America’s Responsibility

re hamzad afaqui 374

``BRITAIN SUPPORTS US TREATMENT OF PRISONERS IN CUBA. WORLD HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANISATIONS PROTEST``

Those prisoners ought to be treated in accordance with Geneva Conventions, the established canons of Western Civilization (due process and prhibition of cruelty) and the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution.

These are the very folks who had neither regard for Geneva Conventions nor concept of individual rights. They fell walls on prisoners condemned to death without trials; they shot mothers to death in stadiums as a public sport; they locked up half a country`s population within prisons no bigger than the ones they are in today at Guantanamo.

It is sublime justice that the apologists for these wretches are screaming for the same mercy they`d show nobody themselves. It is poetic justice that they appeal to the nobler instincts of the same Western Civilization that they have pledged to destroy.

I don`t know whether to feel pity or rage.

Reply Hamzad Bai

Reply Tahmed321 # 364

“…check is in the mail, but I forgot to put stamps on it. “

I take it all back.

Everybody, Tahmed is now OFFICIALLY naughty. Very very naughty.

(He is also a jewish sardarji. Harpreet told me.)

Stuka #361 So you have an MES in India too. My condolences. Bet you dont have a PWD (Plunder Without Danger, aka the Public Works Department).

Drum #347 I think the point you make about simple things adding up to greatness is a good one. I shall ignore what you say wrt moi (since we check in our personal egos at the reception desk when entering chowk), so I may focus on the substance of your point above: They say that if you take care of small things, big things take care of themselves. This is how it works, I think: if one takes care of ``small`` things, (which, to use Zafar Al Talib`s standard would be: honesty, courtesy, humility, appreciation of others, not taking ourselves too seriously) these add up to character. Next step, character, as has been said, shapes destiny.

While we are not charting our destinies on chowk, you are right are right in noting that as a South Asian chatroom the nature of the discussion does say something about us. You are right in noting how something one should take for granted - tolerance - should even come as a surprise on chowk. I may add though that the tone of interactions on chowk seems to be getting quite good in the tolerance department. I love it when some hard-core intolerant types question Prem`s nationality, for example. Also, we can take heart from the fact that internet discussions can easily become more harsh and polarized than real life discussions (a well recognized fact, and attributed to the fact that the non-verbal cues that soften up what we say are missing).

Long post, but what the heck. Back to my ``day job`` (heh! heh!) now.

THE OTHER SIDE OF MIDNIGHT.

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QUETTA (Special Report): It has been reported by a famous Taliban commander, Mulla Muhammad, that Mulla Umar and the rest of the Taliban leadership is absolutely safe, praise be to Allah. He said that Mulla Umar has stressed a great deal that Muslims should not believe any news from the CNN, BBC, and other Western Media organisations, on events in Afghanistan.

Mulla Muhammad stated, ``The aim of the Western Media is to lower the morale of the Muslim Ummah. The Western Media has given many names and claimed that these brothers have been captured, but many of these brothers ars still with us, laughing at these false rumours about them. The Muslims should have their own media, and it is obligatory upon every Muslim that he should spread each and every authentic news report which he receives about this `War Against Islam`.`` The Taliban commander concluded by saying, ``By Allah, this (media effort) is a very significant and beneficial contribution to this Jihad against the enemies of Allah and Islam.``

BRITAIN SUPPORTS US TREATMENT OF PRISONERS IN CUBA. WORLD HUMAN RIGHTS ORGANISATIONS PROTEST

KANDAHAR/ LONDON (Monitoring Desk + Islam News) : Disgraceful and inhumane behaviour has been shown by the US forces towards the 50 Taliban and Arab Mujahideen after they have been shifted to the Guantanamo US Naval Base in Cuba, from Kandahar. According to authentic sources, these Mujahideen were boarded onto the aircraft from Kandahar Airport, bound with chains all over their bodies and beards forcibly shaved. Their faces were covered with black cloth and they were given sedative injections before boarding the aircraft.

Two Mujahideen were handcuffed using a single chain due to which it was harder for the Mujahideen to take a single step. These Mujahideen got down from the aircraft whilst conscious and they were taken to specially made, small 6ft x 8ft prisons on stretchers where they were locked up like animals.

Interational human rights organisations protested this inhumane behaviour of America but British Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, supported it, saying that the prisoners deserved to be treated in this way. As well as proving the deep-rooted hatred of Britain and America against Muslims, this also proves that they are in fact the World`s biggest terrorists, who do not carry any concerns for human rights, life or dignity, and even their own laws that are supposed to preserve these.

An International Red Cross representative said that the US should allow a meeting of these prisoners with the Red Cross as soon as possible because it is stated under the Geneva Convention. She said that US should not maintain this behaviour with the Mujahideen prisoners as, according to the Geneva Convention, this is a severe violation of human rights. International analysts have said that the US shifted these Mujahideen to Cuba so that they do not undergo proper trial. According to American laws, if they are shifted to the US, then they have to be presented in courts of justice and they also have the right to lawyers and to appeal. The world human rights organisations also said that the US should accept these prisoners as Prisoners-Of-War (POW`s) according to the Geneva convention and provide them with all necessities of war prisoners. However, the Pentagon firmly refused all these demands and is not ready to accept these prisoners as Prisoners-Of-War.

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Something more to ponder upon.

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Skolnick - US Government Had Prior Knowledge Of Emergency

By Sherman H. Skolnick

skolnick@ameritech.net

http://www.skolnicksreport.com

America`s Reichstag Fire

The most massive so-called ``terrorist`` attacks on U.S. soil since the Oklahoma City bombings of 1995, were known, a week ahead of time, by the American CIA. Among the foreign intelligence agencies who penetrated the plots were the French CIA and Israel`s The Mossad, units of both often working with one another.

Foreign intelligence sources confirm the validity of this story. And they state that they informed the U.S. secret police who absolutely failed, neglected, and outright refused to take action as to known prior specifics of which the top-level of the CIA were informed in advance.

As made known to the CIA, were the following, among other details:

[1] That George Herbert Walker Bush, as President, at the close of the Persian Gulf War, 1991, arranged to bring into the U.S. some four thousand Iraqi military officers, some from intelligence units, and their families.

[2] Some 550 of these officers became residents in Lincoln, Nebraska, AND TWO THOUSAND OF THEM took up residence in Oklahoma City. In a watered down story, CBS` ``60 Minutes`` Program did a segment once on this about Lincoln, Nebraska but said NOTHING about the Iraqi military officers in Oklahoma City.

[3] The financial and other provisions for them and their families were arranged by the Elder Bush, and then quietly continued by Bill Clinton as President, and perpetuated by George W. Bush as White House ``resident`` and ``occupant``. The arrangements included financial subsidies, housing, and employment for the Iraqi officers.

[A brave Oklahoma City TV Reporter, Jayna Davis, on their local TV station, put on the air several stories about the Iraqi connection to the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building, the bombing done with the aid of domestic dissidents as surrogates. A group bought out the TV station and silenced her. Timothy McVeigh`s chief defense counsel for the murder trial, Stephen Jones, on behalf of McVeigh, filed an extra-ordinary petition in the next higher court, just prior to the murder trial. To no avail, Jones tried to force Denver U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch to compel the American CIA to disgorge records held by them showing prior U.S. knowledge of the bombing, as confirmed by other known records, some of them also in secret court records. We have a copy of the 185 page U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, petition filed by Jones and almost uniformly ignored by the American monopoly press. The petition raises the Iraqi connection.]

[4] The foreign intelligence agencies informed the American CIA that guns would be planted on-board as many as ten U.S. commercial airflights. This to be done by airplane clean-up crew members who are generally not subject to airport security provisions. These workers most likely did not know the purpose of the gun-planting.

[5] The CIA also was informed prior to the ``terrorist`` attacks scheduled for ``911`` Emergency Day [September 11], that highly skilled Iraqi pilots, among the four thousand Iraqi officers resident in the U.S., would take over the commercial flights, by retrieving the weapons concealed onboard, and then commandeering the flight deck.

[6] The Elder Bush, Clinton, and George W. Bush, all were in a position to know that the Iraqi officers that they provided for included some double-agents. The FBI Counter-Intelligence Division at no time was instructed to do anything about these double-agents in a position to commit mischief, murder, and mayhem, on U.S. soil.

[7] As I revealed a week prior to the ``terrorist`` attacks, some foreign television networks were busy preparing lengthy documentaries that would scandalize George W. Bush and other members of the Bush Family, including the Elder Bush and Jeb Bush. The subject matter included how forty million dollars in dope funds were used by the Bush Family to reportedly corrupt South Florida DEMOCRATS to abandon the recount even ahead of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling installing George W. Bush as the ``resident`` and ``occupant`` of the White House. The dope funds came reportedly from Bush Family business partner, Carlos Lehder, co-founder of the U.S./Colombia medellin dope cartel. [Visit our website story, ``Chandra Levy Affair, Part Two``.] I discussed this on radio talk shows.

[8] As part of the targetting of the World Trade Center buildings, a group of surrogates for the Iraqi military officers, reportedly spent considerable time within one of the buildings, with building security officers somehow oblivious of their presence.

[9] As the CIA top officials were informed and had prior knowledge, the purpose of the ``terrorist`` attacks was to effectively paralyze the financial infrastructure of the U.S. Some of the most important stock and bond houses in the world, with their key people having loads of inside knowledge and hard to replace trading tricks and expertise, were located in the known-to-be-targetted twin towers of the World Trade Center, New York City. It was like blowing up the main ``financial factory`` and destroying their inventory. The so-called ``back-up`` records kept parked across the river in New Jersey, are not only inadequate but cannot help reconstruct various accounts and transactions in the works.

Financial experts tell us the ``back up`` records parked in New Jersey, may NOT be sufficient to re-start the American financial apparatus. Some of the experts are loudly grumbling that they should have early on seen Federal Reserve Czar Alan Greenspan on the television explaining about the financial ramifications. Of course, some suppose that Americans would panic and run out of control. So we are dealt with like little children.

[10] It is a serious mistake, according to savvy American and foreign intelligence sources, to blame the Emergency all on Osama bin Laden. As readers of our website are aware, we have long pointed out that bin Laden is reportedly in the Mid-East Construction business. His reputed partners? The family of Sharon PERCY Rockefeller. She is the wife of John D. Rockefeller 4th (D., W.Va.), great grandson of the founder of the infamous Standard Oil Trust that used to bomb their own obsolete buildings to falsely blame onto their competitors. Bin Laden`s so-called ``secret`` accounts, which the White House has said they would like to freeze, are or have been actually reportedly in the Harris Bank, Chicago, joint accounts with the family of Sharon PERCY Rockefeller.

[11] The Saudi Royal Family actually consists of some five thousand members, some of whom actually are for the U.S. and some anti-U.S. Some of them have bankrolled Iraq`s war against Iran, 1980 to 1988, to destroy some oil facilities and keep the price of oil HIGH. The foreign intelligence agencies, that penetrated the plots to be carried out on U.S. soil, are aware that some of the Saudi royals are actually sympathetic to the Iraqis destroying the World Trade Center Buildings and in part, wrecking the Pentagon. [As if the American CIA did not ALREADY have their own knowledge of this.]

Whenever there is a political assassination or some other unusual violent event, what is the key question the oil-soaked, spy-riddled monopoly press ALWAYS fails to ask? WHO BENEFITS. With a scandal about to break against George W. Bush, he and his circle had an interest NOT to stop these things from happening. And to divert attention. The White House has a strong motive to silence critics and urge people TO RALLY AROUND THE PRESIDENT. Simple-minded folks, of course, often poorly informed,do not understand how the ruling classes would shed the blood of thousands if not millions of innocent people, in some instigated war, to avoid dealing with the apparent on-coming economic disasters.

In the midst of this prior-knowledge emergency, who dares now to point to the Bush Family as reputed business partners of the major kingpin, Carlos Lehder, of the U.S./Colombia medellin dope cartel? Or how huge dope money bought the Electoral College trick in Florida and corrupted the U.S. Supreme Court`s ``gang of five``.

This is America`s REICHSTAG fire. Adolph Hitler burned down the German parliament and falsely blamed his enemies and had them rounded up and put in the concentration camps. Has the U.S. Constitution now been revoked? More coming.

Stay tuned.

ali,

btw, what`s the translation of ``kukkar`` , ``cheekan`` and ``ainveen``? I assume its Punjabi, not my language...

semiprecious, rsax

I just read #319-324....nearly fell off me perch...

Excuse me guys and gals, but we have important breaking news here.

Only in Lucknow...

`Dead` man rises before cremation in Lucknow



New Delhi, Jan 15

A ``dead`` man shocked relatives and doctors in Lucknow when he suddenly came alive just minutes before he was to be taken for cremation, reports said Tuesday.

Sukhlal Gautam, 55, was admitted to a government hospital suffering from tuberculosis on December 29 last year but declared dead and shifted to a mortuary 14 days later, a report said.

``We soon started making arrangements for the funeral,`` said Gautam`s son, Guddu. ``(But) when we brought the body out from the mortuary and started to load it onto the vehicle, my father gasped for breath.``

According to the report, he spent eight hours lying in the mortuary as a ``dead`` man before his revival.

The doctor-on-duty was called immediately and Sukhlal was re-admitted to the hospital. Hospital staff also took back the death certifcate issued to the relatives.

The report said the incident has been taken very seriously by the hospital and chief medical officer H.P. Kumar will begin a thorough inquiry.

``The carelessness cannot be ignored and the guilty will be punished,`` Kumar said.

According to latest reports, Sukhlal is back on the same hospital bed and, although in a serious condition, is alive.



Now, I am rethinking my entire plan of settling back in Lucknow in my old age...

CIA: Bin Laden Escaped Afghanistan



Analysis Suggests He Has Fled the Region

By Brian Ross

Jan. 15 — An intelligence analysis sent to the CIA director last week concluded Osama bin Laden has escaped American efforts to find him in Afghanistan and that he most likely has fled the entire region by sea, ABCNEWS has learned.



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In a major setback to the war on terrorism, CIA analysts have concluded bin Laden escaped from the Tora Bora cave complex in eastern Afghanistan and into Pakistan around the first week of December, intelligence officials said.

The officials also told ABCNEWS that one captured al Qaeda fighter claims to have witnessed, in one of the Tora Bora hiding places, bin Laden turning over operational control to one of his deputies.

``I think that most intelligence analysts are absolutely convinced at this point that bin Laden has slipped the noose and has left Afghanistan and Pakistan,`` said Vince Cannistraro, an ABCNEWS analyst and former CIA counterterrorism chief.

To fool U.S. forces in the area, the CIA believes, bin Laden left behind a tape-recorded message that was transmitted only after he was long gone.

Search Has Spread Beyond Afghanistan

On Monday, the Pentagon acknowledged the search for bin Laden and top al Qaeda leaders has spread well beyond Afghanistan.

``It would not be unfair to say that every one of us has this as a mission and that all the forces that are currently in Afghanistan or in any other country where we are pursuing the war on terrorism are focused on doing just that,`` said Adm. John Stufflebeem, deputy director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Asked about bin Laden`s whereabouts, Secretary of State Colin Powell told ABCNEWS he did not know where bin Laden was but said U.S. forces were in ``hot pursuit`` of him. ``I can`t say he is out of that immediate region. I have seen nothing that suggests we know where he is, whether it`s in Afghanistan, Pakistan or somewhere else,`` Powell said Monday.

U.S., German, British and French forces have been searching dozens of ships in the Arabian Sea for the last two months and last week`s CIA report concludes bin Laden most likely fled by sea from Pakistan.

``That is not good news for the U.S.,`` Cannistraro said. ``Bin Laden and his top assistant [Ayman] Al-Zawahiri can reconstitute now in places where they have known bases, Southeast Asia or the east coast of Africa.``

American intelligence authorities say that while al Qaeda has been disrupted, and a few leaders have been captured and killed, bin Laden himself remains one step ahead of the United States, with the central nervous system of his terror network still intact.

Ali---363

You made your point well too.;)

Lets complete it,for fairness sake.

Desi kukkarr

Hejaazi baangaan

Doojay kukkarr kaafir

The whole Indo-Pak saga can be summed up in the saga of the dog,the rooster & the monkey OR the pig,the cow,& the camel.

Iqbal wrote the dialogue between the Cow & the Camel:

``Mein to badnaam huee toar key russee upnee.

suntee hoon toar dee hai aap ney bhee upnee muhaar``

and:

``Eik muddat sey hai iss bunn mein basairaa upnaa.

Paas kuchh naqd naheen,chaaraa bhee khaatain hain udhhar``

(may not be in exact order)

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Did you read The Untamed?

author is also---ME!

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Zafar #352 The standard by which you judged my posts - honesty, humility, friendship, appreciation of other cultures and nationalities, humor - speak volumes about your own values. You passed me on these points, sirji, and so check is in the mail, but I forgot to put stamps on it.

Reply # 361 hamzad afaqui

Sirji, your Haiku was outstanding. Thoroughly enjoyed it.... desi kutti, valaytee cheekaN (desi kukkar, Arbi BaaNgaaN??).

Lajwaab!!

To the esteemed Afaqui Sahib and his sidekick M.J.

To Death

You will come in any case-so why not now?

How long I wait and wait. The bad times fall.

I have put out the light and opened the door

for you, because you are simple and magical.

Assume, then, any form that suits your wish,

take aim, and blast at me with poisoned shot,

or strangle me like an efficient mugger,

or else infect me-typhus be my lot-

or spring out of the fairytale you wrote,

the one we`re sick of hearing, day and night,

where the blue hatband marches up the stairs,

led by the janitor, pale with fright.

It`s all the same to me. The Yensei swirls,

the North Star shines, as it will shine forever;

and the blue luster of my loved one`s eyes

is clouded over by the final horror.

Anna Akhmatova

call it a day, boys.

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DRUMZ----Is this relevant?__________________________________________________

The UNTAMED

Mustangs

Leathery,sinewy,pectoral

rebellious,refusing to be lassoed,

hating to be harnessed,

Dancing,prancing in half-moon light

steaming nostrils,burning brawns

perspiring,sweating,smoking

drawing,calling females in heat

from near & far,

Somewhere in the Sierras,The MISFITS.

Where have the mustangs gone?

Like unicorn,have they become legends?

in their own lifetimes?

kid me not--O kid

You see them everyday

civilised,tamed

nine to fivers,five to niners

week-enders,weakened by illwill

wilted by whips

stopping at red,moving on green

they now know the system

abide by it

to get their oats on time

(and save some for rainy days)

and some more,IN CASE--You know;)

Scared of Death & disease

they spend half of their healthy life

worrying about them,IN CASE--you know;)

And the other half tending to them

as if

all their life

they were embalming their bodies

mummyifying it

to attain immortality

And maybe take it all with them.

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The Misfits---is a great movie.