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Awakening: Yes your air analogy is much better then my river one. I shoulda said something about H20 cuz that is something that is free flowing, changes into three different states yet remains the same...

To tell u the truth, Im gonna stop speaking on these things, stop pretending like I know whatsup. Two dayz back I met this dude who`s 23 and by far the wisest person Ive ever met. He read me like a book, knew more about me then i knew about myself (knew sh1t about me I was too BLIND to see). Literally changed my life. He said I think too much about the spiritual which is NOT good cuz he sees my soul leaving my body and it aint time yet. He said I need to find an earthly hobby and get away from the spiritual for a time being...

RE: Shirin #19

Thanks

Ras

DRUMZ #29

wow! thanks for the response...i like how you wrote that ``our experiences/lessons have an impact on others``....yes, here i agree with you...experiences can mean ``lessons``, impact or effect of these events in live to effect in ALL ways....... :)

i do believe that the syncro-dynamic nature of ALL is not so accurately described with a stream metaphor.........i would suggest that something of a gas-like phenomenon be more accurate........perhaps the analogy of the ALL like the air we breathe......

one cannot push a river, either....nor ``control`` air unless with sophisticated thinking and the spontaneous creation of machines to prove MAN has known truth..........

yet, the ``right stream`` analogy does not imply the untimate surrender to a greater power....air does not choose the ``right`` direction to go in....IT just exists and flows into ALL things....to let go and surrender the need to control the outter environment around is so much more of a thought-filled lesson that thinking of how to make an aqua-duct for the little bit of stream one can embrace there hands on........air to seep into all things to survival benefit of others around.........surrender to death and its consequences...........air to no air to death...

just my opinion:)

Awakening Now

AAmir #

`` I dont know who wrote it BUT ITS NOT ME (disclaimer)i hope i can find the poets name.``

Acha !! its not you :)))))))) and yes i would love to find out whose poetry it is ! Thanks :)

sa:)

Dear temporal

I am absolutely clueless, as to what to write.

May Allah have mercy on you all.

HN: The subject will be MIA till the end of january (thank god)...

Awakening: If one concentrates on ALL experiences, she may miss the forest for the trees. That we live under a Matrix is not a scientific fact, but the synchronicities of human experience seem to point towards that as being true. If u will imagine life as a stream, it seems that the stream acts as a guide, its momentum (everyday interaction) shifts u further crosspoints, where the stream divides into 2+ smaller streams. The path we take has consequences and it is on us to empirically chose what we feel is the ``right`` stream. Thus smaller events take us down the road of major intersections, and that is how everything is connected. The ``wordly environment`` idea is KEY. It does appear to be true that we are all connected with eachother and with nature as well. Thus our experiences/lessons have an impact on others... Hope this makes some (ANY) sense...

Hamid: Yeah, its almost a law that anything which tries to help us, does the opposite. I cant say I agree with the death thing, currently I welcome death with open arms.

Dost: That reminds me of the australian aboriginals who call life ``dream time`` for the same reason. They KEY is that we sometimes know that the dream we`re in is NOT real (it disobeys laws of space and time). If we`re perceptive to the same laws being broken in ``reality`` (ESP, dejavu etc) we can conclude that this too is some sort of dream... Maya is much like any religion (made to desensitize us to the realities of life) however, it duz have truth to it. But like farzana said, we would be missing the ocean for the stream if we didn`t put ALL our stock into THIS life (the donkey never gets the corrot)...

``The world exists only in name,

Illusory-All material things.``

-Ghalib.

Aamir #

That was a beautiful piece you posted .Kis ka kalaam hai ? can u post the remainder of it , if there are more verses to it !

Thanks ,

sa:)

DRUMZ#3

re: reincarnation bit ``FACTS/LESSONS`` I like how you state that humans are in constant contact and respond to illusions...this I agree with, but the very idea that a soul can learn a ``lesson`` from all experiences needs further explanation please...

souls may or may not learn a ``lesson`` from any event....I think that the interaction and subsequent response of the self to the worldly environment is quite in need of greater investigation.

sensacion#8

I really appreciate how you wrote ``but its not just a person dying...it is a whole network of emotions linked and scattered like a web which die with that person....``

Isn`t it interesting sensacion that with the simple knowledge of this person`s death all of these idea are born here around this story? So the web of ideas are created too...

just a new idea for you to respond to...

awakening now:)

temporal

I like the part of the poem where the essential feeling of the loss of the son is equivalent to ``fond dreams imprisoned in memory cells``...almost securing the memory of the person dying will remain safely intact in the memory..........

The poem begins to disturb my shear acceptance of the truth that this wonderful moment in time will disolve and go away...why can not the memory stay imprisoned in a memory cell...the womb of hope for tomorrow? why did you write that these burning memories could be melted, disolved, vanished with the simple acceptance that this memory cell existed? Cannot the memory of the son be kept forever entact? why does the death of the boy change the existence of the memory cell?

just a question

awakening hopeful for the answer:)

drumz #7

``The biggest obstacle to understanding Life (and God) is religion.``

..... drumz, you say the smartest things sometimes ....... religion is such a distraction ... death is darn scary and it gets scarier as you get older and start loosing loved ones, never to see them again - or that`s what i thought

....ever since i saw the movie ``contact`` i have slept better - sometimes you find answers to profound questions in the oddest places ........

temporal

u forgot to write for us this diwali.

anyway, we`re holding a seminar on kashmir in mumbai around march. bb and farhatullah babar will represent pakistan. also calling khaled ahmed, dennis kux, the younger leaders of the aphc and the abdullahs. would u like to come?

write to me on my mid day id.

regards

aakar

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Aamir # 20

Dr. Sahib khairiat tou hai na ?????

sa:)

t,

Welcome back to your original hunting ground, after poaching in my part of the LoC. Wonder when you crossed the no-man`s land did you remember or at least feel like Toba Tek Singh.

I often reel like TTS here at chowk itself :)

PS: Did you manage to see Manto`s house?

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