For Most People
Aamir Ansari January 8, 2002
#60 Posted by scout on January 15, 2002 2:16:30 am
Ansari #58,
do you talk very slowly, pause between a few words, and rhyme every now and then.. during your day to day discourse?
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#59 Posted by Ansari on January 14, 2002 4:56:43 pm
What the Japanese Perhaps Heard
Perhaps they heard we don`t understand them
very well. Perhaps this made them
Pleased. Perhaps they heard we shoot
Japanese students who ring the wrong
Bell at Hallowe`en. That we shoot
at the slightest provocation: a low mark
On an exam, a lovers` spat, an excess
of guilt. Perhaps they wondered
If it was guilt we felt at the sight of that student
bleeding out among our lawn flamingos,
Or something recognizable to them,
something like grief. Perhaps
They heard that our culture
has its roots in desperate immigration
And lone men. Perhaps they observed
our skill at raising serial killers,
That we value good teeth above
good minds and have no festivals
To remember the dead. Perhaps they heard
that our grey lakes are deep enough to swallow cities,
That our landscape is vast wheat and loneliness.
Perhaps they ask themselves if, when grief
Wraps its wet arms around Montana, we would not prefer
the community of archipelagos
Upon which persimmons are harvested
and black fingers of rock uncurl their digits
In the mist. Perhaps their abacus echoes
the shape that grief takes,
One island
bleeding into the next,
And for us grief is an endless cornfield,
silken and ripe with poison.
-- Rachel Rose
#58 Posted by Ansari on January 14, 2002 4:56:43 pm
What We Heard About the Japanese
We heard they would jump from buildings
at the slightest provocation: low marks
On an exam, a lovers` spat
or an excess of shame.
We heard they were incited by shame,
not guilt. That they
Loved all things American.
Mistrusted anything foreign.
We heard their men liked to buy
schoolgirls` underwear
And their women
did not experience menopause or other
Western hysterias. We heard
they still preferred to breastfeed,
Carry handkerchiefs, ride bicycles
and dress their young like Victorian
Pupils. We heard that theirs
was a feminine culture. We heard
That theirs was an example of extreme
patriarchy. That rape
Didn`t exist on these islands. We heard
their marriages were arranged, that
They didn`t believe in love. We heard
they were experts in this art above all others.
That frequent earthquakes inspired insecurity
and lack of faith. That they had no sense of irony.
We heard even faith was an American invention.
We heard they were just like us under the skin.
-- Rachel Rose
This poem was posted on a poetry website called The Wondering Minstrels. Included here are the sender`s comments:
``When I first read these poems, they resonated strongly with me on several levels. Being half Japanese, I have heard it all: both extreme negative stereotypes and the almost unbelievable idealizing of Japanese culture that some Westerners indulge in. Either approach reduces the Japanese to something not quite like us, whether it`s less-than-human or super-human.
Rachel Rose captures these absurdity of these contradictions economically and strikingly in just a few lines.
Secondly, as an American with many friends from Japan, I`m often in the position of trying to explain things about US culture that I can barely
grasp myself. Things like guns and individualism and attitudes towards the elderly. Rose`s second poem crystallizes all of this into a few vivid and
colorful images, showing us how strange and inscrutable we can appear when viewed from the outside.
And finally, the timing of when I read poems felt significant. Much of what I`ve been hearing lately about Muslims reminds me painfully of what was said about the Japanese and Japanese Americans during World War II. They were seen as people with no respect for life or regard for self-preservation, no sense of morality that we could understand, showing fanatical loyalty to an
evil empire, and threatening our culture with their alien customs. I.e. not ``good Christians.`` Sound familiar? Life for Muslims in America today must be much like it was for Japanese during World War II. It makes me ache, but I do have hope that we can learn from past mistakes.``
We heard they would jump from buildings
at the slightest provocation: low marks
On an exam, a lovers` spat
or an excess of shame.
We heard they were incited by shame,
not guilt. That they
Loved all things American.
Mistrusted anything foreign.
We heard their men liked to buy
schoolgirls` underwear
And their women
did not experience menopause or other
Western hysterias. We heard
they still preferred to breastfeed,
Carry handkerchiefs, ride bicycles
and dress their young like Victorian
Pupils. We heard that theirs
was a feminine culture. We heard
That theirs was an example of extreme
patriarchy. That rape
Didn`t exist on these islands. We heard
their marriages were arranged, that
They didn`t believe in love. We heard
they were experts in this art above all others.
That frequent earthquakes inspired insecurity
and lack of faith. That they had no sense of irony.
We heard even faith was an American invention.
We heard they were just like us under the skin.
-- Rachel Rose
This poem was posted on a poetry website called The Wondering Minstrels. Included here are the sender`s comments:
``When I first read these poems, they resonated strongly with me on several levels. Being half Japanese, I have heard it all: both extreme negative stereotypes and the almost unbelievable idealizing of Japanese culture that some Westerners indulge in. Either approach reduces the Japanese to something not quite like us, whether it`s less-than-human or super-human.
Rachel Rose captures these absurdity of these contradictions economically and strikingly in just a few lines.
Secondly, as an American with many friends from Japan, I`m often in the position of trying to explain things about US culture that I can barely
grasp myself. Things like guns and individualism and attitudes towards the elderly. Rose`s second poem crystallizes all of this into a few vivid and
colorful images, showing us how strange and inscrutable we can appear when viewed from the outside.
And finally, the timing of when I read poems felt significant. Much of what I`ve been hearing lately about Muslims reminds me painfully of what was said about the Japanese and Japanese Americans during World War II. They were seen as people with no respect for life or regard for self-preservation, no sense of morality that we could understand, showing fanatical loyalty to an
evil empire, and threatening our culture with their alien customs. I.e. not ``good Christians.`` Sound familiar? Life for Muslims in America today must be much like it was for Japanese during World War II. It makes me ache, but I do have hope that we can learn from past mistakes.``
#57 Posted by BabyPea on January 14, 2002 10:48:19 am
through lips of cake does loving flow
the eyes belie an eerie glow
a madness, quelled in soft repose
a draught of spring his karma knows
for hell and love, i ken them both
they shear my nervous fibre growth
and though dead and buried is my soul
will a dream of me to you be loathe?
so tell me
does the rain still make you cry?
does the sand still love your skin?
and when hate consumes you,
do i feel like daddy`s kiss within?
does my summer still caress your hands?
and my breezes salinize your ears?
when spirits breathe your scent and fly
do your pupils melt away as tears?
and tell me
when hot milk, books and crickets fail
does my dusk cradle your head till dawn?
do my stars still smile at memories
of a happy, satiated yawn?
and when your face will rest upon his bed
and his breath invade your virgin soul
will those eyes reflect the words you said
as a strangers touch defined your whole?
the eyes belie an eerie glow
a madness, quelled in soft repose
a draught of spring his karma knows
for hell and love, i ken them both
they shear my nervous fibre growth
and though dead and buried is my soul
will a dream of me to you be loathe?
so tell me
does the rain still make you cry?
does the sand still love your skin?
and when hate consumes you,
do i feel like daddy`s kiss within?
does my summer still caress your hands?
and my breezes salinize your ears?
when spirits breathe your scent and fly
do your pupils melt away as tears?
and tell me
when hot milk, books and crickets fail
does my dusk cradle your head till dawn?
do my stars still smile at memories
of a happy, satiated yawn?
and when your face will rest upon his bed
and his breath invade your virgin soul
will those eyes reflect the words you said
as a strangers touch defined your whole?
#56 Posted by subroto on January 14, 2002 2:30:17 am
Nice to read something different Aamir - but those peole rushing for haircuts have a puropse in life too ;-)
A few strands of wispy hair still left,
Making their last stand on the bald pate,
Billowing in the hot summer wind,
Awaiting the scissors at the barber`s shop
Deadlines can wait for now.
Fingers greedily grasping girlie mags,
Draped o` so casually in the waiting room,
Seeking out the centre page,
Which needs to be unfolded on the lap
Ah the simple pleasure of a perve
And then rising upwards,
A primeval sound,
An eruption from the belly
A contentment felt
The joy of an after dinner belch
P.S There is no case of life imitating art here...
A few strands of wispy hair still left,
Making their last stand on the bald pate,
Billowing in the hot summer wind,
Awaiting the scissors at the barber`s shop
Deadlines can wait for now.
Fingers greedily grasping girlie mags,
Draped o` so casually in the waiting room,
Seeking out the centre page,
Which needs to be unfolded on the lap
Ah the simple pleasure of a perve
And then rising upwards,
A primeval sound,
An eruption from the belly
A contentment felt
The joy of an after dinner belch
P.S There is no case of life imitating art here...
#55 Posted by Snoopy on January 14, 2002 12:30:17 am
for Ansari , & other poetry writers who are infatuated by the enchanting ring of rhthym of Japnese just like those by Shunghfu or Bonsai ,Kimono ,Sayonara,Geisha,pokemon,dragon movies,hara kari,...
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#54 Posted by semipreciousme on January 13, 2002 2:09:35 am
aamir ansari
re: Margaret Walker poem
…wow…now that’s what i call poetry….simple yet stirring…
re: Margaret Walker poem
…wow…now that’s what i call poetry….simple yet stirring…
#53 Posted by Deodrant on January 13, 2002 2:09:35 am
How can MUsharaff just give away support for Kashmir .DO YOU THINK THIS IS BOOLYWOOD LAAGAAN MOVIE ,THAT AAMIR KHAN WILL PLAN A UPSET WIN OF INDIA BY WRITING THE SCRIPT .INDIANS HAVE BEEN WATCHING BOLLYWOOD MAKE BELIEVE ,FEEL GOOD,WISHFULL THING, MOVIES FOR FAR TOO LONG
#51 Posted by saminashah on January 12, 2002 1:57:50 pm
soysauce
ouch?
Prem
So then he was, like,
really!
And I was like, yeah.
It`s like,
you know? You
know what I mean?
ouch?
Prem
So then he was, like,
really!
And I was like, yeah.
It`s like,
you know? You
know what I mean?
#50 Posted by aicha on January 12, 2002 1:57:50 pm
``I too thought/think they were about sex. ``
: ) somehow i thought as much
``... i`m just an ordinary joe with a dirty mind.``
taht we all are !! taht we all are !!
aicha
: ) somehow i thought as much
``... i`m just an ordinary joe with a dirty mind.``
taht we all are !! taht we all are !!
aicha
#49 Posted by semipreciousme on January 12, 2002 1:57:50 pm
Ansari:
...np:)...am doing good...
anNy:
….now we’re talking….i won’t even try since i write poetry about as well as i speak swahili….btw….dud?…c’mon anNy….such modesty…
#48 Posted by Brad Cruise on January 12, 2002 2:27:18 am
See the full story and a photo of the family at=20
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/detainee020111.html
ABCNews.com
Jan. 11, 2002
What`s Going On?
Wife of Detainee in Sept. 11 Probes Mourns Lack of Information
By Leela Jacinto
leela.jacinto@abc.com
PHOTO: Uzma Naheed, second left, with her sons Harris Anser, 11, far left,
Hassan Anser, 15 months, center, Umair Anser, 14, second right, and Uzair
Anser, 13, at their home in Bayonne, N.J. (Bebeto Matthews/AP Photo)
Jan. 11 -- More than three months after her husband was taken into custody
in the government`s investigations of the Sept. 11 attacks, Uzma Naheed
finally got the chance to see him in jail this week.
Her husband, Anser Mehmood -- the sole breadwinner in the household =97 has
been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in the New York City
borough of Brooklyn since Oct. 3.
In a saga of loss, bureaucratic nightmare and desperate attempts to
understand an unfamiliar system with the odds seemingly stacked against
her, Naheed was not allowed to see Mehmood for more than nine weeks after
he was detained.=20
It was not until various community and immigration rights groups took up
her case that the 39-year-old immigrant from Pakistan was allowed to see
her husband through metal bars in a bleak high-security visiting room.
MORE MORE MORE
See the full story and photo at=20
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/detainee020111.html
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/detainee020111.html
ABCNews.com
Jan. 11, 2002
What`s Going On?
Wife of Detainee in Sept. 11 Probes Mourns Lack of Information
By Leela Jacinto
leela.jacinto@abc.com
PHOTO: Uzma Naheed, second left, with her sons Harris Anser, 11, far left,
Hassan Anser, 15 months, center, Umair Anser, 14, second right, and Uzair
Anser, 13, at their home in Bayonne, N.J. (Bebeto Matthews/AP Photo)
Jan. 11 -- More than three months after her husband was taken into custody
in the government`s investigations of the Sept. 11 attacks, Uzma Naheed
finally got the chance to see him in jail this week.
Her husband, Anser Mehmood -- the sole breadwinner in the household =97 has
been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in the New York City
borough of Brooklyn since Oct. 3.
In a saga of loss, bureaucratic nightmare and desperate attempts to
understand an unfamiliar system with the odds seemingly stacked against
her, Naheed was not allowed to see Mehmood for more than nine weeks after
he was detained.=20
It was not until various community and immigration rights groups took up
her case that the 39-year-old immigrant from Pakistan was allowed to see
her husband through metal bars in a bleak high-security visiting room.
MORE MORE MORE
See the full story and photo at=20
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/detainee020111.html
#47 Posted by mfarooqui on January 12, 2002 2:27:18 am
Sorry, DRUMZ - I forgot to mention the link is called:``songs of love and devotion``
#46 Posted by mfarooqui on January 12, 2002 2:27:18 am
Chowk Editors and Chowkwallahs:
Apologies for sidetracking this board temporarily, but I have a request of all chowkwallahs:
I don`t know if I am the only one who has this difficulty, but many times on Chowk I`ve wanted to follow more than two reply threads and to have them visible on the screen at the same time. Rather than simply make a request, I`ve tried to solve this, and have put together a sample Chowk site at:
http://members.home.net/qawwalli1/
At the bottom of the page are links to the sample site. This is what you need to click on. To get into it the user name is: concept and the password is also: concept (both lower case). The page that comes up has a link called ``redesigned chowk``.
My humble request is to ask as many of you as possible to look at it and let me know if it just a waste of time or if it really is something useful. If useful, Chowk Editors, you may have it (if you like it of course!)
Now, for DRUMZ (and actually for others who may be interested as well): DRUMZ, a while ago you had made a comment that you did not find Islam deep enough or profound enough. That makes me ask of you a small favor: I`ve provided a link (named ``DRUMZ``) which will take you to an article on the same site. Hope you find it readable enough - I`d really like to hear your comments after you read it. No problem if you don`t (at worst you can always click right out of it!)
For those who explore the site further (there are visual goodies!) A warning!! This is a site that has Flash/audio and needs a cable or fast connection. Please explore, move the mouse around and click away everywhere on the fashion site page.
Apologies for sidetracking this board temporarily, but I have a request of all chowkwallahs:
I don`t know if I am the only one who has this difficulty, but many times on Chowk I`ve wanted to follow more than two reply threads and to have them visible on the screen at the same time. Rather than simply make a request, I`ve tried to solve this, and have put together a sample Chowk site at:
http://members.home.net/qawwalli1/
At the bottom of the page are links to the sample site. This is what you need to click on. To get into it the user name is: concept and the password is also: concept (both lower case). The page that comes up has a link called ``redesigned chowk``.
My humble request is to ask as many of you as possible to look at it and let me know if it just a waste of time or if it really is something useful. If useful, Chowk Editors, you may have it (if you like it of course!)
Now, for DRUMZ (and actually for others who may be interested as well): DRUMZ, a while ago you had made a comment that you did not find Islam deep enough or profound enough. That makes me ask of you a small favor: I`ve provided a link (named ``DRUMZ``) which will take you to an article on the same site. Hope you find it readable enough - I`d really like to hear your comments after you read it. No problem if you don`t (at worst you can always click right out of it!)
For those who explore the site further (there are visual goodies!) A warning!! This is a site that has Flash/audio and needs a cable or fast connection. Please explore, move the mouse around and click away everywhere on the fashion site page.
#45 Posted by soysauce on January 12, 2002 2:27:18 am
Saminashah
By technical writing i meant the ``publish or perish`` variety. I`m an academic. As for poems, i prefer the old-fashioned kind. Wordsworth is my favorite.
aicha
I happen to love soysauce. Actually i love chinese vegan food. My daughter goes nuts over (shoyu) soysauce too, on white rice, tofu, pretty much everything..BTW, thanks for being a good sport about my ``poem`` on the haiku board. I too thought/think they were about sex. I`d hate to disagree with Saima because i don`t want her thinking i`m just an ordinary joe with a dirty mind.
By technical writing i meant the ``publish or perish`` variety. I`m an academic. As for poems, i prefer the old-fashioned kind. Wordsworth is my favorite.
aicha
I happen to love soysauce. Actually i love chinese vegan food. My daughter goes nuts over (shoyu) soysauce too, on white rice, tofu, pretty much everything..BTW, thanks for being a good sport about my ``poem`` on the haiku board. I too thought/think they were about sex. I`d hate to disagree with Saima because i don`t want her thinking i`m just an ordinary joe with a dirty mind.
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