Lessons From the Pearl Murder

Reply #: 6 Ras Siddiqui from The Empty Vessels Board.

You said ````Think Global Act Local``.

I cherish these words. If there wasn`t a response on these before, didn`t mean I didn`t hear.

Rgds and Thank you my friend.

Harimau

``You people believe that it is illiteracy that is the problem in Pakistan. No; the mindset that created Pakistan is the problem in Pakistan. The mindset that says the average person will casually drop money in a collection box for jihad in Kashmir. The mindset that calls a gun-toting terrorist an average everyday person. The mindset that allows madrassahs where hate is taught to flourish whereas the government runs ghost schools.

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These are truly wise words. Illiterate people may not be able to speak English or chaste Hindi but they have very keen sense of human instincts. You simply can not fool them easily, much as you would like to believe. The problem is jihadi mindset carefully nurtured in Pakistan and not illiteracy.

#159, sigalph235

Sometimes, justice US style, like locking up permanently does more harm to religious fanatics than Sharia.

These fanatics love the sharia treatment. So, in that sense, doing the opposite is better.

For instance, there was an article about the prisoners in GB where the prison guards also happen to be American serviceWOMEN. Some of them are quoted as saying, that the prisoners who were at one time giving orders against women, can`t take it from americans,specially, american women.

To show obedience to american women, ``yes, maam`` is too much for them.

That is what you want to dish out to these lunatic fringe types.

YLH,

the indians are not howing glee at the recent murder. But are infact saying we told you so. There is big difference. Now that you are finding it irksome, shows that you agree with what they have been saying, and feel hard done by yourself that you did not heed it.

Having said that here is a snippet for you, your comment on this piece would provide us with some valuable insight........(don`t discard it as Indian propaganda...what they have been saying for sometime has turned out to be true....so relax before that typing hand(s) type away

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The investigation into the storming of the Parliament complex on December 13 has thrown up some starling facts, which besides being damaging to Pakistan, establish a clear link with the 1993 Mumbai blasts, sources told rediff.com.

The hand-grenades used by terrorists in the Parliament attack and some of those seized in Mumbai in 1993, before they could be planted, seem to have a common origin - an ordnance factory in Wah cantonment, near Atok, about 40 kilometres from Rawalpindi in Pakistan, investigators told rediff.com

The fresh evidence yet again points to the involvement of Pakistan and its agencies, especially the Inter Service Intelligence, in the attack on Parliament, they said.

An analysis of the residue collected after the attack on the Parliament complex indicated that Arges HG 72 hand grenades had been used by the terrorists.

The inscription on the explosives said `046/84`, indicating that they were from a lot of 4,60,000 pieces manufactured in 1984, investigators claimed.

The fuses of the grenades had the inscription `U/P`, which stands for Ulbrichts/Pakistan, they said.

Pakistan had purchased machines and tools to manufacture the Arges HG 72 grenades from Ulbrichts, an Austrian company, during 1969-72.

The inscription was ingrained in the mould when the machines were sold to Pakistan, they said.

Later, the Austrian company had refused to upgrade the facilities following differences with the Pakistani government. A case between the two is still pending before the Karachi high court.

Though the Austrian company, owned by Rudenscheid Assmann, stopped producing the HG 72 model, Pakistan continued to produce them for a long time.

After detailed investigations, sleuths have concluded that the grenades were manufactured at the Pakistan ordnance factory in Wah cantonment.

What is striking about the discovery is the similarities with the Mumbai blasts.

During the 1993 Mumbai blasts, police had seized some explosives before they could be planted. They were of a similar make.

Following this, investigators concluded that the grenades used in both cases - 1993 Mumbai blasts and the December 13 attack on Parliament - were manufactured in the same factory.

Even while providing details of Tiger Memon`s family and that of Dawood Ibrahim to secure their extradition, India had told Pakistan about the Arges grenades.

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Marianne Pearl sounds like a really strong woman.

From BBC

Pearl widow backs hunt for killers



Mariane Pearl is expecting the couple`s first baby

Just days after the release of a video showing the execution of US journalist Daniel Pearl, his widow has called on the Pakistani people and police to find her husband`s killers.

In a BBC interview, Mariane Pearl praised the Pakistani police and said they had ``done an amazing job with the limited resources they have``.

``The amount of courage and individual commitment and support they have shown me has been amazing. That has really made a big difference for me,`` she said.

Mrs Pearl said ``I really want to say to the people of Pakistan and to the law enforcement agencies to go and find the people who killed Danny.``

Daniel Pearl was kidnapped in Karachi on the 23 of January - from that moment, his wife said, she had felt the support of the Pakistani police.

`Never defeated`

``Throughout this whole four weeks I really felt that everybody was with me so much, trusting me, just walking together to one same goal.``

``The best support I had was seeing them work so hard,`` she said.

Mrs Pearl said that in spite of what her husband must have suffered at the hands of the kidnappers, she was sure he had never been defeated.

Mrs Pearl - who is expecting the couple`s first baby - said she would stay in Pakistan for a time to attend different memorial services for Daniel Pearl.

``I want to celebrate him as a human being and also his courage.``

Re Hariharan/sigalph

The flip side to extraditing shaikh is that the chap may spill the beans that can prove embarassing to the ISI, and it makes sense for the Pakistanis to keep him. But Musharraf is in quite a corner. It is also very possible that shaikh can be bumped off a la Lee Harvey Oswald by an ISI Ruby and we will have another conspiracy for the ages.

Got to agree with Sigalph in palming off the scum to the NA. In addition to being kosher from an islamic perspective [couldn`t resist that usage here], it is extremely cost-effective. It probably costs thousands to house a fanatic and why throw good money on bad stuff?

BTW, did you see the op ed in today`s print ed of the WSJ where a case is made to ditch the NA? hmmm.

scout #140,

I understand what you`re saying... that whatever may be going wrong with Pakistan we can`t give up on it or turn against it. Its my home and there are many more things that I love about it, than I dislike and want to change. Also, the government has taken some 180 degree turns and that they need time to fully implement them and ensure that everyone in the administration and govt. agencies are on the same page. With that said we should also question everything thats going on. For the longest time we have been caught unaware or are in disagreement with government policies (at least I have), and its been kept secret because it`s for a sacred cow (Kashmir).

Call me naive, but I really don`t care how bad the west is or how bad India is... what matters to me is Pakistan. The fact that our government supported criminals who conducted random acts of violence really gets me. I mean thats what the Army is for - really. Giving authority and power to criminals off the street to do what they please was just plain stupid.... but like HamidM I`ll admit that maybe it was a good idea at first because it would be limited in scope and target Indian military, as opposed to civilians. Anyway, this is now accepted as a failed strategy, that actually screwed Pakistan more than India IMO. Karma anyone ?

To make a long story short, YES we should support Pakistan, but we should also question the government and ensure what they say is being done is really being done and that not all of us toe the line like sheep. Transparency, perestroika, openness will be empowering for us.

Protecting Pakistan on chowk is not for me... there are all shades of idiots (myself included) and I`ll go crazy trying to counter each one. I`m just hear to listen and give my true opinion.

BTW, saw Monsoon wedding last night... really enjoyed it.

ylh #157

I am sorry I have no interest in responding to your gorilla-like chest thumping and self promotion. Your posts speak for themselves, as well as your incessant need to call others ``liars``. Your post on ``proving`` that Nehru was a genocidal war criminal was most impressive in illuminating the recesses of your troubled mind.

Don`t forget to take your medication today.

...BJP`s graceful acceptance of their defeat in elections reaffirms, yet again, that democracy in india is alive and well...vote for whom you may, but accept the results of the election...remarkable considering what happens in india`s neighbors...

Two Pieces of news from The Jang Group:


Marianne Pearl thanks Pakistani people
(Updated at 1730 PST)

KARACHI: Window of the slain American journalist Denial Pearl says she has one day to tell the child that the people who killed his father did not achieved their goals.

In an interview with CNN in a relax mood Marianne Pearl has said that her ideals have not been compromised by what was happened. She said that she has thanked the Pakistani people for their support and also thanked the investigators for their investigation work and she also said however the death of Denial Pearl is a wakeup call to allow government to take action.

She claimed that kidnappers killed Deny but I know his faith his mission and his conviction have not been defeated, and one day his son will know that his father was a hero.

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4 dead at mosque shooting in Rawalpindi
(Updated at 1930 PST)

ISLAMABAD: Gunmen sprayed gunfire Tuesday in a mosque in Rawalpindi, killing at least four and injuring seven, said a report citing police sources.


(This is religion? Need one say more here?)

Ras

The ignoble defeat of -- the ``mask`` -- of that HATE PEDDLER Parivar -- called the BJP -- in three states -- fairly and squarely -- fills my old heart with immense joy and a great sense of satisfaction.

Democracy and secularism are --ALIVE, WELL and ``KICKING`` (and what a kicking!) -- in merey ``bekuss watan gareeb watan benawa watan``.

The Hindu version of the Taliban -- has finally met its -- ELECTORAL DAISY CUTTERS -- in beautiful India -- thank goodness.

hasan

Hobbyty #132 you write ``Infiltration by organizations bent on creating terror and conditions for terror and by Indian security services AND certain acts of reorganization in Pakistan. `` But how do you know that? That is the question I had for you in my last post. If there was proof in Pearl`s case of Indian involvement, rest assured that it would have been presented to the world press by Pakistan. If Qazi Husain had any basis to make accusations, he would have presented the evidence along with his accusations. Please be just. That is the true Islamic way. Not conspiracy theories and wild accusations without any basis and against all logic.

From the Time article on Musharaff (and specially cut and pasted to cause Jay to have kittens): ``The world is counting on Musharraf to help steer South and Central Asia from local chaos to regional security, from the brink of Armageddon to Pax Pakistana, and from fundamentalist fervor to secular moderation. ``

If this helps soothe outraged feelings, I may add that regardless of what the world is counting on Musharaff to do, Pakistanis are counting on him to ``merely`` to get Pakistan out of the mess that Paki generals have made by sleeping in the same bed as the mullahs (metaphorically speaking, although it could be literally true for rogue generals like Hamid Gul).

scout #139 you write ``Veeresh ji, are you going to sit back and take that ``. You know that Veeresh has promised to show me the hot spots of Delhi next time I am there, and your post is part of a plot to wreck my chances. I know who you are Scout, or should I say Lt. Colonel Scout of the Covert Operations Section of ISI!! Ha! Ha!

re hariharan 137

``Frankly, justice is better served if Omar and the Saeed(JeM) types are sent to US to face charges. It is easier on Musharraf and ABV.``

Oh no! These people need to face the sweet Shariah justice they have been propagating so long. In the US, they`ll be assumed innocent, given high-priced media hungry lawyers, paraded as underdogs, and end up getting 15 years or so. They deserve the Islamic justice they so proclaim when in the driver`s seat. Let the chicken come home to roost.

I never quite understood the humanitarianism of the US in rescuing the dregs who`re at Guantanamo Bay right now: sobs should`ve been turned over to the NA immediately so that all this hullaboo about Geneva Conventions, prison conditions, and Bill of Rights would never have arisen. THey would have gotten their native, Islamic Sharia treatment for what they did to Uzbeks, Tajiks, and Afghans at large. SAme for the filthy Pakistani and Arab mercenaries. To give them even semi Constitutional protection is strange, when they canbe handed over to their own folk. LEt these sobs be turned over cold to the tender mercies of the late Ahmad Shah Masoud`s JAmat-e-Islaami. Then we will see how much Sharia is in these Islam-loving, US-bashing, neo-Muslims who preach their version of hadith perched in the comforts of the UK and USA.

Reply Tahmed # 107

“scout #94 you quote veeresh #46 when he writes ``Maybe it is our fault that we are not white?``…What veeresh really meant was ``Maybe it is our fault that we are not right?`` (the ``right`` bacame ``white`` for the same reason that Elmer Fudd talks…”

Thank God I read your post. For some reason I thought it said it was my fault that I was not “bright”, aur main javaab dene thaiyaar thha…thank you so much for saving me from embarrassment.