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Cry, the Beloved Country

Harsh Mander April 4, 2002

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#98 Posted by Binifer on April 8, 2002 4:15:21 pm
Scout

Please stick to your business and not unnecessarily butt into what is mine and nobody elses? When was it the last time I jumped in while you exchanged insults and foot fetish fantasies and machar talk? If i feel YLH deserves a telling off post, I will give it to him. And I will give it in whichever language I deem necessary. My hormones are none of your concern. You understand then? Your interference where it is not required has been noted before also and it is not appreciated.

RSaxena

I would have to insult a few ladies, some prophets and a few gods here and there after which coming down to your standards would be a question possible...chootpiece (what else?).

p.s: (apologies dostmiter, tahmed and all the nice interactors here but when u gotta do it, you gotta do it in style)

Aamir

Where is that kid DRUMZ with his message not messenger routine when you need him?



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#97 Posted by shammi on April 8, 2002 4:15:21 pm
Interview with Harsh Mander (Outlook India)

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20020415&fname=Cover+Stories&sid=3



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#96 Posted by roohi on April 8, 2002 4:15:21 pm
Anyone know if Swami Agnivesh`s group is doing anything useful in Gujrat .... ?

Watch his interview with the Interfaith Center in New York at

http://www.interfaithcenter.org/agnivesh.shtml



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#95 Posted by ylh on April 8, 2002 4:15:21 pm
Scout,

I will try really hard this time.. I promise.

Shammi,

Well if tahmed didn`t act like one there would be no need to call him that.

Prem,

tahmed maybe a lot of things, but he is condescending, insulting, and usually without any positive thing except goody goody emotionalism which wins him supporters. Remember it is this generation which has failed Pakistan.

To Quote Iqbal

Khirad Ko Ghulami Say Azaad Kar

Jawano Ko Peeron Ka Ustaad kar

-YLH



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#94 Posted by scout on April 8, 2002 12:33:47 pm
Binifer #82,

i`m not trying to defend yasser, but there are a lot of caustic interactors here, who are much older than ylh and call people names. ylh needs to grow up, but i don`t think he deserves the galiyan that you have bestowed upon him. truthfully, we all need to grow up a bit.

i don`t think ganging up on ylh will help anyone. uttering profanities in a fit of hormonal rage won`t help either.

ylh,

please quit calling people names and i`m sure they will stop harrassing you too. we don`t need to get snippy with everyone. just relax and take a deep breath.



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#93 Posted by Ansari on April 8, 2002 12:33:47 pm
Prem #86

Thank you for some timely wisdom.

Binifer #82

See above.



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#92 Posted by rsaxena on April 8, 2002 12:33:47 pm
re: cranky woman #82

{fuks sake}

{chootpiece}

{arse}

{uloo kae pathae}

{gadhae}

...yup, you`re a real class act, woman...well above ylh and I..



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#91 Posted by Urstruly on April 8, 2002 10:27:53 am
ylh & tahmad321

I have never ever called tahmad a ``seniel old man``. So the question that I stole it from ylh should never arise. This accusation is baseless and a travesty. I always call tahamad, ``seniel butthead``. This is my invention. Although, the phrase ``seniel butthead`` is proprietory, I leave it in public domain for the good of all. Any one can use it.

Beavis.

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#90 Posted by subroto on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
Re Shankar # 62

What the???



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#89 Posted by Binifer on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
Yasser various statements

(In jumps binifer to defend tahmed the sacred. Can anyone tell me what is so stupid about saying what I said...? ...all you can do is make stupid comments like the one you just did...)

Khothae, itnee aqal tau bazaar sae bhi mil jae ge. Do you not see how very foolish you look? I mean for fuks sake man, dont you? Do you also not see, that in your attempts to make tahmed and romair etc look bad (and god knows that it is yourself that looks like a chootpiece everytime and no one else), you do a lot of damage to the very pakistan you claim to love and defend. Demeaning the military to make romair look like an arse, how good does that make the Pakistani army look, forget Romair and his one minded thinking?

Calling tahmed a senile budha, how cool does that make you? Screw what anyone says, what the hell ever happened to preserving your own dignity, hain uloo kae pathae? You realize not, I am afraid what a (yes child) BAKRA you are at chowk. Immature, idiotic, annoying, nuisance value rakhnae wala bakra. And what gets my goat is that you pretend all along that youre standing for the true Pakistani identity and anyone disagreeing with you is promptly fed a few thousand posts that just dont make sense.

(Ill mannered I might be... but with good reason. And stupid I am not, nothing I say can be described as stupid.)

Yes you are ill mannered and that reflects on the house and religion and place you hail from. How tahmed behaves speaks very well for where he is from and one can also tell where that gadha saxena is from, judging by his posts. You reflect on your home and every other place and idea you profess to be associated with. What you are saying will not matter an iota if you have no credibility or integrity. Think about it, gadhae kee dumn.

Shankar

Any mufta janitorial advice on how to calm my cranky hormones? Icecream aint workin no more



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#88 Posted by ZafarA on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
Something that works, and that needs to be promoted. What can we do to help? Any ideas?

Surat’s mohalla panels held peace as Gujarat burned

Melvyn Thomas



Surat, April 7: That Surat remained peaceful, except for stray incidents, while the rest of Gujarat was burning is no coincidence. The credit for it goes to Surat police which formed mohalla committees — along the lines of those in Mumbai — in all 14 police station areas of the city.

Members of both communities along with prominent Parsis and Christians were appointed to the committees. Police inspectors organised daily meetings of the committees and members were entrusted with the responsibility of curbing violence. Mohalla committee members were also asked to furnish details of anti-social elements capable of instigating communal tension in their areas.

The committees were set up after March 7, a trifle late but effective nonetheless. Surat, incidentally, remained peaceful for the first few days after the Godhra attack. However, on March 2, the city witnessed sporadic incidents of violence which left eight persons dead. Following this, police started working towards restoring channels of communication between the two communities by holding committee meetings.

Chowk Bazaar police took the lead in forming over 32 mohalla committees in different localities. Police say that only the first couple of meetings were organised by them while residents themselves took the initiative later and extended invitations to the local inspector. Explained Additional Commissioner of Police (ACP) Range-I Mohan Jha, ‘‘The meetings are a confidence-building measure so that communities can co-exist peacefully. Feelings of distrust and suspicion only facilitate the work of anti-social elements.’’

Jha added, ‘‘Surat is an economically prosperous city. People from various religious have come here for a better economic life and they have actively cooperated with police. We are thankful to all members of the committees for their real input in strengthening our democratic process. The result is there for everyone to see.’’

Inspector of Chowk Bazaar police station J.M. Suthar said, ‘‘There was a fear and tension among residents here. But once they were brought face-to-face, all there fears disappeared. The members of the committees declared that the names of those indulging in spreading tension and violence would be disclosed to police.’’

Suthar added, ‘‘There was no political interference and all meetings were attended by residents of the respective areas and societies. Now we can say that despite large-scale violence in Ahmedabad, Vadodara, Bharuch, Ankleshwar, Surat has remained peaceful.’’



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#87 Posted by shammi on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
Is India Going the Way of 1930s Germany?

http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DD06Df02.html



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#86 Posted by scout on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
tahmed321,

senile old men have a nice, innocent quality to them. :) may i call you grandpa, i don`t have one.



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#85 Posted by Prem on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
re: ylh # 79

There is nothing wrong in your calling for unity, faith, and discipline. A stirring, elevating trumpet for action those words can be. May people of Pakistan hear that noble invocation, and raise their nation to greater glories that are naturally theirs to possess.

Tahmed321 shares that vision for Pakistan. His optimism is infectious, his deep affection for Pakistan touching. So much so that his words repeatedly shame a cynic like me - a cynic who turned dismissive of General Musharraf a fortnight after the General`s appropriately applauded (Jan 12th?) speech.

Tahmed321 is your partner (a senior partner) in every way. He did not impugn your motives or wisdom. He merely contextualized your call. He rightly suggested that faith, unity, and discipline could be both a pathway to heaven and a one-way ticket to the purgatory. Saints and prophets have called mankind under the banner of faith, unity, and discipline; but so have leaders of suicidal cults and fanatical religious bands inviting misery, death and destruction.

That subtle distinction is naturally clear to an intelligent person such as you. Tahmed321 was helping you clarify that issue to the rest of us who may not have considered these matters in sufficient depth.

There exists synergy in your words and tahmed`s, not opposition.



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#84 Posted by shammi on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
ylh;

``... Can anyone tell me what is so stupid about saying what I said...? Unity Faith and discipline..``

Butthead, the problem is not in the phrase `Unity, Faith & Discipline`. The problem is in your addressing Tahmed as `senile budha tahmed`.



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#83 Posted by Shah on April 8, 2002 2:16:26 am
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