Caste, Technology and Religious Conversions in India

Ref sorely-in-need-of-an-EEG #: 71

[Why did not a dalit ever get a noble prize?]

Why don`t you ask a Dalit, someone who has plenty of money but got into college on quota? He will tell you he doesn`t have to do anything to excel because he has got his ticket punched.

[Yea, Yea, we know...Bose was a low, low caste dalit, right?]

No, he wasn`t. But he didn`t think that theoretical physics was the domain of the Mukherjees, Chatterjees, Bannerjees, Bhattacharyas and Gangulys (last names of brahmins of Bengal) and that he was as good as any man on earth. (Bong-dongs and sigalph can tell you that Bose is a middle-level caste in Bengal, in case you didn`t know that.)

[How you delude yourself!]

You DO need an EEG. Really!

Ref inji-kari-kuzhambu #: 63

[The ``genius`` of the caste system is that it is insidiously hierarchical. If you were to protest against those above yourself, you risk protest from those below you. This keeps the system stable.]

Is that your explanation why the middle-level castes of your beloved Tamil Nadu are so strongly in favor of burning Dalits alive to keep them in their place?

How about breaking through the caste barrier and marrying a person from a caste just one notch lower than yours? Not even that, how about getting a Left-Hand Vellala to marry a Right-Hand Vellala?

Let me see how much your powers of logical thinking extend.

The DK/DMK/AIADMK thugs have been going around for the last 70 years saying that Hindu religion is a fraud. Since they do not say the same thing about Christianity or Islam, why is it that these idiots (and their followers like you) have not converted en masse to Islam? Then you can explain to the benighted Hindus of other states why praying to an idol in a temple at infrequent intervals is stupid but bowing down in the direction of Mecca 5 times a day and uttering words in Arabic is so much more rational. I am only sorry that your ``Great Intellectual`` passed away and so isn`t around to explain it. But the other thug whom you refuse to even call by name but reverently refer to as Doctor Artist Leader (that last part about Chief Minister is no longer valid after the last elections) may be persuaded to provide some explanation.

Ref Zafar Al-Talib #: 69

[Which is why speakers of Hindi - descended from Sanskrit - have little difficulty understanding Urdu - derived from Altaic-Turkic languages.]

Dear Zafar, even if you would only do a simple search on `Linguistics` on the web, you are going to get a ton of information. With a name like al-Talib, I would have expected you to be a bit more curious unless, of course, the Talib means the Taliban ;-)

As the Moghuls (itself derived from Mongol) moved down through Central Asia and came into contact with various tribes of people, they absorbed a lot of words from the languages they encountered. By the time they reached India, they had also borrowed a lot of words from Persian. The Moghuls continued to add words to Urdu from the North Indian languages and used Urdu widely in their communications with the natives. Thus the ability of Hindi-speaking population to understand Urdu.

The Moghuls did not consider Urdu to be a refined language. That is why Persian (Farsi) continued to be their court language and language of administration.... to such an extent, the East India Company employees were required to be reasonably proficient in Persian to be posted to India. English replaced Persian as the language of administration in India in 1858. By the way, Babr wrote his Babarnama in Turkic and Jehangir wrote his memoirs (Jehangirnama) in Persian. (Akbar was illiterate and so a court historian wrote Akbarnama... just FYI)

[PS I have only recently begun to appreciate you (and Urstruly) as polemicists.]

Urstruly! Now you have gone and hurt my feelings! Well, it could have been worse. You could have lumped me with the Headshrinker.

[May I (humbly) suggest greater us of alliteration by you? This can only add to your posts.]

Tahmed321 is usually called a pathetic pea-brained Pakistani by me. Would that be sufficient?

(Still smiling.....)

Ref 12-head-Lajwanti #: 70

[Sanskrit`s grammar was defined by Panini. Here is something on Panini:

Born: about 520 BC in Shalatula (near Attock), now Pakistan

Haha, clewer billi – Paniani genius was PAKSITANI PAKSITANI PAKSITANI!!!!!!!!!]

You would be ludicrous if you weren`t so pathetic. Was there a Pakistan before Aug 14, 1947?

Why don`t you claim Panini to be a Muslim next? How about him being a Pathan?

Aren`t you the same idiots who, as Jay is wont to point out, refuse to acknowledge Abdus Salaam as a Pakistani because he is a Qadiani?

Let me give you one more fact to be proud of.

Prof. Chandrasekhar, who won the Nobel Prize for his theory of Black Holes, was born in Lahore, Pakistan.

soundmeister

“My advice: stop feeling superior/ inferior/ guilty/ outraged/ self-pitying/ angry/ anti-social/ iconoclastic and start living life on your own terms. Might be a small start, but if we all do it, maybe we won`t be so depressed about it all the time.”

….exactly…..being full of vitriol and resentment is well and good if you want to live in the past…..but if not, wake up, shake off your self-pity and smell the 21 st century….

Re: #62

harimau,

(1)

``One doesn`t have to be a Brahmin to achieve the pinnacles of academic, artistic and scientific achievement, though VC Raman and his nephew Chandrasekhar both were.``

Going back to your assertion that a dalit can have as much talent as an upper caste...isn`t your above statement telling??? Why did not a dalit ever get a noble prize?

(2)

``A very well-known Indian scientist, Satyendranath Bose, for whom the subatomic particle boson is named, was not a Brahmin.``

Yea, Yea, we know...Bose was a low, low caste dalit, right?

How you delude yourself!

best regards,

Reply Harimau # 33

More pseudo-science from Pakistan.

Sanskrit`s grammar was defined by Panini. Here is something on Panini:



Born: about 520 BC in Shalatula (near Attock), now Pakistan

Haha, clewer billi – Paniani genius was PAKSITANI PAKSITANI PAKSITANI!!!!!!!!!

Reply Harimau # 33

Interesting info on Panini. But your polemical flourish at the end:

“Urdu, on the other hand, is derived from the Altaic-Turkic languages spoken by the Moghul invaders.”

Which is why speakers of Hindi - descended from Sanskrit - have little difficulty understanding Urdu - derived from Altaic-Turkic languages.

Zafar

PS I have only recently begun to appreciate you (and Urstruly) as polemicists. May I (humbly) suggest greater us of alliteration by you? This can only add to your posts.

Reply Anarayan # 35

I tell you, I am learning more and more about Tamilian language and culture on this board. First ali. Now thayoli.

“Contrary to what northies/pakis imagine, the southie languages have rich scope for invective that can make the northie maa-behen variety appear mildly amusing. A recent I overheard:``I`ll fry fish in your a-hole``!”

And you say this how?

And many thanks for this. I know that I am not the only one who appreciates it.

Zafar

Dear Harimau, saxena etc etc,

Ha ha ha. lads, chill out willya! Harimau, you`re fizzling and popping like water on a hot pan.

Well, at least now you know how it feels to to get pissed off when someone spews shitz.

Saxena: my dear man, you`ve been assuming the role of a tattu for a very long time. Now you are being a `Khwaje da gwaa daddu,` to Harimau.

Harimau and Sax, I`ve seen you guys at your funniest for a long time.

Take care and happy new year to you both.

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There was a doctor called Dr. Pagnakar Vartak. He was student of science . He Wrote a Book Called ` Vastava Ramayana`. That`s Meaning is real Ramayana. There is a history of America in this book. What? Columbus did not find America first!!!!! How can this possible ? He found America in 1492. Well but Hindus(Indians) were lived there so far. They were not any kind of bad people. They had their culture. But bad population destroyed their culture. Dr. Vartak gives many evidence about that. North America is Calling now as Mexico. Well There is word `Mashika` in language of sanskrit(Indian language).

From This word Makshica`s name Changed. Mexico country`s government released a book. There is history of Mexico in there. Government Wrote that:`` Those who first arrived on the continent later to be know as America, were groups of men driven by that mightily currant that set out from India to wards of East.(history of Mexico governmen t publication) Prof.

Rama Mena curator of the National Museum of Mexico, writes in his book `Maxican Archelogy` . The human types are like those of India. Their perfection of design,the irrproach able. technique of their ediets, the sumptuous Head- dress and astentatious buliding on high, the system of construction, all speek of India and the orient ....it is considered of oriental origin and of greater qutiquity than that accoreded to the Neostorian stone i.e. more than ten thousand years.``

Mantezuma the king of Mexicosad to Krish Spenishs our first people came from east. And In Nahua People Were came from India. There is word ` Nahush`. From this word Nahua word Became. After Next week we will tell you abouth this.

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Hindian neferious plan of proping Islamic Northern Alliance Afghan was bound to blow in the face .Instead of Pakistan ,now indian will face in NEFA there dragon nightmare & the `eat alive Pakistan Soldiers `in Kashmir.

Heightening tensions along border part of China`s gameplan

Jaideep Mazumdar

Kolkata, December 25



The “hostile actions” by the Chinese in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim is, according to strategic experts, part of a well-thought-out move to corner India on two fronts. China has also beefed up its presence in Myanmar’s Coco Islands on the Bay of Bengal and plans to move in two aircraft carriers that are under construction now to the area.

“India cannot concentrate exclusively on the western theatre with Pakistan if China undertakes these measures along Arunachal and Sikkim. And it could well be that it is goading Pakistan to anti-Indian actions in Rajasthan, Punjab and Kashmir. A distracted India is a weaker India and China stands to gain the most from it,” pointed out a senior army officer.

In fact, say serving and retired officer, the situation now is quite similar to the pre-1962 situation when Beijing lulled New Delhi into a false sense of complacency.

China constructed a load linking Tibet with Xinjiang Ugyur region in 1961. This road passed through Aksai Chin area of India and to thwart any further moves by Chibna, India sent its troops to defend that territory in November 1961. By October 1962, China launched a full-scale aggression.

“This time, too, China has started acting on its claims over Arunachal and Sikkim and has constructed roads and rail links right up to our borders. It is encouraging new Chinese towns just across the border to spill over slowly into India. It is upgrading its formidable military infrastructure in the Small Coco and Great Coco Islands by stationing radar squadrons, extending two runways and beefing up the naval base there.

``At the same time, Chinese leaders are talking of peaceful resolution of the border issue with India and are trying to charm the Indian leadership into thinking that China is no threat to India. Our Foreign Minister said as much when he visited Beijing in June 1999, though our Defence Minister did say in April 1998 that China continues to represent a security threat to us,” said a retired army officer who did not want to be named.

China, said a strategic expert, has a “long memory” and has never shied away on taking concrete action on its territorial claims.

“Look at tactics China has employed to keep Japan and other countries on a leash. Apart from keeping India under pressure on the eastern front, China has been employing Pakistan as a surrogate belligerent to jeopardize India’s security,” said an analyst.

China has also been sending out conflicting signals—a few months after Jaswant Singh declared that China was no security threat to India, Chinese President Jiang Zemin made highly derogatory references to India while speaking to President Bill Clinton.

Zemin reportedly said that India would be dealt with strongly if it does not stop providing shelter to Tibetan refugees and continues to oppose China’s efforts to integrate Arunachal and Sikkim with the rest of that country. The USA’s Central Intelligence Agency sums it the best: “Beijing treats India as a country to be threatened, belittled and kept in check”. This, and other such assessments by the CIA, can be found in the CIA Factbooks.

According to the army sources, India will take at least a decade to upgrade its infrastructure in the North East to what China has on its side of the LAC now. It is learnt that the Indian Air Force (IAF) installations in the eastern and northeastern region have also been put on alert.

(Concluded)

Part I: Tensions flare along Sino-Indian border

Further to #36,

The ``genius`` of the caste system is that it is insidiously hierarchical. If you were to protest against those above yourself, you risk protest from those below you. This keeps the system stable.

Soysauce:

Let me point out that when you had people admitted to courses in Physics on merit, India produced a Nobel laureate in the form of CV Raman. The other Nobel laureate in Physics, Prof. Chandrasekhar, graduated from Presidency College, Madras, and is supposed to have formulated some of the basic ideas regarding black holes when he sailed from India to England for his PhD.

Today, under the leadership of caste-based politicians, Presidency College is known to graduate (rather, hand out degrees to) thugs who engage in street agitation. Under your famous AL Mudaliar, Vice Chancellor of the University of Madras until he died, the Economics Department celebrated the centennial of its unchanged syllabus a couple of decades back. That is the PROGRESS you get when you get casteism into educational institutions.

One doesn`t have to be a Brahmin to achieve the pinnacles of academic, artistic and scientific achievement, though VC Raman and his nephew Chandrasekhar both were. But one must have a sense of curiosity which will lead you to ask questions on why things behave the way they do. A very well-known Indian scientist, Satyendranath Bose, for whom the subatomic particle boson is named, was not a Brahmin. But then, people like Bose did not look for seats on a quota basis but were willing to match their brains against the best in the world. That is why his name is now linked with that of Einstein in particle physics.

Tell me, you pathetic excuse for human tissue, what have the quota system physicists, chemists, metallurgists, doctors, engineers and architects have produced in the last 50 years?

Ref anarayan #: 35

[Contrary to what northies/pakis imagine, the southie languages have rich scope for invective that can make the northie maa-behen variety appear mildly amusing.]

Is that so? I always learn a couple of swear words in any new language I encounter so that I am armed with a proper response when I am swore at but let me tell you, the people speaking Kannada, Malayalam or Telugu have never once told me the equivalent of the maa-behn variety, as you so charmingly put it.

[A recent I overheard:``I`ll fry fish in your a-hole``!]

Being a vegetarian, I don`t hang out with the crowd that talks about frying fish so this one is new to me. Not that I intend to use it. The maa-behn variety is plenty sufficient for me.

Ref anNy #: 31

[bhaiharimau- why do you dislike all the nice indians? soyasauce and shankar are two of the insaanlike indians on chowk and you call them cockroaches. pls dont.]

I dislike intellectual dishonesty, which these two people, amomg others, have in plenty.

Did you notice that all the cockroaches have scurried away from the proposition in my post #32? I will wait till much after New Year`s Day to ensure that all of these mental midgets have come back from their vacations and have plenty of time to ruminate and vote before accusing them of

cowardice.