The Red Dress

urstruly #44 you write: ``A relative in army once told me that in Murree Bhutto actually went breserk; according to his words ``Bhutto nay tay odhi (Zia`s) maaN behan ik kar ditti``.`` You got this part somewhat right (I had a relative who was present at that dramatic meeting in Murree). Bhutto, arrogant and defiant till the end. When told of the gallows being prepared for him, he told his jailors that he wanted not one but 8 gallows to be set up, since he planned to hang not one but 8 generals. His definance no doubt left Zia withh little choice (even he had wanted to exercise it) but to carry out the execution.

Being you, you had to continue and add bs: ``Zia in return took off his belt and beat the living daylights out of Bhutto. `` This is a figment of your imagination - Zia was far more subtle than that, and was always self-effacing with others and at times even diffident (he would for example almost invariably flatter people by graciously showing them to the door - even after he had gently informed them that he had a file of charges prepared on them, and unless they started behaving he would use that file to put them away.).

urstruly #44 On my post below, even the first part as you state it is wrong. Bhutto did not go ``berserk``, although he did give Zia a piece of his mind. While I have no love for either Bhutto or Zia, and consider them to have done more damage to Pakistan than all external forces put together, rest assured they were both grown up men, not half-brained idiots of the kind one sometimes finds on chowk...

Ras Siddiqui #63 Interesting account by Asghar Khan and it provides some new information on Zia`s primer on ``How to bootlick bosses and bootkick ex-bosses, journalists, and others``. He omits Zia`s brutal crackdown on the palestinians in Jordan (where he was heading a tank brigade for the King) in the late 1970`s, and which was remembered ever since by the palestinians as ``Black September``.

progressive #42 given the backwardness of the most fervent muslim proselytizers, and given the arrogance and hatreds prevalent among many Arabs in particular, it would be a great pity if we were to have any more converts to the ``islam`` as these people understand it.

There has no doubt been a run on books on Islam, but these are mostly books written by five or six western scholars and two or three Pakistani writers. Not the garbage written by people like Sahih Bukhari that these people treat as their sacred book. And no doubt these best-selling books correctly point to the overall beauty of the true Islam - it`s emphasis on peace, honesty, simplicity, and so on. This is true Islam, not the Islam that these Islamist Chauvinists understand. If they were not chauvinists, and true muslims, they would realize that muslims are not a ``chosen people``, there are no chosen people, and that Islam calls for respect to all faiths, and that you can be a muslim and go to hell and be a non-muslim and go to heaven.

These are foreign concepts of those ``brothers`` who run around congratulating themselves on what they think is the spread of Islam. The fact is that most people in the world associate islam with terrorism, and where there is smoke there is fire. Let these Islamists first convert to civilized human beings, and then they can start preaching to others.

Mr. Butthead321

``On my post below, even the first part as you state it is wrong.``

``You got this part somewhat right (I had a relative who was present at that dramatic meeting in Murree).``

I think you gotta make up your mind, as to what you want to say....but I am not surprised as I see tens of splitheads everyday at chowk.

Yours truly,
Beavis.

lajjobhai

plis minding own bznizz..also 20, naat 16, okayy?

Anny beHen,

Waht this father- dghter rellation?? haiN??/ Its Amrecan culture. Plzz dont see movezz like AMRECAN BEUTY...Givez bad name to Izlam ..ok?

aap he bata sakteein hai ..kya yeh theek haii?haiN?

PLzz drik some SHATTAP juice ..ok? me freD? ok?

urstruly #57 (yawn) please refer to my posts of a couple of weeks ago to you on the board below this one (the ones regarding name-calling being no substitute for reasoned argument). My saying ``somewhat right`` in one post and then immediately following it up with a stronger term ``wrong``, does not weaken my point by any means.

PS: In case you chose to respond to this post, please refer to the above-mentioned set of posts from me and consider them to be my response. So Bye Bye until the next time that you unable to control your urge to write something stupid on chowk...

Dukhi Ram #50 I get it, AAmir & Co.! You change your nick to reflect the mood!! So after Gujrat, you become Dukhi Ram. When Afgahnistan has it`s first real elections soon, you will become Khushal Khan Afghan. With Palestinians having half the Israeli army on their tails, you will become Dukhi Fatimah. You clever, clever man!!

Reply Deepka #61

Reply Lajwantii # 58

“PLzz drik some SHATTAP juice ..ok? me freD? ok? “

Whyy ou are so rude, behain? You should b ekinda nd guntle, no? Thenon ly wil peple see yournice nature, inner beauty vaghairah. Iwa nt peopleto onlythunk nice thoughta aobut Lajwanti(i)s – ok?

Don ot angry, I am fried, I am giwing sypathyonly. Not nastythought or vulgrityb ad hygeine impure think. Seehow nice, no?

Ok, tata.

Deepika,

I heard different, yar. I heard that you first spotted bechari Laju while she was at the Spice But Not Too Much Spice Cafe while she was trying to decide between the Kalakand Delight and Burfi Banana Bonanza. You kept trying to catch her eye, but she was ignoring you being absorbed by far more important matters. You even spilled your Tutti Fruiti Sherbet on the floor in front of her to get her attention, but it was a no go....she got and imperiously gathered her burqa around her and stepped over your mess...

So now you try to make up stories (cliched as well!) bother her online? You will never be as brilliant as she is....meet your Roxanne...

See laju, as Michael sings, you are not alone....

AAmir #64 You are indeed a great mahatama. A deity in fact that appears in different forms. Please dont do jinnah though, or else ylh will jump to his feet and start singing the pakistani national anthem and then you`ll be sorry!!

Reply Samnasha #67

Deepika,

I heard different, yar. I heard that you first spotted bechari Laju while she was at the Spice But Not Too Much Spice Cafe while she was trying to decide between the Kalakand Delight and Burfi Banana Bonanza. You kept trying to catch her eye, but she was ignoring you being absorbed by far more important matters. You even spilled your Tutti Fruiti Sherbet on the floor in front of her to get her attention, but it was a no go....she got and imperiously gathered her burqa around her and stepped over your mess...

So now you try to make up stories (cliched as well!) bother her online? You will never be as brilliant as she is....meet your Roxanne...

See laju, as Michael sings, you are not alone....



thak you behain. I am hglad somebody understand.

Blass you.

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Reply Deepika #70

You ar MARRIED?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOuh ave twayed withm yaffction! yous houldapolgise IMMEDITELY!

Youa re shamless. Whyy ou did thit? WHY????

Whya lsoyou writing nasty thing? First youd onot tellingturth, and then y ouaremakkingup very bad storya boutme.

Why doy ou hateme? WHY????

Youa renot niceparson.

Reply Samina

See behain, Deepika is very bad. I a mreading following story which is explain everythung:

Inner Beauty Overrated, Survey of Indian Men Reveals

Chaitanya Sabharwal , Special to the Sulekha Indus Inquirer

New Delhi, Apr 6, 2002 A 788-person survey of Indian men on the issue of sexuality, simultaneously conducted in three countries, revealed a distinct preference for physical beauty, sexual charm and just plain lip-smacking ooomph in women to more metaphysical traits such as honesty, spirituality, integrity and general inner beauty. 748 out of the 788 men who responded said looks are definitely more important than rectitude. ``What are you going to do with inner beauty yaar, take it to a nightclub and a movie?`` asked Suresh Uppal (Hyderabad), summarizing the near universal wonderment about the practical utility of `goodness` as compared to, in the words of another respondent Upendra Banerjee (Nainital), `the hubba hubba factor`.

Thirty eight respondents, all from Microsoft, Infosys, Satyam, GE, Oracle, IBM and Wipro from the city of Bangalore (a city that offers countless hedonistic pleasures but is filled with largely harmless software types who pack curd rice for work and don`t know what to do with a loose evening) couldn`t understand the meaning of sexual charm; one of them asked if it was a new line of firewall software and another wanted to check with his father before answering the survey.

Bal Thackeray, the other respondent who voted no, railed against polls as a Western contrivance that had no place in a traditional Hindu society like India. He spoke vehemently that seeking public opinion is detrimental for the society and popular mandate should have no place in governance of India. He asserted, ``India should be led strictly by Hindu scriptures, especially the great 3000-year old works of Manu and his party men.`` He proceeded to smash the microphone on the survey-holder`s head before resuming to write an op-ed piece for Saamna; it is rumored that he writes the whole magazine himself under various pen names but that is, you will also agree, beside the point.

The last respondent to vote was India`s prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee who answered using his trademark poetic wit that, to be really frank with you, eluded this hapless reporter. When posed the question by the Sulekha Indus Inquirer (http://www.indusinquirer.com), he answered with this couplet from Faiz Ahmed Faiz:

phir koi aaya, dil-e-zaar! nahiin, koi nahiin.

raahrau hoga, kahiin aur chalaa jaaega.

Is someone there, oh weeping heart? No, no one there.

Perhaps a traveler, but he will be on his way.

Ms Manisha Koirala, a leading Bollywood actress (whose picture we have included for your convenience so you know who we are referring to), did not comment on this issue because, in her words, `thinking about such things makes my head hurt`. Since nobody wants to see such a pretty head hurt, the Sulekha Indus Inquirer (http://www.indusinquirer.com) left it at that.

However, University of Delhi sociologist Ms Mahima Chatterjee found these poll findings are in keeping with similar polls done elsewhere in the world. Ms Chatterjee, smiling gently through her benevolent glasses, concluded, ``All these polls done around the world point to one indisputable fact: men are unemotional, lascivious dogs.`` This preference of men, she says, contrasts sharply with that of women who do not place such emphasis on sex and high performance. ``They are more evolved from the baser pleasures. They care more about things like the color of wall painting, whether the kitchen utensil set is complete, if the pillows are appropriately fluffed and blankets folded properly. You know the more profound stuff,`` she said, extending her gentle smile.

Summing up the survey, one of the more thoughtful respondents Imtiaz Khan (London) concluded, ``Inner beauty is revealed and cherished over time as all passion subsides. It takes its time. Like Shakespeare said, `I know a passion still more deeply charming than what fevered youth ever felt; And that is love by long experience mellowed into friendship. (Source: Sulekha Quikbites)`` Like, how long? ``Oh after you are about 80, 85 years old. Overall, this inner beauty thing is seriously overvalued for most of life.``

This desire for external appeal is uniform across the country: 95% of Bengali men said they can go without sweets for a year if they can get hitched to a sexy siren for a wife; 92% of Tamilian men are willing to spend a summer without sambhar for their dream girl; but a smaller 62% of Andhra men said they might consider going easy on dowry (but unwilling to abstain from consuming pickles) if the girl is in the class of a Bipasha Basu or Angelina Jolie (picture included for your reference).

But do men who look for beautiful girls also think they themselves should look handsome and ooze loads of charm and sex appeal? Answered Mr Nayan Gupta (Chicago), a 30-year old engineer (originally from the great state of Punjab) with an interesting mustache, oily hair and a belly that is growing somewhat defiantly, ``Why I look good? I am man. Also, I am NRI (sic).