Lessons From the Pearl Murder

Seems like Pakistan is the globaly, no...universal epicenter of HATE! The Pakistani national anthem should more appropriately go something like this...KILL THE ZIONIST JEWS, KILL THE MONKEY WORSHIPPING HINDUS, KILL, KILL, KILL!

Mr ``maybe its our fault we`re not white:`` Why would u wanna be white and where were u when chowk was challenged to find a force more ``destructive then the white race.`` (Painting ur face???)

BTW: I think it should be mandatory for everyone to reveal their ages. After reading some of this, I can`t possibly believe that some of u are grown adults.

And what the flukk does this have to do with ``India vs Pakistan`` ???

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Dear Ahmed Madani . . . I salute your style and your ground level views. What do you have to say about the American forces in Karachi, isn`t your hotel doing better because of that?

Dear Ras Siddiqui . . . thank you for your kind words, but the problem as on date is that the US needs a very compliant quick-reaction force kind of theka force, which Pakistan got, without the attendant checks and counter-balances of a democracy, which India got. So I don`t see any reduction of Armed Forces expenses on either side, sad but true.

The one thing that could help matters, however, could be a free television media in Pakistan. Is there any chance of that, soon?

Chickens have come home to roost.

Let us face it, Muslim Terrorists who beheaded Mr. Pearl were created by Pakistanis (let us not blame only ISI) and were loved by most Pakistanis as long they were killing Hindus in India.

Your main man Omar who had admitted to killing of tourists in India was running around in Pakistan spreading ‘Jihad. Alas, Omar did his Jehadi ‘duty’ in Karachi, which has made Americans mad. When the US gets mad, Pakistan shits in her salwar.

Last 55-year history has shown that Pakistanis are incapable of creating a tolerant, viable modern state. Only hope for Pakistan is American ‘guidance’ and dollars.

ALL some of u see is ``right and wrong.``

There is a thing called wisdom. DEPTH shows u that one issue can be looked at from many different angles. Why did it happen at that time, what should be said about it, when should it be said? (Maybe if you all spent less time on the elipsis and more time thinking...)

There are times when silence is better then speaking (more times then ud think). U don`t go to a man`s funeral and mention all the bad things he`s done. Who cares ur ``right`` and they`re ``wrong.`` TIME and PLACE!!!

Secondly, u don`t mention an opinion if 1 billion people are saying the same damn thing. You CREATE opinions when u write them - come original, show some signs of thought and intelligence. And u only hurt ur own issues by bringing them up at a time of national mourning.

Ref nasah #: 44

[Why Pakistan is so dangerous for journalists

HAMID MIR

...For the first time, the international media is aware of the conditions under which Pearl worked.

But the Pakistani Press has been working under these conditions for the last 55 years.

General Ayub Khan introduced the Press and Publications Ordinance 1963 for twisting the arm of independent journalists.

This law is still used by General Pervez Musharraf.

Some weeks back, an anti-terrorist law was introduced whereby any journalist can be declared a terrorist.

The blackest day for Pakistani press was May 13, 1978. Four journalists were ordered to be flogged by military courts.

....Nusrat Javeed of The News was beaten up by intelligence agencies, Zafar Abbas of the BBC and Shaheen Shaheen Sehbai of Dawn were attacked and Kamran Khan of Washington Post stabbed.

Najam Sethi of The Friday Times was kidnapped by intelligence agencies.

But Syed Salahudin, the editor of Takbeer paid the heaviest price — he was killed by the MQM in Karachi.

Pakistan is one of the most difficult places for a journalist to work in.]<

Hamid Mir is SO wrong.

Ask our own Farzana Versey. She will tell you volumes about how she, as a Muslim in Hindu India, has suffered in her professional life as a journalist.

After reading her story, I cried buckets. Despite being accused of Hindu bigotry.

Her story is so moving.

In fact, that is why I have no tears to shed for Pakistani journalists.

Ref Romair #: 32

[I, thus do not agree with individuals who state that we should hold our head in shame]

No. Hold your head high. Wear a T-shirt with the Pakistani flag on it and proudly proclaim to the world you are a Pakistani.

[Any human being, even the poorest individual in a village is kidnapped and killed, deserves a search like this one.]

What about searching for the hijackers who slit the throat of Rupen Katyal? Is that an act of terror or is that ``freedom fighting``?

[The normal everyday person who goes out to fight in freedom struggles is a very different animal from the politico-religious leaders who control some of the organizations he may belong to.]

Excuuuuuse me. The normal everyday person gets up in the morning, showers and shaves, puts on clean clothes and goes to work. Normal everyday persons, if they are laborers, get up in the morning, have a cup of gruel if their wives have any leftovers from the previous night`s meager meal, and go in search of back-breaking work in the hot sun of the subcontinent. Normal everyday persons do not oil their Kalashnikovs, fire practice rounds in the air, and go out on a motorcycle to shoot at Shias in masjids. There is nothing normal or everyday about a person from Karachi or Peshawar who goes to fight in Chechnya or Kashmir.

[They have lost the battle, and should be thinking about a safe retreat, rather than an aggressive attack.]

Why? So that they can strike later?

[As far as Pakistanis are concerned, I think they did everything they could in this incidence. This was an act of a few individuals. It could happen anywhere in the world, and it does happen all over the world. We should feel sorry that such culprits do exist in Pakistan, but we should feel confident that we openly did, with the full participation of interanational agencies, everything we could to catch the culprits.]

Pakistan did diddly squat for years. In India, the guy who killed Graham Staines was not only apprehended, he has now confessed and he will face justice in a court of law. What is this BS on US newschannels about Sheikh Omar Saeed`s confession not being enough to convict him in Daniel Pearl`s murder because it was not made under oath? This is pure BS being floated by Pak authorities so that they can let Omar Saeed go. How about some Islamic justice for Omar Saeed, like killing his child, like his cohorts are doing to Hindu children in Kashmir?

[My condolences to the family of Daniel Pearl. He became an innocent victim, in a power struggle. My condolences to all other innocent victims of this national and international power struggle, as well.]

Yeah, we know. Muslims are oppressed in Chechnya, Palestine, Kashmir, blah blah blah. So somebody has to die.

Please give me your mailing address. I will send you a dozen hankies for you to wipe your crocodile tears.

Ref Romair #: 30

[The biggest threat to Pakistan is not India, religious extremists, poverty, lack of education, etc. It is people like Benazir and her self-serving agendas of turning Pakistan into her personal hunting ground.]

You are wrong, wrong, WRONG.

The biggest threat to Pakistan IS India. Because, every single day India continues to exist as a functioning democracy, no matter how badly it is run and no matter how uneven its social justice is, is a resounding rebuke to Pakistan`s political system and its Army.

As to Pakistan being the personal hunting ground of Benazir, it has been the personal hunting ground of every carpetbagger from India, starting with Jinnah, Liaqat Ali Khan, etc. It was CREATED to be the personal hunting ground of the few. That is why you will never eliminate your landed aristocracy. The final irony is that a Delhi-born Muslim soldier, in the grand tradition of Islamic dynasties the world over, has seized control -- get this through your thick heads, Pakistanis -- not of India but Pakistan!

Your forefathers asked for a country so that you can be free from Hindu oppression. Did anybody look at the history of Islamic thuggery and realize what they needed was freedom from ISLAMIC oppression? That is what you needed.

What do you think happened under the Taliban in Afghanistan? What would have been the Pakistani reaction if identical rules were applied to Indian Muslims by the Government of India? Would you have applauded India or would you have cursed out India? Would your ``freedom fighters`` have stopped infiltrating into Kashmir, if Kashmir had been turned into an Afghanistan, with no medical care for women, every woman covered head to toe in a burqa, and every girl-child denied an education?

Does the average Mexican, Venezuelan, Argentine, German, Chinese or Congolese care about what is happening in Chechnya or Palestine? Why the hell does your black Islamic heart bleed for Palestine? Is it because of martydom promised by the mullahs as you all claim or is it simply murderous rage at your impotence in Pakistani civil society? If it is martyrdom, how come not one of these ``freedom fighters`` is the son of a Pak Army general officer or politician? Don`t they want to go to heaven? Don`t they want their 72 houris?

Maulana Azhar and Sheikh Omar Saeed were serving time in an Indian prison, convicted of their crimes after an open trial in a court of law. What was Musharraf doing when they showed up in Pakistan? What message do you send your people when kidnappers and murderers not just wander freely but preach to crowds in Pakistan?

Aircraft hijacking is a crime under all treaties entered into by the nations of the world. Even Cuba extradites hijackers to the US. How come the hijackers of the Indian Airlines plane are free in Pakistan? Is it not a crime if it is against India? Then why should rape, murder or arson against Shias, Ahmadis, Ismailis, Parsis, Christians or Hindus be a crime? Then you wonder what happened to civil society in Pakistan.

YLH is wrong if he thinks that secularism is the cure for Pakistan. No, the cure is elimination of religion. Stalin did that in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Kighizstan and all those raving lunatics populating those khanates were civilized for the first time in history, The minute the heavy hand of Stalinism was lifted, those lunatics have reverted to their lunacy. What the world needs is the equivalent of Spanish conquistadores who will wipe out all Arabic books, all traces of Islamic ``culture`` and ``civilization``, like they did with the Aztecs and Incas in Central and South America. Then there is a possibility of eliminating the ``Satanic Verses`` from the history of mankind. Even Stalin wasn`t as complete as the 16th century Spaniards. That is a pity.

Daniel Pearl`s murder is a very sad affair but Muslims in Chechnya, Palestine, Kashmir, blah blah blah... Aren`t you ashamed of the same old crap? When will any one of you condemn a crime without any caveats?

Hang down your head in shame. That is, if you feel any shame at all.

re: ahmed madani # 52

ahmed bhai, that was a pretty good post there. I truly liked it.

Regards

P.S. We kafir Hindus and Shias can take some abuse...don`t worry about that :)

the death of danny pearl has come as a big loss to the entire journalist community. i donot have any words to express my grief to his pregnent wife and unborn child, who thanks to some despots will never know her/his father.

secondly, if the americans want to rid themselves and the world of terrorism, they have to explain to that idiot dubya to stop looking at pakistan as an important ally in this war against terrorism. someone needs to put some sense into that idiot dubya that pakistan in not an ally, but an important place where the state itself breeds and promots terrorisim. until and unless this dubya does not clense pakistan of its beardo fundoos, and nuclear arsenal innocents like danny pearl will continue to get slaughtered.

devkant.

…omar sheikh or sheikh omar or whatever the hell it is he calls himself has just proclaimed that he is now being waited to be handed over to the americans….ha!…doesn’t he just freakin wish that he ends up in a plush cell somewhere in va….hope he rots away in some god-forsaken jail in khi…if the vermin don’t get to him, the runny daal sure as hell will….

Godot # 54 . . . I think we probably do have the economic might . . . the rest of what you say is correct.

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temporal #57
``..I asked him was it proper of delhi to approach such a sensitive subject through newspapers?..``

``..IF new delhi sincerely wanted to strengthen the general’s hand to curb the militant was this media approach useful…given the nature of indo-pak relations…or would a behind the scenes, direct, track II kind of diplomatic approach would have yielded better results?..``

temporal, not to digress, but how do you know India has NOT tried the behind the scenes approach? Its only because the media highlighted the requests this time THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT THEM.

India has not made one request, India had made MULTIPLE requests. If Pakistan were serious about tackling cross-border terrorism, it was given several occasions over the last several years to act. If it had done so, it would be only what Pakistan is expected to do with respect to any country`s requests wrt Interpol red corner notices under multilateral international agreements wrt Interpol notices that Pakistan is signatory to.

http://meadev.nic.in/foreign/evidence-pak.htm

``think my reply left him pondering…``

No I suspect it left him speechless at the disconnectedness from reality of those across the border.

No! I ‘m not cruel doctor sahib!

…it is obvious this gruesome deed has struck a chord with some of us here...please be patient as I put this in perspective…daniel pearl was abducted on jan. 28…omar shaikh surrendered Feb 05…(which agency or apparus did he surrendered to first…who has him in custody since then…when did the americans interrogated him first…will they extradite him eventually...when did our ce/gen/president come to know?) mushy baba flew for the pilgrimage five six days later…subedar haider and his sepoys daily proclaimed in local media that they are on the perpetrator’s tails and will get them to release daniel…and in the same papers later omar shaikh’s grillings were reported daily…(another minor digression: these agencies in pakistan are famous for extra judicial killings and ALSO know how to successfully get a signed confession out of any victim admitting in detail they raped their long dead mother last week)…he admitted giving orders…he did not know where daniel was held…daniel was alive…daniel was probably dead…the newsworthiness of this abduction said a lot too…usually buried in the lower half of main page below the daily tally of cars hijacked/stolen …and later in the innards…while am sure the hourly news bulletins over the radio here and the papers daily were full of news and speculations about daniel’s whereabouts…

…i am fascinated by the perspective displayed by the newspaper folks the world over…yeah…here in the west they value human lives more than we do in south asia…a professor goes berserk and kills tens of students/faculty…he is tried and incarcerated because there is no capital punishment here because we are told human life is valued here…oh yes, I will not talk this time about civilian ‘collateral’ damage…as you think I will…and I know you know!…

…around christmas I was talking with a semi retired indian journalist in the city of the golden temple who was brave or naïve enough (he informed me) to look at bhindrawale in the eye and tell him how wrong he was…he was I think in early seventies…though he appeared much older…as he criticised pervez musharraf for not doing enough to curb cross border terrorism…this was post indian parliament attack and about the time new delhi had released a list of some suspects…think my reply left him pondering…

…given the mercurial relations between the neighbours…I asked him was it proper of delhi to approach such a sensitive subject through newspapers?…(new delhi had invited the ambassadors of some western countries and I think japan and made available some documents relating to the attackers of the dec 13parliament incident…this was well reported in the indian media---BUT---they had not taken the pakistan embassy into confidence…instead the trial by public media!)…

…by that time references had started appearing that finally mushy & company were moving in the direction of restraining and bringing under establishment’s control the multi faceted and wayward islamic ‘tehreeks’ and movements…I asked the senior journalist…IF new delhi sincerely wanted to strengthen the general’s hand to curb the militant was this media approach useful…given the nature of indo-pak relations…or would a behind the scenes, direct, track II kind of diplomatic approach would have yielded better results?…what do you mean?…well, if india is sincere in reducing the cross border terrorism and if pakistan wanted to curb the militants on its own soil as well, would it not benefit and strengthen the general’s hand if instead of advertising its moves all over the media new delhi would ‘assist’ the general in confronting his runaway militant groups?…like baby bhutto supplied that ‘list’ to baba gandhi?…left him pondering over it…

(…think I should organize these ramblings and write another article!…but perhaps not…that may not be completed anytime soon…maybe I should…will decide when this is finished!…yeh uzr-e-gunah nahiN hay doctor sahib…mood’dua unqaa hay apnay aalaam-e-taqrir ka…and brotherm hamidm the cavemen have been conveniently overlooked…so let us not discuss them…godot and sadna…daniel incident primarily highlights the law and order situation in the country…THAT is what has be earnestly tackled..and all of us should chip in zeemax…behram and others…no harm in feeling down and low…but we need greater resolve to prevent such ocurrences…not for foreign journalists but ALSO for innocent civilians in our own backyard…thus my earlier reference to law and order…what more can I add ana?…and here I am ironically hitting the keys…urstruly, sadly…as I mentioned once elsewhere…we desis respect neither the living nor the dead…that attitude has to change…and we should inculcate greater tolerance for the living…and consequently for the dead…again nasah…where life is cheap and values like respect and tolerance I short supply what do you expect?…veeresh…yes, it is all gods/bhagwans fault!…but yaar, about time we do something about it…ahmed…for once I cannot add anything…yes we do appear to be more dead than a rotting carcass in no man’s land…but then we do wince once in a while...so all is not lost perhaps…and ras…I know you do not write solely to get under people’s skin…that would be too shallow a reason;)

…as usual I digress a lot…and ask too many questions…some not too comfortable…does that make me cruel?

..or temporal?



acknowledging the following posts as a catalyst for my attempts to examine the desi penumbra:
Ras Siddiqui #56:[…The feedback that I appreciate most of all is one that tells me that this writing has succeeded in getting under someone`s skin…]
ahmed Madani #48:[…Nothing will come. Nothing changes its sad but true. Every thing you said exists but nothing will happen. We are more dead than dead people. All stuff is talk ok…]
veeresh #46:[…Maybe it is our fault that we are not white?…]
nasah #44: [‘’’Why Pakistan is so dangerous for journalists…]
Urstruly #37:[…The murder of Danial Pearle has only one meaning-the human blood is cheap in this region…]
ana #36:[…Ek: I don`t think Temporal is a cruel man…(thank you ana—t)… He has valid points, which are being seen as unreasonable in our utter disgust for what has happened. I`m sure Temporal in no way meant to say that Daniel Pearl deserved what he got… why does it take the horrific murder of an Amreekan journalist for us, sitting at our computers and in our drawing rooms to discuss just how massively desperate the situation in Pakistan has become…]
Behram B. Atashband #35:[…My heart is broken, and has sunk deep in despair. I am ashamed at what happened to Daniel Pearl in Karachi…]
Sadna #23: [… Daniel Pearl died only because a group of proven and known kidnappers, murderers and hijackers were free in Pakistan to commit their third or fourth or fifth round of repeat crimes, which they had committed outside Pakistan earlier. Whether Pakistanis admit these facts to themselves or not will not make these facts go away…]
nasah #17:[…temporal you`re not a cruel man --but let me say this regarding your post:Uzre gunaah is budtur uz gunaah…]
hamidm #16:[...now here is another prime, and rank, example of what is wrong with the ummah, the bushmen and other nobel savages who refuse to put on trousers and crawl out of their caves
Godot #14:[… Musharraf has the blessing of all Pakistanis to hunt down and remove all the terrorists in Pakistan. He and all decent and caring Pakistanis should not rest till Pakistan is cleansed of this cancer….]
Zeemax #13:[…Like what ?…]