The Forgotten Children of God

DRUMZ #181, `` I jus watched 3 Indian movies``

no wonder you`re not getting any better. i`d rather watch the Matrix three times in a row than three lousy Indian movies. what the hell were you thinking bro.

DRUMZ # 181

I have always found all those representations a bit hard to figure out :)

I am willing to let God be represented in any form so long as I myself am not required to have a nose like that. I mean, I am ugly, and my nose is uglier, but nowhere near THAT ugly!

(due apologies to all my Hindu brothers and sisters who might be quick to take offense...please don`t...and if you do, well too bad for ya, `coz I am gonna go pray to Lord Ganesh to give you some buddhi).

786? Well, for me, they are a sign of my respect and appreciation for the cultural heritage of someone with whom I used to correspond until quite recently. I learnt a lot from that person, so have decided to keep that symbol as a permanent part of my identity.

saxena:

``.let me guess, you`re against mouthwash...and medicines with alcohol too...``

mouthwash is overrated bhaisaxena...i chew on fresh daisies and tube roses first thing every morning..very flowery breathe all day

:)

ref: Drumz #181

WEll said Drumz! I was merely parroting the reply someone gave me when I suggested much as you do, the need to reinterpret the Quran. Good luck in persuading more of your co-religionists to accept your assertion.

-narain

#: 179

RSaxena

re: Anny

{just smiled through very gritted teeth and said NO thank you i do NOT want some of that alcohol infested chocolate cake}

..let me guess, you`re against mouthwash...and medicines with alcohol too...



Rsaxenna

Besides there are many things less bitter & sweeter smelling than non moisturizing shrivelling skin, goose pimple giving harsh toxic chemical... alcohol.

Being sick is boring as hell. I jus watched 3 Indian movies (the same mufukkas were in ALL the movies...)

Prem: I used to have a bunch of sites but everything was deleted by temp. And what does the 786 symbolize on your mail? Your moms theory was really helpful, for real. It doesnt explain the elephant God (unless the devotee has one messed up nose) but its a start.

Narain: That would be true if we knew what the hell Muhammed really said. Call me crazy but ``authentic`` is NOT the word Id use to describe some 200 year old oral transmission club. Its never black and white. It takes courage to interpret religion with reason, the masses are just too scared/ignorant..

Prankaj: Read the celestine prophecy. It presents a good theory (we were once full of the Energy, then we fell). We lost part of the Energy, so everything we do is an attempt to regain it. (look at discussions. If one tries to show off, he is in effect taking some of the energy - in the form of praise/esteem - from someone else and collecting it within). All human interactions involve a transfer of energy in millions of subtle ways - all because we don`t know how to channel the energy from within. We need material things to gain energy via social status etc... Your post was quite accurate and agreeable, thanks for sharing!

Anaryan: Good answer, u got me thinking. Its like when someone says ``my Higher self.`` Well to whom does the higher self belong? The paradox is obvious, we cannot logically get around it (logic is based on finite rules, the realization IS of eternal origin). Now If we agree that everything is one, we must appeal to the Lowest Common Denominator in ALL things, correct?

The bible/Greeks/Egyptians said that ``first there was the word/logos.`` Well what is a word? Vibrations, correct? Isnt everything vibrating - from the atom to the supernova? Are we all not vibrations - energy? I believe this relieves us of the duality paradox, correct?

I understand your theory of layers, but IMO it gives the illusion that it`s explained something when it hasnt. Would u agree that we know very little about the deeper layers? Well how can we not say that they are receptive to instinctual stimuli (I know, ya cant prove a negative, lol). I agree with your assessment of the layers and how their interactions `cook up answers` in our subconscious. However, we really dont have any factual basis for saying the deeper layer doesnt do `X.`

Now Siva is older then Brahma? Im confused, I thought Brahma was THE man? Ever heard of zacariah Stitchen or Von Danikan?

PEACE!!!!!!

Re #178:

Thus spoke Urstruly …once again … like a complete moron …

Your fanaticism has turned you into a complete jackass … and more. It has also made you blind as a bat. There is no reference to “Ahmadi dogma” in my post #174. Rather my post highlights the absurdities of your dogma. As I had earlier pointed out, such fairy-tale dogmas make for a fairy-tale religion, which is fit only for dumb-wits like you.

I know well that you indeed are a sub-intelligent, stupid, jerk. You do not have to confirm this by continuously making idiotic comments.

Your nose is bleeding, you’ve got a black eye … and your legs are trembling. You’ve taken quite a beating here … just looking at you makes me feel sorry. Go home and lick your wounds now. Ask your mother to give you a hug. You badly need one.

Asad

re: Anny

{just smiled through very gritted teeth and said NO thank you i do NOT want some of that alcohol infested chocolate cake}

..let me guess, you`re against mouthwash...and medicines with alcohol too...

Sattar # 174

I am glad to see that you have finally understood the message perfectly and started talking in terms of ``your dogma vs. my dogma``, ``your religion vs. my religion`` and ``my reasons are better than yours``. This is a good start. Spread the word among your people. And that is what we (Muslims) wanted all along-dair ayad darust ayad.

Thank you.

Prem #172
You could try religion.samachar.com. It has links to internet resources about many religions, there may be links to links to magazines. Apparently there is an Electronic Journal of Vedic Studies, but I am told this is academic not religious.
TOI has sections Sacred Space and Speaking Tree? under Editorial. The Hindu has a Religion section under Miscellaneous. I think its mostly Hinduism but it covers other religions as well esp around festival time.

Ref Prem #: 172

[Could Chowkies point me toward some South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepali, Sri Lankan) religious magazines (or sections of magazines) published online?]

Not from South Asia but from North America, by the Saiva Siddhanta Church, a Hindu church run by Westerners:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/

The founder of this church passed away about a month back. He had travelled widely in Sri Lanka and southern India, became a Hindu monk and has built a temple at Kauai in Hawaii.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/

AUTHORS PROTEST HISTORY SNIPS



FROM OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT New Delhi, Dec. 1: The entire panel of historians routinely reviled by the Sangh parivar and the National Council for Educational Research and Training (NCERT), barring Bipan Chandra, today held a news conference and slammed the deletions from history textbooks authored by them.

For the first time since the recent acrimony over history textbooks peaked, the “much maligned” spoke against the “Talibanisation” of education. “It is not a confrontation between the Right and the Left. It is a confrontation between professional historians, politicians and administrators,” said Romila Thapar.

The NCERT has applied the scissors to her textbook on ancient India — a book that has been taught in schools all over India since 1966. Textbooks by R.S. Sharma, Satish Chandra, Arjun Dev and Indira Dev met much the same fate.

The historians were not only enraged at the attempts to politicise and saffronise history but also at the violation of the authors’ fundamental right.

The historians have suddenly found themselves in the dock for their interpretations — Thapar for having suggested that the Aryans could have come from outside India, Chandra for pointing to a conflict other than religious between Teg Bahadur and the Mughals, and Sharma for underlining the varna system.

“History has become a precise and analytical discipline. People do not realise that historians are trained individuals. The subject cannot be reduced to just an opinion of some individuals,” Thapar said.

Students should be exposed to multiple theories and sources, not just from religious texts but also other disciplines like archaeology, the panel said. The policymakers are bent on tailoring history to suit a particular ideology, it added.

The NCERT’s fiat to the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) to trim portions from history textbooks is an infringement on the rights of authors, the historians argued.

“Deleting portions from the existing textbooks is a contravention of copyright. In the agreement drawn up with the NCERT, it was clear that no changes in the textbooks will be made without the authors’ permission,” said Thapar.

Arjun Dev, who retired from the NCERT after a 36-year association and after heading its history department, said: “The NCERT director was lying when he said the copyright of changing a textbook rests with the organisation and not the authors.”

Chandra, who has perhaps received maximum brickbats — for “degrading” Guru Teg Bahadur — said: “The basic discipline of history is to bring to the notice of the students multiple facts and teach them to think analytically.”

Chandra said all he had done was to suggest that the conflict between Tegh Bahadur and the Mughals was not solely on religious grounds. “There were personal, social and economic conflicts as well,” he said.

Urstruly Sahib (several idiotic posts):

You defend finality of “prophethood” as dogma, while you also defend the “two thousand year old flying Messiah …” as dogma. This shows how absurd and stupid your “dogmas” are … very fitting for your equally stupid personality …

Your dogma makes for a religion fit for idiots and fools. On the other hand, Ahmadi-Muslims have rational reasons and scripture to support their views. Try it … if you dare ... you’ll be speechless.

In the name of honesty, you should call Ahmadi-Islam as “Deen-e-Fitrat”, and your Islam as an amalgam of fairy tales.

So, in the light of my post #127 … tell Radha … why should she accept your Islam … and not Ahmadi-Islam … [merely saying Ahmadi-Muslims are kaffir is a fool’s argument … ]

Also tell her what you’ll do to her in the name of Islam if she becomes an Ahmadi-Muslim, recites Quran, and is caught saying “bismillah” in public …

An intelligent response, if you have one, will be appreciated, although, from you, silence is fully expected … (you probably regret prodding me with your “prophethood” comment …but you asked for it … you jackass!)



Asad

Could Chowkies point me toward some South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepali, Sri Lankan) religious magazines (or sections of magazines) published online?

I know of only one - the News of the Jang Group publishes a weekly section called Iqra.

Any others?

Thanks in advance.

You may also email me, if you want, at eklavya786@hotmail.com

Could Chowkies point me toward some South Asian (Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepali, Sri Lankan) religious magazines (or sections of magazines) published online?

I know of only one - the News of the Jang Group publishes a weekly section called Iqra.

Any others?

Thanks in advance.

You may also email me, if you want, at eklavya786@hotmail.com

SPM # 163

Thank you. I am blessed indeed in the mother I have, though I guess that is a universally shared sentiment about mothers.

Regards.

Prem