He Said, She Said

re:Edwina Vs Nehru

The Mountbatten`s tilt towards Nehru has nothing to do with Edwina. This is another figment of imagination of Pak historians. Why would Mountbatten be favorably tilted towards Nehru if he knew that his wife was sleeping with Nehru? Perhaps, Chowk`s clown ylh can shed some light on this.

The reality is: Mountbatten, as a true professional, never let personal life come in way of public duties. He knew Nehru from Singapore days when the 2 had met. He admired Nehru and foresaw his rise to eminence someday. He assiduously cultivated Nehru, who was an anglophile anyway.

Mountbatten, on express wish of Atlee and British Crown, wanted India to be a part of Commonwealth after it became independent. He strove hard to achieve that objective. His friendship with Nehru did not prevent him from doing his duties towards the British crown. Atleast i have not read or seen any reports from the British press accusing Mountbatten of any derilection of duty.

OTOH, Mountbatten did a lot of harm to India. By setting up a deadline for Independence, he gave little time for a smooth handover of power. He also failed to foresee the communal clashes and was only interested in the safety of British troops and officers.

Much has again been made of the award of Gurdaspur to India. Cyril Radcliffe, who was instrumental in partitioning British India, had no idea of the landscape or Geography. Mountbatten had no influence over Radcliffe who was answerable only to London. Radcliffe made a hotchpotch of the whole thing. The line he drew went through natural boundaries (rivers etc)where they existed but in other places, actually divided somebody`s house or farm and so on. Award of Gurdaspur to India was fortuitous not intentional. Pak historians, famous for inacuuracies and weaving a cob-web, have again given this matter a spin.

Sridhar

re: nasah

{-- my son-in-law is Jewish.}

..the ultimate sign of a mind not held hostage by the hobgoblins of religion...congratulations...

re: spout

{lame...so lame, i`m ashamed to even call you a foe, you need more substance than that sugar.}

...aww, big talk from the ever-predictable munchkin...now be a dear and go clean off the mud from that ditch you jumped into on the other thread...

re: Freesoul # 441

Jinnah was a man of action, not a political philosopher. The key political philosophers behind the creation of Pakistan were Rahmat Ali (whose contribution is probably not as well recognized in Pakistan as it should be), and Iqbal (who, along with Jinnah has been deified by Pakistanis the way we Indians have deified Gandhi).

As a man of action, Jinnah was a tactician and a bargainer. He got the job done for Iqbal and Rahmat Ali (Jinnah probably did not have any direct contacts with the latter, and might have had some disagreements with him as well). He was effective. As such, he remains a hero for all those who derive their primary identity from Pakistan. But whether he can be looked up as an unambiguous source of a clear and cogent political/religious/moral public philosophy is highly doubtful.

Men of action do NOT play that role in societies. They create THINGS, not political/moral worldviews. More often than not, that is the job of others.

What a crock, this piece of writing. Looked for for-ever-present Sadna, found her [#61], hamidm [#14, what a wit and style!] and ylh [#102, still doggedly carrying on. Still hasn`t understood that democracy is a `concept` to die for! And that ``what after ...?`` questions have lived out their afadee

All I want to ask Indian posters here is that if you can`t reply or argue on facts, don`t make stupid statements to dent my credibility. Unlike most of you, I have posted with sources and facts.

rsaxena,

I am well aware of Peres`s one sided views on Pakistan. All I can say is 1) He has never been allowed to visit Pakistan, for had he been to Pakistan he would see what we really are.. 2) Israelis have been isolated by Pakistanis, by their bigoted support for the Arabs...

The fact my friend is that I am not so `delusional` but you, sadly, only learn your facts while flipping through channels..

Instead of accusing me of `spinning` as you love to do, why don`t you come up with verifiable sources on the issues I have spoken on. But you really can`t, because you are sadly all that represents the term : `Little knowledge is dangerous`.

Dostmittar ji:

``The affair between Nehru and Edwina was of political significance, and it greatly influenced the course of events, especially the pro-Congress tilt of that disgusting Mountbatten.``

This point has been made in the film Jinnah and is also an article of faith among Pakistani writers. But it baffles me! Shouldn`t it be the opposite? Wouldn`t a man want to punish his wife`s lover instead of rewarding him? Makes no sense to me...



my theory is that lady Edwina was only a smokescreen..... Nehru and Mountie were both gays.

Ylh,

I hope that your last post to me was submitted by your doppelganger and not you personally.

Sarwari

Good for you. If you need any support, let me know.

Rsax

It is my job as a reader, writer and human being to try to understand what is not understandable.

Dost mittar

Will get back to you shortly. I`m so vexed. I missed the Salman Rushdie Show at the 92nd St. Y. I had bought tickets to see Salman Sahib, otherwise known as That No Good Shaitan Ka Bacha, but the event was cancelled post 9/11. They rescheduled it, but didn`t tell the ticket holders. Grrrr....

Scout, Semi

I am reaching a state of heartbrokenness here. We are living in the belly of this ugly beast that has devoured our govt. and our media. Btw, since I trust both of you, what are your takes on Kashmir?

Dost Mittar,

Mountbatten was a self-promoter. Mountbatten pimped his wife for political favors. It is a well known fact. Sometimes he joined them in a threesome if the party was so inclined, as with Nehru.

Your question is naive. It is a well known fact that Mountbatten continued to send Edwina to Nehru whenever Nehru asked for her.. this happened right uptil Edwina`s death...

-YLH

Dear soy:

``Those who attack jews are as contemptible as the zionists themselves``(soysauce)

Couldn`t agree with you more -- in fact I will fight with my bare hands those who attack Jews who have nothing to do with the zionist terrorism -- because I have a personal stake in that -- my son-in-law is Jewish.

What can I say, Soy -- my heart bleeds for BOTH --those innocent Jewish children killed by those contemptible Hamas bombers -- and those innocent Palestinian children killed by that contemptible Nazi bomber.

I have two lovely -- ``jewish/muslim`` -- grand children -- my darlings -- the apples of my eyes --- I will give my life to protect my two little ones any time, anywhere.

And what else one can say about our Shrub and his Secretary of State -- the two student drivers with learnign permits -- crashing big in the Middle East -- all this could have been prevented -- if only ....

hasan

Reply #: 404 ylh

y do we waste so much time in understanding what Jihhah wanted Pakistan to be? Is it not ironic that in the same breath we say Jinnah wanted pakistan to be democratic? If so, then y care about what Jihhan wanted?

Pakistan should be what ppl of Pakistan wants it to be right now. Be it theocratic state of Jamaat islami type, Turkey`s type army-civilian coaltlition, or pure civilian democracy.

On side note, is there any foundating leader in the world who has left so much ambiguity about his goals and agneda (thru his deeds and statements)? If no, then there must be something fishy about his goals, right? Saying something in Uttar Perseh and Behar, and something else on western radios.

RE ylh # 434

``The affair between Nehru and Edwina was of political significance, and it greatly influenced the course of events, especially the pro-Congress tilt of that disgusting Mountbatten``

While you may be right on that account, I still don`t see any reason to to comment on the looks of a lady dead and gone.

Regards,

Subroto

raveena #433, ``...blah blah blah...how insipid can you get munchkin...

i have to match your staleness pumpkin

``is that what you`ve been doing dear?...is that why small children and animals have fits when you walk by?``

lame...so lame, i`m ashamed to even call you a foe, you need more substance than that sugar.

re: ylh

{{Theres going to be a huge march on Washington this Saturday morning. Call your local media outlets and ask them to be sure to cover it.If they don`t, write and call them and ask why they didn`t. Tell your friends and family to do the same. If you are against the siege and unwarranted brutality against the Israeli people, this is the least we can do.}}

...nice of you to support them, but if you had only heard some of peres`s thoughts on pakistan when he was in new york last fall for the UN meeting....actually, being the delusional fellow you are, you would`ve probably put your own spin on them to interpret exactly the opposite...

Hasanji,

The violence in europe seems to be cutting both ways.

``About 200-300 toughs from [Jewish right-wing organizations] Betar and the Jewish Defense League [JDL] attacked groups of demonstrators from Peace Now, and afterward attacked journalists and badly beat up Arab passersby who had no connection to the demonstration. One of those fascists used a knife to stab a police officer who tried to intervene.``

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=155182&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y