Lessons From the Pearl Murder

re zeemax

``But unless Ariel Sharon hangs, there will be more innocents beheaded.``

Sharon will hang right after we have hung Arafat, Habash, Abu Nidal, Abu Musa, and the rest of the PLO criminals. By the way, of all of these, Sharon is the only democratically elected leader of a Republic.

Pmishra,

Sad to see you exposing your kind so shameless and in such a clear fashion.

1) My post about Nehru was a `taste of your own medicine`, using the same kind of Bizarre and twisted logic that made you actually compare a brute fanatic murderer like Advani to that able and sophisticated constitutionalist whose portrait hangs in the most hallowed hall of the British constitutional tradition, the only Asian as a matter of fact.. do I need to say who I am talking about. In any event, I quoted The Times of London to show the Indian Government`s complicity in Communal massacres in 1947. The Head of that Government was Jawaharlal Nehru. Slobodan Milosovec is a similar cat.

2) You lied out of your teeth by suggesting that I hadn`t countered your post, a false assertion that you continued to repeat atleast 20 times on this board. Is this the best India can produce?

3) I am not sure of what chest thumping you talk of, but it is clear that you lack the moral courage of actually reading the three books I had presented as evidence of scholarly discourse amongst Indians. Instead you have chosen to hide behind one post of mine which you have twisted beyond recognition. And then when I clearly countered your shameless assertions within hours, you proceeded to ignore my posts, and then continuously lie about me.

It is clear that you lack the moral courage, not to mention the intellectual acumen to actually counter my arguments in any field. What more can I expect from a Hindu fundamentalist theocracy? What difference is there between BJP and Congress? Both are Hindu Nationalist, Both are bigoted as is evident in the reasoning of Pmishra, Mahesh G and others... they are all the same. Somehow, somehow they imagine that praising the weakling DaraShakoh will all of a sudden qualify them as a `secular Multiculturalist`.

I am just calling a spade a spade. This masquerade of `secular democracy` of the Hindu theocrats must end.

A Mirror-site for the LOLLYPOP mullahs on CHOWK(``ain`t need no mullah,I`m one myself``).What if he is a Ba Ba Blacksheep,wants to squeeze in every square Farangi peg in the round-round Indo-Paki Inglisyphlised hole.

Laa`naat on the Lollypop mullah----AAAKHH THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO--------@#$%

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suxena #142, ``at least i`ve got a heritage...oh wait, i forgot, you have one too....the camel behinds and sands of arabia``

you seem to be obsessed with camel behinds, this is about the hundredth time you`ve mentioned them. kheriyat? in any case, the sands of arabia are much cleaner than the dung infested areas you came from.

``nevermind that pakistan did not exist so it can`t have a heritage...but you`re really from arabia, which did exist...``

india didn`t really exist till 1947 either. it was a British colony in case you forgot. and before that it was being invaded and captured by scores of different people, not from your ancestry.

disclaimer: this post is meant for rsuxena only, and the insults are for rsuxena only, other nice Indian Chowkies, please ignore it.

Ref Mullah321 #: 181

[Harimau: You write ``You people believe that it is illiteracy that is the problem in Pakistan. No; the mindset that created Pakistan is the problem in Pakistan. ``

Pearl`s widow (who actually would have a reason to hate Pakistan, unlike you) knows better (see my extract below). The Indian people who humiliated the BJP Juggernaut in recent elections by pointing out that for them the issue was economics know better. The Pakistani people (the overwhelming majority of whom in recent polls gave economics their number one concern, and Kashmir a neglibible 4%) know better.]

The difference in mindset would be startling. You won`t get 4% of UPwallahs, with about the same education level as Pakistan as a whole, giving Kashmir as their concern. And 4% of the population of Pakistan is 5.6 million people, and probably triple or quadruple of that if you take into account age distribution among voters. So you may have 20 million Pakistanis believing that Kashmir is the #1 issue. That is the mindset I am talking about but then I am expecting too much comprehension from a mullah.

[Even Musharaff (yes!) who I myself heard a couple of weeks back speaking passionately for two and a half hours on poverty alleviation and law and order and only 15 minutes (and that too in a light-hearted manner) on relations with India knows better.]

How many minutes did Musharraf spend talking with Bush on poverty alleviation and how many minutes on the F-16s? That is more important than how he apportioned time his time in a public relations exercise with admiring Pakistanis. How many minutes did he spend with Bush on getting some sort of funding/food aid for government-run schools and how much time did he spend on covering up ISI`s total complicity in the murder of Pearl? That would be illuminating.

[You and others like you on chowk know only one thing: that you hate Pakistan.]

You are clueless. I have nothing against Pakistan the nation. I have everything against Pakistan the state. Go figure out what I mean before you mouth off again.

[You may be educated brown sahibs who have memorized all the IT circuits, and exchange insults from the comfort of your homes, but you people know nothing about the realities of Pakistan and India and you know nothing about good sense.]

But I do have the sense to recognize that the voters in UP, Uttaranchal, Manipur and Punjab have a right to have their voices heard in a free, fair democratic election. I do have the courage to accept whatever the voters deliver as their verdict. Which is far more than any Pakistani, who has been rooting for a dictator starting with Jinnah and continuing with Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, Zia, and Musharraf, can claim.

Excellent article, particularly the part about Tiger Memon.

http://www.flonnet.com/fl1904/19040200.htm

re:Reply #: 129

Akash,

This is an exciting development. The upper caste stranglehold has been shaken and the power base is ever slowly shifting to the lower castes and muslims in UP (mostly poor). I had, in earlier posts (in another thread)remarked that usually only local issues dominate assembly elections. BJP was wrong in overplaying threat of terrorism and security concerns in these elections. It was as if it was trying to seek some kind of endorsement to its massive military spendings in recent months. The people have spoken. BJP better curtail its jingoism, cut down military expenditure and focus on the ``bread and butter`` issues. Hope they have learnt a lesson.

Sridhar

Arjun_m # 190

I agree.

re:Reply #: 164

RSaxena,

I agree wholeheartedly. Also, how many non-BJP parties are ruling the states right now? My guess is at least 15 out of 29 states. Yet, you do not find BJP trying to topple the govts in these states. This to me is a sign of maturity of Indian democracy.

Sridhar

re:Reply #: 154

pmishra2,

I was filled with joy when i heard BJP has been thrashed. Have they learned any lessons? If not, the whole exercise is a wasted one. May be their spin doctors are going to blame it all on the weather this time! Any way,all this bodes well for democracy in India. Keep these guys under a tight leash.

Sridhar

YLH your thoughts on this (BTW have you gone in purdah or what)

TAhmed I asked who much more gory can it get - I asked too early. Indeed here is what the Nation says (check out quote 3 - no Indian can ever commit such a horrid crime and go scot free. Well it is just kafr blood and that too brown mans blood so I guess pakistanis care not a hoot for it). Such thoughts aside, I do hope Pakistan can make a fresh start. But the start will not be given by the military since it is a part of the problem.

For this the intellectuals, like Prof Ahmed (who is on this board with an alias) should set about reflecting honestly and correcting errors. Reflection is not just learning historical facts, but serious reflections on it and internalising it in a factual manner and not make believe - as is currently done in Pakistan (never land of peter pan and co comes to mind).

Huqqani in the Nation

quote 1

The inability of the country`s law enforcement agencies to solve the mystery of this brutal crime or to arrest all identified suspects is worrisome.

quote 2

Given the fact that Azhar and Sheikh Omar had been released as a result of a terrorist act, neither should have enjoyed the freedom of action that enabled them to organize a new militant movement. Jaish-e-Muhammad drew most of its members from another outfit, Harkatul Mujahideen

quote 3

In the year 2000, I recall reading about a press conference by Harkat in which severed heads allegedly belonging to Indian troops were shown to journalists as proof of a `successful militant operation`.

Ana/Godot #188

nice thoughts...

Re: naya zamana, also reminded me of Iqbal`s shair: dayyar-e-ishq may apna muqaam paida kar, naya zamana, nayee subh-o-shaam paida kar.

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Letter from Pakistan: Danger hits home

harimau: further to the last line of my last post below, here is another dose of realities for people like you (from Indian Express): ``On top of that the party’s aggressive use of national security and terrorism backfired when Mayawati went around barnstorming: ‘‘Terrorism by the administration is worse than the global threat of terrorism.’’ You can go into denial and claim it was anti-incumbency and whatnot. The fact is that ordinary people - whether in India or in Pakistan - dont need chauvinists like you and your kind on chowk. They have real problems to worry about.