Aamir Ansari January 8, 2002
#76 Posted by Ansari on January 20, 2002 6:05:21 pm
Samina Shah,
I see what you`re saying; guess I must have misunderstood the first time. Yes, writing can be risk business though I think your own conviction of what you have to say helps to alleviate the anxiety. But yes, it is a gamble, for in the end we are only working with, and on, human beings and we know from experience, recent and remote, how fickle they can be.
Regards,
Aamir
I see what you`re saying; guess I must have misunderstood the first time. Yes, writing can be risk business though I think your own conviction of what you have to say helps to alleviate the anxiety. But yes, it is a gamble, for in the end we are only working with, and on, human beings and we know from experience, recent and remote, how fickle they can be.
Regards,
Aamir
#75 Posted by saminashah on January 19, 2002 6:08:27 pm
Aamir Ansari,
Perhaps my phrase did not communicate what I meant to say; fragility, care and the act of writing meant that writing, really good writing, is an act of risk and daring for many people. The act of writing is reach for the ``blue``, the shadow life outside of what we control or understand...kind of reminds me of Stanley Kunitz`s rule: A poem without secrets is dead on the page, and another one (Frost or Williams) : no surprise for the writer, no surprise for the reader...thus leaping for the unknown part of our words and psyches...thanks for the Gwendolyn Brooks poem.
soysauce
sounds interesting...
Perhaps my phrase did not communicate what I meant to say; fragility, care and the act of writing meant that writing, really good writing, is an act of risk and daring for many people. The act of writing is reach for the ``blue``, the shadow life outside of what we control or understand...kind of reminds me of Stanley Kunitz`s rule: A poem without secrets is dead on the page, and another one (Frost or Williams) : no surprise for the writer, no surprise for the reader...thus leaping for the unknown part of our words and psyches...thanks for the Gwendolyn Brooks poem.
soysauce
sounds interesting...
#73 Posted by BabyPea on January 18, 2002 11:43:16 am
ref #62:
``who wrote it?``
Santa Claus. Why as it freaky?
``who wrote it?``
Santa Claus. Why as it freaky?
#72 Posted by soysauce on January 18, 2002 11:43:16 am
If i may be a bit self indulgent...
I have been thinking about this epic poem that is yet to be written. Circa Y2K, a lot of friends and relatives left secure jobs to join the gold rush. I too had a whimsical idea for a ``product`` i`d make. The important part was that i`d become filthy rich just by announcing that i was starting a company. Anyway, got stuck after the first 2 stanzas. If anyone wishes to take it further feel free. Here goes:
A lowly academic
at parties i meet
women who seek
men with bigger feet
A fast convertible
an apartment in frisco
with a view indescribable,
men who own the next cisco.....
I have been thinking about this epic poem that is yet to be written. Circa Y2K, a lot of friends and relatives left secure jobs to join the gold rush. I too had a whimsical idea for a ``product`` i`d make. The important part was that i`d become filthy rich just by announcing that i was starting a company. Anyway, got stuck after the first 2 stanzas. If anyone wishes to take it further feel free. Here goes:
A lowly academic
at parties i meet
women who seek
men with bigger feet
A fast convertible
an apartment in frisco
with a view indescribable,
men who own the next cisco.....
#71 Posted by Ansari on January 18, 2002 11:43:16 am
Samina Shah,
Do we really write, craft and balance words, because we`re lonely, blue and vulnerable as brittle china? I don`t think so; not all of us. Thank you for the poem. It was well-written.
I don`t know if you`ve read Gwendolyn Brooks (I`ve just discovered her recently). Here`s one of hers. I hope you, and all the other Chowkwallahs reading this, enjoy it.
Corners on the Curving Sky
Our earth is round, and, among other things
That means that you and I can hold
completely different
Points of view and both be right.
The difference of our positions will show
Stars in your window I cannot even imagine.
Your sky may burn with light,
While mine, at the same moment,
Spreads beautiful to darkness.
Still, we must choose how we separately corner
The circling universe of our experience.
Once chosen, our cornering will determine
The message of any star and darkness we
encounter.
- Gwendolyn Brooks
Do we really write, craft and balance words, because we`re lonely, blue and vulnerable as brittle china? I don`t think so; not all of us. Thank you for the poem. It was well-written.
I don`t know if you`ve read Gwendolyn Brooks (I`ve just discovered her recently). Here`s one of hers. I hope you, and all the other Chowkwallahs reading this, enjoy it.
Corners on the Curving Sky
Our earth is round, and, among other things
That means that you and I can hold
completely different
Points of view and both be right.
The difference of our positions will show
Stars in your window I cannot even imagine.
Your sky may burn with light,
While mine, at the same moment,
Spreads beautiful to darkness.
Still, we must choose how we separately corner
The circling universe of our experience.
Once chosen, our cornering will determine
The message of any star and darkness we
encounter.
- Gwendolyn Brooks
#70 Posted by saminashah on January 17, 2002 2:47:36 pm
Aamir Ansari,
Fragility and care and perhaps the act of writing;
The Man Who Never Loses His Balance
He walks the high wire in his sleep.
The tent is blue, it is perpetual
afternoon. He is walking between
the open legs of his mother
and the grave. Always. The audience
is fathers whose kites are lost, children
who want to be terrified into joy.
He is so high above them, so capable
(with a single, calculated move)
of making them care for him
that he`s sick of the risks
he never really takes.
Every performance, deep down,
he tries one real plunge
off to the side, where the net ends.
The tent is blue. Outside is a world
that is blue. Inside him
a blueness that could crack
like china if he ever hit bottom.
-Stephen Dunn
Fragility and care and perhaps the act of writing;
The Man Who Never Loses His Balance
He walks the high wire in his sleep.
The tent is blue, it is perpetual
afternoon. He is walking between
the open legs of his mother
and the grave. Always. The audience
is fathers whose kites are lost, children
who want to be terrified into joy.
He is so high above them, so capable
(with a single, calculated move)
of making them care for him
that he`s sick of the risks
he never really takes.
Every performance, deep down,
he tries one real plunge
off to the side, where the net ends.
The tent is blue. Outside is a world
that is blue. Inside him
a blueness that could crack
like china if he ever hit bottom.
-Stephen Dunn
#69 Posted by Ansari on January 17, 2002 10:18:29 am
Samina Shah,
A ghazal in English? That was a first and charming. Here`s the flip side of poetry in India. . .
Poetry in India
I`m in India
feeling more secure
and less likely to get chinned `ere
I made friends with a steam-train firemen
who asked how long I would stay in his country
`Two weeks,` I replied
`Very short?` he probed
`I`m a very busy man.` I joked.
`What is it, the you do?` he probed further.
`Poetry!` I announced.
`Aha!` he pounced,
`Now I understand you,
my brother does the same.
Yes, very hard work:
the feeding, the cleaning, loading all the eggs on to
the lorry.`
- John Hegley
A ghazal in English? That was a first and charming. Here`s the flip side of poetry in India. . .
Poetry in India
I`m in India
feeling more secure
and less likely to get chinned `ere
I made friends with a steam-train firemen
who asked how long I would stay in his country
`Two weeks,` I replied
`Very short?` he probed
`I`m a very busy man.` I joked.
`What is it, the you do?` he probed further.
`Poetry!` I announced.
`Aha!` he pounced,
`Now I understand you,
my brother does the same.
Yes, very hard work:
the feeding, the cleaning, loading all the eggs on to
the lorry.`
- John Hegley
#68 Posted by saminashah on January 16, 2002 12:21:36 pm
Aamir Ansari,
Another great one! Here`s a ghazal by Rafiq Kathwari that might fall into a similar theme:
In Another Country
In Kashmir, half asleep, Mother listens to the rain.
In Manhattan, I feel her presence in the rain.
A rooster precedes the Call to Prayer at Dawn:
God is a name dropper: all names at once in the rain.
Forsythia shrivel in a glass vase on her nightstand
On my windowsills, wilted petals, petulance in the rain.
She must wonder when he will put on the kettle
butter the crumpets, offer compliments to the rain.
She yawns, performs ablutions, across the oceans
water in my hands becomes a reverence in the rain.
At Jewel House in Srinagar, Mother reshapes my ghazal,
``No enjambments!`` she says. ``Wah, wah,`` I chant in the rain.
``Rafiq``, I hear her call over the city din
The kettle whistles; my mother`s scent in the rain.
Another great one! Here`s a ghazal by Rafiq Kathwari that might fall into a similar theme:
In Another Country
In Kashmir, half asleep, Mother listens to the rain.
In Manhattan, I feel her presence in the rain.
A rooster precedes the Call to Prayer at Dawn:
God is a name dropper: all names at once in the rain.
Forsythia shrivel in a glass vase on her nightstand
On my windowsills, wilted petals, petulance in the rain.
She must wonder when he will put on the kettle
butter the crumpets, offer compliments to the rain.
She yawns, performs ablutions, across the oceans
water in my hands becomes a reverence in the rain.
At Jewel House in Srinagar, Mother reshapes my ghazal,
``No enjambments!`` she says. ``Wah, wah,`` I chant in the rain.
``Rafiq``, I hear her call over the city din
The kettle whistles; my mother`s scent in the rain.
#66 Posted by Prem on January 15, 2002 12:46:39 pm
Some of the lines posted here almost brought me to an orgasm...
#65 Posted by Ansari on January 15, 2002 11:34:32 am
Samina Shah;
Thank you for that. Very evocative; I liked the use of the colors. I`m afraid I haven`t read any of the writers you wrote about. Have you read Patrick Kavanagh?
Innocence
They laughed at one I loved-
The triangular hill that hung
Under the Big Forth. They said
That I was bounded by the whitethorn hedges
Of the little farm and did not know the world.
But I knew that love`s doorway to life
Is the same doorway everywhere.
Ashamed of what I loved
I flung her from me and called her a ditch
Although she was smiling at me with violets.
But now I am back in her briary arms
The dew of an Indian Summer lies
On bleached potato-stalks
What age am I?
I do not know what age I am,
I am no mortal age;
I know nothing of women,
Nothing of cities,
I cannot die
Unless I walk outside these whitethorn hedges.
- Patrick Kavanagh
Thank you for that. Very evocative; I liked the use of the colors. I`m afraid I haven`t read any of the writers you wrote about. Have you read Patrick Kavanagh?
Innocence
They laughed at one I loved-
The triangular hill that hung
Under the Big Forth. They said
That I was bounded by the whitethorn hedges
Of the little farm and did not know the world.
But I knew that love`s doorway to life
Is the same doorway everywhere.
Ashamed of what I loved
I flung her from me and called her a ditch
Although she was smiling at me with violets.
But now I am back in her briary arms
The dew of an Indian Summer lies
On bleached potato-stalks
What age am I?
I do not know what age I am,
I am no mortal age;
I know nothing of women,
Nothing of cities,
I cannot die
Unless I walk outside these whitethorn hedges.
- Patrick Kavanagh
#64 Posted by saminashah on January 15, 2002 10:21:36 am
Aamir Ansari,
Thanks for the excellent poem! I`ll have to look the poet up...Have you read Marilyn Chin, David Mura or Li Young Lee?
Yuba City School
From the trunk I shake out
my one American skirt, blue serge
that smells of mothballs. Again today
Neeraj came home crying from school. All week
the teacher has made him sit
in the last row, next to the fat boy
who drools and mumbles,
picks at the spotted milk-blue
skin of his face, but knows
to pinch, sudden-sharp,
when she is not looking.
The books are full of black curves,
dots like the eggs the boll-weevil lays
each monsoon in furniture-cracks
in Ludhiana. Far up in front
the teacher makes word-sounds
Neeraj does not know. They float
from her mouth-cave, he says,
in discs, each a different color.
Candy-pink for the girls
in their lace dresses, marching shiny shoes. Silk yellow for the boys besides them,
crisp blond hair, hands raised
in all the right answers. Behind them
the Mexicans, whose older brothers,
he tells me, carry knives,
whose catcalls and whizzing rubber bands
clash, mid-air, with the teacher`s
voice, its sharp purple edge.
For him, the words are
a muddy red, flying low and heavy,
and always the one he has learned to understand:
idiot, idiot, idiot.
I heat the iron over the stove. Outside
evening blurs the shivering
in the eucalyptus. Neeraj`s shadow
dissapers into the hole
he is hollowing all afternoon.
The earth, he know, is round, and if
one can tunnel all the way through,
he will end up in Punjab,
in his grandfather`s mango orchard,
his grandmother`s songs lighting
on his head, the old words
glowing like summer fireflies.
In the playground, Neeraj says,
invisible hands snatch at his uncut hair,
unseen feet trip him from behind,
and when he turns, ghost laughter
all around his bleeding knees.
He bites down on his lip
to keep in the crying. They are
waiting for him to open his mouth,
so they can steal his voice.
I test the iron with little drops of water
that sizzle and die. Press down
on the wrinlkled cloth. The room fills with a smell like singed flesh.
Tomorrow in my blue skirt I will go
to see the teacher, my tongue
stiff and swollen
in my unwilling mouth, my few
English phrases. She will pluck them
from me, nail shut my lips. My son
will keep sitting in the last row
among the red words that drink his voice.
-Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni
Thanks for the excellent poem! I`ll have to look the poet up...Have you read Marilyn Chin, David Mura or Li Young Lee?
Yuba City School
From the trunk I shake out
my one American skirt, blue serge
that smells of mothballs. Again today
Neeraj came home crying from school. All week
the teacher has made him sit
in the last row, next to the fat boy
who drools and mumbles,
picks at the spotted milk-blue
skin of his face, but knows
to pinch, sudden-sharp,
when she is not looking.
The books are full of black curves,
dots like the eggs the boll-weevil lays
each monsoon in furniture-cracks
in Ludhiana. Far up in front
the teacher makes word-sounds
Neeraj does not know. They float
from her mouth-cave, he says,
in discs, each a different color.
Candy-pink for the girls
in their lace dresses, marching shiny shoes. Silk yellow for the boys besides them,
crisp blond hair, hands raised
in all the right answers. Behind them
the Mexicans, whose older brothers,
he tells me, carry knives,
whose catcalls and whizzing rubber bands
clash, mid-air, with the teacher`s
voice, its sharp purple edge.
For him, the words are
a muddy red, flying low and heavy,
and always the one he has learned to understand:
idiot, idiot, idiot.
I heat the iron over the stove. Outside
evening blurs the shivering
in the eucalyptus. Neeraj`s shadow
dissapers into the hole
he is hollowing all afternoon.
The earth, he know, is round, and if
one can tunnel all the way through,
he will end up in Punjab,
in his grandfather`s mango orchard,
his grandmother`s songs lighting
on his head, the old words
glowing like summer fireflies.
In the playground, Neeraj says,
invisible hands snatch at his uncut hair,
unseen feet trip him from behind,
and when he turns, ghost laughter
all around his bleeding knees.
He bites down on his lip
to keep in the crying. They are
waiting for him to open his mouth,
so they can steal his voice.
I test the iron with little drops of water
that sizzle and die. Press down
on the wrinlkled cloth. The room fills with a smell like singed flesh.
Tomorrow in my blue skirt I will go
to see the teacher, my tongue
stiff and swollen
in my unwilling mouth, my few
English phrases. She will pluck them
from me, nail shut my lips. My son
will keep sitting in the last row
among the red words that drink his voice.
-Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni
#63 Posted by anNy on January 15, 2002 10:21:36 am
babypea:
that was for some reason freaky
who wrote it?
that was for some reason freaky
who wrote it?
#62 Posted by anNy on January 15, 2002 10:21:36 am
babypea:
that was for some reason freaky
who wrote that?
that was for some reason freaky
who wrote that?
#61 Posted by Ansari on January 15, 2002 10:21:36 am
Scout;
Hmm. . .where are we going with this one, I wonder? Please clarify.
Regards,
Aamir
Hmm. . .where are we going with this one, I wonder? Please clarify.
Regards,
Aamir
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