The Brahmin Warrior

So after 3 months of Operation Fallana Dhamkana ,what does U.S.A. have to show No Mullah Omer NO Osama ,WHAT? but what the hell all this operation was for .NOT certainly dislodging Taleban,u.s. never wanted to do that for 8 years they were parked.Then what? So the objective was Osama & Mullah Omer for not handing over Osama to U.S. NOW we dont have NEITHER ! Plz tell me am i missing somthing or the world hiding somthing from me .

Bush Vows to Catch Osama bin Laden

By RON FOURNIER

WASHINGTON (AP) - Osama bin Laden may ``slither out`` of Afghanistan, but he won`t escape the global reach of U.S. forces, President Bush said Friday. He said the United States would send troops to nations seeking help to hunt down terrorists.

In a bluntly worded call to action, the president told world leaders: ``Thank you for your condolences. I appreciate your flowers. Now arrest somebody if they`re in your country.``

Gathering reporters in the Oval Office for an end-of-the-year review, Bush pronounced 2001 a success for the Republican domestic agenda and America`s budding war on terrorism. He praised lawmakers for cutting taxes and reshaping federal education programs, but called Congress` failure to pass economic legislation ``a big disappointment.``

``A lot of people are going to ask the question, `Why couldn`t you get something done?``` Bush said. Still, he said it was unclear whether an economic revival bill would be needed when Congress returns in late January.

The war on terrorism dominated the conversation, just as it consumed the final three months of Bush`s first year in office.

``The country is more secure today and less vulnerable to attack than before Sept. 11, because the enemy has made it clear that we are a target, and we`ve responded,`` the president said 101 days after suicide hijackings over New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

``Is it still totally safe? No. And that`s why, as I`ve told you, my main job - my main worry - for America is to prevent another attack,`` he said.

Bush and his wife, first lady Laura Bush, showed off the new Oval Office floor covering, a cream-colored rug with golden bolts streaming from an American seal. A lone star, a taste of his native Texas, is stitched into the border.

One of the couple`s dogs, Spot, rolled across the carpet as Bush shrugged off suggestions that bin Laden slipped away from U.S. forces during cease fire talks in Afghanistan.

``I don`t know where he is. I hadn`t heard much from him recently, which means he could be in a cave that doesn`t have an opening to it anymore; or could be in a cave where he can get out or may have tried to slither out into neighboring Pakistan. We don`t know,`` the president said.

``But I will tell you this: We`re going to find him.``

Earlier, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said U.S. troops have begun combing Afghanistan`s rugged al-Qaida cave complexes as part of the search for bin Laden. Senior defense officials say the Afghanistan war commander, Gen. Tommy Franks, proposed also sending several hundred Marines and possibly a smaller number of Army troops to the Tora Bora area.

Bush did not reveal his next target, but said the United States will reap intelligence gains and track terrorists across the globe. He suggested that the next phase of the war will not be as bold and obvious as the Afghanistan conflict, saying some actions will be covert and others will not involve the military.

``There will be a lot of moments of boredom and then there would be some great joy,`` Bush said, quoting Franks.

Senior administration officials have said high-profile targets such as Iraq are unlikely to be part of Bush`s next move. He is said to be favoring action in countries harboring terrorists who pose the greatest and most immediate threat to Americans.

Somalia is considered prime for U.S. actions, the sources say, because some of bin Laden`s al-Qaida forces are believed to be in the country and there is no central government to control their activities.

Whether the action involves troops, diplomatic action or bank transactions that cut off money to terrorists, Bush said he will expect help from other countries.

``We`re constantly talking to countries, reminding them that if you`re with us, perform,`` Bush said.

Bush said allies will be given U.S. intelligence to help uncover the terrorists. To ensure their capture, Bush said: ``We`ll be glad to lend some troops`` to other countries.

Afterward, aides said Bush was willing to offer special forces and other troops to countries tracking down terrorists.

``We`re on the hunt,`` Bush said. ``We`re chasing one or two, three or four, 20 individuals at a time.``

The president said he had ordered the National Security Council to devise plans for handling the cases of captured forces in Afghanistan, including American John Walker Lindh, who fought for the Taliban.

Bush has not decided what to do about Lindh, but said he has not ruled out treason charges.

``We`ve told his lawyer that, at the appropriate time, we`ll let everybody know, including his family, how we`re going to proceed with Walker, as well as others that have become captured during this war,`` Bush said.

James Brosnahan, Lindh`s lawyer, said in a statement, ``We appreciate the many Americans who are keeping an open mind and waiting for all of the facts to emerge.`` He expressed hope that the government would allow Lindh access to his family and his attorney and would deliver a family letter to him.

On the economy, Bush passed up an opportunity to criticize Senate Democrats for blocking a GOP stimulus bill. And while his spokesman said Americans will go jobless for months longer because of the Senate`s actions, Bush expressed doubts about any long-term impact.

``We just have to see,`` he said. Asked whether an economic stimulus bill was necessary, Bush said, ``We`ll see.``

12/21/01 22:46

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Rehanhasanansari

You mean ``Hey Ram`` with in the context of Kuhn`s ``Structure of Scientific Revolutions``?

have you read this work? if not there is website with a synopsis I can recommend:

http://www.emory.edu/EDUCATION/mfp/Kuhn.html

If you get the chance and I don`t mean to presume, Poppers` ``Open Universe`` - you will enjoy.

Rehanhasanansari

I do take your point - I wish we could just stick with plain old ``Muslim``

``State intellectual`` - yes, I would agree with you with regard to Friedman. Actually, I am coming to the conclusion that we Pakistanis and Muslims have been intellectually dishonest with ourselves, in two ways: 1. That we are ``self-conscious`` because we have no intellectual tradition, of any weight, that we value - with regard to understanding Islam and Islamic knowledge, or just plain knowledge - and that our image of ourselves itself is an import from a civilization historically hostile towards us. Pakistanis despise our weakness are in turn are despised because of our weakness, by others. The weakness of our elite has always been that they do not realize the Pakistani nation wants to, needs, to be challenged to fulfill a destiny, a vision of itself, realizing it`s ambition. Not talking about a glory war, but a nation unencumbered by feudalism, or the scarcity of education, accessible health care,access to opportunity to earn a decent living - a polical structure that actually works, institutions that reflect our values - someday, one day.

2. The process of secularization and rationalization as agents of change is an inevitablity for us, yet we have failed to see that it will not act or rather the processes will not be the same as in Europe or the West - and that these need not be the only agents of change. I am always saddened when reading a Pakistani or a Muslim at ease with every other tradition and learning except the one of his fathers. Allah have mercy on us, surely we are deserving of that.

My sincere apologies for babling - I will try find that article on the net, unless you can direct me.

Do Popper myself? I have never done any such thing before and it is obvious from the quality of my writing that discipline and editing are alien to me - but may be - may be we can still be a community of discourse.

Zafar Al-Talib

Zafar Mian;

how are you? Pot calling the Kettle black? well may be I am immoderate (who wants to think of themselves as immoderate or moderate) untactful, lacking social grace? whatever - I was pointing out Sadna and Tahmad a similar aspect of ``secular humanism`` - Religious faith and proponents of things like a ``good`` society seem now to be ``fanatics`` (immoderates) and ``psychos`` (fundohs in paklish) - well I guess it goes with the territory.

Rehanhasanansari

I do take your point - I wish we could just stick with plain old ``Muslim``

``State intellectual`` - yes, I would agree with you with regard to Friedman. Actually, I am coming to the conclusion that we Pakistanis and Muslims have been intellectually dishonest with ourselves, in two ways: 1. That we are ``self-conscious`` because we have no intellectual tradition, of any weight, that we value - with regard to understanding Islam and Islamic knowledge, or just plain knowledge - and that our image of ourselves itself is an import from a civilization historically hostile towards us. Pakistanis despise our weakness are in turn are despised because of our weakness, by others. The weakness of our elite has always been that they do not realize the Pakistani nation wants to, needs, to be challenged to fulfill a destiny, a vision of itself, realizing it`s ambition. Not talking about a glory war, but a nation unencumbered by feudalism, or the scarcity of education, accessible health care,access to opportunity to earn a decent living - a polical structure that actually works, institutions that reflect our values - someday, one day.

2. The process of secularization and rationalization as agents of change is an inevitablity for us, yet we have failed to see that it will not act or rather the processes will not be the same as in Europe or the West - and that these need not be the only agents of change. I am always saddened when reading a Pakistani or a Muslim at ease with every other tradition and learning except the one of his fathers. Allah have mercy on us, surely we are deserving of that.

My sincere apologies for babling - I will try find that article on the net, unless you can direct me.

Do Popper myself? I have never done any such thing before and it is obvious from the quality of my writing that discipline and editing are alien to me - but may be - may be we can still be a community of discourse.

Zafar Al-Talib

Zafar Mian;

how are you? Pot calling the Kettle black? well may be I am immoderate (who wants to think of themselves as immoderate or moderate) untactful, lacking social grace? whatever - I was pointing out Sadna and Tahmad a similar aspect of ``secular humanism`` - Religious faith and proponents of things like a ``good`` society seem now to be ``fanatics`` (immoderates) and ``psychos`` (fundohs in paklish) - well I guess it goes with the territory.

Reply Hobbyty # 37

``Hmm, immoderate? I don`t know if I would call myself immoderate.``

Hobbyty,

I am your NUMBER ONE FAN on chowk, and take it from me, you are definitely immoderate. Hence Mrs Hobbyty having to change the subject when you harange your guests on order, morality and a just society. (Remember, you told us the story.)

EMBRACE IMMODERATION!

Now - go back to your serious discussion with Ansari Saheb with a clear mind and a happy heart.

Kaise ho bhai?

Salaams,

Zafar

re: dost-mittar

{We should acknowledge, however, that mainstream Hindus do, and always have, considered Sikhs as their saviours and heroes, and NOT the local Hindu rajas who fought against the Sikhs.}

...ummm, everyone knows the only real heroes are spider-man, superman, and the rock...

Rehanhasanansari

Hmm, immoderate? I don`t know if I would call myself immoderate. I wish you had given this some more thought. Moderate in what? What characteristics or attitudes define a moderate as opposed to a Muslim?

I read an article by by T. Friedman, where in some Pakistanis had forwarded the use of the term ``enlightened`` - I must admit I like this term better (the self congratulatory, self satisfied tone of it) But seriously? there are levels or types of religiosity and types and levels of non-religious knowledge that Muslims bring to their understanding of Islam which shapes their understanding of the Word and the experience of being a Muslim. I find moderate meaningless as it incorporates in it the possibility of defining another Muslim as a ``fundamentalist`` or ``immoderate`` - which again begs, do moderates and fundamentalists differ as Muslims?? or in their understanding (interpretation) of Islamic knowledge - yes I will grant you - but it is still imprecise, divisive and therefore problematic.

Would you consider doing a piece that explores the work of Dr. Sir karl Popper and it`s implications for the interpretation of Texts?

I can`t think of a more engrossing and engaging piece for all your readers.

shankar #430 ``why are Pakistani ladies so prudish about talking about sex..especially in mixed company?``

This will be an uphill climb, and I doubt you will be successful.

Getting Pakistani girls to talk about sex is more difficult than getting Indians to talk about human rights violations in Kashmir. In public, both groups will never admit to knowing anything about these issues, i.e. they are not involved, and have never seen nor done anything.

P.S. thongs, getting girls to talk about sex; you need to get out of Michigan, and start spending some time in the more populated states.

Rehan Ansari

Dear Mr. Ansari:

What exactly is a ``moderate`` Muslim? Moderate in What?

dost-mittar: ``Pamela Andersen is not the only one we have``

I must say, I am a bit disappointed in your knowledge in this area. There are quite a few more, besides Pamela Anderson. Vancouver is a big recruiting ground.

Interestingly, I believe, the current Miss Canada is of Indian origin.

Rehan how about writing something about Agha Shahid Ali? May he rest in peace.

Kafir Khan: You write ``It is not true judging from your comments about Jews.``

I have written hundreds of posts on chowk, and I challenge you to find ONE place in ONE post where I have made nasty remarks about ANY people - hindus OR jews or any other religion or ethnic group.

You on the other hand have written ethnic insults about pakistanis as well as about hindu brahmans.

You write ``You were rude to Bodenheimer.`` And to you as well (when you wrote ethnic insults to hindu brahmans). And to urstruly (when he wrote ethnic insults to hindus). and ali1 (ditto). and sadna (when she write ethnic insults about pakistanis).

Rehan how about writing something about Agha Shahid Ali? May he rest in peace.

Dear Mr Ansari:

Eid Mubarak to you!

Yes! The act is not percieved by the ``actor`` in the same manor - it never is!

The soldier does not imagine himself the aggressive tyrant - the revolutionary does not imagine himself the enemy of ``Order`` itself, but rather see ``order`` as being out of kilter and seeks to redress. Taking action, the very idea is revolutionary - which is why ``Hamlet`` is required reading - it marks a break in a line of thinking in which man is only being acted upon. In a world self created, the creature self-conscious and self-realizing

Pakistanis or Muslims may see the transformation of the progatonist as sad, the protangonist himself may see an injurious effect (unintended consequences?) on innocents, which the protagonist sees himself as being - yet the transformation is the conformation of a percieved greater good, or for the greater good - setting ``order`` back in ``order``.

So was the Dane a reasoning individual? As Kuhn in his ``Structure of Scientific Revolutions`` indicates:

``To desert the paradigm is to cease practicing the science it defines``.

The protagonists choice of which problem is the top priority to solve by his action, is of course a question of values. It is this process and those values that are being expounded (paradigm war?)

re: dost-mittar

{we (especially Montreal) has been rated as having the best strip bars in North America}

...holy $hit...you go there?...anyway, are you coming to the boys weekend out in the baltics next month or not?...

Dear Mr. Ansari:

In the train of human events, across time and space - being seen as actually ``doing`` something that ``handles`` a percieved problem, is what is attractive, ``sexy`` so to speak:

in the decision to act and in acting, are deposited, notions of ``the good``, character, nobility and challenege and the need to take action - ``to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or by opposing, end them.`` It is the ``taking of action`` to solve a problem, that is attractive, respected, ``sexy``.