Confessions of a BJP Supporter

Ref nasah #: 269

[````I met a South Indian scientist living in southern California for the last 30 years.....He would like to cleanse India of all Muslims.````(harimau)

How nice!

what a ``scientist``! -- and what a ``south indian``! -- and what an august -- intellectually stimulating -- COMPANY you keet, my dear harimau miaN -- no wonder.]

You don`t get the point, do you?

Someone with no firsthand suffering during Partition, someone who has not even lived in India for 30 years, somebody with a record of accomplishments in his chosen field of research, feels that Muslims should be expelled from India.

You can dismiss him a syet anothyer Shockley, only this time from India.

Or you can try to understand why integration of Muslims into Indian society seems not to have worked for the dirt-poor Muslims, some of whom take to thuggery and set off bombs in Coimbatore, far removed from any Hindu-Muslim violence.

You can then try to understand BJP`s appeal across 12000 miles to people like him.

harimau #264 you answer my question with a question. That shows what a half-brained cockeyed piece of hindutva manure you are.

Ref nasah #: 269

[By the way have you met -- some North Indians on Chowk -- like, Shammi, Prem, Pankaj, Dost-mitter, soysauce, and many others -- you may like to seek THEIR company now -- suhbate saleh tora saleh kunud -- may do you some good.]

The trouble with you, nasah, is that you don`t like to face up to facts.

Right now I am reading ``Prejudice and Pride``, a book on how the history of Partition is taught and viewed on both sides of the border. This is written by Prof. Krishna Kumar of Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi and published in 2001. Quite recent and not an ancient book, one would think.

Prof. Kumar found that the students at JNU think India is a Hindu country. Let me quote from page 35:

``A remarkable and frequent line of questioning pursued by my students wonders that if Pakistan is an Islamic state, how can India be a secular state? The logic of this question is purely arithmetical, namely, if Muslims broke India in 1947 to establish their own nation, surely what was left must be a primarily Hindu country. This neat conclusion does not allow the presence of a substantial Muslim population in India to be used as a sufficient reason for reconsideration. The point that India is a pluralist society, structurally in favor of religio-cultural diversity, finds appreciation only among a limited few of my university-level students. Many instinctively refer to Pakistan, saying that if India were truly pluralist, there would be no need for Pakistan. This fundamental position enables them to ask why India cannot be described as a country of the Hindus when Pakistan openly calls itself a home of the Muslims. Thus, they come back to the original doubt -- that secularism is a rhetorical device to win a political game. The name of the game, they say, is `vote banks`.

Undoubtedly, this kind of argument is partly a reflection of the general cynicism that educated youth feel towards politicians. The institution of elections has been seriously discredited in the eyes of the educated youth. Though disenchantment with politics is articulated in sharper terms by those who have attended English-medium schools, it is a general phenomenon. Young people use their awaremess of `vote banks` to debunk the value-foundations of the state, including secularism. Such extended use of the `vote banks` theory has other implications as well. Just as the vote bank of the Muslim minority requires the policy of secularism to cover it, the vote bank of the lower-caste population requires the high-sounding policy of social justice to hide it -- so goes a popular argument. Indeed, one may well wonder which state policy the educated youth of the urban middle class detest more -- secularism or reservation?....``

So much for your opinion of how North India has finally come out of its Islamo-phobia while South Indians are acquiring it. Read that quote again. It is the English-educated urban middle class that feels that secularism is vote-banks politics. Not some poor bhaiyya from UP. In fact, I will bet 10 to 1 that the UP bhaiyya is more in favor of secularism, and that too instinctively.

As to that thayoli Soy Sauce, he is from Tamil Nadu, the ultimate in vote bank politics. He has gotten his professional education because of his caste, he has got no frikking brains to talk about, and he and his cohorts are for continuation of vote bank politics. His benefactors, the DMK, ran Nagore Hanifa, a Muslim, in yesterday`s by-election in Vaniyambadi where Muslims are a large population and form the critical vote bank. I don`t need this mufukka`s company or crapola advice on any matter, least of all, on appeasement of minorities of any kind. When this goddamn mufukka has the ba!!s to say there is no Allah -- just like he is saying there is no Rama or Krishna -- then he is in a position to tell me that he is secular. When this a$$hole campaigns against reservations, then he can claim to be above vote-bank politics. In the treatment of the forward communities, if the DMK has not built crematoria for burning people alive, that is because the world will look askance at that. Short of that, Soy Sauce and Co are nothing but Nazi stormtroopers. Fcuk them, I say!

PS. Nagore Hanifa lost the elction. The Muslims of Vaniyambadi voted in favor of the ADMK candidate. Jayalalitha had the ba!!s to run a Hindu as her candidate and he won. That is secularism in action for you.

PPS. Hey mufukka Soy Sauce. Do you know that if you want to be admitted to ADMK, you need to prostrate yourself in front of Jayalalitha? It warms the cockles of my heart to see you doing that. You know, that was the complaint of Doctor Artist Leader, that lower-caste people had to prostrate themselves in front of a brahmin. It is nice to know that, after 70 years of anti-Brahmin propaganda, you have revived the tradition and are prostrating yourself in front a brahmin woman. So much for your Self-Respect Movement!

Nag #268

This kid was in Chicago for the millennium time capsule project (youngest photographer) and there were loud happy wah-wah sounds in the indian US community and press about him. I remembered the name and that he had been from Springdales (one of our traditional rivals in school) I went to Army Public School (Dhaula Kuan, N.Delhi) & Delhi Public School (Mathura Road, N.Delhi) - bahut saal pehle ki baat hai :)

Sad what the fella`s project is now - but we need young eyes like his to awaken people to evil amongst us.

Another link for Master Sahir

http://www.smashing.com/millenniumphoto/english/exhibit_chicago_opens.html

Wonder if the traffic on the Panchkuan Rd/Ridge Rd/Pusa Road roundell (where Springdales is) is still as bad - and what does the famous AMUL billboard say ... ?

````I met a South Indian scientist living in southern California for the last 30 years.....He would like to cleanse India of all Muslims.````(harimau)

How nice!

what a ``scientist``! -- and what a ``south indian``! -- and what an august -- intellectually stimulating -- COMPANY you keet, my dear harimau miaN -- no wonder.

there was a time when we Northerners -- and Northeasterners -- in India felt so wretched and ashamed -- after 1947 -- used to envy South so much -- for their education, sophistication, communal harmony -- for peace and tranquility -- no riots, -- some caste discrimination may be -- but little religious bigotry!!

We used to wish – if we could saw off Punjab, Delhi, UP, Bihar and Bengal -- push them either in the Bay of Bengal or in the Indian Ocean -- then dig and transplant Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu in our cleaner Indo- Gangetic plains.

Not any anymore -- NOW from your posts it looks like -- the tables have turned -- now it`s South`s turn to look wretched and shameful.

now the South of such “PURE” scientists with such ``PURE`` ideas – if things don’t get better than THIS -- may need to be sawed off and pushed back floating -- beyond Kala Pani -- beyond diego garcia -- into the far corners Indian Ocean.

By the way have you met -- some North Indians on Chowk -- like, Shammi, Prem, Pankaj, Dost-mitter, soysauce, and many others -- you may like to seek THEIR company now -- suhbate saleh tora saleh kunud -- may do you some good.

Nasah

You are one of the kindest hearts I have come across. Amongst innumerable Hindus/Muslims/Indians/Pakis you are a humanist. Never let your flame of faith in the goodness of humanity extinguish. `Coz when it does life will not be worth living any more. My prayers are with you Sir. Amen

Harimau

``I was talking to an elderly gentleman in his 70s in Bombay. We are talking about a person with a PhD from the USA, a consultant to an international organization who in fact had just returned from a trip to Bangkok so we are not talking about some ignoramus. He felt that Gujarat was instigated by Pak agents since Pakistanis don`t believe Hindus and Muslims can live together and they wanted to prove it. So that is ONE belief that is current in India``

I dont care who instigated Gujrat, Pak or otherwise. What frightens me is what happened afterwards. What happened puts ALL OF US to shame. How can one human be so full of hatred against another. AND DONT FORGET THAT THE MUSLIMS WHO SUFFERED WERE NOT CULPRITS(GODHRA?) BUT AHMEDABAD MUSLIMS. I pray to you Sir, in the name of humanity, I appeal to your conscience, please do NOT support the murderers. There is NO MINORITY APPEASEMENT in India. All some p-secs did was appeasement of certain fundamentalist sections to gain votes. And innocent Muslims have paid for it. Dont debase yourself to subhuman level, I appeal to the goodness inside you.

Ref Akash #: 262

[Nasah#250

I suspect Harimau had some connection with RSS at some time. Look how all these RSS veterans raise the bogey of ``minority appeasement`` to justify their bigoted ideas.]

Who is the real fascist here? You who cannot tolerate opinions that you do not like to see aired or me who has done more to help people in a real sense in India without worrying about that person`s background?

Ref nasah #: 260

[Then what kind of mood is your India right now -- burning minorities alive?]

Let me further answer this.

I met a South Indian scientist living in southern California for the last 30 years. A man who had no direct first-hand experience with the 1947 Partition riots and thus has no reason to hate Muslims as a whole. He would like to cleanse India of all Muslims. Romair likes to think that South Indians have Vulcan-like logic. Well, I guess this Vulcan`s logic is that Muslims have their own countries in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Another couple of South Indians are all for a nuclear war with Pakistan. I guess their logic is: better to take 30 nukes now than take 300 nukes 5 years from now. One can`t argue with that. In fact, a nuclear war should have been fought in 1989 when Pakistan might have had 3 untested nukes.

One South Indian in US I know is raising money to train and send out Hindu ``Dharm Veers`` who would evangelize among the Hindus to ensure that they don`t convert to Christianity. He is incensed that in his town, one local church raised a million dollars for conversion activities in India.

These are little snapshots of what people are thinking.

Do you now understand what I mean when I say nobody is in a mood to appease any minorities?

Naganatheshwar #254

Read more about young Sahir at his schools website

(Springdales, Dhaula Kuan N. Delhi)

http://www.springdales.com/in_showcase.htm

Ref Mullah321 #: 261

[harimau #255 Did you wash your face yet, like I suggested in my previous post?]

Did you get your radiation suit from Allah yet?

Ref nasah #: 260

[````Nobody in India is in a mood to appease any minority anymore````(harimau)

Then what kind of mood is your India right now -- burning minorities alive?]

Nope. They just don`t want any whiney ``leaders``, whether they belong to the Muslim League, Congress, Telugu Desam Party or the Communist Party of India (Marxist) crying buckets over ``Muslim rights``. Is anybody crying over ``Christian rights`` or ``Jain rights`` or, for that matter, ``Hindu rights``? Nope. So, the attitude is: get on with life.

As for the mood in Madras, nobody gives a damn about Pakistan, its nuclear threat, or Gujarat. The Anti-Hindu publishes articles daily about the culpability of Hindus in the Gujarat riots and nobody cares.

I was talking to an elderly gentleman in his 70s in Bombay. We are talking about a person with a PhD from the USA, a consultant to an international organization who in fact had just returned from a trip to Bangkok so we are not talking about some ignoramus. He felt that Gujarat was instigated by Pak agents since Pakistanis don`t believe Hindus and Muslims can live together and they wanted to prove it. So that is ONE belief that is current in India.

As I returned from work this afternoon, there were two guys on a motorcycle with the name `Basheer` painted on the rearview mirror. They were unafraid that someone might catch them and set them alight. From the name, I would think that they are Muslims so Muslims seem not to worry too much in this part of the country.

[Tell me harimau honestly -- are you a family member of the sangh parivar? -- because the rhetoric sounds familiar.]

Funny you should ask. Just as I am typing this reply, my niece gets a call from her friend and I ask for her name when I answer the phone. It is Rashida. No, I was not shocked that my niece would have a Muslima friend close enough to call her at home.

Our Muslim driver moved out of the room attached to our garage to his own rented home last week and my mom went to his place at his request and did the South Indian moving-in ceremony of ceremoniously heating up the first pot of milk and offering it to the gods and sharing it with all those present. We of course had great fun at our mom`s expense because my mom doesn`t eat/drink outside of the house and yet did not decline the driver`s request! This is the driver whose children`s (one daughter, one son) education we are taking care of. He feels guilty that the other driver (who is a Hindu) doesn`t get this benefit (well, his kid isn`t doing as well in school) and asked whether he could request us to support only his daughter and pay for the other guy`s son`s education. Our earlier Muslim driver called to thank us for getting his son a job as a software engineer at Rs. 7500 per month salary. Again, we had partially funded that kid`s education so he could get a degree in engineering and get moving upward on the socio-economic ladder. We don`t care what your name is. We feel obligated to do something to help others when we have the financial ability to do so and when the other party shows they deserve such support. I only wish that ALL the Muslims of India show the same dedication to studies that our drivers` children have shown because that is proof that you can get ahead on your own without waiting for some crumbs from some lousy politicians.

Nasah#250

I suspect Harimau had some connection with RSS at some time. Look how all these RSS veterans raise the bogey of ``minority appeasement`` to justify their bigoted ideas.

harimau #255 Did you wash your face yet, like I suggested in my previous post?

````Nobody in India is in a mood to appease any minority anymore````(harimau)

Then what kind of mood is your India right now -- burning minorities alive?

Tell me harimau honestly -- are you a family member of the sangh parivar? -- because the rhetoric sounds familiar.