Delhi University Politics

Shashi Tharoor took a lot of innuendo that he got from his amazingly excellent Maloo connections in Delhi, wrote a few funny books which never really made him too famous and now hobnobs with the high & mighty everywhere.

And to think that he, too, was unable to find the time-table in First Year.

Speeds, was that you?

re: anNy #51

...welcome to the atheists club, where there are no silly rituals and where prophets, supreme beings, hell, and heaven are left where they belong - in the comic books...

re: binifer

{Maybe its just you babe}

perhaps...or maybe i keep runing into your friends..

btw, ali2 had a message for you on the other board...i dare not repeat it, lest it `prove` to you that i`m really ali2

re: banjaara

{{Hey Don Juan ! what happened to all the scandinavian blonds and the Venezulan beauties

who are always stalking you or was that all

your fertile imagination ;)}}

a) get a sense of humor

b) don`t mix up cause and effect

RSaxena # 49

[....i guess i always go to the wrong universities, take the wrong classes, join the wrong firms, and get the wrong seat on airplanes...because invariably there are only mean, nerdy girls everywhere i go...]

Hey Don Juan ! what happened to all the scandinavian blonds and the Venezulan beauties

who are always stalking you or was that all

your fertile imagination ;)

Don`t be upset.Someday the train WILL be late ;)

Take care.

Dear Yasser . . . did your Pakistani Nationalist character get totally submerged by, say, exposure and involvement with the USofA? Or at chowk.com? Why do you even think that Indians or others (on this website or elswhere) wish to consume your Nationalism?

Please, if you don`t mind, grant everybody atleast as much intelligence as you.

regards/Veeresh

ps: You & I and just a very few of the others use our real names here . . . isn`t that a beginning?

Saxxy thing

(....i guess i always go to the wrong universities, take the wrong classes, join the wrong firms, and get the wrong seat on airplanes...because invariably there are only mean, nerdy girls everywhere i go...)

Maybe its just you babe

Stuka

This was well written and funny by turn. Boston is the Hub of the Universe? Strange that, lived there for 2 years and didn`t know.

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Sameersaab

you were lucky in being able to run off to the u.s as you turned non muslim...iv just now started doubting all iv been reading, saying praying and doing these last 20 years and have no place to talk about the doubts i feel..i know if i tell my ppl not to sacrafice all those poor goats because its unfair and just not nice ill be treated to a little lecture on abraham and ismail and if i persist, everyone will be terribly upset...insisting that the muslims world was as messed as it was because of no reason but their own idiocies caused so many brows furoing in the house, its downright scary..breaking out of conditioning is not easy sameersaab but after that, questioning all the conditioning is even more sad..because absolutely almost everything one has learnt all along is a lot of (i dont know the word here..farce?) once you strip away the sacredness and religiosness (if thats a word)

you say youre from an ultra conservative family, so am i...ultra ultra conservative...u think it is a result of excessive faith that does this? its strange because just as soon a si started thinkng at 13, 14 i took to my parents ways with a vengeance..namaz, roza, sawaab, mustahib, haraam- the whole nine yards...or is it a result of my age? a few more friends are going through the same doubts..a lot of things are making no sense..almost all of us are in our late teens or then early 20`s..everuone is very happy with where we are, what we have and know what we want to do but this basic thing, our faith is causing anxiety..especially myself since im this smartass who took to islam with great force a few years ago, insisting nobody around me drink, wear besharam clothes and started carrying a dupatta on my head because it appeared the right thing to do...got carried away with the niceness, symbolism of it all..now im stuck..what difference does it make if my best friend chooses to get a beer while i sip coke if he isnt harming anyone? whats wrong with my friends wearing clothes that bare her arms and shows little cleavage if she feels comfy that way?.if she`s too tired at the end of a 12 hour day working upon one sculpture after the other and wants to sleep and misses namaaz, why will she go to hell? its not fair...WHY explain to me is music haraam..what bad can enjoying oneself and being transported to another world (nasha if u will)do if im not harming anybody? you have no idea how difficult it is even typing out this stuff...ill probably go to hell for this..is it because of something else?

i wnat to know why only some of us are experiencing this...backgrounds? that couldnt be because we come from varied places...also, a lot of those around us from same backgrounds are not bothered..same age bracket..why are we plagued with all this when a great many are not bothered? can u pls try explaining keeping in mind your nonmuslimness..i would really appreciate an answer

also sameersaab..your brothers in jamamatiness threatened me just today, less than 2 hours back..`khayaal rakhiyae warna phir tayaar rahiyae`..excuse me pls, if i have the sh!t beat out of them

Semipreciousme:

Stuka:

``Why would you not find it surprising that Sameer was a Jamaati?``

...smt along the lines of what prem was trying to say....

``BTW, the fruit (bananas) were for us. They are the cheapest fruit, and the guys collecting money for us wanted to save as much as possible for their own Chinese food and Kingfisher Beer.``

...whew....and here you had me worried that the policewallahs could be bought of so cheaply....:)

re: stuka

{{They don`t go to Delhi University though. Those girls go to Leftist Bastions such as Jawaharlal Nehru Univ, where elections issues are as vague as Support for Sandinistas in Nicaragua etc etc.}}

....i guess i always go to the wrong universities, take the wrong classes, join the wrong firms, and get the wrong seat on airplanes...because invariably there are only mean, nerdy girls everywhere i go...

In my previous post, I described a brief account of my contributions to the shredding of the fabric of Pakistani society. I carefully omitted wevere events leading to permanent scars on the face of our society. In addition to myself, who and what should I blame for young and tender minds drowning in the cesspool filled with filth, cognition, revelation and delusions but with rosy outlook.

Growing up in an ultraconservative family where religion not only cut into basic necessities so that family can kill a fat goat every year and throw intestine and stomach out on the street for wandering dogs and cats but also provided an excuse for the failures to provide decent living by making right priorities. While we suffered, our neighbors cheered and respected us for being an honest, Islamic, sharif, imandaar family - in effect telling us to keep this sh1t up. So we did. We started killing two goats instead of one following a promotion of my father. Fortunately his dream of going to Mecca came after his retirement and I killed his dream by flatly refusing to contribute.

Jamaat-e-Islami and its student organ Islami Jamiaat-e-Tuliba are very well organized parties and represent lot more students than their percent of vote in the general elections. JI was a lackey of King Faisal (and his father) of Saudi Arabia. Saudis financial help was most instrumental for JI to follow its doctrine of Islami nizam. Saudis helped promote Maudoodi as great Islamic philosopher, helped him set up printing press, weekly and monthly magazines and pamphlets. JI strength was among educated people and students. All this plus being an immigrant from India made him quite popular in Karachi. Most of the students addicted to JI philosophy remained Islamists in practical life as army officers, police officers, Pakistan civil service officials etc. Personally I had been treated favorably many times by these old Jamaatias. They are loyal to Pakistan but their loyalty is secondary to political Islam.

IJT provided me the other non-ritualistic part of Islam which I did not experience being Muslim at family level, as I stated earlier it was mostly ritualistic adherence. Now I was well on my to completing my experience with Islam - helping run JI election campaign, carrying pistol and occasionally firing it in the air with Aaal-o-Akbar shouts, taking part in anti- ZA Bhutto movement and celebrating his overthrow, collecting money for Afghan Jihad to making lists of Ahmedis in the university.

It was chemistry (science) plus having the wholesome experience of Islam for 20+ years that I started having doubts about the existance of god. So I started taking interest in reading literature, poetry, few beers and lady friends.

It was not easy to get rid of addiction to Islam but I managed successfully in the USA finally cleansing my mind of this sh1t for the rest of my life. I still believe that Islam is the fifth best religion out of the five I know little bit about, Buddhism being the best!

And then one day another person at chowk came up with another Islamic philosopher named Sorush. Heck no! I do not want to waste another twenty years trying to figure out what really Islam is. Loaded with ``de-revelatant and de-cognitant``, I will not dare to go even near these allerganes; the revelations and congnition. I know it inside out and have lived with it.

While in Pakistan, they are still advertizing: ``We need few good men, ready to take a bite of the rotten fish and destined to be called Islamists``.

YleH

``Well the day we the Pakistani Nationalists...``

Man, you must save a lot on bus fare, you are so full of hot air that you can commute by just floating about :-)

YLH

What the hell are you talking about?? You only want Pakistani articles on Chowk?

I had a friend who went to St Stephen`s around this time frame but now I that I think about it , I dont recall hearing any Mandal stories from her. So what`s the deal the Stephanians stay aloof from the riff-raff :-)

``Arrey, Kirodi Mall had become respectable by the late 80s with cutoffs rivalling Hansraj, and a shade below Hindu.``

Really ? I graduated DU in `89 and don`t remember that ! Don`t blush, I was so depressed by my Math classmates that I promtly flunked everything in 1st year and ended up in ``BA Pass Course`` DUs version of Liberal Arts - where at least the crowd was not as bad :-)