Buddha of Rumtek

Reply t:

``---well...try posting them here or the speaker’s corner…btw…did you know chowk is programmed to automatically reject some pseudonyms…hope you are not submitting under ‘salman rushdie’;)…``

Hmmmm....that might explain a lot :(((

``essence of the story is diminished…but that is my dilemma!)...language is a beautiful heavenly gift...and if we possess it why not use it to the max to express and communicate our thoughts?...``

The fine arts at their elitest. Some people are not able to digest the fact that ALL words are useful and that at times, nuthin is better then saying ``FUKK.`` However, since we`re all robots, we must assimilate into our euro culture and since they enjoy censoring what is real, we will too. It has to do with someone not knowing the problem, and only attacking its symptom. Being fake. Havin the arts reflect something that is not real, suppressing reality. And one can find himself very lonely around the fake.

Prem: Im really fascinated by this side convo ur having with the family man. I suppose he thinks he`s using some sort of magical code word system that no one else can understand but u. Dont tell him it`s actually a l-a-n-g-u-a-g-e.

Ud have to question the i-n-t-e-l-l-i-g-e-n-c-e of someone who asks for the english translation of vivek...

Prem #54:

...call me courteous...stuck up...old fashioned...conservative...does not bother me one whit...but one thing i do not tolerate easily is the almost casual use of foul/abusive language or what most people consider profanities...(exceptions excepted: i confess to have resorted to using language in a short story that is far worse than ever seen on chowk…and for the same reason am reluctant to submit it…have played around...changed the offending words …deleted them..substituted them…but in the context of story they fit …and without them the essence of the story is diminished…but that is my dilemma!)...language is a beautiful heavenly gift...and if we possess it why not use it to the max to express and communicate our thoughts?...

…in the context of vivek…the air is rarer at the mountain top...and it can be awfully lonely…

rgds,

t

re: DRUMZ # 52, 53

True. That darn vivek can be a heavy curse. Life`s far simpler and richer without it.

re: t # 51

kyon bade bhai? sparkling intelligence is NEVER a problem.

Or, is it? May be when I have my own kids, I will know :)

U want vivik? Channel this: George bush is callin zimbabwe`s election ``flawed.``

Prem: Vivik is not a tool, its a loaded term which means basically bullsh1t to most. It shouldnt even be described, for it can`t be defined. Vivik in many ways is a curse. How the fukk is penetrating life supposed to be of some benefit to anyone who aint on a mountain? Once one shows herself to be ready, this stuff stops being theoretical and once that happens, the craziest sh1t happens to u. And it keeps happening over and over and gets more and more intense and u can`t even describe it to anyone cuz thats some false ego sh1t. If ur mind is not balanced, neutral and stable, even hearing the word `vivik` will drive u insane. ``some recognise the light but they cant handle the glare.``

Then u gotta come up here and make yaself look a fool for three pages arguing some bullsh1t topic that u dont even care about-just to sound human. To penetrate and see the spiritual is not something which should be advised. It is a major responsibility. Things like ``no opinions`` used to sound deep. Now its just real. It means u cant argue anything with any intensity cuz u can argue for the other side too (Hagel: thesis/antithesis/ synthesis). Then there`s no real point in saying anything. U have no zest, everything bounces off u, and u cant speak to it with anyone cuz simple minded fools will just tell u how great u are.

If u wan`t tools, do the following. Whenever u are about to do anything, stop. think about WHY ur doing it. If its for the false ego, stop. That`s it, everything will be shown to u then. Vivik is true and false, lol.

AnNy #43:

:)

...sorry...missed your call...later...


Prem #46:

…thanks for the elaboration…but am still on the look out for an english word…as for the other comments…kyuN bhayee…kya death wish hay?…


soundmeister #48:

[…This ``elitist`` school of poetry is screw1ng my self-esteem. Chowk doesn`t seem interested in any of my prolific output, for better or for verse (err...maybe if I stopped using puns like that I have a better chance?) What`s wrong with simple Inglees I say!..]
---well...try posting them here or the speaker’s corner…btw…did you know chowk is programmed to automatically reject some pseudonyms…hope you are not submitting under ‘salman rushdie’;)…and speaking of my favourite ghatan…well…another time…enjoyed them….

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Samina #50:

…well…what can i say.wasn’t referring to cyberlynching on chowk…khair…

rgds and lve,

t

temporal,

Very very funny...

Suheir Hammad`s poem was written in English; I haven`t read any of her work that uses Arabic-and I wouldn`t understand it if it did...she`s considered a young poet and quite lovely, I might add

Cyberlynching of poets on Chowk? Of course it happens. HN`s poem doesn`t dare breathe a single moment/word that could be perceived as ``sexy`` and therefore godless/without meaning/western/``inglisyphillitic`` (can you imagine the mindset that coins that word?). Possibly, HN is Indian and is left alone. Farzana is right-I`ve seen some appalling responses to some of the poems posed in the past year-mainly a psychological case study gold mine of dismissal when a writer writes ``tongue`` or whatever...on the other hand, religious poetry on Chowk seems to be able to posted without being jeered at by the poetic minded folk...what does that tell you?

Another boring Friday afternoon.... someone sent an e-mail titled The Indian.... posting it here with some editing.... and for God`s sake enjoy it without cribbing :))

One U.S. Desi is a software guy

Two U.S. Desis is a lunch group at work

Three U.S. Desis is a bitching session about the U.S.

Four U.S. Desis is four software guys, heating tamarind rice in the office

microwave, cooked that morning, in their shared one bedroom apartment and bitching about life in the U.S.

One US Paki is a South Asian

Two US Pakis is a convenience store

Three US Pakis is a Kashmir-rights group

Four US Pakis is Chowk

One Hindu is a pseudo-secularist

Two Hindus is the minority population of Pakistan

Three Hindus is a “Pakistan hai hai” cheerleading squad

Four Hindus is a caste system

One Delhiite is a Delhiite too many

Two Delhiites is a road accident

Three Delhiites is a political lobby

Four Delhiites is the decibel level of a Concorde taking off

One Kashmiri is a carpet salesman

Two Kashmiris is a carpet factory

Three Kashmiris is a freedom-fighting organisation

Four Kashmiris is a shoot-at-sight order

One Bong is a poet

Two Bongs is a difference of opinion

Three Bongs is a Satyajit Ray fan club

Four Bongs is a flash strike

One Tam-Brahm is a priest at the Vardarajaperumal temple

Two Tam-Brahms is a maths tuition class

Three Tam-Brahms is a queue outside the U.S consulate at 4 a.m.

Four Tam-Brahms is a Thyagaraja music festival in Santa Clara

One Sardar is a Lucky

Two Sardars is an impromptu bhangra jig

Three Sardars is an Akali Dal faction

Four Sardars is an army regiment

One Bihari is a jailbird

Two Biharis is a booth-capturing squad

Three Biharis is a caste killing

Four Biharis is the entire literate population of Patna

One Mallu is a coconut stall

Two Mallus is a boat race

Three Mallus is a Gulf job racket

Four Mallus is an oil slick

One UP bhaiyya is a milkman

Two UP bhaiyyas is a MTNL lineman team

Three UP bhaiyyas is a fist-fight in the UP assembly

Four UP bhaiyyas is a mosque-destruction squad

One Gujju is a share-broker in a Bombay train

Two Gujjus is a rummy game in a Bombay train

Three Gujjus is a Rs. 10-crore sprocket manufacturing business

Four Gujjus is an all-night dandia-raas session

And my (original) favourite.... (slightly contextual)

One Ghaati is a Shakha Pramukh

Two Ghaatis is a PuLa Deshpande fanclub

Three Ghaatis is a Ganeshotsav Mandal

Four Ghaatis is 4/11th of the Indian cricket team

Cheers!<

DRUMZ,

This ``elitist`` school of poetry is screw1ng my self-esteem. Chowk doesn`t seem interested in any of my prolific output, for better or for verse (err...maybe if I stopped using puns like that I have a better chance?) What`s wrong with simple Inglees I say!

anNy

..... yaar London mein cybercafe nahin hai kya? Is ummah ke chakkar mein naa girnaa. Some Palestinian boy may like you and take you off on his camel to be his third wife. Then what of your admirers here? :((

H

how the travelogues coming along? Frankly given a choice, between t`s stuff and yours, I prefer yours. Yeah yeah that`s a compliment :)))

Cheers,

N.

DRUMZ #45, ``Im also inviting zafar cuz he`s wierd and hobby who`s wierder. ``

WEIRD, for God`s sakes get the spelling right or don`t say it

re: MastRam # 36, temporal # 41

``Vivek`` is a fascinating word. It is related to such variety of words as Veda, Vidya, Vision, Vista, and Wisdom.

As MastRam pointed out, it refers to human ability to ``see,`` to understand,`` ``to discern beneath the surface.``

In philosophical terms, human beings are encouraged to deploy chetana (mindfulness, being alive and alert) and vivek in order to penetrate the patina of every-day ignornace that keeps us from seeing through the surface of things. This ignorance is maya that arises from our samskara (time, history, totality of experiences) and guna (peculiar traits, characteristics, abilities).

Alright..nuff said!

The takeaway for today is that vivek is among the only tools we have for proactively and independently knowing the world.

P.S. Reading the family tete-e-tete has been such a pleasure. Hope my family turns out along similar lines :)

Anny: You`re just in time for somebody`s funeral/cremation/carcass being eatin by vultures

etc... Guess who had a 3 page debate with me about poetry (somethin i know NUFFIN about, LOL!!). Damn, the kid is just BAD.

And its truly sad (read: VERY funny) to see em get turned down by everyone. I suggest u coconuts reconsider, for the legend himself shall be crashin dem doors. And with DRUMZ follows some sick azz beats (good music) and the best ganja on the planet.

Im also inviting zafar cuz he`s wierd and hobby who`s wierder.

And who can forget the BEST dad in the whole wide world, HAMIDM! (If u were younger and medical science was older, id ask u to have my child.

re t #34:

Agree with your elitist description. Bambino is all yours for now. As for the summer, the significant other has more exotic locales in mind and you know there is conceivable comeback after those dreadful words ``But its on sale``.......

later

-sac

hallo everyone! pls tell me ure missing me as much as i am yall :-P

t!!!!

london is FREEZING...and theyre keeping us so busy we dont have time to shower much less shop..details latez, last night we had the palestinian students who have come from 7 diff routes from their country, have an unofficial meeting in the hotel we are all at...20 nationalities, all ages- it was mindlowing...went on for 6 hours..lotsa ppl screaming, lots crying, some even jeering..this whole thing is getting real intense..will call tonight inshaAllah