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#440 Posted by cutandpaste on February 6, 2002 11:33:52 am
Pakistan Links Militants to Reporter`s Kidnap
Wed Feb 6, 4:17 AM ET
By Andy Soloman
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani investigators on Wednesday said they had narrowed the search for kidnapped U.S. reporter Daniel Pearl to a banned Islamic militant group suspected of having ties to Osama bin Laden.
Police said they had detained at least six more people since the weekend as they hunted Pearl`s kidnappers, and said they were chasing a senior leader of Jaish-e-Mohammad (Army of Mohammad), which is also blamed for a string of violent attacks in India.
``There is a connection to Jaish in Pearl`s kidnapping. This lead we got from the two persons detained last night in Karachi,`` a senior police official told Reuters.
The organization, which is fighting for an end to Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region and is listed as a terrorist group by the United States, is one of two Pakistani groups blamed by India for a bloody attack on its parliament in December.
Jaish was subsequently banned by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.
Pakistani police detained two men in Karachi late on Tuesday on suspicion of sending e-mails containing photographs of Pearl. They said the trail quickly led to British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, also known as Sheikh Omar, a senior leader of Jaish.
Omar, a graduate of the London School of Economics, is a close associate of Jaish founder Maulana Azhar Masood, one of India`s most wanted men.
``We are hunting Sheikh Omar, who is directly involved in the kidnapping of the U.S. journalist, and we hope to arrest him soon,`` another senior official said. ``It`s a major breakthrough for us and we are confident that we will be able to reach Pearl soon.``
Omar, the son of a clothes merchant from Wanstead in east London, was first arrested by Indian police in 1994, accused of kidnapping three Britons and an American in India.
He was freed from an Indian jail in 1999 -- along with Masood -- in exchange for 155 hostages on an Indian airliner hijacked to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.
Masood, now in detention in Pakistan, has also visited Afghanistan where he met Saudi-born militant bin Laden and the leader of Afghanistan`s vanquished Taliban movement, Mullah Mohammad Omar.
MORE DETENTIONS
Nasir Durrani, senior superintendent of police in Islamabad, told Reuters police had in the last few days also detained four men in the capital in connection with the Pearl kidnapping, but were still seeking another suspect.
Police raided Omar`s house in the eastern city of Lahore early on Wednesday, but the wanted man was not at home.
Police and officials say they believe Omar has been going under the name Imtiaz Siddiqui, one of three people named on Tuesday as key suspects in the case.
Pearl, a 38-year-old Wall Street Journal reporter, went missing in Karachi on January 23 as he attempted to make contact with radical Islamic groups.
Before disappearing, he had been working on a story about alleged shoe-bomber Richard Reid and possible links that he might have to bin Laden`s al Qaeda network and the Taliban.
Police have named Siddiqui, Hashim Qadir and Bashir (eds: one name) as key suspects in the case, accusing them of helping Pearl arrange meetings at the time of his disappearance.
A previously unknown group calling itself The National Movement for the Restoration of Pakistani Sovereignty claimed to have kidnapped Pearl.
The kidnap group has called for the United States to release Pakistani and Afghan prisoners from the Afghan war, as well as the former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, demands Washington has ruled out meeting.
Wed Feb 6, 4:17 AM ET
By Andy Soloman
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani investigators on Wednesday said they had narrowed the search for kidnapped U.S. reporter Daniel Pearl to a banned Islamic militant group suspected of having ties to Osama bin Laden.
Police said they had detained at least six more people since the weekend as they hunted Pearl`s kidnappers, and said they were chasing a senior leader of Jaish-e-Mohammad (Army of Mohammad), which is also blamed for a string of violent attacks in India.
``There is a connection to Jaish in Pearl`s kidnapping. This lead we got from the two persons detained last night in Karachi,`` a senior police official told Reuters.
The organization, which is fighting for an end to Indian rule in the disputed Kashmir region and is listed as a terrorist group by the United States, is one of two Pakistani groups blamed by India for a bloody attack on its parliament in December.
Jaish was subsequently banned by Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.
Pakistani police detained two men in Karachi late on Tuesday on suspicion of sending e-mails containing photographs of Pearl. They said the trail quickly led to British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, also known as Sheikh Omar, a senior leader of Jaish.
Omar, a graduate of the London School of Economics, is a close associate of Jaish founder Maulana Azhar Masood, one of India`s most wanted men.
``We are hunting Sheikh Omar, who is directly involved in the kidnapping of the U.S. journalist, and we hope to arrest him soon,`` another senior official said. ``It`s a major breakthrough for us and we are confident that we will be able to reach Pearl soon.``
Omar, the son of a clothes merchant from Wanstead in east London, was first arrested by Indian police in 1994, accused of kidnapping three Britons and an American in India.
He was freed from an Indian jail in 1999 -- along with Masood -- in exchange for 155 hostages on an Indian airliner hijacked to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.
Masood, now in detention in Pakistan, has also visited Afghanistan where he met Saudi-born militant bin Laden and the leader of Afghanistan`s vanquished Taliban movement, Mullah Mohammad Omar.
MORE DETENTIONS
Nasir Durrani, senior superintendent of police in Islamabad, told Reuters police had in the last few days also detained four men in the capital in connection with the Pearl kidnapping, but were still seeking another suspect.
Police raided Omar`s house in the eastern city of Lahore early on Wednesday, but the wanted man was not at home.
Police and officials say they believe Omar has been going under the name Imtiaz Siddiqui, one of three people named on Tuesday as key suspects in the case.
Pearl, a 38-year-old Wall Street Journal reporter, went missing in Karachi on January 23 as he attempted to make contact with radical Islamic groups.
Before disappearing, he had been working on a story about alleged shoe-bomber Richard Reid and possible links that he might have to bin Laden`s al Qaeda network and the Taliban.
Police have named Siddiqui, Hashim Qadir and Bashir (eds: one name) as key suspects in the case, accusing them of helping Pearl arrange meetings at the time of his disappearance.
A previously unknown group calling itself The National Movement for the Restoration of Pakistani Sovereignty claimed to have kidnapped Pearl.
The kidnap group has called for the United States to release Pakistani and Afghan prisoners from the Afghan war, as well as the former Taliban ambassador to Pakistan Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, demands Washington has ruled out meeting.
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#439 Posted by anNy on February 6, 2002 11:33:52 am
Samina:
``Zahra left Chowk after your friend 12 Head wrote responded to one of her posts in a characteristically psychopathic manner. Perhaps you might remember that both you, Dost Mittar and Zafar expressed sympathy for her. Again, Zafar has always acted in a respectful and intelligent manner towards the women interactors. If he has been responding to the tenor of some of the hate posts that Afaqui and 12 Head have been posted, it is because all of us can only put up with so much garbage...I again reiterate that the Indian and Hindu interactors on Chowk have been generally quite pleasant, unlike certain Muslim Pakistani interactors. I would urge you to look carefully and seriously at some of the ways in which you write about Hindus on this website.``
while this whole argument is rather funny as you yourself put it, allow me to say in clear words that you are being unfair in your argument about muslims and Pakistanis being disrespectful and hindus not. Sadna has repeatedly called pakistan, pukistan. She has also called tahmed sahab an eunch. YLH has called her a b!tch while I have called dear soyasauce scum. ali1 has called stuka very bad things and stuka has tried his best to out do him. The competition is still on. Mr. Gowy while a fine person to know personally, was a prime factor in Zahra`s going and more so in her not coming back i.e. he wrote a most horribly rude post snorting that she would come back and also something highly derogatory about her dad also if i remember correctly. Saxena, harimau and rdesiken are often rude without any prompting. This in not to take away from the budtameezi of interactors who happen to be pakistani or muslim- the point is that its not a Pakistani or a muslim thing Samina. There are sick people everywhere; its just our saree hoee qismat that Mr.Afaqui happens to be a musalman by birth though obviously not one in spirit. (youre more than welcome to take that up with me sir..iv read enough of your nonsense to make your gums bleed) Our urstruly is a hopeless case- there is so much hate I’m surprised he hast died of a charred heart. The same may be said of Saxena, only he is a whole lot smarter in his personna on chowk.
Like i told our wonderfully articulate zafarsaab and prem a few months ago, we need to be fair in our critisism. The only two people on chowk (as in those who sometimes participate in the madness..not the hoity toity ones like sac and the proper sameersaab and ferozk and fuzair and temporal etc) who have maintained an almost impossible level of decency and fairness in their interacts would be tahmedsahab and dostmittar- both of whom talk about innane things like peace and humanity and speak like insaan kae bachae and not as indians or pakistanis or hindus and muslims.
Your statement a few posts back was just not fair.
Regards,
anNy
``Zahra left Chowk after your friend 12 Head wrote responded to one of her posts in a characteristically psychopathic manner. Perhaps you might remember that both you, Dost Mittar and Zafar expressed sympathy for her. Again, Zafar has always acted in a respectful and intelligent manner towards the women interactors. If he has been responding to the tenor of some of the hate posts that Afaqui and 12 Head have been posted, it is because all of us can only put up with so much garbage...I again reiterate that the Indian and Hindu interactors on Chowk have been generally quite pleasant, unlike certain Muslim Pakistani interactors. I would urge you to look carefully and seriously at some of the ways in which you write about Hindus on this website.``
while this whole argument is rather funny as you yourself put it, allow me to say in clear words that you are being unfair in your argument about muslims and Pakistanis being disrespectful and hindus not. Sadna has repeatedly called pakistan, pukistan. She has also called tahmed sahab an eunch. YLH has called her a b!tch while I have called dear soyasauce scum. ali1 has called stuka very bad things and stuka has tried his best to out do him. The competition is still on. Mr. Gowy while a fine person to know personally, was a prime factor in Zahra`s going and more so in her not coming back i.e. he wrote a most horribly rude post snorting that she would come back and also something highly derogatory about her dad also if i remember correctly. Saxena, harimau and rdesiken are often rude without any prompting. This in not to take away from the budtameezi of interactors who happen to be pakistani or muslim- the point is that its not a Pakistani or a muslim thing Samina. There are sick people everywhere; its just our saree hoee qismat that Mr.Afaqui happens to be a musalman by birth though obviously not one in spirit. (youre more than welcome to take that up with me sir..iv read enough of your nonsense to make your gums bleed) Our urstruly is a hopeless case- there is so much hate I’m surprised he hast died of a charred heart. The same may be said of Saxena, only he is a whole lot smarter in his personna on chowk.
Like i told our wonderfully articulate zafarsaab and prem a few months ago, we need to be fair in our critisism. The only two people on chowk (as in those who sometimes participate in the madness..not the hoity toity ones like sac and the proper sameersaab and ferozk and fuzair and temporal etc) who have maintained an almost impossible level of decency and fairness in their interacts would be tahmedsahab and dostmittar- both of whom talk about innane things like peace and humanity and speak like insaan kae bachae and not as indians or pakistanis or hindus and muslims.
Your statement a few posts back was just not fair.
Regards,
anNy
#438 Posted by ZafarA on February 6, 2002 11:33:52 am
Reply Scout # 435
[saminashah #430, ``I again reiterate that the Indian and Hindu interactors on Chowk have been generally quite pleasant, unlike certain Muslim Pakistani interactors.``
“In all fairness, that`s not completely true. There are idiots on both sides. I wouldn`t call harimau and suxena`s posts generally ``pleasant.``”]
Scoutji,
Give the devil his due. Whatever RSaxena’s many faults (I don’t dare dispute them with you!) he is NOT vile to women – specifically he doesn’t call them vulgar names, caste doubts on their gender, or in fact use every sexist trick in the book to bully them into keeping quiet when they don’t agree with him or when he finds their views not to his liking. To be honest, he is consistently decent in that regard. It`s very unfair to say otherwise, no?
Uff, but seriously...
As a Muslim human being I find it troubling that so many of us resort to intimidating people into being quiet when we don’t like what they say (I can see that I do this myself sometimes, it is not something I am particularly proud of), and that often it’s women being intimidated in this way, and that almost always it’s men doing the intimidating (when verbal or in writing by using stereotypes from the ugliest aspects of our culture). What’s also troubling (and this is not some sort of heavy criticism of you per se, just actually how it hits me) is that you felt the need to minimise the ugliness of their behaviour by giving in to this ``criticisms should be fairly distributed, the other side does it too`` thing. It is NOT a universal trait among Muslim Men - let me draw your attention to our poster boy Mr Tahmed for an example of the opposite. It is an individual failing which many men in our culture give in to, and which (sorry) many women in our culture put up with so long as it isn`t directly focused at them.
If any of the men who have behaved badly with Samina on Chowk had dealt with you in the same manner – and I suspect that they don’t more due to a coincidence of views than seeing you in a fundamentally different way - I think you would be offended and angry, and justifiably so. You might find that the fact that other groups of people also do this kind of thing somewhat irrelevant.
“Can`t blame one group and not the other.”
I guess I feel that blaming the other group does nothing to fix ours, and in fact may retard that process. (And I’d say that about most groups I belong to.)
This post is a bit all over the shop - no offence intended, hope none taken.
Zafar
[Er...TAhmed...check please...iss bari stamp math bhuliye...]
[saminashah #430, ``I again reiterate that the Indian and Hindu interactors on Chowk have been generally quite pleasant, unlike certain Muslim Pakistani interactors.``
“In all fairness, that`s not completely true. There are idiots on both sides. I wouldn`t call harimau and suxena`s posts generally ``pleasant.``”]
Scoutji,
Give the devil his due. Whatever RSaxena’s many faults (I don’t dare dispute them with you!) he is NOT vile to women – specifically he doesn’t call them vulgar names, caste doubts on their gender, or in fact use every sexist trick in the book to bully them into keeping quiet when they don’t agree with him or when he finds their views not to his liking. To be honest, he is consistently decent in that regard. It`s very unfair to say otherwise, no?
Uff, but seriously...
As a Muslim human being I find it troubling that so many of us resort to intimidating people into being quiet when we don’t like what they say (I can see that I do this myself sometimes, it is not something I am particularly proud of), and that often it’s women being intimidated in this way, and that almost always it’s men doing the intimidating (when verbal or in writing by using stereotypes from the ugliest aspects of our culture). What’s also troubling (and this is not some sort of heavy criticism of you per se, just actually how it hits me) is that you felt the need to minimise the ugliness of their behaviour by giving in to this ``criticisms should be fairly distributed, the other side does it too`` thing. It is NOT a universal trait among Muslim Men - let me draw your attention to our poster boy Mr Tahmed for an example of the opposite. It is an individual failing which many men in our culture give in to, and which (sorry) many women in our culture put up with so long as it isn`t directly focused at them.
If any of the men who have behaved badly with Samina on Chowk had dealt with you in the same manner – and I suspect that they don’t more due to a coincidence of views than seeing you in a fundamentally different way - I think you would be offended and angry, and justifiably so. You might find that the fact that other groups of people also do this kind of thing somewhat irrelevant.
“Can`t blame one group and not the other.”
I guess I feel that blaming the other group does nothing to fix ours, and in fact may retard that process. (And I’d say that about most groups I belong to.)
This post is a bit all over the shop - no offence intended, hope none taken.
Zafar
[Er...TAhmed...check please...iss bari stamp math bhuliye...]
#437 Posted by sadna on February 6, 2002 9:04:58 am
My post #408
``Now a similar group seems to have taken a Western journalist hostage,`` `` Now anyone capable of thinking straight would ask, if Pakistan has in the past refused to arrest known hijackers of planes and kidnappers, and allowed them to participate in its public affairs and provided shelter and support to their continued operations at the cost of good relations with India, is that a Indian conspiracy too? Why blame India only when these people continue operations as before and cause international incidents?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=69&u=/abc/20020206/ts_abc/pakistan_pearl020205
``..Pakistani Police Arrest 3 in Hunt for U.S. Journalist
Wed Feb 6, 8:25 AM ET
ABCNEWS.com
``...Local police and the FBI made at least five raids on homes today, arresting three people and uncovering a key piece of evidence — a computer believed to have been used to issue e-mail demands in exchange for Pearl, the South Asia bureau chief of The Wall Street Journal .
Sources identified the three by the names Fahd, Adeel and Sulieman. At least one of the men arrested confessed to sending those e-mails, police said.
``We have significant evidence now to lead us to the man who is responsible for this,`` said Kamal Shah, the chief of police in Karachi.
Investigators have also identified two key suspects: Mohammed Hashim Qadeer, known to be a member of a terrorist group that hijacked an Indian Airlines jet in 1999, and Sheik Omar Saeed, who was freed from an Indian prison as part of the deal that ended that hijacking.
Saeed is believed to be the ringleader of the kidnapping. Four members of Saeed`s family have been taken into custody.
``Daniel may not be with [Saeed], but he knows where Daniel is being kept,`` Shah said.
Earlier today, Karachi police said Qadeer, who also goes by the alias Arif, along with two other men known by the aliases of Imtiaz Siddiqui and Choudrey Bashir, acted as intermediaries in Pearl`s efforts to get an interview with a Muslim cleric last month. ..``
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/06/international/asia/06REPO.html
``..The police said Mr. Qadir had agreed to lead Mr. Pearl to another man, whom they said was Mr. Bashir, who promised to lead Mr. Pearl to a meeting with Mubarak Ali Shah Gilani, the leader of a Jamaat al- Fuqra, a militant group.
Pakistani officials said Mr. Qadir was a member of Harkatul Mujahedeen, an Islamic militant group declared a terrorist organization by the American government last year. Its predecessor organization, Harkat Ansar, was believed to be behind the kidnapping of a group of Western hikers in Indian Kashmir in 1995. Harkat Ansar was also declared a terrorist organization...``
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020206/ts/attack_pakistan_reporter_dc_45.html
``...
Pakistani police detained two men in Karachi late on Tuesday on suspicion of sending e-mails containing photographs of Pearl. They said the trail quickly led to British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, also known as Sheikh Omar, a senior leader of Jaish.
Omar, a graduate of the London School of Economics, is a close associate of Jaish founder Maulana Azhar Masood, one of India`s most wanted men.
``We are hunting Sheikh Omar, who is directly involved in the kidnapping of the U.S. journalist, and we hope to arrest him soon,`` another senior official said. ``It`s a major breakthrough for us and we are confident that we will be able to reach Pearl soon.``
Omar, the son of a clothes merchant from Wanstead in east London, was first arrested by Indian police in 1994, accused of kidnapping three Britons and an American in India.
He was freed from an Indian jail in 1999 -- along with Masood -- in exchange for 155 hostages on an Indian airliner hijacked to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar...``
``Now a similar group seems to have taken a Western journalist hostage,`` `` Now anyone capable of thinking straight would ask, if Pakistan has in the past refused to arrest known hijackers of planes and kidnappers, and allowed them to participate in its public affairs and provided shelter and support to their continued operations at the cost of good relations with India, is that a Indian conspiracy too? Why blame India only when these people continue operations as before and cause international incidents?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=69&u=/abc/20020206/ts_abc/pakistan_pearl020205
``..Pakistani Police Arrest 3 in Hunt for U.S. Journalist
Wed Feb 6, 8:25 AM ET
ABCNEWS.com
``...Local police and the FBI made at least five raids on homes today, arresting three people and uncovering a key piece of evidence — a computer believed to have been used to issue e-mail demands in exchange for Pearl, the South Asia bureau chief of The Wall Street Journal .
Sources identified the three by the names Fahd, Adeel and Sulieman. At least one of the men arrested confessed to sending those e-mails, police said.
``We have significant evidence now to lead us to the man who is responsible for this,`` said Kamal Shah, the chief of police in Karachi.
Investigators have also identified two key suspects: Mohammed Hashim Qadeer, known to be a member of a terrorist group that hijacked an Indian Airlines jet in 1999, and Sheik Omar Saeed, who was freed from an Indian prison as part of the deal that ended that hijacking.
Saeed is believed to be the ringleader of the kidnapping. Four members of Saeed`s family have been taken into custody.
``Daniel may not be with [Saeed], but he knows where Daniel is being kept,`` Shah said.
Earlier today, Karachi police said Qadeer, who also goes by the alias Arif, along with two other men known by the aliases of Imtiaz Siddiqui and Choudrey Bashir, acted as intermediaries in Pearl`s efforts to get an interview with a Muslim cleric last month. ..``
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/06/international/asia/06REPO.html
``..The police said Mr. Qadir had agreed to lead Mr. Pearl to another man, whom they said was Mr. Bashir, who promised to lead Mr. Pearl to a meeting with Mubarak Ali Shah Gilani, the leader of a Jamaat al- Fuqra, a militant group.
Pakistani officials said Mr. Qadir was a member of Harkatul Mujahedeen, an Islamic militant group declared a terrorist organization by the American government last year. Its predecessor organization, Harkat Ansar, was believed to be behind the kidnapping of a group of Western hikers in Indian Kashmir in 1995. Harkat Ansar was also declared a terrorist organization...``
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20020206/ts/attack_pakistan_reporter_dc_45.html
``...
Pakistani police detained two men in Karachi late on Tuesday on suspicion of sending e-mails containing photographs of Pearl. They said the trail quickly led to British-born Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh, also known as Sheikh Omar, a senior leader of Jaish.
Omar, a graduate of the London School of Economics, is a close associate of Jaish founder Maulana Azhar Masood, one of India`s most wanted men.
``We are hunting Sheikh Omar, who is directly involved in the kidnapping of the U.S. journalist, and we hope to arrest him soon,`` another senior official said. ``It`s a major breakthrough for us and we are confident that we will be able to reach Pearl soon.``
Omar, the son of a clothes merchant from Wanstead in east London, was first arrested by Indian police in 1994, accused of kidnapping three Britons and an American in India.
He was freed from an Indian jail in 1999 -- along with Masood -- in exchange for 155 hostages on an Indian airliner hijacked to the southern Afghan city of Kandahar...``
#436 Posted by ZafarA on February 6, 2002 1:31:23 am
Reply Urstruly # 426
“Mr. Aadh hindu [``Perhaps you should try another approach?``]…And that approach definitely is not gonna be semantics.”]
Wise, if less than resolute, Mr Pork Chop.
“Mr. Aadh hindu [``Perhaps you should try another approach?``]…And that approach definitely is not gonna be semantics.”]
Wise, if less than resolute, Mr Pork Chop.
#435 Posted by sadna on February 6, 2002 12:07:08 am
Happy?
http://headlines.sify.com/545news1.html
``..Patriotism may be flying high on the border with Pakistan, but it is sinking like a stone at the box-office.
With several hundred thousand troops massed on the frontier, a couple of big-budget `Bollywood` movies have sought to cash in on the current wave of nationalist sentiment.
But pop patriotism and Pakistan-bashing are no longer the guarantors of popular success they once were.
The latest such offering, ``Maa Tujhe Salaam`` was released last month and focuses on the heroic efforts of a military officer in single handedly preventing a vast terrorist infiltration across the Kashmir border with Pakistan -- with a few song-and-dance numbers thrown in.
Despite having names like Sunny Deol and Tabu, the film has expired at the box office after being torn apart by the critics.
``Maa Tujhe Salaam is a clear flop and has proved that just because patriotic feelings are running high at the moment, it does not mean that a patriotically-positioned movie will click,`` said P S Ramanathan, manager (film distribution) at Rajashree Productions Pvt Ltd.
The critics were unanimous in condemning the movie for its unrealistic storyline and gratuitous anti-Pakistan sentiment.
``Totally jingoistic, this film is only for those who believe that the way to solve our troubles with Pakistan is to bomb it out of existence or bore them to death with our mindless patriotic films,`` said the reviewer for MTVIndia.com. ..``
#434 Posted by sigalph235 on February 5, 2002 8:23:10 pm
re dost mittar 424
``Am I close?``
Quite. I will venture a couple of additions: the support of BNP amongst the military or ex-military types and the smaller businessmen is greater than the the Awami League`s.
No, to the best of my knowledge Hasina Wajed has not joined parliament in plenum though the Opposition has joined parliamentary committees now. She believes it is in her daddy`s will that she always be in majority not minority, never mind what the common folks say.
``Am I close?``
Quite. I will venture a couple of additions: the support of BNP amongst the military or ex-military types and the smaller businessmen is greater than the the Awami League`s.
No, to the best of my knowledge Hasina Wajed has not joined parliament in plenum though the Opposition has joined parliamentary committees now. She believes it is in her daddy`s will that she always be in majority not minority, never mind what the common folks say.
#433 Posted by AAmir on February 5, 2002 8:23:10 pm
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#432 Posted by stuka on February 5, 2002 7:44:00 pm
Scout:
And what about that nutcase called `audio-video-radio` and his evil twin `pyar-kiye`ja`... There are many more like him, some more articulate in their vile posts.
Arrey, those are just nicks of 12 Head that he uses to confuse Chowkies. Do we even know if 12 Head is Hindu/Muslim or Indo Paki?
And what about that nutcase called `audio-video-radio` and his evil twin `pyar-kiye`ja`... There are many more like him, some more articulate in their vile posts.
Arrey, those are just nicks of 12 Head that he uses to confuse Chowkies. Do we even know if 12 Head is Hindu/Muslim or Indo Paki?
#431 Posted by macgupta on February 5, 2002 7:44:00 pm
What is the equivalent on chowk for a moment
of silence ?
http://www.dawn.com/2002/02/05/top6.htm
Dead man mistaken for Daniel identified By
Our Staff Reporter
KARACHI, Feb 4: The unidentified body which
was found on Sunday night and mistaken for
Daniel Pearl`s was identified as that of a
dental surgeon of Aga Khan University
Hospital.
Police said the dead man, who was identified
by his father, Rafiqullah, on Monday, as
Surgeon Faisal Rafiq Khan, aged 30, had left
his home in Clifton`s Block 5 on Sunday
evening. His body was recovered from the
limits of the Kalakot police the same night.
Police said the surgeon might have been
kidnapped and killed and his body was
dumped in Lyari in the police limits of Kalakot.
First, police took the body to Civil Hospital and
then to Mideast Hospital, where officials of the
US Consulate came to identity the dead man.
The body was returned to Civil Hospital after it
was established that the dead man was not
Daniel Pearl, the South Asia correspondent of
The Wall Street Journal. The unidentified body
was sent to the Edhi`s morgue for
identification.
----
#430 Posted by Rdesikan on February 5, 2002 5:52:12 pm
Re Harimau 428
Wasn`t Padmasambhava, the monk who took buddhism to Tibet and beyond from the south, and that too, a golt.
Wasn`t Padmasambhava, the monk who took buddhism to Tibet and beyond from the south, and that too, a golt.
#429 Posted by scout on February 5, 2002 5:52:12 pm
saminashah #430, ``I again reiterate that the Indian and Hindu interactors on Chowk have been generally quite pleasant, unlike certain Muslim Pakistani interactors.``
In all fairness, that`s not completely true. There are idiots on both sides. I wouldn`t call harimau and suxena`s posts generally ``pleasant.``
And what about that nutcase called `audio-video-radio` and his evil twin `pyar-kiye`ja`... There are many more like him, some more articulate in their vile posts.
Can`t blame one group and not the other.
In all fairness, that`s not completely true. There are idiots on both sides. I wouldn`t call harimau and suxena`s posts generally ``pleasant.``
And what about that nutcase called `audio-video-radio` and his evil twin `pyar-kiye`ja`... There are many more like him, some more articulate in their vile posts.
Can`t blame one group and not the other.
#428 Posted by nanjil nesan on February 5, 2002 5:52:12 pm
harimu #428
It is not just the presence of jains, the jains were responsible for the development of various regional languages and contrigbuted grealty to Tamil, kannada and Marathi literature.
Ancient tamil poetry including kural, akananuru are all attributed to jain monks. I uderstand that this jain contribution has been receiving lot of acadmic attention lately.
It is not just the presence of jains, the jains were responsible for the development of various regional languages and contrigbuted grealty to Tamil, kannada and Marathi literature.
Ancient tamil poetry including kural, akananuru are all attributed to jain monks. I uderstand that this jain contribution has been receiving lot of acadmic attention lately.
#427 Posted by hamzadafaqui on February 5, 2002 5:52:12 pm
The islam & muslim haters derive their succour from the backing of the United Satans.It is important to provide support,comfort,and guidance to such kind by exposing their master & benefactor......for what it truly is.
Or can they see the Truth only if ``the Goraas are saying it?``
Bhoora-goraa Slaves!Reclaim your brains---souls will follow.
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[Emperor`s Clothes]
CANADIAN TV AIRS EMPEROR`S CLOTHES `GUILTY FOR 9-11` EVIDENCE!
by John Flaherty
[Posted 5 February 2001]
For the first time material from Emperor`s Clothes series `GUILTY FOR 9-11` has appeared on a network TV show.
The program was ``The Great Deception``. (1) It aired Jan. 28 on the Insight Mediafile at Vision TV, a network with 2 million distinct viewers a week. Vision programs are seen across Canada and can reach from 100 to 150,000 people.
Hosted by Barrie Zwicker, the program used research and material from `GUILTY FOR 9-11, Section 1`, the `Update to Section 1, and `Section 2` or `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (1a)
After watching the program, Emperor`s Clothes Editor Chris Black contacted Barrie Zwicker to congratulate him for taking this brave step.
Mr. Zwicker wrote back:
[Letter begins here]
Dear Christopher Black:
What a joyful surprise to receive your e-mail.
Amidst the avalanche of e-mail I`m trying to cope with, I want to respond immediately to yours.
I discovered www.emperors-clothes.com I don`t know how long, maybe well over a year, ago. I learned to trust it. I have been educated and nurtured by it. And increasingly, inspired.
So for me to receive your e-mail was a complete and genuine and gratifying surprise. I do not consider myself to be in your league as to investigative journalism.
I was suspicious about the 9/11 thing from the outset. For me to be the first, apparently, to ask these questions on air is ridiculous. Big media should have done it already.
[Regarding the information on Andrews Air Force base] really, there must be thousands of people who have first- or second-hand knowledge of complicity. Just take the number of people who live on Andrews AFB who know their interceptors stayed put until too late. I don`t think they can keep the lid on this for much longer.
Thank you, Christopher, Israel and the rest, for your wonderful work all along.
Gotta run. I hope to be in touch again. In peace and networking for light.
Barrie Zwicker,
A producer and host
The MediaFile
[LETTER ENDS HERE]
Here`s the transcript of the part of the TV show based on Emperor`s Clothes research:
[START EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT] (2)
``For large scheduled aircraft, tracked throughout on radar, to depart extravagantly from their flight paths, would trigger numerous calls to the military, especially after two have hit the World Trade Centre and now one is speeding toward Washington, D.C.
``It flies over the White House, turns sharply and heads toward the Pentagon. Everyone - and I mean everyone - now knows these planes are very bad news. It`s been reported on all TV networks for more than half an hour that this is a terrorist attack.
``Now, Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It`s home to Air Force One, the President`s plane. It`s home base for two combat-ready squadrons of jet interceptors mandated to ensure the safety of the U.S. capital. Andrews is only 12 miles from the White House. (3)
``On September 11th the squadrons there were: The 121st Fighter Squadron of the 113th Fighter Wing, equipped with F-16s The 321st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron of the 49th Marine Air Group, Detachment A, equipped F/A-18s (4)
``This information was on the website of the base on September 11th. On September 12th, Andrews chose to update its website. I find it odd that after the update there`s no mention of the F-16 and F-18 fighters. The base becomes, according to the website, home to a transport squadron only. (5)
``Yet at 6:30 the evening of September 11th NBC Nightly News, along with many outlets, reported:
```It was after the attack on the Pentagon that the Air Force then decided to scramble F-16s out of the DC National Guard Andrews Air Force Base to fly ... a protective cover over Washington, D.C.` (5a)
``Throughout the northeastern United States are many air bases. But that morning no interceptors respond in a timely fashion to the highest alert situation. This includes the Andrews squadrons which have the longest lead time and are 12 miles from the White House.
``Whatever the explanation for the huge failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the ``Incompetence Theory.`` Incompetence usually earns reprimands.
``This causes me to ask - and other media need to ask - if there were `stand down` orders.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
Elsewhere in the show, Mr. Zwicker talked about the Payne Stewart tragedy. As you may recall, Mr. Stewart`s small business jet ceased to respond to Air Traffic Controllers. The plane continued flying on autopilot.
Here is how Mr. Zwicker describes what happened:
``9:19 a.m.: the flight departs 9:24: The Learjet`s pilot responds to an instruction from air traffic control 9:33: The controller radios another instruction. No response from the pilot. For 4 1/2 minutes the controller tries to establish contact. 9:38: Having failed, the controller calls in the military. Note that he did not seek, nor did he require, the approval of the President of the United States, or indeed anyone. It`s standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs. 9:54 - 16 minutes later -- the F-16 reaches the Learjet at 46,000 feet and conducts a visual inspection. Total elapsed time: 21 minutes.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
There appears to be an error here. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report on the Payne Stewart tragedy (6) does not state when the military was contacted. Other reports indicate that it took half an hour for the FAA to notify the military. (7)
Several sources state that planes from Tyndal Air Force Base were the first ones sent to intercept the failing jet. (8) But the Tyndal planes don`t even figure in the NTSB report. (It also appears that the NTSB report does not state when the military was notified.)
Moreover, the NTSB switches from Eastern Time to Central Time in mid-report. Barrie Zwicker reported a lapse of 16 minutes from the time Stewart`s plane stopped responding to radio communication to the time interceptors actually reached the Lear Jet. But given the switch from Eastern to Central Time in the NTSB report, this apparently took over an hour. Again, this is a bit murky; it is possible that planes from the Tyndal Air Force base were dispatched and then recalled, and this is just not mentioned in the NTSB report.
Emperor`s Clothes made a similar mistake in `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (9) In the initial post, we stated that when Stewart`s plane went off course, the FAA `immediately` contacted the military. It`s fine to make undocumented statements in general argument, but in a Summary of Evidence one needs to document matters of time as much as possible. Since it is difficult to be sure of the exact timing of events in the Payne Stewart case, we have cut out the word `immediately.`
In any case, the question of how quickly the FAA contacted the Military about the Payne Stewart jet is not worth a lot of research time. Regarding 9-11, the important thing is that the Payne Stewart case shows, that contrary to Vice President Cheney`s assertions on MEET THE PRESS, intercepting planes does not means shooting them down. And as Barrie Zwicker pointed out, it does not require presidential approval to intercept a plane, again contrary to Mr. Cheney. These are the key points.
The question of how long it took the military to respond has to be put in context. This was a small business jet plane flying on autopilot towards a low-population area. It was not a hijacked jumbo jet, one of four airliners hijacked on 9-11, of which two had already crashed into the biggest buildings in New York. And it was not the third hijacked airliner, which turned around in Ohio and was flying back to Washington, DC.
Clearly on 9-11 the FAA went on emergency footing. Vice President Cheney says that after the first airliner hit the World Trade Center, the FAA had open lines to the Secret Service. Newsday reports that by 9:06 the FAA had ordered the entire air corridor from Cleveland to Washington, DC shut down. That is, the FAA shut down the route which, we are told, American Flight 77 took heading back to the Pentagon. (10)
It is one thing if the FAA or the military was slow responding to a small business jet on autopilot flying over unpopulated areas, and it is another thing for those in charge of Andrews Air Force Base not to scramble fighter jets when there was an obvious deadly threat to key US military and government installations, not to mention that Flight 77 was heading for an urban area inhabited by several million souls.
-- John Flaherty
Further Reading:
(1) `The Great Deception`
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/Deception.htm
(1a) The sections of `GUILTY FOR 9-11` aired on Canadian TV:
* Section 1: `Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted?`
[Posted 14 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
* Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 Section 1:
[Posted 18 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
* Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(2) `Great Deception` Transcript
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/mediafile_Jan28.htm
(3) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#b
(4) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#k
(5) `Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 - Section 1`
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
(5a) `NBC Nightly News,` ``Attack on America,`` (6:30 PM ET) 11 September 2001, ``Tuesday President Bush returns to White House on Marine One,`` Anchor: Tom Brokaw, Jim Miklaszewski reporting.
See transcript at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nbc911cover.htm
(6) NTSB Report
Accident No.: DCA00MA005
Operator or Flight Number: Sunjet Aviation
Aircraft and Registration: Learjet Model 35, N47BA
Location: Aberdeen, South Dakota
Date: October 25, 1999
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aab0001.htm
(7) AP Chronology on Payne Stewart Crash http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/stewart/stewfs13.htm
(8) http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/plane102599.html
(9) * Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(10) `Newsday` 23 September 2001, ``Air Attack on Pentagon Indicates Weaknesses`` by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig Gordon
Web version (does not link direct to part of article with reference to closing of air corridor) :
http://www.newsday.com/ny-uspent232380681sep23.story
Backup with direct link to reference to closing of air corridor is at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd923.htm#a
`Map & Timetable for American Airlines Flight 77`
[Posted 8 December 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/maptime.htm
`Map of Andrews Air Force Base`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/andrewsmap.htm
Frequently Asked Questions on 9-11
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm
Includes: `FAQ #1 - Nobody was prepared for 9-11` and
`FAQ #2 - Planes did scramble on 9-11. They just arrived late.`
`Reader Says Emperor`s Clothes Wrong on bin Laden, 9-11`
A very interesting debate.
[Posted 28 September 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/wrong.htm
Or can they see the Truth only if ``the Goraas are saying it?``
Bhoora-goraa Slaves!Reclaim your brains---souls will follow.
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[Emperor`s Clothes]
CANADIAN TV AIRS EMPEROR`S CLOTHES `GUILTY FOR 9-11` EVIDENCE!
by John Flaherty
[Posted 5 February 2001]
For the first time material from Emperor`s Clothes series `GUILTY FOR 9-11` has appeared on a network TV show.
The program was ``The Great Deception``. (1) It aired Jan. 28 on the Insight Mediafile at Vision TV, a network with 2 million distinct viewers a week. Vision programs are seen across Canada and can reach from 100 to 150,000 people.
Hosted by Barrie Zwicker, the program used research and material from `GUILTY FOR 9-11, Section 1`, the `Update to Section 1, and `Section 2` or `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (1a)
After watching the program, Emperor`s Clothes Editor Chris Black contacted Barrie Zwicker to congratulate him for taking this brave step.
Mr. Zwicker wrote back:
[Letter begins here]
Dear Christopher Black:
What a joyful surprise to receive your e-mail.
Amidst the avalanche of e-mail I`m trying to cope with, I want to respond immediately to yours.
I discovered www.emperors-clothes.com I don`t know how long, maybe well over a year, ago. I learned to trust it. I have been educated and nurtured by it. And increasingly, inspired.
So for me to receive your e-mail was a complete and genuine and gratifying surprise. I do not consider myself to be in your league as to investigative journalism.
I was suspicious about the 9/11 thing from the outset. For me to be the first, apparently, to ask these questions on air is ridiculous. Big media should have done it already.
[Regarding the information on Andrews Air Force base] really, there must be thousands of people who have first- or second-hand knowledge of complicity. Just take the number of people who live on Andrews AFB who know their interceptors stayed put until too late. I don`t think they can keep the lid on this for much longer.
Thank you, Christopher, Israel and the rest, for your wonderful work all along.
Gotta run. I hope to be in touch again. In peace and networking for light.
Barrie Zwicker,
A producer and host
The MediaFile
[LETTER ENDS HERE]
Here`s the transcript of the part of the TV show based on Emperor`s Clothes research:
[START EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT] (2)
``For large scheduled aircraft, tracked throughout on radar, to depart extravagantly from their flight paths, would trigger numerous calls to the military, especially after two have hit the World Trade Centre and now one is speeding toward Washington, D.C.
``It flies over the White House, turns sharply and heads toward the Pentagon. Everyone - and I mean everyone - now knows these planes are very bad news. It`s been reported on all TV networks for more than half an hour that this is a terrorist attack.
``Now, Andrews Air Force Base is a huge installation. It`s home to Air Force One, the President`s plane. It`s home base for two combat-ready squadrons of jet interceptors mandated to ensure the safety of the U.S. capital. Andrews is only 12 miles from the White House. (3)
``On September 11th the squadrons there were: The 121st Fighter Squadron of the 113th Fighter Wing, equipped with F-16s The 321st Marine Fighter Attack Squadron of the 49th Marine Air Group, Detachment A, equipped F/A-18s (4)
``This information was on the website of the base on September 11th. On September 12th, Andrews chose to update its website. I find it odd that after the update there`s no mention of the F-16 and F-18 fighters. The base becomes, according to the website, home to a transport squadron only. (5)
``Yet at 6:30 the evening of September 11th NBC Nightly News, along with many outlets, reported:
```It was after the attack on the Pentagon that the Air Force then decided to scramble F-16s out of the DC National Guard Andrews Air Force Base to fly ... a protective cover over Washington, D.C.` (5a)
``Throughout the northeastern United States are many air bases. But that morning no interceptors respond in a timely fashion to the highest alert situation. This includes the Andrews squadrons which have the longest lead time and are 12 miles from the White House.
``Whatever the explanation for the huge failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the ``Incompetence Theory.`` Incompetence usually earns reprimands.
``This causes me to ask - and other media need to ask - if there were `stand down` orders.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
Elsewhere in the show, Mr. Zwicker talked about the Payne Stewart tragedy. As you may recall, Mr. Stewart`s small business jet ceased to respond to Air Traffic Controllers. The plane continued flying on autopilot.
Here is how Mr. Zwicker describes what happened:
``9:19 a.m.: the flight departs 9:24: The Learjet`s pilot responds to an instruction from air traffic control 9:33: The controller radios another instruction. No response from the pilot. For 4 1/2 minutes the controller tries to establish contact. 9:38: Having failed, the controller calls in the military. Note that he did not seek, nor did he require, the approval of the President of the United States, or indeed anyone. It`s standard procedure, followed routinely, to call in the Air Force when radio contact with a commercial passenger jet is lost, or the plane departs from its flight path, or anything along those lines occurs. 9:54 - 16 minutes later -- the F-16 reaches the Learjet at 46,000 feet and conducts a visual inspection. Total elapsed time: 21 minutes.``
[END EXCERPT FROM `GREAT DECEPTION` TRANSCRIPT]
There appears to be an error here. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report on the Payne Stewart tragedy (6) does not state when the military was contacted. Other reports indicate that it took half an hour for the FAA to notify the military. (7)
Several sources state that planes from Tyndal Air Force Base were the first ones sent to intercept the failing jet. (8) But the Tyndal planes don`t even figure in the NTSB report. (It also appears that the NTSB report does not state when the military was notified.)
Moreover, the NTSB switches from Eastern Time to Central Time in mid-report. Barrie Zwicker reported a lapse of 16 minutes from the time Stewart`s plane stopped responding to radio communication to the time interceptors actually reached the Lear Jet. But given the switch from Eastern to Central Time in the NTSB report, this apparently took over an hour. Again, this is a bit murky; it is possible that planes from the Tyndal Air Force base were dispatched and then recalled, and this is just not mentioned in the NTSB report.
Emperor`s Clothes made a similar mistake in `Cheney`s Cover Story.` (9) In the initial post, we stated that when Stewart`s plane went off course, the FAA `immediately` contacted the military. It`s fine to make undocumented statements in general argument, but in a Summary of Evidence one needs to document matters of time as much as possible. Since it is difficult to be sure of the exact timing of events in the Payne Stewart case, we have cut out the word `immediately.`
In any case, the question of how quickly the FAA contacted the Military about the Payne Stewart jet is not worth a lot of research time. Regarding 9-11, the important thing is that the Payne Stewart case shows, that contrary to Vice President Cheney`s assertions on MEET THE PRESS, intercepting planes does not means shooting them down. And as Barrie Zwicker pointed out, it does not require presidential approval to intercept a plane, again contrary to Mr. Cheney. These are the key points.
The question of how long it took the military to respond has to be put in context. This was a small business jet plane flying on autopilot towards a low-population area. It was not a hijacked jumbo jet, one of four airliners hijacked on 9-11, of which two had already crashed into the biggest buildings in New York. And it was not the third hijacked airliner, which turned around in Ohio and was flying back to Washington, DC.
Clearly on 9-11 the FAA went on emergency footing. Vice President Cheney says that after the first airliner hit the World Trade Center, the FAA had open lines to the Secret Service. Newsday reports that by 9:06 the FAA had ordered the entire air corridor from Cleveland to Washington, DC shut down. That is, the FAA shut down the route which, we are told, American Flight 77 took heading back to the Pentagon. (10)
It is one thing if the FAA or the military was slow responding to a small business jet on autopilot flying over unpopulated areas, and it is another thing for those in charge of Andrews Air Force Base not to scramble fighter jets when there was an obvious deadly threat to key US military and government installations, not to mention that Flight 77 was heading for an urban area inhabited by several million souls.
-- John Flaherty
Further Reading:
(1) `The Great Deception`
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/Deception.htm
(1a) The sections of `GUILTY FOR 9-11` aired on Canadian TV:
* Section 1: `Why Were None of the Hijacked Planes Intercepted?`
[Posted 14 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
* Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 Section 1:
[Posted 18 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
* Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(2) `Great Deception` Transcript
http://www.visiontv.ca/programs/insight/mediafile_Jan28.htm
(3) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#b
(4) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm#k
(5) `Update to GUILTY FOR 9-11 - Section 1`
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indictupdate.htm
(5a) `NBC Nightly News,` ``Attack on America,`` (6:30 PM ET) 11 September 2001, ``Tuesday President Bush returns to White House on Marine One,`` Anchor: Tom Brokaw, Jim Miklaszewski reporting.
See transcript at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nbc911cover.htm
(6) NTSB Report
Accident No.: DCA00MA005
Operator or Flight Number: Sunjet Aviation
Aircraft and Registration: Learjet Model 35, N47BA
Location: Aberdeen, South Dakota
Date: October 25, 1999
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aab0001.htm
(7) AP Chronology on Payne Stewart Crash http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/stewart/stewfs13.htm
(8) http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/plane102599.html
(9) * Section 2: `Mr. Cheney`s Cover Story`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-2.htm
(10) `Newsday` 23 September 2001, ``Air Attack on Pentagon Indicates Weaknesses`` by Sylvia Adcock, Brian Donovan and Craig Gordon
Web version (does not link direct to part of article with reference to closing of air corridor) :
http://www.newsday.com/ny-uspent232380681sep23.story
Backup with direct link to reference to closing of air corridor is at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/9-11backups/nd923.htm#a
`Map & Timetable for American Airlines Flight 77`
[Posted 8 December 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/maptime.htm
`Map of Andrews Air Force Base`
[Posted 20 November 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/andrewsmap.htm
Frequently Asked Questions on 9-11
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/faq.htm
Includes: `FAQ #1 - Nobody was prepared for 9-11` and
`FAQ #2 - Planes did scramble on 9-11. They just arrived late.`
`Reader Says Emperor`s Clothes Wrong on bin Laden, 9-11`
A very interesting debate.
[Posted 28 September 2001]
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/wrong.htm
#426 Posted by Urstruly on February 5, 2002 3:23:06 pm
Saminashah
I think you have won the argument. There is nothing left for me to say.
I think you have won the argument. There is nothing left for me to say.
#425 Posted by saminashah on February 5, 2002 1:29:17 pm
Well its come to this....
Urstruly: Mr. Porkchop
Zafar: Mr. Aadha Hindu (although, how is that an insult?)
Saminasha: Oreo/Kanjar Feminazi
Sadna: Transvestite(?)
Hydra: 12 head, Kim, Hamzad Afaqui, the usual
Ali/Stuka: Twin brothers; siamese?
Rdesi: Redskin
Please feel free to supply any names I`ve missed...this is getting funny
Urstruly: Mr. Porkchop
Zafar: Mr. Aadha Hindu (although, how is that an insult?)
Saminasha: Oreo/Kanjar Feminazi
Sadna: Transvestite(?)
Hydra: 12 head, Kim, Hamzad Afaqui, the usual
Ali/Stuka: Twin brothers; siamese?
Rdesi: Redskin
Please feel free to supply any names I`ve missed...this is getting funny
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