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#409 Posted by nasah on April 23, 2002 12:09:25 pm
Just as Osama bin Laden turned out to be the biggest ENEMY of the Muslims around the world -- Shameless Sh#ron is proving to be -- the biggest ENEMY of Jewish people -- around the world.
Here is a report on the sudden rise of anti semitism and Jew bashing around Europe from London to Kiev:
Synagogues burn as Europeans rage
By Al Webb
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
LONDON — A wave of anti-Jewish attacks — ranging from hate mail and graffiti to stoning, shotgun blasts, gasoline bombs and synagogue bombings — has swept Europe from Britain to Ukraine as the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians worsens in the Middle East.
A streak of anti-Semitism, never far beneath the surface of the Continent since World War II, re-erupted with the latest Palestinian ``intifada,`` or uprising, in September 2000 and has taken a particularly ugly turn with Israel`s campaign against Palestinian territories that started March 29.
In recent days, one synagogue in Marseille, France, has been doused in gasoline and burned to the ground; another in Lyon, France, was damaged in a car attack; a third, in Brussels, was firebombed; and a fourth, in Kiev, was attacked by 50 youths chanting, ``Kill the Jews,`` who then beat up a rabbi. An unidentified assailant hurled a stone through the window of another synagogue in southern Ukraine yesterday.
In Britain, which takes pride in a ``multicultural`` society, police have logged at least 15 anti-Jewish episodes this month, including eight physical assaults, synagogues daubed with racist slogans and hate mail sent to prominent figures among the nation`s 300,000 Jews.
The attacks prompted Jonathan Sacks, Britain`s chief rabbi, to say that ``anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe as a whole.`` He blamed Islamic extremists for ``whipping up`` sentiment against Jews in Britain and throughout the Continent.
But it is in France, where some 700,000 Jews and 4 million Muslims uneasily coexist, that the problem is particularly acute. The French Interior Ministry has recorded nearly 360 crimes against Jews and Jewish institutions in April alone, coinciding with the escalating violence between Israelis and Palestinians.
The destruction of the synagogue at Marseille was the sixth attack on a Jewish religious site in France in less than a week. In Lyon, 15 masked assailants smashed two cars into a synagogue and set it on fire. Other arsonists tried to set fire to a synagogue in Strasbourg, but the damage was minimal.
There were also attacks on Jewish citizens.
A man opened fire on a kosher butcher`s shop in a village near Toulouse. A Jewish school at Sarcelles, near Paris, was ransacked. Youths stoned one Jewish school bus and set fire to two others in Paris, and a gang waded into a team of Jewish soccer players, beating them with iron bars.
In Belgium, authorities blamed the increased tensions in the Middle East for the attack on the synagogue in the Anderlecht district of Brussels.
``There is really a climate of hostility, which is a result of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict being transposed into the most troubled district of our capital,`` said the local mayor, Jacques Simonet.
With one eye on the growing anti-Jewish violence and another on the 113th anniversary of Adolf Hitler`s birthday April 20, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which keeps track of neo-Nazi activities around the world, issued a travel advisory urging Jews to exercise ``extreme caution`` in traveling to France and Belgium.
In a telling reminder of the Holocaust, a synagogue in the German town of Herford was daubed with the words ``Six million were not enough`` — a reference to the 6 million Jews who died at the hands of Nazis during World War II.
The war did not eliminate anti-Jewish sentiment. Less than a year ago, a survey showed that 24 percent of all Austrians would ``prefer`` to live in a country without Jews. And even in supposedly neutral Switzerland, a survey reported by the BBC ``indicates that 16 percent of Swiss people are fundamentally anti-Semitic, while 60 percent have anti-Semitic views.``
In Lithuania, Jewish leaders on Friday reported a rise in anti-Semitism that they believe is related to the prospects that property seized from Jews before World War II will be returned to its original owners.
Prime Minister Algirdas Brazauskas asked the international Jewish community on Tuesday to select representatives to open talks with the government on the issue of property restitution,
Agence France-Presse reported. The extremist Freedom Union party then accused the government of ``groveling to Jews,`` while another group ripped up an Israeli flag at a protest the following day.
Meanwhile in France, 70 persons have been questioned and 16 jailed in the latest attacks on Jews and Jewish interests — violence that French authorities say has increased significantly since the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.
Even in Britain, attacks against Jews totaled 310 last year and 32 so far this year. One was an assault on a Jewish theological student, David Myers. He was reading a book of Psalms aboard a London bus when he was stabbed 27 times.
``If you talk long enough about killing Jews,`` said Rabbi Sacks, ``one day it will happen, God forbid.``(WT)
God forbid -- no more mini or mega Holocausts -- please -- Extremists of the World -- come to your senses -- you hurt the most -- your own -- when you hurt -- your ``enemies``.
Here is a report on the sudden rise of anti semitism and Jew bashing around Europe from London to Kiev:
Synagogues burn as Europeans rage
By Al Webb
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
LONDON — A wave of anti-Jewish attacks — ranging from hate mail and graffiti to stoning, shotgun blasts, gasoline bombs and synagogue bombings — has swept Europe from Britain to Ukraine as the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians worsens in the Middle East.
A streak of anti-Semitism, never far beneath the surface of the Continent since World War II, re-erupted with the latest Palestinian ``intifada,`` or uprising, in September 2000 and has taken a particularly ugly turn with Israel`s campaign against Palestinian territories that started March 29.
In recent days, one synagogue in Marseille, France, has been doused in gasoline and burned to the ground; another in Lyon, France, was damaged in a car attack; a third, in Brussels, was firebombed; and a fourth, in Kiev, was attacked by 50 youths chanting, ``Kill the Jews,`` who then beat up a rabbi. An unidentified assailant hurled a stone through the window of another synagogue in southern Ukraine yesterday.
In Britain, which takes pride in a ``multicultural`` society, police have logged at least 15 anti-Jewish episodes this month, including eight physical assaults, synagogues daubed with racist slogans and hate mail sent to prominent figures among the nation`s 300,000 Jews.
The attacks prompted Jonathan Sacks, Britain`s chief rabbi, to say that ``anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe as a whole.`` He blamed Islamic extremists for ``whipping up`` sentiment against Jews in Britain and throughout the Continent.
But it is in France, where some 700,000 Jews and 4 million Muslims uneasily coexist, that the problem is particularly acute. The French Interior Ministry has recorded nearly 360 crimes against Jews and Jewish institutions in April alone, coinciding with the escalating violence between Israelis and Palestinians.
The destruction of the synagogue at Marseille was the sixth attack on a Jewish religious site in France in less than a week. In Lyon, 15 masked assailants smashed two cars into a synagogue and set it on fire. Other arsonists tried to set fire to a synagogue in Strasbourg, but the damage was minimal.
There were also attacks on Jewish citizens.
A man opened fire on a kosher butcher`s shop in a village near Toulouse. A Jewish school at Sarcelles, near Paris, was ransacked. Youths stoned one Jewish school bus and set fire to two others in Paris, and a gang waded into a team of Jewish soccer players, beating them with iron bars.
In Belgium, authorities blamed the increased tensions in the Middle East for the attack on the synagogue in the Anderlecht district of Brussels.
``There is really a climate of hostility, which is a result of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict being transposed into the most troubled district of our capital,`` said the local mayor, Jacques Simonet.
With one eye on the growing anti-Jewish violence and another on the 113th anniversary of Adolf Hitler`s birthday April 20, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which keeps track of neo-Nazi activities around the world, issued a travel advisory urging Jews to exercise ``extreme caution`` in traveling to France and Belgium.
In a telling reminder of the Holocaust, a synagogue in the German town of Herford was daubed with the words ``Six million were not enough`` — a reference to the 6 million Jews who died at the hands of Nazis during World War II.
The war did not eliminate anti-Jewish sentiment. Less than a year ago, a survey showed that 24 percent of all Austrians would ``prefer`` to live in a country without Jews. And even in supposedly neutral Switzerland, a survey reported by the BBC ``indicates that 16 percent of Swiss people are fundamentally anti-Semitic, while 60 percent have anti-Semitic views.``
In Lithuania, Jewish leaders on Friday reported a rise in anti-Semitism that they believe is related to the prospects that property seized from Jews before World War II will be returned to its original owners.
Prime Minister Algirdas Brazauskas asked the international Jewish community on Tuesday to select representatives to open talks with the government on the issue of property restitution,
Agence France-Presse reported. The extremist Freedom Union party then accused the government of ``groveling to Jews,`` while another group ripped up an Israeli flag at a protest the following day.
Meanwhile in France, 70 persons have been questioned and 16 jailed in the latest attacks on Jews and Jewish interests — violence that French authorities say has increased significantly since the September 11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.
Even in Britain, attacks against Jews totaled 310 last year and 32 so far this year. One was an assault on a Jewish theological student, David Myers. He was reading a book of Psalms aboard a London bus when he was stabbed 27 times.
``If you talk long enough about killing Jews,`` said Rabbi Sacks, ``one day it will happen, God forbid.``(WT)
God forbid -- no more mini or mega Holocausts -- please -- Extremists of the World -- come to your senses -- you hurt the most -- your own -- when you hurt -- your ``enemies``.
#408 Posted by nasah on April 23, 2002 12:09:25 pm
Brave Burns -- burns SHAMELESS SH#RON`s pants.
````UN envoy stands by ``horrific`` reaction to Israel`s destruction
BEIRUT, APRIL 22 (AFP)
UN special envoy Terje Roed-Larsen said today ``any decent human being`` would have reacted the way he did, after his comments on the destruction in the Palestinian refugee camp of Jenin angered Israel.
``I think any decent human being with a heart would have reacted the same way and used similar words,`` Roed-Larsen told reporters after meeting here with Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri.
``I described what I saw.
I saw people with their bare hands digging deformed bodies out of that rubble,`` he said.
``I stand by what I said.``
Roed-Larsen visited the Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank on Thursday and described the destruction as
``totally unacceptable and horrific beyond belief.``
_______________________________________________
He said it was ``morally repugnant`` for Israel to have refused for 11 days after the battle finished to allow aid groups or rescue teams into the camp to search for people buried in the ruins.
_________________________________________________
Israel`s attorney general Elyakim Rubinstein has said the UN envoy could on legal grounds be declared persona non grata.
But Roed-Larsen said earlier today that his ``door is always open`` for any Israeli official.
``My door and my telephone line are always open for any representative of the Israeli government, including the Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,`` Roed-Larsen said.
``I am very pleased that the foreign minister of Israel, Shimon Peres, stated that there is no reason for declaring me persona non grata,`` he said.
``I am a friend of the Israeli people and the Arab people and I try to act in an honorable way in all my dealings with all the peoples in the region,`` he said.(AFP)
Bravo Burns -- that`s the way to treat that INGRATE TYRANT -- of a begging bowl client state -- surviving -- on OUR tax dollar CHARITY --of 5 billion anally.
In fact -- the whole Israeli cabinet -- including that -- Mousy Quisling and PEACE TRAITOR -- Shimon Peres -- should be declared persona non grata by the INS.
````UN envoy stands by ``horrific`` reaction to Israel`s destruction
BEIRUT, APRIL 22 (AFP)
UN special envoy Terje Roed-Larsen said today ``any decent human being`` would have reacted the way he did, after his comments on the destruction in the Palestinian refugee camp of Jenin angered Israel.
``I think any decent human being with a heart would have reacted the same way and used similar words,`` Roed-Larsen told reporters after meeting here with Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri.
``I described what I saw.
I saw people with their bare hands digging deformed bodies out of that rubble,`` he said.
``I stand by what I said.``
Roed-Larsen visited the Jenin refugee camp in the northern West Bank on Thursday and described the destruction as
``totally unacceptable and horrific beyond belief.``
_______________________________________________
He said it was ``morally repugnant`` for Israel to have refused for 11 days after the battle finished to allow aid groups or rescue teams into the camp to search for people buried in the ruins.
_________________________________________________
Israel`s attorney general Elyakim Rubinstein has said the UN envoy could on legal grounds be declared persona non grata.
But Roed-Larsen said earlier today that his ``door is always open`` for any Israeli official.
``My door and my telephone line are always open for any representative of the Israeli government, including the Prime Minister Ariel Sharon,`` Roed-Larsen said.
``I am very pleased that the foreign minister of Israel, Shimon Peres, stated that there is no reason for declaring me persona non grata,`` he said.
``I am a friend of the Israeli people and the Arab people and I try to act in an honorable way in all my dealings with all the peoples in the region,`` he said.(AFP)
Bravo Burns -- that`s the way to treat that INGRATE TYRANT -- of a begging bowl client state -- surviving -- on OUR tax dollar CHARITY --of 5 billion anally.
In fact -- the whole Israeli cabinet -- including that -- Mousy Quisling and PEACE TRAITOR -- Shimon Peres -- should be declared persona non grata by the INS.
#407 Posted by fawad79 on April 23, 2002 12:09:25 pm
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#406 Posted by sigalph235 on April 23, 2002 12:09:25 pm
re nasah 408
``The claim that only fighters were killed is simply not true -- a mixture of bodies were clearly civilians and combatants.``
No kidding Sherlock; it was war where the PLO terrorists were using civillians to shield themselves in homes, mosques, and public places; even the corpses were booby-trapped. Of course some civillians died. WHat is the point?
Amnesty`s claims will have more validity when it decides to investigate the crimes of the homicide bombers and the Syarians in Lebanon with the same vigor.
The problem with Israel sometimes is that it is too soft. Jenin is a hotbed for radicalism and Ramallah and Nablus are not far behind. A few public hangings of known militants in public squares would have sent the chilling message to the PLO/Hamas terror cowards. And that`s exactly what they are when they specifically target innocent civillians.
Bottomline is this: the only root cause of terrorism is a terrorist(Brian Mulroney).
``The claim that only fighters were killed is simply not true -- a mixture of bodies were clearly civilians and combatants.``
No kidding Sherlock; it was war where the PLO terrorists were using civillians to shield themselves in homes, mosques, and public places; even the corpses were booby-trapped. Of course some civillians died. WHat is the point?
Amnesty`s claims will have more validity when it decides to investigate the crimes of the homicide bombers and the Syarians in Lebanon with the same vigor.
The problem with Israel sometimes is that it is too soft. Jenin is a hotbed for radicalism and Ramallah and Nablus are not far behind. A few public hangings of known militants in public squares would have sent the chilling message to the PLO/Hamas terror cowards. And that`s exactly what they are when they specifically target innocent civillians.
Bottomline is this: the only root cause of terrorism is a terrorist(Brian Mulroney).
#405 Posted by scout on April 23, 2002 12:09:25 pm
Raveena #411,
awwwww, the little pumpkin is bitter...so cute
chotay logon ki choti khushiyan...
hmmm now where did i hear that one..
awwwww, the little pumpkin is bitter...so cute
chotay logon ki choti khushiyan...
hmmm now where did i hear that one..
#404 Posted by sigalph235 on April 23, 2002 12:09:25 pm
re semipreciouse 407
``why should someone, while lamenting about one tragedy, be compelled to decry another in order to ‘balance’ things out?``
One shouln`t have to. Your point is well taken. My argument, however, was perhaps misunderstood. Unless someone actually brings it up, it seems we reserve all the criticism for Israel, Jews, Zionists etc while forgetting what the Arabs and Muslims have done and are doing. That`s where I think the word `unfair` applies. Take Iraq for example. Saddam`s policies kill more Arabs of hunger everyday than the IDF kills a day; do we see any protest? No, we don`t. Because in the back of our minds we have just agreed that somehow an Arab killing an Arab is a bit more kosher than Israel killing PLO terrorists. What Israel probably needs to do is emphasize that a large part of its army is non-Jewish. In fact, the head of IDF`s Home Command is a Druze Muslim general(`oh but they`re heretics` is likely to be the mullah response to that one)
``why should someone, while lamenting about one tragedy, be compelled to decry another in order to ‘balance’ things out?``
One shouln`t have to. Your point is well taken. My argument, however, was perhaps misunderstood. Unless someone actually brings it up, it seems we reserve all the criticism for Israel, Jews, Zionists etc while forgetting what the Arabs and Muslims have done and are doing. That`s where I think the word `unfair` applies. Take Iraq for example. Saddam`s policies kill more Arabs of hunger everyday than the IDF kills a day; do we see any protest? No, we don`t. Because in the back of our minds we have just agreed that somehow an Arab killing an Arab is a bit more kosher than Israel killing PLO terrorists. What Israel probably needs to do is emphasize that a large part of its army is non-Jewish. In fact, the head of IDF`s Home Command is a Druze Muslim general(`oh but they`re heretics` is likely to be the mullah response to that one)
#403 Posted by nasah on April 22, 2002 6:45:05 pm
````makes me wonder if there will ever come a day when we’ll have mullahs chanting, freedom, yes. suicide bombings, no.````
Precious:
That will be the day.
Palestinians have two enemies -- murderous Sharonites, without -- and murderous Hamas, within.
The two enemies of Palestinian people have brought nothing but devatstation to the Palestinian community -- but have SERVED EACH OTHER -- well.
Sharonite Nazis have made Hamas respectable in the eyes of the oppressed and humiliated Palestinians -- and Hamas bombers have resurrected a DESPICABLE PARIAH -- from the DUNGEONS OF DISGRACE to the PINNACLE of prime ministership.
The two extremists are each other`s BEST FRIENDS.
Sharon knows it -- that`s why he seldom mentions Hamas -- his wrath is all for the moderate secular Arafat.
Precious:
That will be the day.
Palestinians have two enemies -- murderous Sharonites, without -- and murderous Hamas, within.
The two enemies of Palestinian people have brought nothing but devatstation to the Palestinian community -- but have SERVED EACH OTHER -- well.
Sharonite Nazis have made Hamas respectable in the eyes of the oppressed and humiliated Palestinians -- and Hamas bombers have resurrected a DESPICABLE PARIAH -- from the DUNGEONS OF DISGRACE to the PINNACLE of prime ministership.
The two extremists are each other`s BEST FRIENDS.
Sharon knows it -- that`s why he seldom mentions Hamas -- his wrath is all for the moderate secular Arafat.
#402 Posted by nasah on April 22, 2002 6:45:05 pm
Amnesty calls for war crimes probe over Jenin
MONDAY, APRIL 22, 2002
LONDON: Amnesty International on Monday called for an international war crimes probe into the events surrounding the recent Israeli incursion into Jenin, following a recent fact-finding mission to the West Bank town.
``We have concluded that very serious breaches of international law were committed, and we are talking here of war crimes,`` said Amnesty delegate Javier Zuniga, who visited Jenin last week as part of a three-day survey by the human rights group.
A second Amnesty delegate, Derrick Pounder, added: ``The claim that only fighters were killed is simply not true -- a mixture of bodies were clearly civilians and combatants.``
_____________________________________________
He said what was needed was ``the same type of investigation as in the Balkans.``
______________________________________________
MONDAY, APRIL 22, 2002
LONDON: Amnesty International on Monday called for an international war crimes probe into the events surrounding the recent Israeli incursion into Jenin, following a recent fact-finding mission to the West Bank town.
``We have concluded that very serious breaches of international law were committed, and we are talking here of war crimes,`` said Amnesty delegate Javier Zuniga, who visited Jenin last week as part of a three-day survey by the human rights group.
A second Amnesty delegate, Derrick Pounder, added: ``The claim that only fighters were killed is simply not true -- a mixture of bodies were clearly civilians and combatants.``
_____________________________________________
He said what was needed was ``the same type of investigation as in the Balkans.``
______________________________________________
#401 Posted by rsaxena on April 22, 2002 6:45:05 pm
re: spout
{{Israel is using it`s power unjustly}}
you mean ``its`` YOU idiot
as someone recently said, ``ahhh,,,i luv it ;) that was too easy``
{{Israel is using it`s power unjustly}}
you mean ``its`` YOU idiot
as someone recently said, ``ahhh,,,i luv it ;) that was too easy``
#400 Posted by AAmir on April 22, 2002 6:45:05 pm
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#399 Posted by semipreciousme on April 22, 2002 2:00:31 pm
sigalph235
``And where was your conscience about `Nazi` atrocities when Assad`s Muslim army buldozed and entire Muslim city and buried its entire population under the rubble?”
….with all do respect, i think this is unfair…why should someone, while lamenting about one tragedy, be compelled to decry another in order to ‘balance’ things out?…by this, i’d take it that you agree with omar sheikh when he whines about how everyone feels sorry that daniel pearl died but don’t shed a tear over all the muslims being killed everyday…and i know you’d rather die before agreeing with scum like that:)….what is wrong is wrong….what assad did was WRONG and what sharon was/is doing is WRONG….
nasasaab # 396
“But one group that stood out was a New York-based contingent of Neturei Karta — Orthodox Jews who condemn Zionism. With their trademark beards, long curls and black hats, members of the contingent repeatedly held hands with leaders of World`s the pro-Palestinian march, launching the chant:
``Jewish people, yes. Zionism, no!``
….makes me wonder if there will ever come a day when we’ll have mullahs chanting, freedom, yes. suicide bombings, no.
``And where was your conscience about `Nazi` atrocities when Assad`s Muslim army buldozed and entire Muslim city and buried its entire population under the rubble?”
….with all do respect, i think this is unfair…why should someone, while lamenting about one tragedy, be compelled to decry another in order to ‘balance’ things out?…by this, i’d take it that you agree with omar sheikh when he whines about how everyone feels sorry that daniel pearl died but don’t shed a tear over all the muslims being killed everyday…and i know you’d rather die before agreeing with scum like that:)….what is wrong is wrong….what assad did was WRONG and what sharon was/is doing is WRONG….
nasasaab # 396
“But one group that stood out was a New York-based contingent of Neturei Karta — Orthodox Jews who condemn Zionism. With their trademark beards, long curls and black hats, members of the contingent repeatedly held hands with leaders of World`s the pro-Palestinian march, launching the chant:
``Jewish people, yes. Zionism, no!``
….makes me wonder if there will ever come a day when we’ll have mullahs chanting, freedom, yes. suicide bombings, no.
#398 Posted by scout on April 22, 2002 2:00:31 pm
precious #385,
i`ve stopped watching American news....not worth it...even the BBC is better than Fox news and other BS news channels
besides, the whole Palestine/Israeli conflict is such a depressing scene especially if we can`t do anything about it.....which makes me kind of understand what the Palestinians must feel when they blow themselves up.....if you have nothing to live for, how valuable is your life and others` lives? i have to agree with saminashah there....
and i disagree with Suxena....because fighting bullets against stones doesn`t make for fair game....in that sense, Israel is using it`s power unjustly
i blame that monster Sharon for propagating the mess to this scale....it was always bad, but he made it worse, much worse
i`ve stopped watching American news....not worth it...even the BBC is better than Fox news and other BS news channels
besides, the whole Palestine/Israeli conflict is such a depressing scene especially if we can`t do anything about it.....which makes me kind of understand what the Palestinians must feel when they blow themselves up.....if you have nothing to live for, how valuable is your life and others` lives? i have to agree with saminashah there....
and i disagree with Suxena....because fighting bullets against stones doesn`t make for fair game....in that sense, Israel is using it`s power unjustly
i blame that monster Sharon for propagating the mess to this scale....it was always bad, but he made it worse, much worse
#397 Posted by ylh on April 22, 2002 2:00:31 pm
tahmed 399,
Thankyou sir :)
You are my kinda guy (without the `gandhian` part that is)
Stuka,
I apologize for using the words `stupidly` and `foolishly`... I was writing several replies at the same time, and I accorded inappropriate level of hostile attention to you when I was replying to tvarad and audio-video-radio on the other board.
-YLH
#396 Posted by tahmed321 on April 21, 2002 8:29:04 pm
Stuka #388 On Pakistan and secularism - the one-fifth of the Pakistan flag is white, which represents minorities. A fact ignored by the religious bigots in Pakistan. Religious bigots became powerful in Pakistan due to their influence within the military. That influence, never unchallenged within the military, has had of course a severe setback after 9/11. History will treat the attempt of the mullah to seize power in Pakistan as a footnote in history. And the true Republic of Pakistan (without the ``Islamic`` part), a normal country that separates the mullah from power of the state that he so badly craves, will emerge.
#395 Posted by ylh on April 21, 2002 8:29:04 pm
If it upsets people so much.. I withdraw the Word secular...
Jinnah wanted a Democratic, egalitarian, impartial, modern, progressive, law abiding and libertarian Pakistan where freedom of expression freedom of religion and freedom of conscience was fully protected by Law..
To hell with the Word Secular if creates so many problems... I will rather say 7 adjectives each with equal forceful effect.
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