An Equal Reaction
Anoop Bhat March 16, 2002
#246 Posted by ylh on March 24, 2002 8:06:16 pm
A film about a man who deserves to be represented...
http://www.welt.de/daten/2001/12/20/1220kfi303452.htx
DIE WELT: Wie den pakistanischen Staatsgründer Mohammed Ali Jinnah?
Lee: Der wichtigste Film, den ich je gedreht und die beste Vorstellung, die ich je gegeben habe.
DIE WELT: Aber keiner hat ``Jinnah`` hier gesehen, obwohl er bereits vier Jahre fertig ist.
Lee: Sie fürchten sich. Dieser Mann war eine unglaubliche Persönlichkeit. Sehr stark, völlig unbestechlich, ein brillanter Kopf. Wenn er zu Hunderttausenden sprach, redete er auf Englisch, und kaum einer verstand, was er sagte - aber alle waren fasziniert. Gehen Sie heute nach Pakistan, und Sie finden sein Foto noch in jedem Haus.
Dieser Film muss gezeigt werden. Ich sage das nicht nur, weil ich sehr stolz darauf bin und weil ich weiß, dass es das Beste ist, was ich je geleistet habe. Aber dieser Film war auf Festivals zu sehen - London, Los Angeles, New York -, und er ist in Pakistan monatelang gelaufen. Es gab im Vorfeld große Einwände gegen die Besetzung der Rolle durch einen Ausländer, aber danach - kein Wort mehr.
DIE WELT: Wovor haben die westlichen Verleiher Angst?
Lee: Der Film handelt von einem starken Moslem. Zur Zeit hat jeder dieselbe Gedankenkette: Moslem - Fundamentalist - Terrorist - Bombe. Aber gerade jetzt wäre der ideale Zeitpunkt für diesen Film, denn er zeigt, was Islam wirklich bedeutet. Er muss gezeigt werden.
http://www.welt.de/daten/2001/12/20/1220kfi303452.htx
DIE WELT: Wie den pakistanischen Staatsgründer Mohammed Ali Jinnah?
Lee: Der wichtigste Film, den ich je gedreht und die beste Vorstellung, die ich je gegeben habe.
DIE WELT: Aber keiner hat ``Jinnah`` hier gesehen, obwohl er bereits vier Jahre fertig ist.
Lee: Sie fürchten sich. Dieser Mann war eine unglaubliche Persönlichkeit. Sehr stark, völlig unbestechlich, ein brillanter Kopf. Wenn er zu Hunderttausenden sprach, redete er auf Englisch, und kaum einer verstand, was er sagte - aber alle waren fasziniert. Gehen Sie heute nach Pakistan, und Sie finden sein Foto noch in jedem Haus.
Dieser Film muss gezeigt werden. Ich sage das nicht nur, weil ich sehr stolz darauf bin und weil ich weiß, dass es das Beste ist, was ich je geleistet habe. Aber dieser Film war auf Festivals zu sehen - London, Los Angeles, New York -, und er ist in Pakistan monatelang gelaufen. Es gab im Vorfeld große Einwände gegen die Besetzung der Rolle durch einen Ausländer, aber danach - kein Wort mehr.
DIE WELT: Wovor haben die westlichen Verleiher Angst?
Lee: Der Film handelt von einem starken Moslem. Zur Zeit hat jeder dieselbe Gedankenkette: Moslem - Fundamentalist - Terrorist - Bombe. Aber gerade jetzt wäre der ideale Zeitpunkt für diesen Film, denn er zeigt, was Islam wirklich bedeutet. Er muss gezeigt werden.
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#245 Posted by Pankaj on March 24, 2002 8:06:16 pm
A very interesting article on the historicity of ram janma-bhoomi.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/250302/detfro01.asp
``Two key questions need to be answered for the resolution of the legal dispute over Ayodhya. Where exactly was Ram`s birthplace, or janmasthan? And did a Ram temple, marking the spot, exist before the Babri Masjid was built. A 300-year-old map on a piece of withering cotton, currently part of the Jaipur royal family`s collection, could answer both questions.
The map, titled Ayodhya Fort and Town, is one of the oldest depictions of the area. It is preserved at Jaipur`s city Palace Museum under lock and key. Because of the map`s sensitive nature, the royal family is very wary of allowing anyone access to it: a rare copy was made available to Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao in 1992, but only after considerable government pressure. The Hindustan Times was allowed exclusive access to it recently. Photographs weren’t permitted, but the artist`s impression of it accompanying this story is fairly accurate. The map’s authenticity as a historical document is beyond doubt. The Allahabad High Court is likely to treat it as a key piece of evidence in the Ayodhya case.
....
In the middle of the 213x178 cm map is a huge courtyard with ``janmasthan`` written on it. It is open to interpretation whether the cartographer wanted to indicate a building or a spot in the courtyard. Although the marking is clearly outside the three-domed/spired building depicted in the map, so are the markings of other structures like the Badshahi Kila that find a place on it. Irfan Habib, the author of the seminal Atlas of Mughal India and a foremost authority on medieval cartography, believes the ``janmasthan`` could be a large area around the main building, and not just the building itself. Harbans Mukhia, a well-known medieval historian, says the Jaipur map would have been more conclusive had it shown reference points recognisable today — like Sita ki Rasoi and Hanuman Garhi — in relation to the ``janmasthan.`` But acclaimed medieval architecture expert Ram Nath, argues that the map records dozens of significant landmarks that still exist: the Agni Kund, the site of Sita`s trial by fire, the Laxman Kund and the Janaki Kund, to name just three. And that this supports the thesis that the “janmasthan” existed at the spot indicated on the map.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/250302/detfro01.asp
``Two key questions need to be answered for the resolution of the legal dispute over Ayodhya. Where exactly was Ram`s birthplace, or janmasthan? And did a Ram temple, marking the spot, exist before the Babri Masjid was built. A 300-year-old map on a piece of withering cotton, currently part of the Jaipur royal family`s collection, could answer both questions.
The map, titled Ayodhya Fort and Town, is one of the oldest depictions of the area. It is preserved at Jaipur`s city Palace Museum under lock and key. Because of the map`s sensitive nature, the royal family is very wary of allowing anyone access to it: a rare copy was made available to Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao in 1992, but only after considerable government pressure. The Hindustan Times was allowed exclusive access to it recently. Photographs weren’t permitted, but the artist`s impression of it accompanying this story is fairly accurate. The map’s authenticity as a historical document is beyond doubt. The Allahabad High Court is likely to treat it as a key piece of evidence in the Ayodhya case.
....
In the middle of the 213x178 cm map is a huge courtyard with ``janmasthan`` written on it. It is open to interpretation whether the cartographer wanted to indicate a building or a spot in the courtyard. Although the marking is clearly outside the three-domed/spired building depicted in the map, so are the markings of other structures like the Badshahi Kila that find a place on it. Irfan Habib, the author of the seminal Atlas of Mughal India and a foremost authority on medieval cartography, believes the ``janmasthan`` could be a large area around the main building, and not just the building itself. Harbans Mukhia, a well-known medieval historian, says the Jaipur map would have been more conclusive had it shown reference points recognisable today — like Sita ki Rasoi and Hanuman Garhi — in relation to the ``janmasthan.`` But acclaimed medieval architecture expert Ram Nath, argues that the map records dozens of significant landmarks that still exist: the Agni Kund, the site of Sita`s trial by fire, the Laxman Kund and the Janaki Kund, to name just three. And that this supports the thesis that the “janmasthan” existed at the spot indicated on the map.
#244 Posted by Pankaj on March 24, 2002 8:06:16 pm
Dost-Mittar
``I DO NOT think that Indian Muslims see themselves as foreigners in India. But I do think that many Hindus DO think of them in those terms. And as I said in an earlier post to you, there has to be some way of reconciling historical grievances. An attempt was made in the Nehruvian period by distorting history in favour of the Muslims and it did, I think, have the desired effect of making Muslims feel more part of the Indian mainstream after the trauma of the Partition. But it had the unintended impact on the Hindus` psyche who (I`m venturing into dangerous speculation here!)preferred to believe what they learnt with their mother`s milk over what they learnt in the history texts in the schools. The Hindu elite went along with the Nehruvian reinterpretation of history as long as his towering personality was there, but it didn`t survive him for long and even his own daughter found it useful to play on the Hindu communal psyche. Then a combination of various factors, - Shah Bano case, Mandal-Kamandal politics, Ayodhya, and the generally overlooked factor of the tremendous impact of the popular TV serials Ramayan and Mahabharat - brought the Hindu reaction to its full swing resulting in the BJP slogan ``Gurv se kaho hum Hindu hain``.
``
These lines of yours are an accurate description of Hindu psyche in general, even those who oppose RSS. There is a vast inconsistency between what a typical Hindu child learns from folk-lore and that what is written in history textbooks in India. Obviously he starts distrusting the official history textbook and assumes the worst. Then he sees a few stray incidents of Indian Muslims celebrating defeat of Indian cricket team or applauding Pakistani cricket team and his fears get confirmed. He further learns that Muslim dominated areas are a no-go and he is told (incorrectly) that Muslims will butcher him as they do to cows and goats. The foundation of fear against Muslims is laid right in the childhood. Of course there are a whole lot of homes where such attitudes dont persist, however what matters is that such attitudes do exist and in significant numbers. Many Indian Muslims do little to help their cause by confining themselves in the ghettos, not socialising with Hindus and deliberately cutting off from the mainstream by sending their children to madarasas, teaching them Arabic etc. I also happen to know that at least in some Muslim Indian homes, the parents teach their children that Hindus are degenerate heathens and that Islam is superior to Hinduism etc. Lower social interaction serves little to dilute these divergent views. Against such a fertile background, politicians and religious leaders find easy to churn out fanatics.
``I DO NOT think that Indian Muslims see themselves as foreigners in India. But I do think that many Hindus DO think of them in those terms. And as I said in an earlier post to you, there has to be some way of reconciling historical grievances. An attempt was made in the Nehruvian period by distorting history in favour of the Muslims and it did, I think, have the desired effect of making Muslims feel more part of the Indian mainstream after the trauma of the Partition. But it had the unintended impact on the Hindus` psyche who (I`m venturing into dangerous speculation here!)preferred to believe what they learnt with their mother`s milk over what they learnt in the history texts in the schools. The Hindu elite went along with the Nehruvian reinterpretation of history as long as his towering personality was there, but it didn`t survive him for long and even his own daughter found it useful to play on the Hindu communal psyche. Then a combination of various factors, - Shah Bano case, Mandal-Kamandal politics, Ayodhya, and the generally overlooked factor of the tremendous impact of the popular TV serials Ramayan and Mahabharat - brought the Hindu reaction to its full swing resulting in the BJP slogan ``Gurv se kaho hum Hindu hain``.
``
These lines of yours are an accurate description of Hindu psyche in general, even those who oppose RSS. There is a vast inconsistency between what a typical Hindu child learns from folk-lore and that what is written in history textbooks in India. Obviously he starts distrusting the official history textbook and assumes the worst. Then he sees a few stray incidents of Indian Muslims celebrating defeat of Indian cricket team or applauding Pakistani cricket team and his fears get confirmed. He further learns that Muslim dominated areas are a no-go and he is told (incorrectly) that Muslims will butcher him as they do to cows and goats. The foundation of fear against Muslims is laid right in the childhood. Of course there are a whole lot of homes where such attitudes dont persist, however what matters is that such attitudes do exist and in significant numbers. Many Indian Muslims do little to help their cause by confining themselves in the ghettos, not socialising with Hindus and deliberately cutting off from the mainstream by sending their children to madarasas, teaching them Arabic etc. I also happen to know that at least in some Muslim Indian homes, the parents teach their children that Hindus are degenerate heathens and that Islam is superior to Hinduism etc. Lower social interaction serves little to dilute these divergent views. Against such a fertile background, politicians and religious leaders find easy to churn out fanatics.
#243 Posted by soysauce on March 24, 2002 8:06:16 pm
#243 dost-mittar
That was an elegant post - well-written and honest. I don`t know if your take on politicization of history under Nehru is correct or not. If some acedemic historians want to research ``muslim atrocities``, they are of course free to do that Nehru or no Nehru. But indian history as it has been taught in classrooms does not violate facts. Its aim as with all school-level education is nation building. If it has succeeded in that then hindus have nothing to complain about. Your devastating comments on the hindu attitude towards women and the myth of hindu tolerance, i appreciate much. If current attitudes of hindu society continues, it`s only a matter of time before india unravels.
Satyameva Jeyate!
That was an elegant post - well-written and honest. I don`t know if your take on politicization of history under Nehru is correct or not. If some acedemic historians want to research ``muslim atrocities``, they are of course free to do that Nehru or no Nehru. But indian history as it has been taught in classrooms does not violate facts. Its aim as with all school-level education is nation building. If it has succeeded in that then hindus have nothing to complain about. Your devastating comments on the hindu attitude towards women and the myth of hindu tolerance, i appreciate much. If current attitudes of hindu society continues, it`s only a matter of time before india unravels.
Satyameva Jeyate!
#242 Posted by rsaxena on March 24, 2002 8:06:16 pm
it is both amusing and disgusting to see some pakistanis` reactions to people like nasah and zafar who try to build bridges between indian hindus and muslims...it exposes the farce that is pakistan, where many thrive on violence between hindus and muslims in india (while shedding crocodile tears for muslims)...
first it was that chap from heera mandi rebuking zafar`s conciliatory stance with dost-mittar....now its anNy going after nasah...
first it was that chap from heera mandi rebuking zafar`s conciliatory stance with dost-mittar....now its anNy going after nasah...
#241 Posted by rsaxena on March 24, 2002 8:06:16 pm
re: anNy
think with your brain, not with your emotions....
you`ve nicely changed the topic of the discussion to suit your purpose....but let me remind you i NEVER denied that the hindu mobs were anything but ghastly and cruel to innocent muslims...i NEVER tried to defend what they did as right...yet you seem to insist on perpetuating this jhoot by recanting tales of your family`s suffering in gujurat, for which i AM ashamed and sorry...
the original point of debate dear anNy was the veracity of the reports about what happened on that train to warrant muslim thugs burning alive women and children....NOT the veracity of reports about what happened thereafter, which no one has denied...
baat samajh aaiee?
think with your brain, not with your emotions....
you`ve nicely changed the topic of the discussion to suit your purpose....but let me remind you i NEVER denied that the hindu mobs were anything but ghastly and cruel to innocent muslims...i NEVER tried to defend what they did as right...yet you seem to insist on perpetuating this jhoot by recanting tales of your family`s suffering in gujurat, for which i AM ashamed and sorry...
the original point of debate dear anNy was the veracity of the reports about what happened on that train to warrant muslim thugs burning alive women and children....NOT the veracity of reports about what happened thereafter, which no one has denied...
baat samajh aaiee?
#240 Posted by sadna on March 24, 2002 7:30:23 pm
Ghazni-ki-aulad #246
Ordinary Afghans are VERY grateful to Pakistanis, this must be the reason.
Ordinary Afghans are VERY grateful to Pakistanis, this must be the reason.
#239 Posted by Urstruly on March 24, 2002 7:01:38 pm
Kaali maata Sadna # 245
I think it is better that you come out of your little universe, the cocoon of hate. Edhi Foundation and Al-Shifa foundation, both Paksitani orgs, have been providing schooling, soup kitchens and free bakeries throughout Afghanistan before the Anglo-American invasion. After the invasion the invaders stopped both orgs so that they (invaders) could provide food in yellow packets while murdering the male Afghan population; you know just to show that after all they have a human face. Edhi foundation is functional again. However, Al-shifa was shut down because Americans thought that the Paksitani nuclear scietist who was running the Al-shifa might have given Osama some Uranium hidden in some flour sack.
I think it is better that you come out of your little universe, the cocoon of hate. Edhi Foundation and Al-Shifa foundation, both Paksitani orgs, have been providing schooling, soup kitchens and free bakeries throughout Afghanistan before the Anglo-American invasion. After the invasion the invaders stopped both orgs so that they (invaders) could provide food in yellow packets while murdering the male Afghan population; you know just to show that after all they have a human face. Edhi foundation is functional again. However, Al-shifa was shut down because Americans thought that the Paksitani nuclear scietist who was running the Al-shifa might have given Osama some Uranium hidden in some flour sack.
#238 Posted by sadna on March 24, 2002 4:26:10 pm
Until I see at a hospital or a school or at least a soup kitchen set up by these supposedly admiring Pakistanis in the town of Ghazni in memory of their proudly-cited supposed predecessor(or at least hear of Pakistanis visiting this place to pay their respects and spending their tourist dollars there), I will consider their quoting of Ghazni as hero as opportunistic self-aggrandizement gone wrong. I suspect their admiration has less to do with the guy himself and more with what he is said to have done to Hindus.
And it takes Muslims to be gruesomely killed in India for them to be proud of Pakistan. Why?
#237 Posted by anNy on March 24, 2002 2:30:52 pm
nasah sahab
i am supposed to dignify that spurt of hate coming from your heart like paan kee peek from someones mouth? total flow- pure and unadultered....your hate is usually quite disguised kind sir, laikin thora ziada obvious hogya na iss post mae :) jab apni galtian dikhtee hain tau aisa hojata hae..i know..you need to be little careful...thora sa chill karain, aap kee baaree bhi aee gee
i am supposed to dignify that spurt of hate coming from your heart like paan kee peek from someones mouth? total flow- pure and unadultered....your hate is usually quite disguised kind sir, laikin thora ziada obvious hogya na iss post mae :) jab apni galtian dikhtee hain tau aisa hojata hae..i know..you need to be little careful...thora sa chill karain, aap kee baaree bhi aee gee
#236 Posted by nasah on March 24, 2002 1:27:57 pm
````Do you REALLY think Prem meant to excuse what happened post-Godhra by expressing his doubts about the abduction story? Has he EVER even IMPLIED that he is not a full supporter of equal rights and security for Muslims in India? Has he ever shown the slightest disrespect for other people`s religious beliefs? Hasn`t he even been the source for quotes which tell a story similar to the ones you`ve posted? (SO, btw, has Sadna.)````(Zafar)
Zafar miaN do`t feel frustrated.
It`s a congenital eye disease that afflicts an average Pakistani moderate -- he or she -- just can`t distinguish between who their friends are and who their foes among the Hindus of India.
Coming from the land of zealots -- they are actually comfortable with the Hindu zealots -- they can identify themselves with the likes of Thackarays and Advanis (see the Pakistani invitation to Advani to come to Pakistan for a friendly chit chat right after Gujarat!)
They only go nuts and banana when they encounter a decent, progressive, secular Hindu -- who is man enough or woman enough to call a spade a spade -- even if that crummy spade belongs to his or her OWN community.
Also this Pakistani propensity to attack the Hindu progressives in India is not a recent one --it`s built in their psyche since `47 -- remember what poor Nehru had to go through with these guys.
Zafar miaN do`t feel frustrated.
It`s a congenital eye disease that afflicts an average Pakistani moderate -- he or she -- just can`t distinguish between who their friends are and who their foes among the Hindus of India.
Coming from the land of zealots -- they are actually comfortable with the Hindu zealots -- they can identify themselves with the likes of Thackarays and Advanis (see the Pakistani invitation to Advani to come to Pakistan for a friendly chit chat right after Gujarat!)
They only go nuts and banana when they encounter a decent, progressive, secular Hindu -- who is man enough or woman enough to call a spade a spade -- even if that crummy spade belongs to his or her OWN community.
Also this Pakistani propensity to attack the Hindu progressives in India is not a recent one --it`s built in their psyche since `47 -- remember what poor Nehru had to go through with these guys.
#235 Posted by audio-video-rad on March 24, 2002 1:27:57 pm
Asif #1 That fellow scumbag I mention in my post below incidentally is omar sheikh, in case you are wondering.
#233 Posted by shammi on March 24, 2002 1:27:57 pm
Re: Ali1
``..If anything puts fresh emphasis on the two-nation theory it is the organized massacre of Muslims there...``
Shouldn`t we rename TNT -- the THREE nation theory taking into account the realities today? More seriously, Ayaz Amir is tempted into making that assertion given recent events, however should he not give greater thought to how TNT abandoned all of India`s Muslims to their fate?
``..If anything puts fresh emphasis on the two-nation theory it is the organized massacre of Muslims there...``
Shouldn`t we rename TNT -- the THREE nation theory taking into account the realities today? More seriously, Ayaz Amir is tempted into making that assertion given recent events, however should he not give greater thought to how TNT abandoned all of India`s Muslims to their fate?
#232 Posted by semipreciousme on March 24, 2002 1:27:57 pm
stuka:
“Dude, are you for real??? I have never ever seen anyone so transcend nationalist views as much as you do. Not in real life and definitely not in Chowk. Forgive me for asking this, but are you a Hindu maybe? “
…..geez….so not only have you called me dude, but also accused me of being a horrible hindoo…(thanx, hamidm)….must i jump up and down and yell Pakistan/islam zindabad to convince you that my horns and tail are green and not, god forbid, saffron thank you very much?…
“Where do you get your enlightenment from?”
….it’s a woman thing….
“It is about you saying the right thing ALL the time”
…..see above….
“And no, this is not about Dawood Ibrahim.. “
….actually it’s very much about dawood ibrahim…it infuriates and terrifies me to no end knowing that this rabid scum-of-the-earth is in pakistan and being sheltered by the gov’t…as if we didn’t have enough terrorists of our own to deal with….
“Jeezus, it can almost be infuriating :)”
…if i can piss off an indian, consider my patriotic duty of the day done…:)
akash:
“That`s why dear stuka, I strongly advise you to completely ignore the posts by a few odius, frigging Pakis on Chowk and this wholly-whatever is one of them. The only posters I love to read on Chowk are by Ali#1/Urstruly. Dont you feel a rush of blood and certain self-righteousness overwhelming us while reading these gentleman. This self-righteousness unites us all more strongly than any thing else. People like wholly-whatever want to take away from us something that is most dear to us- pleasure of pak bashing without looking at oneself. We must fight against these evil forces to retain our birthright of pak bashing or individual bashing( as your feud with beta ali is) as a good and patriotic Indian. Dont fall a victim to the evil forces.”
….wow….i’m an evil force?….i like, i like…
“Dude, are you for real??? I have never ever seen anyone so transcend nationalist views as much as you do. Not in real life and definitely not in Chowk. Forgive me for asking this, but are you a Hindu maybe? “
…..geez….so not only have you called me dude, but also accused me of being a horrible hindoo…(thanx, hamidm)….must i jump up and down and yell Pakistan/islam zindabad to convince you that my horns and tail are green and not, god forbid, saffron thank you very much?…
“Where do you get your enlightenment from?”
….it’s a woman thing….
“It is about you saying the right thing ALL the time”
…..see above….
“And no, this is not about Dawood Ibrahim.. “
….actually it’s very much about dawood ibrahim…it infuriates and terrifies me to no end knowing that this rabid scum-of-the-earth is in pakistan and being sheltered by the gov’t…as if we didn’t have enough terrorists of our own to deal with….
“Jeezus, it can almost be infuriating :)”
…if i can piss off an indian, consider my patriotic duty of the day done…:)
akash:
“That`s why dear stuka, I strongly advise you to completely ignore the posts by a few odius, frigging Pakis on Chowk and this wholly-whatever is one of them. The only posters I love to read on Chowk are by Ali#1/Urstruly. Dont you feel a rush of blood and certain self-righteousness overwhelming us while reading these gentleman. This self-righteousness unites us all more strongly than any thing else. People like wholly-whatever want to take away from us something that is most dear to us- pleasure of pak bashing without looking at oneself. We must fight against these evil forces to retain our birthright of pak bashing or individual bashing( as your feud with beta ali is) as a good and patriotic Indian. Dont fall a victim to the evil forces.”
….wow….i’m an evil force?….i like, i like…
#231 Posted by anNy on March 24, 2002 1:27:57 pm
zafarsaab
``anNy, that is SO unfair to Prem. He is the LAST person to deserve this on chowk.``
i know man..im sorry..i was very angry..
saxena:
``you have some gall challenging people on the credibility of news reports...you`ve conveniently forgotten that embarassing moment when you defended some dawn story and it was later revealed that dawn had doctored the words?....``
embarassing it would have been if i were deliberately lieing rsaxena..if you will care to go over it or `honestly` look back into your memory you sad human being, you will see that i expressed my surprise, disillusionment about the `doctored report` once it was pointed out by none other than prem..you expressed your surprise and unexpected pleasure too, remember?..my gall annoys you i see..funny how you will bring anything up from the past to offbalance the other person yet not address issue in question..bohat burra trait betae...but never mind, let us carry the matter further- do tell what you have to say about all i posted for prem, o champion of non existent minority rights in pakistan.(ref: diminishing hindoos etc)..what have you to say about my bachaaz not being able to go to school for 3 weeks now and PETRIFIED and my families after being based in ahmedabad for centuries now migrating to other countries because not only are they scared sh!tless, they are being TOLD by kindly neighbours and police officers that this will happen again and then again (no disrespect to mummy india but it becomes a little tiresome hiding in the damn pantry especially when you can hear ppl saying ram something and that at 4 in the morning and know that 5 ppl are enough to break into the house, godhelp u with the 50 ppl outside, yeah? (and god bless forever aunty paroo for telling them the house had been `done` already or i would have some very dead uncles and aunts and wobbly grandparents and babies on my hand)...especially scary since the police walae stood by aunty paroo`s house while dear ol uncle zulfi`s family was roasted alive..2 bratty boys and one very intelligent daughter who had a scholarship to upenn i hear...just like you roast chicken
you constantly berate pakistan and many times it angers me mostrously but i dont (cant) say anything because as insultingly as u may put it, much of it is true and whats coming of defending something that is not defendable? think some saxena..actually, screw it...why do i even bother when its obvious that ure only coming back with nothing of substance and only more insults designed to make yourself appear witty? im not very smart i think (yes do post a few nasty comments under that bit also..``you said it i didnt`` will look cool) god help us all with people like you in this world
urstruly
please shuttup
prem
sorry marra...i was upset and angry and your post made me explode :( if there is a decent indian on chowk (hehe), it is you
``anNy, that is SO unfair to Prem. He is the LAST person to deserve this on chowk.``
i know man..im sorry..i was very angry..
saxena:
``you have some gall challenging people on the credibility of news reports...you`ve conveniently forgotten that embarassing moment when you defended some dawn story and it was later revealed that dawn had doctored the words?....``
embarassing it would have been if i were deliberately lieing rsaxena..if you will care to go over it or `honestly` look back into your memory you sad human being, you will see that i expressed my surprise, disillusionment about the `doctored report` once it was pointed out by none other than prem..you expressed your surprise and unexpected pleasure too, remember?..my gall annoys you i see..funny how you will bring anything up from the past to offbalance the other person yet not address issue in question..bohat burra trait betae...but never mind, let us carry the matter further- do tell what you have to say about all i posted for prem, o champion of non existent minority rights in pakistan.(ref: diminishing hindoos etc)..what have you to say about my bachaaz not being able to go to school for 3 weeks now and PETRIFIED and my families after being based in ahmedabad for centuries now migrating to other countries because not only are they scared sh!tless, they are being TOLD by kindly neighbours and police officers that this will happen again and then again (no disrespect to mummy india but it becomes a little tiresome hiding in the damn pantry especially when you can hear ppl saying ram something and that at 4 in the morning and know that 5 ppl are enough to break into the house, godhelp u with the 50 ppl outside, yeah? (and god bless forever aunty paroo for telling them the house had been `done` already or i would have some very dead uncles and aunts and wobbly grandparents and babies on my hand)...especially scary since the police walae stood by aunty paroo`s house while dear ol uncle zulfi`s family was roasted alive..2 bratty boys and one very intelligent daughter who had a scholarship to upenn i hear...just like you roast chicken
you constantly berate pakistan and many times it angers me mostrously but i dont (cant) say anything because as insultingly as u may put it, much of it is true and whats coming of defending something that is not defendable? think some saxena..actually, screw it...why do i even bother when its obvious that ure only coming back with nothing of substance and only more insults designed to make yourself appear witty? im not very smart i think (yes do post a few nasty comments under that bit also..``you said it i didnt`` will look cool) god help us all with people like you in this world
urstruly
please shuttup
prem
sorry marra...i was upset and angry and your post made me explode :( if there is a decent indian on chowk (hehe), it is you
#230 Posted by Prem on March 24, 2002 1:27:57 pm
Zafar,
Chowk bigwigs trashed one of my posts on the matter of Ghazni et. al. IMO that is a silly issue that gets too many hairs ruffled unnecessarily. But I will return to that part later sometime. Re-writing stuff just isn`t fun.
However, to whet your entrepreneurial appetite, I am enthusiastic about bringing your Hunood and Munood Eatery idea to fruition. For our first customers, we can invite ali1 and Urstruly, and fill them up with as much red beef as they can hold inside them; all gratis, of course.
But then they might refuse our rather humble invitation. Or, might demand to eat a couple of Hindoos. Then again, Hindoos may be too dirty to turn into good dishes for them.
It`s all terribly confusing. That is why I keep to my simple green vegetables :)
So, let`s settle it: I manage the veggies, you take care of the gosht stuff. BTW, I HAVE learnt to do some cool veggie cooking...quite surprised myself.
Necessity is the mother of skills that mother never thought were necessities.
Chowk bigwigs trashed one of my posts on the matter of Ghazni et. al. IMO that is a silly issue that gets too many hairs ruffled unnecessarily. But I will return to that part later sometime. Re-writing stuff just isn`t fun.
However, to whet your entrepreneurial appetite, I am enthusiastic about bringing your Hunood and Munood Eatery idea to fruition. For our first customers, we can invite ali1 and Urstruly, and fill them up with as much red beef as they can hold inside them; all gratis, of course.
But then they might refuse our rather humble invitation. Or, might demand to eat a couple of Hindoos. Then again, Hindoos may be too dirty to turn into good dishes for them.
It`s all terribly confusing. That is why I keep to my simple green vegetables :)
So, let`s settle it: I manage the veggies, you take care of the gosht stuff. BTW, I HAVE learnt to do some cool veggie cooking...quite surprised myself.
Necessity is the mother of skills that mother never thought were necessities.
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