Beena Sarwar May 12, 2002
#5 Posted by Godot on May 13, 2002 12:41:16 pm
I beleive an America-based think tank, before 9/11, gave Pakistan about 15 years max to survive.
If Musharraf does not heed what the Pakistani people, and the press, are saying, he will finish off Pakistan in 5 years. How sad.
If Musharraf does not heed what the Pakistani people, and the press, are saying, he will finish off Pakistan in 5 years. How sad.
#3 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 13, 2002 12:41:16 pm
Fauzism, ZABism, BBsm, democracy, sultanshai, 2.5 years of Generalsahibism we have and all isms are tried. What pakistan never tried is religious REAL ISLAMIC rule. They are blamed for everything and used and misused and abused by all otherrs.This time to give chance to pure Islam atleast once free from American bosses. Let not blame religious parties , they may not be good but that is only type not tried. Let have run for Pure islamic Chhap rule for change.
#2 Posted by ylh on May 13, 2002 12:41:16 pm
Bina Sarwar,
A Great article as always:
``The `religious` (religio-political) lobby which initially opposed the very creation of Pakistan has since 1947 been engaged in trying to appropriate the country according to their own narrow vision - although, as Justices Munir and Kiyani observed in their straightforward report, no two learned divines could agree on the fundamental of what it meant to be a Muslim. The twelve years under Gen. Ziaul Haq, while not solely accountable for the slide into their wicket, played a significant part in strengthening their lobby. A part in this slide was played by those have tried to censor the founder of the nation Mr Jinnah`s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on Aug 11, 1947, in which he stressed that citizens of Pakistan would be free to go their places of worship, and that this would have nothing to do with the business of the state.``
Very accurate...
``The slide downwards was further accelerated by those who pushed through the Objectives Resolution, declared Islam to be the `state religion` (forgetting that it is people who have religion, not states)``
Again well said... though one correction, horrible as the objectives resolution was, it didn`t declare Islam to be the state religion. Islam became the state religion in 1973`s constitution.
A Great article as always:
``The `religious` (religio-political) lobby which initially opposed the very creation of Pakistan has since 1947 been engaged in trying to appropriate the country according to their own narrow vision - although, as Justices Munir and Kiyani observed in their straightforward report, no two learned divines could agree on the fundamental of what it meant to be a Muslim. The twelve years under Gen. Ziaul Haq, while not solely accountable for the slide into their wicket, played a significant part in strengthening their lobby. A part in this slide was played by those have tried to censor the founder of the nation Mr Jinnah`s address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on Aug 11, 1947, in which he stressed that citizens of Pakistan would be free to go their places of worship, and that this would have nothing to do with the business of the state.``
Very accurate...
``The slide downwards was further accelerated by those who pushed through the Objectives Resolution, declared Islam to be the `state religion` (forgetting that it is people who have religion, not states)``
Again well said... though one correction, horrible as the objectives resolution was, it didn`t declare Islam to be the state religion. Islam became the state religion in 1973`s constitution.
#1 Posted by temporal on May 13, 2002 10:02:32 am
Beena:
Welcome back:) … this is a conditional welcome!
[…General is, or was, uniquely placed to cut the umbilical ties that have long bound the Pakistani establishment with the militant `Islamic` groups that are behind the current wave of terror in the country….]
…these umbilical ties have to be cut…in that you have my full agreement…with a caveat…my concept of the umbilical connections are perhaps lightly different…on one end are the people of pakistan BUT…the other end of this umbilical chord is the ‘occupying’ army…
…I for one want NO part of this occupying force in the political affairs of the country…obviously as a disenfranchised expatriot I cannot do much but articulate a need for this to happen…
…but am hopeful and am bolstered by the pseudo referendum and the way things are going…this anachronism has to end and the way events are unfolding hopefully shall lead to that much needed anarchy…
…it is a pity indeed that things have come so far that some like me would hope for the fires of anarchy…out of the ashes of any new order that emerges HAVE to be better…AND certainly they cannot be worse than what we have had for the past many years…
…in conclusion you say […This control it can only wrest back if the man at the helm of affairs sees the larger picture and takes firm steps to consolidate the process that he had begun….]
…my response…GOD FORBID! …we need army or its cohorts in the affairs of the state as much as the unfortunate camp dwellers in gujrat need retirement financial planning right now.
love,
t
Welcome back:) … this is a conditional welcome!
[…General is, or was, uniquely placed to cut the umbilical ties that have long bound the Pakistani establishment with the militant `Islamic` groups that are behind the current wave of terror in the country….]
…these umbilical ties have to be cut…in that you have my full agreement…with a caveat…my concept of the umbilical connections are perhaps lightly different…on one end are the people of pakistan BUT…the other end of this umbilical chord is the ‘occupying’ army…
…I for one want NO part of this occupying force in the political affairs of the country…obviously as a disenfranchised expatriot I cannot do much but articulate a need for this to happen…
…but am hopeful and am bolstered by the pseudo referendum and the way things are going…this anachronism has to end and the way events are unfolding hopefully shall lead to that much needed anarchy…
…it is a pity indeed that things have come so far that some like me would hope for the fires of anarchy…out of the ashes of any new order that emerges HAVE to be better…AND certainly they cannot be worse than what we have had for the past many years…
…in conclusion you say […This control it can only wrest back if the man at the helm of affairs sees the larger picture and takes firm steps to consolidate the process that he had begun….]
…my response…GOD FORBID! …we need army or its cohorts in the affairs of the state as much as the unfortunate camp dwellers in gujrat need retirement financial planning right now.
love,
t
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