Farzana Versey January 5, 2002
#154 Posted by sadna on January 14, 2002 10:52:55 am
RSaxena #158
Um thanks for the tips, brings back memories of journeys back in desh :).
Though re NY wish I could figure whats the fun in being forced to squeeze past the eternally double-parked and dodge the crazies which arenot, simply to get from point A to a nearby point B on legitimate business? Or measure ones worth in the world with the street number on ones address or have to seek meaning in the saga of so many people piled upon each other anyhow on a small island(or two), all wearing black ...?
Oops, NOW I am condemned to eternal hell :)
Um thanks for the tips, brings back memories of journeys back in desh :).
Though re NY wish I could figure whats the fun in being forced to squeeze past the eternally double-parked and dodge the crazies which arenot, simply to get from point A to a nearby point B on legitimate business? Or measure ones worth in the world with the street number on ones address or have to seek meaning in the saga of so many people piled upon each other anyhow on a small island(or two), all wearing black ...?
Oops, NOW I am condemned to eternal hell :)
#153 Posted by tahmed321 on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
ali1 #146 ``Thanks for your vigilance and protecting decent chowk.com readers from vulgar postings written by hate filled individuals..``
Ha! Ha! It is too bad that you have had to put up with such vulgarities on the internet.
Ha! Ha! It is too bad that you have had to put up with such vulgarities on the internet.
#152 Posted by Prem on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
audio-video-radio # 152
I am not sure why I should respond to you. One, I detest you. Two, I care deeply for someone who does not support homosexuality. Three, you are likely to use any information I provide against Pakistan, justified or not.
Still, since you claim to be a sociologist, and sociologists are supposed to possess a ``sociological imagination,`` it will require no intelligence on your part to see that the whole issue of homosexuality is tied up with other issues of deviance, control, and therefore, modes of control such as religion. I hope you will read the following to understand that when it comes to sex, Pakistan is just like any other society, normal or abnormal.
Info:
To begin, you may want to read the book ``Islamic Homosexualities: Culture, History and Literature,`` published by the NYU Press. The book is written by Stephen Murray and Will Roscoe, and situates the problem in the context of a religious identity.
More specific to Pakistan, look into research on the subject of Pakistani homosexuality, conducted by some Pakistanis (can`t recall their names right now) at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. Their conclusion, if I remember right, was that excessive focus on segregating males and females was a primary cause leading men to turn into homosexuals. IMO, that is only a partial explanation.
For the legal, formal status of homosexuals and homosexuality in Pakistan, go to -
http://www.ilga.org/Information/legal_survey/asia_pacific/pakistan.htm# *Laws
The World Health Organization has also been concerned about the spread of HIV/AIDS in Pakistan, as in India, accelerated by these societies` refusal/inability to confront the issue of homosexuality openly. Visit their website at
http://www.who.int
and you will get a ton of information on Pakistan, homosexuality and AIDS.
I am not sure why I should respond to you. One, I detest you. Two, I care deeply for someone who does not support homosexuality. Three, you are likely to use any information I provide against Pakistan, justified or not.
Still, since you claim to be a sociologist, and sociologists are supposed to possess a ``sociological imagination,`` it will require no intelligence on your part to see that the whole issue of homosexuality is tied up with other issues of deviance, control, and therefore, modes of control such as religion. I hope you will read the following to understand that when it comes to sex, Pakistan is just like any other society, normal or abnormal.
Info:
To begin, you may want to read the book ``Islamic Homosexualities: Culture, History and Literature,`` published by the NYU Press. The book is written by Stephen Murray and Will Roscoe, and situates the problem in the context of a religious identity.
More specific to Pakistan, look into research on the subject of Pakistani homosexuality, conducted by some Pakistanis (can`t recall their names right now) at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. Their conclusion, if I remember right, was that excessive focus on segregating males and females was a primary cause leading men to turn into homosexuals. IMO, that is only a partial explanation.
For the legal, formal status of homosexuals and homosexuality in Pakistan, go to -
http://www.ilga.org/Information/legal_survey/asia_pacific/pakistan.htm# *Laws
The World Health Organization has also been concerned about the spread of HIV/AIDS in Pakistan, as in India, accelerated by these societies` refusal/inability to confront the issue of homosexuality openly. Visit their website at
http://www.who.int
and you will get a ton of information on Pakistan, homosexuality and AIDS.
#151 Posted by Prem on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
DRUMZ,
I wouldn`t know much about them. My guess is one of those two good ladies is bad, while the other is worse.
I wouldn`t know much about them. My guess is one of those two good ladies is bad, while the other is worse.
#149 Posted by soundmeister on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
saminashah #120:
ABCD nahin maloom? Just about sums up the Indians and Pakistanis on chowk and elsewhere... show this list to your Ummi...
RSax et all: *Atal Behari Cool Daddy....
*Al-Qaeda Bal-Qaeda Carnivorous Dacoits
Urstruly at al: *All Brahmins Cruel Dalitbashers
*All Bharatiyas Cowardly Dogs
Baaki junta: *Arre Bhai, Cool Down
*Asians Bhai-Chaara Dikhaye
ali1 et al: Arre BhoCD ke...
..... and ultimately....
Shankar et al: All bloody crude desis
Hope this clarifies :),
SM
ABCD nahin maloom? Just about sums up the Indians and Pakistanis on chowk and elsewhere... show this list to your Ummi...
RSax et all: *Atal Behari Cool Daddy....
*Al-Qaeda Bal-Qaeda Carnivorous Dacoits
Urstruly at al: *All Brahmins Cruel Dalitbashers
*All Bharatiyas Cowardly Dogs
Baaki junta: *Arre Bhai, Cool Down
*Asians Bhai-Chaara Dikhaye
ali1 et al: Arre BhoCD ke...
..... and ultimately....
Shankar et al: All bloody crude desis
Hope this clarifies :),
SM
#148 Posted by ZafarA on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
Reply ali1, AVR # 157
``Reply # 152 audio-video-radio
[As a student of socialogy, I am genuinely interested to know about the gay community, its size, prevalence and potentiality in Pakistan]
Dear avr, I cordially invite you to Pakistan to explore the size, potential etc. I assure you a most memorable and pleasurable stay``
Hmmm...this sounds like a less than completely altruistic invitation. Khair...AVR, please have a shower before going and also wear clean chaddees. Desh ki izzat ka savaal hai...
``Reply # 152 audio-video-radio
[As a student of socialogy, I am genuinely interested to know about the gay community, its size, prevalence and potentiality in Pakistan]
Dear avr, I cordially invite you to Pakistan to explore the size, potential etc. I assure you a most memorable and pleasurable stay``
Hmmm...this sounds like a less than completely altruistic invitation. Khair...AVR, please have a shower before going and also wear clean chaddees. Desh ki izzat ka savaal hai...
#147 Posted by Lajwanti on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
Reply Ali1 #157
Reply # 152 audio-video-radio
[As a student of socialogy, I am genuinely interested to know about the gay community, its size, prevalence and potentiality in Pakistan]
Dear avr, I cordially invite you to Pakistan to explore the size, potential etc. I assure you a most memorable and pleasurable stay.
........... 1 down 71 to go ................
Plz I am begging dO NOT; FALL INTO TRAP!!!! Why you are pretending to know size and all these things, pleasrable etc. hain? Plz kep focus on Hindia, not on dirty things. This is haram.
I amstill stadning up for you. Otherpeople arenot - LEARNB FROM MISTAKE!!!!!!!
Reply # 152 audio-video-radio
[As a student of socialogy, I am genuinely interested to know about the gay community, its size, prevalence and potentiality in Pakistan]
Dear avr, I cordially invite you to Pakistan to explore the size, potential etc. I assure you a most memorable and pleasurable stay.
........... 1 down 71 to go ................
Plz I am begging dO NOT; FALL INTO TRAP!!!! Why you are pretending to know size and all these things, pleasrable etc. hain? Plz kep focus on Hindia, not on dirty things. This is haram.
I amstill stadning up for you. Otherpeople arenot - LEARNB FROM MISTAKE!!!!!!!
#146 Posted by rsaxena on January 14, 2002 2:30:17 am
re: sadna
{{Hey, are you saying things would be dull here without Indians around ?}}
of course...what makes chowk entertaining?...romair`s broken-record rantings about PAF and Kashmir?...hobbyty`s sermons for all to join islam?...without indians around to shoot down these messages, there would be nothing going on...they`d all agree with each other...hamidm would go mad without horrible indians, particularly hindoos, around...don`t you think?....
{{Wait-a-minute, tons? Perhaps you ought to share your secret with us chowkwallahs, there are many needy souls here.. :)}}
...if you`re in new york, there`s no shortage of interesting and intelligent people...even some of the bums on the street are pretty smart if you`re willing to overlook their current predicament and talk to them...why, just last week a woman got on the subway and informed us that `JESUS HAS TAKEN OVER THIS TRAIN - BLESS THE LORD` and then told ALL us riders that we were sinners and were going to pay on Judgement Day for not joining her in her song-n-dance on the train...hehe...
{{Hey, are you saying things would be dull here without Indians around ?}}
of course...what makes chowk entertaining?...romair`s broken-record rantings about PAF and Kashmir?...hobbyty`s sermons for all to join islam?...without indians around to shoot down these messages, there would be nothing going on...they`d all agree with each other...hamidm would go mad without horrible indians, particularly hindoos, around...don`t you think?....
{{Wait-a-minute, tons? Perhaps you ought to share your secret with us chowkwallahs, there are many needy souls here.. :)}}
...if you`re in new york, there`s no shortage of interesting and intelligent people...even some of the bums on the street are pretty smart if you`re willing to overlook their current predicament and talk to them...why, just last week a woman got on the subway and informed us that `JESUS HAS TAKEN OVER THIS TRAIN - BLESS THE LORD` and then told ALL us riders that we were sinners and were going to pay on Judgement Day for not joining her in her song-n-dance on the train...hehe...
#145 Posted by ali1 on January 14, 2002 2:30:17 am
Reply # 152 audio-video-radio
[As a student of socialogy, I am genuinely interested to know about the gay community, its size, prevalence and potentiality in Pakistan]
Dear avr, I cordially invite you to Pakistan to explore the size, potential etc. I assure you a most memorable and pleasurable stay.
........... 1 down 71 to go ................
[As a student of socialogy, I am genuinely interested to know about the gay community, its size, prevalence and potentiality in Pakistan]
Dear avr, I cordially invite you to Pakistan to explore the size, potential etc. I assure you a most memorable and pleasurable stay.
........... 1 down 71 to go ................
#144 Posted by scout on January 14, 2002 12:30:17 am
DRUMZ #149,
``Prem: Help me out, I cant figure out who`s more annoying anny or scout? Whod u think?``
don`t talk about me behind my back...it`s so damn annoying.
``Prem: Help me out, I cant figure out who`s more annoying anny or scout? Whod u think?``
don`t talk about me behind my back...it`s so damn annoying.
#143 Posted by anarayan on January 14, 2002 12:30:17 am
Drumz,
Liked your rebuttal to Ali1 and also your composition. No doubt YOU are the greatest...but...these western folk still seem to think Ali is the GREATEST. What gives ???!!!
regards,
Liked your rebuttal to Ali1 and also your composition. No doubt YOU are the greatest...but...these western folk still seem to think Ali is the GREATEST. What gives ???!!!
regards,
#142 Posted by Lajwanti on January 14, 2002 12:30:17 am
Reply Harimiaow # 133
Ref Lajwanti #: 126
[Bow Wow! Moooooooo!!!! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]
Will you please choose just one of these species to have sex with? Thanks.
No. Not both of them. No way!
Hopw about duck? I BET YOU LIKING DUCKS!!! (Probably duckLING!)
Quack. Quack. QUACKQUACKQUACKQUACKQUAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKK!
That was good for you, hain?
Ok, now I am lighting cigarette.
Ref Lajwanti #: 126
[Bow Wow! Moooooooo!!!! MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]
Will you please choose just one of these species to have sex with? Thanks.
No. Not both of them. No way!
Hopw about duck? I BET YOU LIKING DUCKS!!! (Probably duckLING!)
Quack. Quack. QUACKQUACKQUACKQUACKQUAAAAAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKK!
That was good for you, hain?
Ok, now I am lighting cigarette.
#141 Posted by audio-video-rad on January 13, 2002 8:11:53 pm
harimau #32 So, the hindutva apologist for the hindu mobs in Gujrat that bound entire families and burnt them, the man I just finished showing to be a proven liar considers me to be an anal retentive. Big deal.
#140 Posted by sadna on January 13, 2002 8:04:56 pm
RSaxena #150
Hey, are you saying things would be dull here without Indians around ? Hard to believe. Well, maybe these strange things happen its because this is a parallel mayavi universe in which the laws of karma are still a bit fluid and God is in training :).
`` there are tons more like them in real life...don`t need the Internet to meet them...``
Yes I agree, though one does get addicted to hearing the same old same old . Wait-a-minute, tons? Perhaps you ought to share your secret with us chowkwallahs, there are many needy souls here.. :)
Hey, are you saying things would be dull here without Indians around ? Hard to believe. Well, maybe these strange things happen its because this is a parallel mayavi universe in which the laws of karma are still a bit fluid and God is in training :).
`` there are tons more like them in real life...don`t need the Internet to meet them...``
Yes I agree, though one does get addicted to hearing the same old same old . Wait-a-minute, tons? Perhaps you ought to share your secret with us chowkwallahs, there are many needy souls here.. :)
#138 Posted by rsaxena on January 13, 2002 6:39:47 pm
re: sadna on Chowk Staff
{{This last nautanki reminds me(thankfully) that this is a Pakistani site and if your precious Musharraf keeps his word about jihadis I will no longer feel the need to post here.}}
...and never forget that...this is a pakistani site for pakistanis, but for the sake of keeping it interesting, indians are allowed on it...after all, how much fun could hamidm possibly have with mullahs romair and ylh patting each others back all day with nary a challenge?...
...that`s why Chowk should never be taken seriously...when you feel like some trashy fun and taunting, there will always be trash like ali1 on chowk to come play with...yes, there are a few intelligent people too, but there are tons more like them in real life...don`t need the Internet to meet them...
{{This last nautanki reminds me(thankfully) that this is a Pakistani site and if your precious Musharraf keeps his word about jihadis I will no longer feel the need to post here.}}
...and never forget that...this is a pakistani site for pakistanis, but for the sake of keeping it interesting, indians are allowed on it...after all, how much fun could hamidm possibly have with mullahs romair and ylh patting each others back all day with nary a challenge?...
...that`s why Chowk should never be taken seriously...when you feel like some trashy fun and taunting, there will always be trash like ali1 on chowk to come play with...yes, there are a few intelligent people too, but there are tons more like them in real life...don`t need the Internet to meet them...
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