Enough is Enough
Shankar December 30, 2001
#54 Posted by soundmeister on January 4, 2001 1:45:16 pm
Shankar,
I lost some respect for you when you failed to reply to my last post, but after reading this last monstrosity of yours, I`m more convinced than ever that you`re a wuss, a loser, a pathetic excuse for a human being who will never take any pride in what he does and spend his life with his hands in other people`s sh1t.
Wake up to the fact that Saxena and others here have absolutely no respect for your writing ability and just enjoy kicking you around like a football.
Learn some self-respect man. It`s embarrassing.
SM
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Yo Saxena!
Heheh--of all the damn things to criticise, you pick on my spelling?! C`mon, pal of mine, youre losing your touch. At least come up with some creative insults to strengthen our friendship.
Hows this: you idiotic quack; did you get youre degree out of a crackerjack box?! $#%$
Sheesh, I gotta do everything to keep up our friendship. This wont do, you know..
PS ..say anything , but dont call me a chut. Its become a big no no around here..
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I lost some respect for you when you failed to reply to my last post, but after reading this last monstrosity of yours, I`m more convinced than ever that you`re a wuss, a loser, a pathetic excuse for a human being who will never take any pride in what he does and spend his life with his hands in other people`s sh1t.
Wake up to the fact that Saxena and others here have absolutely no respect for your writing ability and just enjoy kicking you around like a football.
Learn some self-respect man. It`s embarrassing.
SM
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Yo Saxena!
Heheh--of all the damn things to criticise, you pick on my spelling?! C`mon, pal of mine, youre losing your touch. At least come up with some creative insults to strengthen our friendship.
Hows this: you idiotic quack; did you get youre degree out of a crackerjack box?! $#%$
Sheesh, I gotta do everything to keep up our friendship. This wont do, you know..
PS ..say anything , but dont call me a chut. Its become a big no no around here..
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#53 Posted by shankar on January 4, 2001 12:59:25 am
Yo Saxena!
Heheh--of all the damn things to criticise, you pick on my spelling?! C`mon, pal of mine, youre losing your touch. At least come up with some creative insults to strengthen our friendship.
Hows this: you idiotic quack; did you get youre degree out of a crackerjack box?! $#%$
Sheesh, I gotta do everything to keep up our friendship. This wont do, you know..
PS ..say anything , but dont call me a chut. Its become a big no no around here..
Heheh--of all the damn things to criticise, you pick on my spelling?! C`mon, pal of mine, youre losing your touch. At least come up with some creative insults to strengthen our friendship.
Hows this: you idiotic quack; did you get youre degree out of a crackerjack box?! $#%$
Sheesh, I gotta do everything to keep up our friendship. This wont do, you know..
PS ..say anything , but dont call me a chut. Its become a big no no around here..
#52 Posted by Romair on January 3, 2001 2:01:35 pm
shankar #73: Your points, as usual, are well taken.
Your views about America are correct; unfortunate, illegal, immoral in terms of foreign policy; but correct all the same.
``There is really NO mechanism to do that.``
Actually there is a mechanism to do that. It is the mechanism of the UN and ICJ. If you take a look at the resolutions and decisions passed by these two organizations, you will be surprised how fair many of them are (the whole Western world votes against the US on Israeli related resolutions). The problem is there is no way for any of these organizations to implement their decisions. But at least, they do point out who is in the wrong. That is better than just declaring war on each other.
Pakistan has been able to prove in the UN that India`s stance on lack of plebescite in Kashmir is immoral and illegal. However, the UN has not been able to force India to take any action. Pakisatan would have gotten a decision in its favor in the ICJ for the Naval aircraft case, however India sidelined the ICJ. However, if India was able to get a decision against Pakistan in these two institutions, Pakistan would not be able to ignore it. Pakistan is not influential enough. If it did ignore it, then there would be quite a bit of justification for India threatening Pakistan, and Pakistan would not have any way to protest.
If the ICJ declares certain Pakistanis to be involved in the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament, and Pakistan does not hand them over, then India can attack Pakistan to its heart`s desire. I would have no argument. After all, that is exactly the argument I have been using to justify the Kashmiri freedom struggle.
I hope George Bush`s view of the world isn`t as simplistic as you have pointed out. If it is then it will only result in more terrorism against the US. So far there has been no effective deterence developed to counter people who, rightly or wrongly, are willing to die for a cause. Perhaps W. has come up with one.
What the world (and Kashmir) needs are Marshall plans, of all varieties. If the US assists in rebuilding Afghanistan, it will gain the Afghans as allies. If the Indians do the same in Kashmir, they will get the same results. If the US does so in Palestine, same results.
The world will become a much better place if there are no superpowers. That is what successful Western democracies go out of their way to implement within their own countries, i.e. no single province or state should be able to veto and dominate the other provinces or states. However, in foreign policy, they do exactly the opposite.
If the world cannot have zeor superpowers, then it needs to have two or more.
Your views about America are correct; unfortunate, illegal, immoral in terms of foreign policy; but correct all the same.
``There is really NO mechanism to do that.``
Actually there is a mechanism to do that. It is the mechanism of the UN and ICJ. If you take a look at the resolutions and decisions passed by these two organizations, you will be surprised how fair many of them are (the whole Western world votes against the US on Israeli related resolutions). The problem is there is no way for any of these organizations to implement their decisions. But at least, they do point out who is in the wrong. That is better than just declaring war on each other.
Pakistan has been able to prove in the UN that India`s stance on lack of plebescite in Kashmir is immoral and illegal. However, the UN has not been able to force India to take any action. Pakisatan would have gotten a decision in its favor in the ICJ for the Naval aircraft case, however India sidelined the ICJ. However, if India was able to get a decision against Pakistan in these two institutions, Pakistan would not be able to ignore it. Pakistan is not influential enough. If it did ignore it, then there would be quite a bit of justification for India threatening Pakistan, and Pakistan would not have any way to protest.
If the ICJ declares certain Pakistanis to be involved in the terrorist attack on the Indian Parliament, and Pakistan does not hand them over, then India can attack Pakistan to its heart`s desire. I would have no argument. After all, that is exactly the argument I have been using to justify the Kashmiri freedom struggle.
I hope George Bush`s view of the world isn`t as simplistic as you have pointed out. If it is then it will only result in more terrorism against the US. So far there has been no effective deterence developed to counter people who, rightly or wrongly, are willing to die for a cause. Perhaps W. has come up with one.
What the world (and Kashmir) needs are Marshall plans, of all varieties. If the US assists in rebuilding Afghanistan, it will gain the Afghans as allies. If the Indians do the same in Kashmir, they will get the same results. If the US does so in Palestine, same results.
The world will become a much better place if there are no superpowers. That is what successful Western democracies go out of their way to implement within their own countries, i.e. no single province or state should be able to veto and dominate the other provinces or states. However, in foreign policy, they do exactly the opposite.
If the world cannot have zeor superpowers, then it needs to have two or more.
#51 Posted by rsaxena on January 3, 2001 2:01:35 pm
re: shrinker
``hypocracy``
...for over a year now i have seen you abuse butcher this fine word with your horrendous spelling...here goes a new year`s gift from me to you: H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y
got it?
...you are an embarrassment to the indian education system, which you claim to be a product of...i doubt your claim...most schools in india will beat your knuckles with a metal ruler till you learn to spell and add...
``hypocracy``
...for over a year now i have seen you abuse butcher this fine word with your horrendous spelling...here goes a new year`s gift from me to you: H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y
got it?
...you are an embarrassment to the indian education system, which you claim to be a product of...i doubt your claim...most schools in india will beat your knuckles with a metal ruler till you learn to spell and add...
#50 Posted by shammi on January 3, 2001 2:01:35 pm
Re: Bhardwaj
``...And unfortunate part is India ...``
I think that in such matters, you mind your own business, and we mind ours.
``...And unfortunate part is India ...``
I think that in such matters, you mind your own business, and we mind ours.
#49 Posted by scout on January 3, 2001 2:01:35 pm
Romair #74,
you need to lighten up brother :)
i was adding to your sense of humor
you need to lighten up brother :)
i was adding to your sense of humor
#48 Posted by Ras Siddiqui on January 3, 2001 11:03:00 am
Peace Rally
To stop war between India-Pakistan
Date: Saturday, January 5, 2002
Time: 10:00 A.M.
Place: Union Square
San Francisco
Corner of Powell and Gary
Please be on time
Please urge your friends to attend. All peace loving people are invited to participate, regardless of nationality, color or creed.
#47 Posted by Romair on January 3, 2001 9:01:03 am
scout #67: You need to develop a sense of humor. Life without humor leads to violence and uptightness. At least let others enjoy humor, if you don`t want to.
There is enough abuse on this site, as it is. No need to add more to it. The last thing this site needs is a group of people who think they are, ``justly`` abusing others. In that sense, people like Chandan are better. At least, they know they are abusing, and do so openly, without a chip on their shoulder. They are not trying to turn themselves into an abuse police, by abusing others.
Everyone isn`t your enemy. So learn to crack jokes and smile a little bit. Or mind you own business, and at least let others smile. Or continue your abuse. Your choice....
There is enough abuse on this site, as it is. No need to add more to it. The last thing this site needs is a group of people who think they are, ``justly`` abusing others. In that sense, people like Chandan are better. At least, they know they are abusing, and do so openly, without a chip on their shoulder. They are not trying to turn themselves into an abuse police, by abusing others.
Everyone isn`t your enemy. So learn to crack jokes and smile a little bit. Or mind you own business, and at least let others smile. Or continue your abuse. Your choice....
#46 Posted by shankar on January 3, 2001 9:01:03 am
Romair,
{{Anytime any terrorist activity takes place in any country, it should declare war on the other, without bothering about legalities. That is the best way to handle Indo-Pak conflicts. Now if only the Indians would agree to such an approach}}
Absolutely right! Kill the frikking banias!:)
OK seriously, your point is well taken--so stop beating a dead horse. There is really NO mechanism to do that. The UN & World Court, in theory, are supposed to be avenues where conflicts were supposed to be resolved in a civilised fashion. Those mechanisms are nothing but a farce. Time & again, they have been sidelined by the very countries that created them in the first place.
In reality; a new world order is already forming--esp since GWB came to the White House. Americans (Republicans in particular) seem to have a very clear, ``uncomplicated`` view of what is ``good`` & what is ``bad``. Of course, America is ``good`` & those who disagree are ``bad``. Those AMERICANS who disagree are ``hand wringing, bleeding heart liberals``. They are totally sidelined. 90+% of Americans are approving GWB`s actions today. What does that tell you?!
During the Cold War, at least the Soviet Union would provide some counterbalance. Not to say that the Soviets were ``good``. Personally, compared to America, they were bigger, hypocritical mofos. Now youre hoping (& betting) that China will be an effective counterbalance to America in the next 20 years. Wow! compared to what China has done (& is doing) in Tibet & Xinjaing (?sp), Indians are frikking saintly in Kashmir:) Of course, that doesnt stop your hero Mushy to appeal to all ``freedom loving Chinese`` to stop agitating for their rights & become GOOD Chinese citizens.
OK. Let me retierate that when it comes to hypocracy, deviousness & double standards, Indians are right up there-- among the top ten! Conscience in India?!---foggitaboutit! When it comes down to the nitty gritty, I`m just as big a mofo hypocritical Indian as the rest of the billion. So when my Indian ``friends`` accuse me of being a handwring, hypocrite, peacenik Paki hugger & kisser upper-- I cant completely disagree; but I enjoy giving gaalis to those chu-- er, sorry, dickheads:)
Now, about Pakistan. When you are directly asked if Pakistan`s conduct is right in Kashmir; or if Pakistan does`nt support terrorism or if Pakistan is this pious, peace loving nation that is built on the principles of Jinnah?---you stand up & say NOOO-I NEVER SAID THAT--DONT YOU DARE TWIST MY WORDS! With righteous indignation, to boot. But thats how you SPIN it, in your arguments, my friend. Deny it as much as you want. But just listen to what you say. And dont you DARE ask me ``just show me one post where I said that?!`` I`m not the only Indian who calls you a spin doctor. So come join our ``Hypocrite Club``. And, one more thing---for Heaven`s sake, get a slightly thicker skin when you are criticised--``unfairly``, by us, of course:)
So you want to fight this unfair, hypocritical new World Order by immigrating to Canada, eh?! Do you have any idea what youre talking aboooot? Those Canucks are backing the US 100%. Maybe cos their skulls have been hit by too many hockey pucks.
Oh, dont look at me that way! I can almost see your fair Kashmiri complexion turn beet red:) If there`s one thing I hate, its your stony silence when youre mad. Hey, a cowardly bania like me prefers to fight on Chowk than against your ``world famous`` military:)
Peace, brother!
{{Anytime any terrorist activity takes place in any country, it should declare war on the other, without bothering about legalities. That is the best way to handle Indo-Pak conflicts. Now if only the Indians would agree to such an approach}}
Absolutely right! Kill the frikking banias!:)
OK seriously, your point is well taken--so stop beating a dead horse. There is really NO mechanism to do that. The UN & World Court, in theory, are supposed to be avenues where conflicts were supposed to be resolved in a civilised fashion. Those mechanisms are nothing but a farce. Time & again, they have been sidelined by the very countries that created them in the first place.
In reality; a new world order is already forming--esp since GWB came to the White House. Americans (Republicans in particular) seem to have a very clear, ``uncomplicated`` view of what is ``good`` & what is ``bad``. Of course, America is ``good`` & those who disagree are ``bad``. Those AMERICANS who disagree are ``hand wringing, bleeding heart liberals``. They are totally sidelined. 90+% of Americans are approving GWB`s actions today. What does that tell you?!
During the Cold War, at least the Soviet Union would provide some counterbalance. Not to say that the Soviets were ``good``. Personally, compared to America, they were bigger, hypocritical mofos. Now youre hoping (& betting) that China will be an effective counterbalance to America in the next 20 years. Wow! compared to what China has done (& is doing) in Tibet & Xinjaing (?sp), Indians are frikking saintly in Kashmir:) Of course, that doesnt stop your hero Mushy to appeal to all ``freedom loving Chinese`` to stop agitating for their rights & become GOOD Chinese citizens.
OK. Let me retierate that when it comes to hypocracy, deviousness & double standards, Indians are right up there-- among the top ten! Conscience in India?!---foggitaboutit! When it comes down to the nitty gritty, I`m just as big a mofo hypocritical Indian as the rest of the billion. So when my Indian ``friends`` accuse me of being a handwring, hypocrite, peacenik Paki hugger & kisser upper-- I cant completely disagree; but I enjoy giving gaalis to those chu-- er, sorry, dickheads:)
Now, about Pakistan. When you are directly asked if Pakistan`s conduct is right in Kashmir; or if Pakistan does`nt support terrorism or if Pakistan is this pious, peace loving nation that is built on the principles of Jinnah?---you stand up & say NOOO-I NEVER SAID THAT--DONT YOU DARE TWIST MY WORDS! With righteous indignation, to boot. But thats how you SPIN it, in your arguments, my friend. Deny it as much as you want. But just listen to what you say. And dont you DARE ask me ``just show me one post where I said that?!`` I`m not the only Indian who calls you a spin doctor. So come join our ``Hypocrite Club``. And, one more thing---for Heaven`s sake, get a slightly thicker skin when you are criticised--``unfairly``, by us, of course:)
So you want to fight this unfair, hypocritical new World Order by immigrating to Canada, eh?! Do you have any idea what youre talking aboooot? Those Canucks are backing the US 100%. Maybe cos their skulls have been hit by too many hockey pucks.
Oh, dont look at me that way! I can almost see your fair Kashmiri complexion turn beet red:) If there`s one thing I hate, its your stony silence when youre mad. Hey, a cowardly bania like me prefers to fight on Chowk than against your ``world famous`` military:)
Peace, brother!
#45 Posted by dullabhatti on January 3, 2001 1:19:44 am
Romair #65
if the news is true then who is really in trouble is Pakistani men.:)
if the news is true then who is really in trouble is Pakistani men.:)
#44 Posted by dullabhatti on January 3, 2001 1:19:44 am
I hate that situation has come to this point and war clouds are looming over our heads. god forbid if war happens I will have almost 90% of my relatives and friends in the war zone. It is giving me very nervous, scared and helplessness feeling.
having said that...the way some of the jihadis are showing to be the most anti-war peace loving souls while hiding their wet pants..it does give me some pleasure.
having said that...the way some of the jihadis are showing to be the most anti-war peace loving souls while hiding their wet pants..it does give me some pleasure.
#43 Posted by scout on January 3, 2001 1:19:44 am
shankar bhai,
i actually agree with `chandan.` you shouldn`t have used THAT word.
though i wouldn`t mind you calling him a dickhead, since that term fits male psyches pretty well.
lets leave females out of it.
i actually agree with `chandan.` you shouldn`t have used THAT word.
though i wouldn`t mind you calling him a dickhead, since that term fits male psyches pretty well.
lets leave females out of it.
#42 Posted by scout on January 3, 2001 1:19:44 am
Romair #65, `` would highly encourage all Pakistani females on Chowk to join. Boxing is good for your health. It smoothens your complexion. Removes dandruff and split ends. And gets rid of cellulite.``
yeah, i think i`ll join, just to beat the crap out of MCP`s like yourself.
yeah, i think i`ll join, just to beat the crap out of MCP`s like yourself.
#41 Posted by sadna on January 2, 2001 11:36:28 pm
http://www.markazdawa.org/English/magazines/VOICE/200108/activities_of_lashker.htm
My favourite is this typical listing under `Jihadic activities`:
July 7 : 7 polytheist Hindus dispatched to Hell
:)
#40 Posted by Romair on January 2, 2001 10:08:07 pm
Indians are in big trouble now.
If you thought the Pakistani men were bigger and tougher (not to mention better looking) than you guys (not counting Sikhs; who are honorary Pakistanis, anyways :-)), just wait till the Pakistani women get at you.
``PABF to introduce women`s boxing
KARACHI: ...Pakistan Amateur Boxing Federation (PABF) has decided to launch women boxing in Pakistan soon.
The joint secretary and spokesmen of PABF, Ali Akbar Shah disclosed to PPI here on Wednesday that PABF is expected to announce this month the formation of its women wing and invite the interested Pakistan women boxers to join the women boxing.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)
I would highly encourage all Pakistani females on Chowk to join. Boxing is good for your health. It smoothens your complexion. Removes dandruff and split ends. And gets rid of cellulite. Not to mention the fact, it will make Advani think twice, before launching his nukes.
If you thought the Pakistani men were bigger and tougher (not to mention better looking) than you guys (not counting Sikhs; who are honorary Pakistanis, anyways :-)), just wait till the Pakistani women get at you.
``PABF to introduce women`s boxing
KARACHI: ...Pakistan Amateur Boxing Federation (PABF) has decided to launch women boxing in Pakistan soon.
The joint secretary and spokesmen of PABF, Ali Akbar Shah disclosed to PPI here on Wednesday that PABF is expected to announce this month the formation of its women wing and invite the interested Pakistan women boxers to join the women boxing.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)
I would highly encourage all Pakistani females on Chowk to join. Boxing is good for your health. It smoothens your complexion. Removes dandruff and split ends. And gets rid of cellulite. Not to mention the fact, it will make Advani think twice, before launching his nukes.
#39 Posted by Romair on January 2, 2001 10:08:07 pm
Time to declare war:
``Four Indian agents held
TANDO ADAM: Four people, allegedly involved in planting bomb at railway track in Tando Adam, district Sanghar on December 25 last, have been arrested by police along with another bomb and subversive material.
Addressing a news conference here on Wednesday, SSP Sanghar Shahid Hanif said the arrested terrorists confessed that they received terrorists` training in India and had visited the country several times.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)
I think Pakistan should now declare war on India. It should carry out the largest mobilization of forces in thirty years. It should arm its missiles and nuclear weapons. And under no circumstances, should it agree to providing any evidence, under any international law. It is time that Pakistan finally decide everything with India, once and for all, and threaten nuclear war.
Oh wait!! Someone already beat us to it.....
Anytime any terrorist activity takes place in any country, it should declare war on the other, without bothering about legalities. That is the best way to handle Indo-Pak conflicts. Now if only the Indians would agree to such an approach....
``Four Indian agents held
TANDO ADAM: Four people, allegedly involved in planting bomb at railway track in Tando Adam, district Sanghar on December 25 last, have been arrested by police along with another bomb and subversive material.
Addressing a news conference here on Wednesday, SSP Sanghar Shahid Hanif said the arrested terrorists confessed that they received terrorists` training in India and had visited the country several times.`` (NEWS, Pakistan)
I think Pakistan should now declare war on India. It should carry out the largest mobilization of forces in thirty years. It should arm its missiles and nuclear weapons. And under no circumstances, should it agree to providing any evidence, under any international law. It is time that Pakistan finally decide everything with India, once and for all, and threaten nuclear war.
Oh wait!! Someone already beat us to it.....
Anytime any terrorist activity takes place in any country, it should declare war on the other, without bothering about legalities. That is the best way to handle Indo-Pak conflicts. Now if only the Indians would agree to such an approach....
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