Lessons From the Pearl Murder

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harimau #216 Nice try. What you wrote is still there, and trying to make your words mean what they clearly are not wont work. As for your namecalling, doesnt bother me one bit - it just tells me what class of people you grew up with. So you are both irrational AND insulting: Mother India is proud of sons like you.

Ref Mullah321 #: 213

[Now let me figure, per your suggestion: You ``have nothing against Pakistan the nation`` and you also think that there is Pakistan the nation (``any Pakistani``) is opposed to elections and for dictators. Hmmmm......... Yes. I give up. You truly are beyond my comprehension.]

I said ``any Pakistani`` not ``all Pakistanis``. Go and read that sentence again. Or get someone else to parse that sentence for you.

Akash #214

If you bother to read my message you will see that I did not call the BJP a fascist party. I said that ``cunning people may conspire with fascists....``. This is exactly what the BJP has done.

Bal Thackrey is a fascist nazi. His every pore oozes hate for indians of all most all types! The Mahant of Ayodhya is money-grubbing hate monger. Ashok Singhal of the VHP is a fanatic of the worst kind who wants to take ``revenge`` against our muslim minorities.

How would upper-caste hindus feel if dalits wanted to take ``revenge`` by spitting on an upper-caste hindu every morning? This what this moron Ashok Singhal wants to do with our muslim minority. He wants to take some ancient injustice and get some sort of mean-spirited ``compensation``. He wants Hindu culture to become like the Islam of the Taliban. What a disgusting goal! He has repeatedly rejected any appeal to the courts and law and order. He wants the law of the jungle. The b *std has the cheek to say he represents hindus. All he represents is small mindedness, hatred and murder.

All of these people are good friends of the BJP. Can you deny that?

The indian state is under attack from many sources. These include the Pakistani establishment and islamists, it includes the PWG and their commie friends. It also includes Bal Thakrey and the VHP. Until we come to understand this there will be no peace in India. Just babbling about pseudo-seculars etc. etc. does not change that.

harimau #201 You write ``I have nothing against Pakistan the nation. I have everything against Pakistan the state. Go figure out what I mean before you mouth off again.`` Fine. Two paras. later you write ``I do have the courage to accept whatever the voters deliver as their verdict. Which is far more than any Pakistani, who has been rooting for a dictator...``

Now let me figure, per your suggestion: You ``have nothing against Pakistan the nation`` and you also think that there is Pakistan the nation (``any Pakistani``) is opposed to elections and for dictators. Hmmmm......... Yes. I give up. You truly are beyond my comprehension.

pmishra2

``But there is good news: the BJP has been badly beaten in the elections. Cunning people may conspire with fascists to come to power but the indian commitment to democracy will ultimately end their self-defeating behavior. The news that 10%+ of the UP assembly is muslim is also excellent news.

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First of all, BJP is not a fascist party, and it will not become one because you say so. Do the fascists accept defeat so gracefully and step out of power because people do not want them. So stop repeating the rhetoric of commies and Marxists.

Secondly, I want BJP to stay strong, moderate its policies and become a Conservative party of India. India must have two strong national parties for stability and accountability.

Thank you.

re: rsridhar

{{The upper caste stranglehold has been shaken and the power base is ever slowly shifting to the lower castes and muslims in UP (mostly poor). I had, in earlier posts (in another thread)remarked that usually only local issues dominate assembly elections.}}

...it is disgusting to read posts like this...you don`t even realize that in so casually throwing around the words `upper caste` and `lower caste,` you silently accept them...we have been fighting this $hit for years, but when i read posts like this, i realize why it has been so difficult...

furthermore, it is stupid to judge election results by measuring to which socio-economic group `power shifted`....power should be in the hands of the most competent...and power in this election has just shifted from the rich idiot to the poor idiot....wealth, religion, etc. must be irrelevant..the most intelligent must govern...

rsridhar #196:

``Also, how many non-BJP parties are ruling the states right now? My guess is at least 15 out of 29 states. Yet, you do not find BJP trying to topple the govts in these states. This to me is a sign of maturity of Indian democracy.``

Not really, my friend. `Toppling` of state govts under Art 356 requires majority support in both the Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. While the NDA has majority in the Lok Sabha, it does not in the Rajya Sabha. One/two years ago, the Centre tried to dismiss Rabri`s govt in Bihar (due to poor law and order - remember the caste killings), but it died in the Rajya Sabha as the Congress opposed it.

yasser

this interview you posted, rather than seeing it as some kind of perverse victory for us pakistanis, try and look at the amount of heart this woman has...and then pls take the time to look at yourself and all of us here...real and imagined insults cause you, myself and 90 percent of the ppl here to swear, insult and say real nasty things about whole races of people..this womans husband was KILLED...the ppl who did it video taped it...does anyone realize the gravity and ugliness of the situation?..had it been you or me, we would have gone crazy with grief..id have gone on a shooting spree and killed every goddamn pakistani i could have found...never would i have thought about this country or religion without geting vile thoughts in my mind..and then look at this woman talk...we need to learn yasser...our ppl caused her a huge crazy big amount of pain and she talks to the world about our problems and how we need help and how its some ppl doing this and not all of us..cant we (YOU specifically) try and be little bara dil wala and forgiving like this lady? all of us who have ever indulged in fights here at chowk in view of real and imagined insults need to look at ourselves in a mirror and then jump into the toilet and drown

reply scout:

``India didn`t really exist till 1947 either. it was a British colony in case you forgot. and before that it was being invaded and captured by scores of different people, not from your ancestry.``

Is that what they taught you in History or were you out smoking pot when that happened?

Oh...I forgot....attention span ka funda hai. Poor lil thing probably thinks anyone over 30 is OLD, why even bother with ancient history huh?

Pakistanis may love to deny their heritage or ancestry (e.g. YLH denouncing ``all people of Indian origin`` on another board). Please don`t ask me (sure ok, an Indian) to do it. Romila Thapar gives enough grief.

Thanks.

re: spout

{{india didn`t really exist till 1947 either. it

was a British colony in case you forgot.}}

ummm, genius, india existed BEFORE the british ever showed up...india has always existed...go back to elementary school and read your history book...

{{and before that it was being invaded and captured by scores of different people, not from your ancestry.}}

...and we got rid of them without resorting to violence (novel concept for the jehadi culture you come from, isn`t it?)....else right now you might have been picking weeds on some british sahab`s bungalow...

hobbyty #187 I admire the courtesy with which your refer to ``Mr. Omar Shaik``. I would refer to him as a cold-blooded killer. You can tell from his picture in the newspapers his arrogance - the arrogance of a spoilt brat, economically secure, trying to establish himself as some kind of God`s representive on earth. I have seen such arrogance on the face of a couple of other such young men, raised in comfort of the west, with no interest in anything constructive and an ego that dwarfs their intelligence. What these individuals deserve is a good thrashing (in addition to punishment for crimes they may have committed), and to be then put in the shoes of one of the many penniless young men in Pakistan who slave from morning till evening in miserable conditions trying to earn an honest living.

nameless #192 ``no Indian can ever commit such a horrid crime and go scot free. `` I hope you are right.

LET IT BE KNOWN: WE ARE NOT DEFEATED!

Mariane Pearl: `We are not defeated`

Mariane Pearl, the widow of slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, sat down with CNN`s Chris Burns for an interview on Tuesday.

CHRIS BURNS: Mariane, thank you for joining us.

You came to Pakistan in peace. You came here seeking the truth with your husband. You leave Pakistan as a widow after your husband was brutally murdered. What message would you have to the people of Pakistan?

MARIANE PEARL: Well, first of all, I would tell them that my feelings and my affection for this country have not changed because of what happened here. On the contrary, people, the people have shown tremendous support to me. They have shared my sorrow. I know they feel bad, ashamed, sad about what happened.

Also, the people who have been actually around me during all this ordeal in this terrible time have, so the investigators, basically, have been people of heart and of a tremendous professionalism with very, very limited resources, very limited resources, they have shown an unlimited amount of courage, of commitment, individual commitment, as well, to try and find Danny.

That has meant a lot to me and I know that the people like Danny`s family and Danny`s friends have not shared that and it`s even harder, in a way, for them because having been surrounded by such human quality, regardless of whether they are Pakistani or some other nationality, but just human, you know, they were shocked as much as I was. Maybe not as much, but I mean they really shared my suffering and it meant a lot.

So I really want to tell them that and thank them for that, all of them, all of these investigators as well as the anonymous people that have shown their support. And now I also want to tell them to find the people who have killed Danny.

BURNS: And how much hope to you have that they will?

PEARL: Well, honestly, that depends, I think, a lot on how the world responds to it. I was mentioning the lack of resources, as it happens Karachi is at the front line of a battle that it`s leading and it`s fighting on behalf of the rest of the world because this is, this happens to be at the front line for a lot of reasons. There are immediate political and historical reasons. Yes, Pakistan have supported the Taliban before. Yes, there`s been the war in Afghanistan, all this before now. You know, Pakistan is also the natural, like second front, right? So that`s a reality.

There`s also deeper reasons that we all know but more vaguely, right? Lack of education, it`s a major one, absolutely major one, lack of resources, lack of hope, lack of scope for the people. I don`t think that any more we can consider that that`s the problem of Pakistan alone. It`s not anymore. Danny was killed and only this month, 10 other people were killed by terrorists, and they were all Pakistani. So they`re suffering as much as we are, right?

BURNS: So you see that the death of your husband as being a symptom of wider problems, deeper problems in the country?

PEARL: No, no. I see it as being like an alarm for everybody. It means that if people in the world do not realize that they`re not immune against this anymore, then nothing will, we will never fight this war. This is a vast international dangerous network of people. So if we consider it as being the problem in Pakistan, I mean this is completely wrong.

So I think now it is high time that people in the world -- I`m talking about the United States. I`m also talking about Europe and other parts of the world. Governments should take even more responsibility in fighting against terrorism, but also people. At community level, at individual level, ask themselves questions like what do I know about my country`s foreign policy? Is my country fighting terrorism? Am I making efforts to promote dialogue? Am I, you know, am I committed?

BURNS: Which is what you`ve been asking throughout. You`ve been asking for more dialogue.

PEARL: Exactly.

BURNS: You`ve addressed the Pakistanis who have been supportive of you. How do you address the Pakistanis who have sympathies for militant groups as those who killed your husband?

PEARL: I really, you know, don`t, I mean if you talk in terms of Pakistan itself, it`s a very minor group. It`s a very small group. It is not a group, I mean like, you know, I want to emphasize that so much. It is not a group of only extremist Pakistani. It is a vast and international network of terrorists, you know? Wherever there`s misery, they`ll find people. And there`s misery, you know, in a lot of parts of the world.

BURNS: There`s compassion across the world for the ordeal you went through, for the pain, for the grief. There is also, there are also people who have sympathies for militant groups and that is, as you`ve talked about, how there is support in some ways for some of these groups around the world, groups that take advantage of situations, of poverty and so forth.

How do you address both groups of people, those who empathize with you and sympathize with you and those who sympathize with those militants around the world?

PEARL: Well, I`ll tell you what, Danny, he`s, now we`re going to have like, you know, memorial services all over the world for him. There are going to be, you know, cosmopolitan and they`re going to celebrate someone, as you say, who seeks the truth, you know, who had courage.

This in itself says a lot, you know? The goal of terrorism is to input terror in people. If we, I know, and that`s like a personal thing I`ll share with you, but it`s personal conviction, you know, and that`s why I`m sitting here with you, is I know Danny has not been defeated by the people who killed him. His spirit, his faith, his conviction have not been defeated, you know? And I`m extremely proud of him, you know?

The only thing, I`m not going to, I don`t even want to address the people who support, you know, I mean whatever, you know? What I`m saying is that if people do not let terror, you know, get in their heart and they react, you know, and they realize the real nature of the terrorism, then they`ll be defeated. I don`t have a political message for them, you know?

The message I have is for the people. It`s like just, do like Danny. Just don`t be defeated by them.

BURNS: And try to address the underlying problems that bring about these kinds of groups?

PEARL: Exactly. Ask yourself the question.

BURNS: You`re French. Your husband was from California. You`re seven months pregnant now. Where do you go from here? What will you do?

PEARL: Well, you know, the first thing, hold this memorial. I will carry on this message because I think Danny and I are very much alive. We have the same kind of conviction. As I say, we are not defeated and so I will, you know, make sure that his pain and my pain will help, you know, change the world in that sense, you know, at our level.

BURNS: Concretely what do you mean? Where will you do that? How will you do that?

PEARL: I think, you know, again, you know, the key word is dialogue, you know? So I can share my experience. I can, you know, I do like what I`m, you know, inviting other people to do. What am I doing? What do I know? How can I help, you know? So I do that in my own life.

And, of course, I will also, as you say, I`m seven months pregnant and I will give life, give birth to Danny`s son and just go on.

BURNS: And what will you tell your son about what happened to your husband?

PEARL: Well, that depends on, you know, how people -- no, that depends on how people react to that, you know? If I can tell to my son, you know, yes, he was brutally and cowardly murdered but the ultimate objective of these people never reached its goal thanks to him, you know, and what he pass on to me and what he passed on to other people and hopefully other people to other people, then he`s a hero.

BURNS: Thank you, Mariane.

PEARL: Thank you very much.

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