An Insight Into the Way Shiv Sena Functions

Actually, in my previous post, ``Paki Muslims`` should be replaced by

`` Paki Muslims who are Mohajirs of UP and descendants of Bhangis, and whose Grandfathers was given a boot up the Arse by Punjabi Hindus, and whose families are regularly slapped around by Punjabi Pak Rangers on the streets of Karachi, and who love to loiter around Chowk making obnoxious comments to prove their non existent manhood, and whose Chowk handles are inspired by lousy Hindi pictures starring Govinda and directed by David Dhawan such as Anari #1, Coolie #1 etc``

Reading the posts of my democratic, secular and progressives Hindu brethren -- against the Hindu Talibani vermins like Shive Sena, RSS, Bajrang dal and that scum of the earth VHP -- fills my heart with pride and joy.

What my father fought for was not in vain.

hasan

``Shiv Sena is the true representative of Hindustani people and Thackray is the best leader Hindus ever had.``

This statement, made by a Paki Muslim, should be publicised among all Indian Muslims as a true representation of the love and affection Paki Muslims have for Indian Muslims. This statement is living proof that a Paki Muslim is happiest when innocent non Paki Muslims are slaughtered. I wonder why Paki Muslims were so unhappy when the throats of their own kind were being slit in Afghanistan?

I talk to the Bombayites here, and they by and large support Thackeray. The ususal refrain is that Thackeray is evil but it is a necessary evil required to counter the Muslim fundamentalists who are a greater evil. Even otherwise rational and educated people (Bombayites) tend to think of Tackeray as some sort of savior of the city against an Islamic goonda onslaught, which to be honest, I don`t understand.

Shiv Sena may have supporters etc outside Bombay, but the political influence is negligible. In Maharashtra, the sugar belt area of Manmad etc is heavily Congress dominated, with the BJP having made recent gains. Similar story in Vidarbha, Konkan belt etc. The only area outside Bombay where Shiv Sena presence exists is Nasik, Shirdi etc etc, which are close to Bombay.

Outside Maharastra, I don`t think Shiv Sena has a single MP, though their slogan (Garv sey kaho hum Hindu Hain) can now occaisionally be seen uo north as well.

Plenty of grist for the mill coming up -- Sant (baba) Valenteen`s day is fast approaching --- time for the Thakeray brigade to start giving us moral lectures on right and wrong.

semipreciousme - ``will his arrest cause massive insurrection?…``

yes unfortunately it will be another reason for very violent communal clashes. Almost everything is nowadays!!

It is absolutely true that the educated masses support them. It is common knowledge (now - but chilling nonetheless) that during elections - the party members actually go around marking houses based on the religion of the owners/occupants - and distribute flyers - showing why the hindus MUST vote for the BJP in the upcoming elections. These are only left at houses occupied by Hindus and not by any other community.

aicha

MastRam:

“We might want to believe that Shiv Sena`s support base comprises only of `lumpen proletariat` but the fact remains that Shiv Sena has considerable support amongst middle class maharashtrians in Bombay”

….hmmm….i guess that does make it harder…but you have to tackle these extremists by the gonads…a lot of nuisance value but mostly hot air and false bravado more than anything else…. ….just look at qazi & co….

the stupidity, or shall i say a pathetic reach for parity, of some pakistanis continues to amaze me...of what relevance is thackeray to pakistan?...what has he done in pakistan?..NOTHING...or are you people just looking for someone to equate with your retards who launch attacks in other countries? (from yousef ramzi in new york to 100s in india to taliban-buddies in afghnaistan)...

thackeray cannot be equated with islamic terrorists from pakistan and the middle-east...thackeray is a criminal who should be tried for crimes in india...his crimes are committed in india and against indians...he is not an international terrorist...

good to see a nambiar contribution after quite a while. and it doesn`t disappoint. very interesting insight into the way these kind of people operate, though there were a few hindi words i didn`t understand at all :(

shandana

re Akash #22

``Thackrey doesn`t have any support base outside Maharashtra,Bombay to be precise. And that too amongst illiterate and fanatical people.``

This is not entirely correct. I have known a number of educated and otherwise rational people who support Shiv Sena (and by extension, Thackrey) in Bombay. People like Pramod Nawalkar, Sudhir Joshi, Suresh Prabhu or even Pritish Nandy don`t exactly fit the mould of illiterate and fanatic. We might want to believe that Shiv Sena`s support base comprises only of `lumpen proletariat` but the fact remains that Shiv Sena has considerable support amongst middle class maharashtrians in Bombay.

Akash:

``And that too amongst illiterate and fanatical people.``

Ignorance is bliss! I wish it was so but Thakreys power base is in middle and lower middle class Marathi speaking people of Mumbai. They are typically blue-collar or lower white collar workers and very definitely not illiterates!!!

wholly-precious-you

Actually BJP leaders may not be as impotent as we think. Vajpayee has refused squarely to let VHP construct temple when the matter is in court. A public interest litigation has also been put in the Supreme Court to keep Thackrey`s men from harassing teens on Valentine`s day. Victory to lovebirds. I must congratulate Vajpayee and his team for keeping the secular fabric of the country intact in their rule of 3 years.

wholly-precious-you

``can anyone tell me what bal thackery’s power base is like now?….despite being a thug par excellence, this idiot’s still roaming the streets….what’s the police scared of?...will his arrest cause massive insurrection``

Thackrey doesn`t have any support base outside Maharashtra, Bombay to be precise. And that too amongst illiterate and fanatical people. There is one thing scary about him. His loyal supporters are fanatical in nature. They may do anything, yes ``anything``, if he is arrested. He has a big nuisance value. Call it our impotence or whatever you wish, nobody dares to bell this thug. He is like a political mafia who has grown just too powerful to be undone easily.

Hopefully, if this dang democracy thing works, as it does in its own strange ways, time and again, the sena will receive a second kick in their rear ends.

Remember, they got booted out of the state govt. because the voters valued results over hatred and ideology. this will happen again in the next national elections when the voters will have to decide. Right now, there are three horrible choices--the stupid sena, Power-hungry Pawar and the congress cementheads. May the least of the evils win!

The only reason the incompetent cartoonist`s current capers is the thin-ice majority the coalition in power has. They have to look the other way at his moronic threats in order to survive. [do read Rushdie`s The Moor`s Last Sigh where he has fun with the dude].

dost-mittar #16
``BTW I had difficulty believing that Vajpayee threatened Joshi with ouster if he didn`t arrest the shiv sainiks; he refused to move even against Jayalalitha after she humiliated his own Minister.``

dost-mittar, just to put the record straight, Vajpayee stood up to Jayalalitha when she was a constituent in his government. He refused to dismiss the Karunanidhi government in TN as she demanded and refused to get the corruption cases dismissed, so she withdrew her support, his government fell and midterm elections were called.(To give a point of reference in time, it was in the period between her toppling the government and the holding of midterm elections that the Kargil conflict took place)

….can anyone tell me what bal thackery’s power base is like now?….despite being a thug par excellence, this idiot’s still roaming the streets….what’s the police scared of?...will his arrest cause massive insurrection?…