The Future Is Another Country: 2050 And Beyond

re: anNy

{I rest my case}

i do too

..lady, aap thora chill karain, as you like to say...

zafarsaab:

``magar koshish karunga…``

mae bhi karoongee

saxena:

``yah well zafar is still not going to `condemn` me as you keep prodding him to do...(he might say something now show ke liye, but that`s about it)....he`ll reserve the jootas for that ali eunuch fellow and the bearded freak from detroit....``

I rest my case

tahmedsaab:

im glad u and the mrs enjoyed it! (now that we`re off the front page) pls convey my regards and tell her she`s a very lucky woman to have a man as wonderful as youself

Reply anNy # 551

“dosti then…”

Wokay. Glad you are not cross. I still suspect that we will continue to find different things irritating, and in no small part because we have different chowk buddies…magar koshish karunga…

Raw-ulcers

“Since Hindus and Sikhs have to India, India should acquire more land where it can resttle immigrants. India should demand inclusion of Lahore in India - place for Sikhs and Punjabi history”

….i was just about to retort to this when i saw the handle….never mind…

tahmed321

“anNy #535 I checked out Matteela.com and it is a great website. Very tastefully done, and some great lok geet on it. My wife loves this kind of stuff too (even more than myself, if that is possible), and so you our thanks and double thanks.”

…..tahmadsaab, hope you checked out pappu saien in the music section…unlike what the website says, he’s very well known…well, in lahore at least….he gives a performance every thursday or so…and what a performance it is…everyone sits around in this hash infused circle...and then he starts his drumming and gets into this trance….very breathtaking…..one of the most religious experiences of my life…just this summer, my friend brought a couple of gora friends from england …they were so mesmerized they went every thursday for the whole time they were here….

Saminashah, anNy, Zafar-bhai....

Somehow the art of giving gaalis is far more developed, as it were, in Hindi/Urdu/Punjabi, muccccch more than it is in Angrezi. In the former languages, gaalis are often a form of bonding, a symbol of familiarity. THAT was what I meant when I talked about being as comfortable swearing to a woman as with a a man.... you have to understand that a lot of it is hardly literal.... for example... ``Oh Bhen * * * *`` is often used in the same tone as ``Oh sh1t``, with no implications of incest at all. Often females are uncomfortable around this kind of language, which I assume is anny`s problem at least.

When you move past that, there are enough people of ether sex very comfortable swearing at each other regardless of sex, and taking offence ``because I am a woman`` is rather stupid. Sure, invectives like ``whore`` or ``b1tch`` sound worse because they are so woman-specific, but then using generic gaalis on women renders them totally ineffective, naaa? Often in gaali-matches with woman contenders, that`s where one loses out as a male... they can tap into the entire gamut while us males have to be content with b1tch, slut, whore and then.... vacuum!

Anyway... can`t believe I`m expounding on gaali-galoch as a valid form of social interaction, but since you all asked.... those are my views...

And Zafar-bhai, thanks for the reprieve... I still think you are one of the best-behaved people on Chowk and your latest manoeuver with anNy/QuratulaiN deserves appluase :))))

Think this thread is dead..... but posting anyway.

RSaxena:

``oh yeah? we`ll see who`s laughing when i`m in amsterdam next week. you`ll be stuck with pasty boston chicks, fake blondes, and mean desis.``

Amsterdam huh...nice..I stayed at the Pulitzer. Nice place. Planning a visit to Yab Yum? :)

Spring Is Key in South Asia Standoff

Mon Feb 11, 3:20 AM ET

By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writer

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020211/ap_on_re_as/south_asia_standoff_1

NEW DELHI, India (AP) - It could be the springtime thaw in the Himalayas before India and Pakistan warm up to pulling back from their military standoff.

That`s the season when Islamic militants traditionally cross into India`s portion of Kashmir (news - web sites) to help a Muslim insurgency, and the Indian government is waiting to see if Pakistan lives up to its pledge to curb extremist groups.

Until then, nearly a million soldiers likely will remain facing each other across the 1,800-mile frontier, keeping worries high about the possibility of a fourth war between the South Asian neighbors, both of which now have nuclear weapons.

The standoff has complicated the U.S. campaign against terrorist groups in this region. Pakistan, whose president is to meet with President Bush (news - web sites) this week, has been a key U.S. ally in the Afghan war, and Washington has been working to improve relations with India.

The crisis began after gunmen staged a suicide assault on India`s parliament complex Dec. 13. India`s government blamed the attack on Islamic extremist groups based in Pakistan, and both sides began reinforcing military forces on the border.

In an effort to ease tensions, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf promised to keep militants from crossing the frontier to launch attacks in the part of Kashmir controlled by India. India says it won`t pull back until it sees proof Pakistan is living up to that vow.

``The only real test of whether the infiltration is going to increase, decrease or remain the same is going to come in April or May, once the snows melt and the passes open up,`` said Rahul Bedi, a New Delhi-based defense analyst who writes for Jane`s Defense Weekly.

Robert Blackwill, the U.S. ambassador to India, said last week that the border crisis has eased since Musharraf`s Jan. 12 speech announcing a crackdown on Islamic militants and promising terrorism in the cause of Kashmir would not be tolerated.

``But the crisis has definitely not gone away,`` Blackwill added. ``It is quite dangerous that both countries have their forces on highest alert. A spark can set off an unintended conflict.``

The leaders of both counties continue to fan the flames with harsh rhetoric over Kashmir, a predominantly Muslim region that India and Pakistan have fought over twice since independence from Britain in 1947.

In a speech last Tuesday to mark Kashmir Solidarity Day in Pakistan, Musharraf accused India of murder, torture and gang rape. Kashmiris on India`s side of the frontier have had ``humiliation of the worst kind heaped upon them through the instrument of state terrorism,`` he said.

He added that Pakistan would continue to extend ``diplomatic, political and moral support to the Kashmiri people in their just struggle`` to break away from India, where Hindus predominate.

Indian Prime Minister Atal Vihari Vajpayee scoffed in response and reiterated India`s charge that Pakistan`s government is sponsoring a proxy war to bring all of Kashmir under Pakistani control.

``They can go on celebrating Kashmir Day for as long as they wish and to their heart`s content,`` Vajpayee thundered at a political rally Wednesday. ``But they can be certain about one thing, which is they will never, ever be able to get Kashmir.``

The Indian government puts the death toll for the 12-year-old rebellion at 32,000 civilians, militants and Indian soldiers. Musharraf estimated Tuesday that at least 70,000 lives had been lost.

Indians worry that Pakistan is getting the best of the international public relations war.

``The major powers, particularly the U.S., do not want these crazy Indians and Pakistanis to get into a nuclear conflict,`` said J.N. Dixit, a former Indian foreign secretary and ambassador to Pakistan. ``Musharraf has made all the right noises and the world goes by noises, and not by facts.``

Riffat Hussain, chairman of defense and strategic studies at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad, Pakistan`s capital, said it is up to India to end the crisis.

``They are the ones who have initiated tensions by massing the troops. And they are the ones who have to determine whether they want to defuse the tension or reciprocate the steps taken by President Musharraf to defuse the tensions,`` Hussain said. ``The ball is in the Indian court.``

Bedi, the Jane`s analyst, said India had ``become a victim of its own rhetoric.``

``Having deployed their troops into a high state of alert, they don`t have a means to pull back without achieving something,`` he said.

anNy #535 I checked out Matteela.com and it is a great website. Very tastefully done, and some great lok geet on it. My wife loves this kind of stuff too (even more than myself, if that is possible), and so you our thanks and double thanks.

It was agreed at the time of Partition that there should not be mass migration of population which means Hindus in Pakistan can stay in Pakistan and Muslims can stay in India. It was Pakistan which broke the rule. Now that Pakistan is a theocratic Muslim State for Mussalmaans only, and violated the written rule, there is no need for India to adhere to norms when it comes to Pakistan.

Since Hindus and Sikhs have to India, India should acquire more land where it can resttle immigrants. India should demand inclusion of Lahore in India - place for Sikhs and Punjabi history.

re: anNy

{{dosti then..urstruly aur saxena jaisae dumbo`s kae upar humn jaisae paak logon ka larna bohat sharam kee baat hae}}

yah well zafar is still not going to `condemn` me as you keep prodding him to do...(he might say something now show ke liye, but that`s about it)....he`ll reserve the jootas for that ali eunuch fellow and the bearded freak from detroit....

re: spout

``mental hernia``

is that what they`re calling your condition these days?

{where`s the originality...}

dear, that`s exactly what i asked...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/kashmir/Story/0,2763,647840,00.html

My lost country

Muzamil Jaleel grew up in the meadows and mountains of Kashmir. Then he saw friends and family die in its pursuit of independence. His country has become a battlefield - and he knows it can never be the same.

Online debate: what hope is there for Kashmir?.

Observer Worldview

Sunday February 10, 2002

The Observer

Not long ago, somebody asked me what kind of stories I wrote. Obituaries came to mind. As a reporter in Kashmir I have been literally writing obituaries for the past 10 years; only the characters and places change, the stories are always the same, full of misery and tears.

And when in October last year I got a chance to leave Kashmir, I hoped for a change. Every human being has a threshold for pain and agony. I felt mine had been reached. I wanted to escape. But within days, Kashmir was in the headlines and although I was thousands of miles away, I found myself in the middle of it all again.

I was born in Kashmir. I grew up in its apple orchards and lush green meadows, dreamed on the banks of its freshwater streams. I went to school there, sitting on straw mats and memorising tables by heart. After school my friends and I would rush half-way home, tear off our uniforms and dive into the cold water. Then we would quickly dry our hair, so our parents would not find out what we had done. Sometimes, when we felt especially daring, we would skip an entire day of school to play cricket.

My village lies in the foothills of the Himalayas. During summer breaks, we would trek to the meadows high in the mountains carrying salt slates for the family cattle, sit around a campfire and play the flute for hours. The chilling winter would turn the boys and girls of our small village into one huge family - huddled together in a big room, we would listen to stories till late into the night. Sipping hot cups of the traditional salt tea, the village elder who had inherited the art of storytelling would transport us to the era of his tales. He had never been to school but he remembered hundreds of beautiful stories by heart. Kashmir was like a big party, full of love and life. Today death and fear dominate everything.

I was in Kashmir too when the first bomb exploded in 1988. People first thought it was the outcome of a small political feud, although everybody knew the pot was boiling after years of political discontent. Then that September a young man, Ajaz Dar, died in a violent encounter with the police. Disgruntled by the farce of decades of ostensible democracy under Indian rule, a group of Kashmiri young men had decided to fight. They had dreamt of an independent Kashmir free from both India and Pakistan. Although this young man was not the first Kashmiri to die fighting for this cause, his death was the beginning of an era of tragedy.

Separatist sentiment had been dominant among Kashmiris since 1947, when Kashmir was divided between India and Pakistan during partition, and the two countries fought over it. But it was not until 40 years later that most of the youngsters opted for guns against Indian rule, in reaction to the government-sponsored rigging of the assembly polls, aimed at crushing dissent.

It is not a surprise that India`s most wanted Kashmiri militant leader, Syed Salahudin, contested that assembly election from Srinagar, nor that, unofficially, he was winning by a good margin. When the elections were rigged, he lost not only the election but faith in the process as well. His polling agents and supporters were arrested and tortured; most of them later became militants.

Neighbouring Pakistan, which occupies a third of Kashmir, also smelled the changing mood in Kashmir and offered a helping hand by providing arms training and AK-47 rifles. Violence was introduced amid growing dissent against India and hundreds of young people joined the armed movement. Kashmir was changing.

I had just completed secondary school then and was enrolled in a college - a perfect potential recruit: the entire militant movement belonged to my generation. The movement was the only topic of discussion on the street, in the classroom and at home. Soon people started coming out onto the streets, thousands would march to the famous Sufi shrines or to the United Nations office, shouting slogans in favour of ` Azadi !` (freedom). These mass protests became an everyday affair, frustrating the authorities, who began to use force to counter them. Dozens of protesters were killed by police fire.

Many of my close friends and classmates began to join. One day, half of our class was missing. They never returned to school again, and nobody even looked for them, because it was understood.

Although the reasons for joining the militant movement varied from person to person, the majority of Kashmiris never felt that they belonged to India. What had been a relatively dormant separatist sentiment was finally exploding into a fully-fledged separatist uprising.

I too wanted to join, though I didn`t know exactly why or what it would lead to. Most of us were teenagers and had not seriously thought about the consequences. Perhaps the rebel image was subconsciously attracting us all.

I also prepared for the dangerous journey from our village in north Kashmir to Pakistan-controlled Kashmir where all the training camps were. One didn`t just have to avoid being sighted by the Indian soldiers who guarded the border round the clock, but also defeat the fierce cold and the difficulties of hiking over the snow-clad Himalayan peaks that stood in the way. I acquired the standard militant`s gear: I bought the Wellington boots, prepared a polythene jacket and trousers to wear over my warm clothes, and found some woollen cloth to wrap around my calves as protection from frostbite.

Fortunately, I failed. Three times a group of us returned from the border. Each time something happened that forced our guide to take us back. The third time, 23 of us had started our journey on foot from Malangam, not far away from my village, only to be abandoned in a dense jungle. It was night, and the group had scattered after hearing gunshots nearby, sensing the presence of Indian army men. In the morning, when we gathered again, our guide was missing. Most of the others decided to continue on their own, but a few of us turned back. We had nothing to eat but leaves for three days. We followed the flight of crows, hoping to reach a human settlement. I was lucky. I reached home and survived.

As the days and months passed, and as the routes the militants took to cross the border became known to Indian security forces, the bodies began to arrive. Lines of young men would disappear on a ridge as they tried to cross over or return home. The stadiums where we had played cricket and football, the beautiful green parks where we had gone on school excursions as children, were turned into martyrs` graveyards. One after another, those who had played in those places were buried there, with huge marble epitaphs detailing their sacrifice. Many had never fired a single bullet from their Kalashnikovs.

One day, I counted my friends and classmates in the martyrs` graveyards near our village. There were 21 of them. I could feel the smiling face of Mushtaq, whom I had known since our schooldays. He would have been 31 this January, but the ninth anniversary of his death is just two months away. He was killed in April 1993. His mother could not bear the pain and lost her mental balance. For all these years, she has been wandering around the villages carrying the shirt he wore on the day of his death.

Another friend, Javaid, was his parents` only son. Extremely handsome, he was obsessed with seeing change in Kashmir. The day he died, he was wearing my clothes. He had come to our house in the morning and changed there. He was 23, and even six hours after his death, when they took him for burial, blood still oozed out of his bullet wounds. I will never forget the moment when I lifted the coffin lid away from his face: there was that usual grin. For a moment, he seemed alive to me.

Javaid`s sister was to have been married 15 days later but the shock of his death gave her a heart attack. She died a few days before what would have been her wedding day.

Today, there are more than 500 martyrs` graveyards dotting Kashmir, and every epitaph standing on a grave tells a story - a tragic story of my generation. Engraving epitaphs has become a lucrative business.

As the death toll of Kashmiris mounted, the world saw the violent movement only as the outcome of a territorial dispute between India and Pakistan which had its roots in the 1947 partition. India always called the rebellion a Pakistan-sponsored terrorist movement, while Pakistan projected it as a jihad - a Kashmiri struggle to join Pakistan just because they shared a common faith.

For India, the future of Kashmir is non-negotiable - it is an `integral part` of the country, the only Muslim majority state in the union and thus a cornerstone of its democracy and secular credentials. For Pakistan, Kashmir is also important because the majority of its population is Muslim - it is Pakistan`s `jugular vein`, and an unfinished task from the subcontinent`s partition in which Pakistan was born as a home for Indian Muslims.

With these claims on Kashmir, both countries have choked the voice of Kashmiris. The Indian government has reacted with an iron fist, deployed large numbers of security men and turned Kashmir into one massive jail.

Pakistan`s hands are not clean either. When hundreds of thousands of Kashmiris came out in support of the separatist movement in 1990, Pakistan`s lust for Kashmir`s land was exposed. It hijacked the separatist movement, painted it with religious fundamentalism and introduced pro-Pakistan, and later jihadi groups to ensure it enjoyed absolute control.

Within years, Kashmir turned into yet another battlefield in the pan-Islamic jihad and its warriors as well as its leaders were now made up of non-Kashmiris whose agendas transcend the demand for self-determination. In the process, the genuine political struggle for the unification of Kashmir and the demand of the people that they should be allowed to decide their own future was forgotten.

Whatever attention Kashmir was given was because it was a flashpoint between two nuclear neighbours and not because Kashmiris were suffering. India and Pakistan seem to share one common policy on Kashmir - to force Kashmiris to toe their respective lines. In fact, it seems that both countries want to fight to the last Kashmiri.

The Indian government held state elections in 1996 apparently aimed at ensuring a representative government in Kashmir. But actually it was nothing more than a farce. The security forces herded people to polling stations and even conducted `nail parades` to check - by the indelible ink pasted on the nail of the forefinger - that people had voted.

The man who represents Kashmir - not only in New Delhi, but across the world as India`s junior Foreign Minister - is Omar Abdullah, the son of Kashmir`s Chief Minister Farooq Abdullah. He received just 5 per cent of votes in his constituency - after coercion by the police and the security forces - and he won the elections. Who he does actually represent, nobody knows.

I have been a witness to all this. I have seen Kashmir change. I still remember my grandmother worrying whenever the sky turned red. `Murder has been committed somewhere,` she would say. Now that suspicion can no longer be reserved for red skies: the daily death toll is 20.

Kashmir used to be known as a crime-free state. One of my neighbours was a senior police officer in the mid-Eighties; he once told me that the average yearly murder rate in Kashmir was three or four. Today, if three people perish in a day, itis considered peaceful.

I have been fortunate enough to be safe, but my family and relatives have not been that lucky. My younger brother Mudabir was picked up in 1994 on suspicion of militancy, and it took us a month just to trace his whereabouts. We divided up the entire Kashmir valley among our family members. Every morning, each one of us would do the rounds of the security force camps to look for him.

My mother had never been to a police station in her entire life, but by the time she finally located my brother, she knew almost every military camp around Srinagar.

And by the time the security forces were convinced of his innocence and released him, he had already been tortured so much that he spent the next two months in bed.

It is now seven years since his release, but he still has nightmares and the mere sight of a soldier sends shivers down his spine. A late-night knock at the door still gives him goose pimples, and sends his heart rate soaring. But this is not exceptional any more in Kashmir.

A cousin`s husband bled to death after he was caught in the crossfire while coming out of mosque one evening. He could have been saved had he reached the hospital in time. But the security forces did not allow the family to come out of their house and take him to the hospital, and there was no other way to seek medical help. He bled to death crying for help, and his wife, mother and younger brother could do nothing but watch their own helplessness. A boy was born in the family four months after his death.

By 1992, there were hardly any young men left in the few villages in north Kashmir around my home. Many had joined the militant movement. Some had died, while others had gone underground; some had surrendered and become counter-insurgents and were part of the pro-government militias. Many had migrated to the urban area of Srinagar city, which was then deemed comparatively safe.

The complexion of the separatist movement was changing fast, and it no longer represented the genuine political aspirations of the people. The pro-Pakistan jihadi groups who dominated the movement tried to impose their radical religious, social and cultural agendas, ignoring the fact that their extremism was alien to the very ethos of Kashmir.

Kashmir has a history of composite culture and religious tolerance. In fact, Islam did not arrive in Kashmir through the clatter of the sword. It was introduced by mystics and Sufis who conquered the hearts of the people. In the centuries that followed, Kashmir turned into a melting pot of ideas and a meeting ground for Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam; there was no place for religious extremism.

Now, as fanaticism started to dominate, using the power of the gun, the militant movement was rendered a mere tool in Pakistan`s plan to bleed its arch-rival India with a thousand cuts.

I decided to leave my village to move to Srinagar and join Kashmir University. I was so desperate to leave that I applied to almost all the departments. It was mere chance that I got into journalism. And when I started writing about the war later that year, I felt that I had been part of this tragic story from the beginning. I knew the militants and the mukhbirs (the police informers); those who surrendered and those who did not; those who faced death because they had a dream and those who were sacrificed by mere chance, neither knowing nor understanding the issues at stake; those who believed they were fighting a holy war and those who joined for unholy reasons. But, as it turned out, there was more to the story.

My first assignment as a reporter was to visit a city police station and collect information regarding some corpses lying there. I accompanied a few local photographers, who began taking pictures as I stared at the six bullet-riddled bodies. They were in terrible condition: blood-soaked clothes, entrails exposed, faces unrecognisable.

That evening, I was haunted by the picture of bodies lying in a pool of blood - even a drink of water reminded me of blood. I couldn`t sleep for days; corpses haunted my dreams.

A few months later I arrived at the site of a massacre to find wailing women and unshaven men sitting in huddles. Bodies lay scattered, like rag dolls discarded by careless children. I felt a lump growing in my throat, my legs felt heavy. I felt incredibly tired and wanted to throw down my notebook and sit silently with the mourners. The noise of the camera shutters invaded my private thoughts, forcing me to think about the story I had to write.

Over the years, writing obituaries became a routine. When violence rules the day, there is nothing but tears to jerk out of the reader`s soul. If I avoided writing about the gory details of death, I would end up writing about orphans or widows. In the process, my reactions to such incidents also began to change. I could no longer relate to these tragedies. Now killings meant stories and bylines, and there was satisfaction to be found in penning them, even if I knew the victims personally.

The continuous interaction with death and destruction was providing a necessary thrill, and the killing fields of Kashmir were becoming nothing but news pastures for me. Every evening, I would wait for the police bulletin that provides the statistics of the daily deaths. Much as a shopkeeper counts his cash before calling it a day, I would count the dead before leaving the office. I once used a calculator to count the 105 men and women dead across the 12 districts in 24 hours. My newspaper wanted a breakdown and I found myself lost in numbers.

I belong to Kashmir`s cursed generation - the youth of the Nineties. I have lived all these troubled years in Kashmir and am still well and alive. But in the process my tears have dried up. I have lost normal human feelings to the adventures of reporting day-to-day violence in my country. I am immune to the death of my own people; I have developed an inability to mourn.

And it seems that the outside world too is unable to feel the pain of Kashmir. After more than 50,000 deaths, there still appears to be no headway towards peace. The international community needs to resolve issues between India and Pakistan. It is not only important in order to avoid a nuclear conflict: it is imperative to end the suffering of the Kashmiri people.

muzamiljaleel@yahoo.com

Prose poem by Agha Shahid Ali

Dear Shahid, I am writing to you from your far-off country. Far even from us who live here. Where you no longer are. Everyone carries his address in his pocket so that at least his body will reach home.

Rumours break on their way to us in the city. But word still reaches us from border towns: Men are forced to stand barefoot in snow waters all night. The women are alone inside. Soldiers smash radios and televisions. With bare hands they tear our houses to pieces.

You must have heard Rizwan was killed. Rizwan: Guardian of the Gates of Paradise. Only eighteen years old. Yesterday at Hideout Café (everyone there asks about you), a doctor - who had just treated a sixteen-year-old boy released from an interrogation centre - said: I want to ask the fortune-tellers: Did anything in his line of Fate reveal that the webs of his hands would be cut with a knife?

This letter, insh`Allah, will reach you for my brother goes south tomorrow where he shall post it. Here one can`t even manage postage stamps. Today I went to the post office. Across the river. Bags and bags - hundreds of canvas bags - all undelivered mail. By chance I looked down and there on the floor I saw this letter addressed to you. So I am enclosing it. I hope it`s from someone you are longing for news of.

Things here are as usual though we always talk about you. Will you come home soon? Waiting for you is like waiting for spring. We are waiting for the almond blossoms. And, if God wills, O! those days of peace when we all were in love and the rain was in our hands wherever we went.

A prose poem taken from The Country Without a Post Office by Agha Shahid Ali (WW Norton, £8.50). Ali was an award-winning Kashmiri poet praised by, amongst others, John Ashbery and Edward Said. He died last December.

suxena #545, ``forgot your tranquilizer dose again?``

did you suffer a mental hernia coming up with

line?

where`s the originality...i`m disappointed in you raveena.

scout - ``are you feeling alright?``

perfectly : )

``don`t ever say that again, not even as a joke....``

but I think it worked : )

semi:

``...ok...you got me...what`s the s stand for?...``

`silly` darling..you have to ASK?

samina

ref: Illa Arun

you are a woman of fine taste samina..i loved her song `haath mae botal` when it came out a few years ago..was bowled over ..the swagger in her tone totally blew my mind..sadly nobody else agreed..have you by any chance heard `sawan mae lag gayee aag` by mika who is daler mehindi`s kid brother? just beautiful

zafarsaab:

dosti then..urstruly aur saxena jaisae dumbo`s kae upar humn jaisae paak logon ka larna bohat sharam kee baat hae