``Yahuda Goldsteen`` is really that other dweeb ``Bhartiya-Musalman?``

interesting...

any idea who ``khamakhwa`` might be?