Lighting The Nuclear Fire

soysause @229:

[Interestingly, these tests have not only demonstrated the effectiveness of Pakistan`s missile technology; the names given to these missiles are full of symbolism.]

sheesh... how even the names expose the fact that our south-asian mindset is still stuck in the moghul era... why can`t we have such (modern !) names like Miandad (who dispatched another chauhan out of the arena) and Shastri (to symbolize the no use policy... errrr... no first use, i mean) ???

soyaoil

``The next indian missile should be Advani. It will be dual-use, terrorizing the pak establishment and ridding india of a highly-placed thug..``

the next pakistani missile should then be called altafhussainqaziwajidnmushybaybeeehinthaair..that way we`ll be rid of our scum and be done once n for all with u damn injuns (very powerful missile this) sar mae dard kya hoa hae

DRUMZ @291:

[MOST, nearly ALL, chowk posters are idiots of the highest degree (because they actually think they are smart).]

but aren`t fair number of them are flooding the boards with borrowed opinion ? we had just mohajir (reincarnated as progressive ??) doing it earlier... seems now there is a huge infiltration into the spam team...

Roedad Khan in Dawn

``A year later, I was relocated and posted to Peshawar where I met Morarji Desai, finance minister of India. He was visiting Pakistan as a guest of the government. On arrival in Peshawar, Morarji expressed a desire to pay a courtesy call on Abdul Ghaffar Khan. I was asked to make necessary arrangements and escort him to Utmanzai.

On the way to Utmanzai, Morarji asked me how the freedom-loving Pukhtuns had reacted to the imposition of Martial Law. This triggered a lively discussion. ``Was it for this``, Morarji asked, ``that your people fought so tenaciously? You thought you had found freedom on August 14, 1947. But hasn`t it turned out to be another kind of slavery? Were all Mr. Jinnah`s brave words and deeds to end in this? Don`t you feel cheated and betrayed? I feel sorry for you. Your future looks very grim to me``.

``Until recently, we were all Indians``, I replied. ``We are as good and as bad as Indians are. We all share the same weaknesses. You are not much better than us. We have martial law today. You will have it tomorrow``?

Morarji reacted sharply: ``No general dare impose martial law in India``, he retorted. ``And if he does, Morarji will be the first to face the Indian bullet``. On this grim note, the conversation ended. We had reached Utmanzai.

More than 40 years have passed since that thought-provoking conversation, but Morarji`s words still ring in my ears and haunt me to this day. Like all prophecies, Morarji`s predictions embodied a good deal of wishful thinking, but the fact remains that he was not far wrong.

Every now and then, I ponder over what Morarji had to say and wonder why no member of our National Assembly or Senator is prepared to face the Pakistani bullet or make any sacrifice in defence of our political institutions or our fledgling democracy. Isn`t it a sad commentary on our chosen representatives that when honour calls, they all abandon the ship and swim ashore to safety?``

WORLD OF IMRAN KHAN,

The other day I happen to see a documentary on pak jihadists compered by imran khan. He was critical of IMF, accused them of neo colonialism, and informed the world that 70 percent of pak revenue goes to repay debt. In general, IMF low income country loans are 2 percent interest, 10 year grace period and 20 years to repay. Even that kind of money, pakis could not put to some use.

Then there was scene of one teacher in a school, teaching children of different age groups, and he says that is why education in pakistan so bad. Here is a news for you, in kerala in the 60s, this type of schools were very common, taking education to the people, that was the slogan, and many of the highly educated of today are from those ``ekadhyapka vidhyalayams``

The most striking view from this doc was about the jihadists. He showed some of the poor villageres, emaciated, then to the jihadists, and they were well dressed and well fed.

The most heartening news was that some in the pak military are talking of values higher that decipline. A jihadic revolution may not be that far.

STATISTICS,

aT LAST INDIANS ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ONLY NUMBER THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IN ANY JIHADIC FRONTIER, the kill ratios. From hindustan times of today

&K kill ratio up, but costs pinch

Vishal Thapar





The kill ratio in the protracted counter-insurgency operations in Jammu and Kashmir is now 12:1 in favour of the Indian Army. This implies that for every Armyman killed, the number of insurgent-terrorists neutralised is 12.

Statistically, this is the most favourable indicator of Army dominance since the militancy erupted in 1989. It is also a measure of the Army`s professional skill, and adaptation to a role which it is not primarily trained to take on.

But Pakistan is making sure that this role gets more difficult. It`s raising the military profile of the terrorists it trains and equips to strike in J&K. They are being equipped with sophisticated weaponry and trained to assault and hold territory like infantry columns.

The preened-up militants have shown a greater tendency to attack para-military forces, which don`t have the same firepower and combat culture as the Army. This has blunted the superiority enjoyed by security forces, pulling down the overall kill ratio to 5.76:1.

Till May 27 this year, a total of 737 terrorists have been killed. The casualties suffered by the security forces is 128. Last year, 2020 terrorists, including 625 foreigners, were killed, the largest number slain in the 12-year militancy.

But is a 12:1 or 5:1 ratio acceptable? According to Army intelligence reports, local militants are being hired for as little as Rs 3,000 a month. That is an indicator of the cost of the proxy war to the perpetrators.

However, the cost India pays for a soldier’s death is much more. Even with a 5:1 edge, the proportional damage inflicted on India is greater. Also, the Army – the spearhead of the counter-insurgency operations – is not trained or oriented for a prolonged guerilla situation, which runs down its combat ability.

A decision on the current military stand-off could well hinge around an assessment of how long India can live with this and pay the costs.

Rommel busters

EVERYTHING IN A NAME,

The names ghouri, gaznavi are in the minds of every pakistani, part of their history education, part of the violent and barbaric heritage. That is what one can see in the history taught to pak children, how to identify hindus, the very knowledge that helped the gznavis. The naming of the missiles is only a final exression of the value system of the pakistanis.

Has any pakistani heard of abdus salam, no, even when the international institute of physics wanted to create a theoretical physics centre in pakistan, the rulers refused. Today the abdus salam centre for theoretical physics is in Italy, the ghouris and gazvavis are every day words in pak news, the name of the missiles aimed at india. This talks volumes about the pak mind set, the mind set of the rulers, the elites, the rich, the military men, the politicians, the mums and dads.

es, Pakistan Has Tactical Nukes``

``Yes, Pakistan Has Tactical Nukes``

Source: Outlook India

Comment: http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20020610&fname=cover+story+%28F%29&sid=3

TERVIEW ``Yes, Pakistan Has Tactical Nukes`` TERVIEW ``Yes, Pakistan Has Tactical Nukes`` Lt Gen D.B. Shekatkar (retd) on Pakistan`s TNWs and the options before us. Lt Gen D.B. Shekatkar, former additional director-general, military operations, and additional director-general, perspective planning (covering among other things nuclear doctrine and planning), retired from the army on March 31 this year. In addition to the two postings, he has also been a divisional commander in Kashmir, a corps commander in the northeast and commandant of the prestigious Infantry School. Excerpts from an interview to Outlook: The army top brass is worried about Pakistan threatening to use a nuclear weapon and say this should not be treated casually. What is your perception? I agree that the repeated assertions by the Pakistanis on this count should not be taken lightly. Does Pakistan possess a tactical nuclear weapon? Yes, it does and we should be ready to counter it. Is Pakistan capable of using a tactical nuclear weapon? Yes, it is. In the army, when we deal with the nuclear aspect and future planning, we have always taken the tactical nuclear weapon factor into account when dealing with Pakistan. There is this theory among various nuclear analysts that Pakistan does not possess the technology to miniaturise a nuclear weapon, leave alone having a weapons delivery system... With due respect, there is vast difference between academic research and ground realities. The series of missiles supplied to Pakistan by China and North Korea are capable of carrying a tactical nuclear weapon. China also has the technology to miniaturise. Lt Gen D.B. Shekatkar (retd) on Pakistan`s TNWs and the options before us. Lt Gen D.B. Shekatkar, former additional director-general, military operations, and additional director-general, perspective planning (covering among other things nuclear doctrine and planning), retired from the army on March 31 this year. In addition to the two postings, he has also been a divisional commander in Kashmir, a corps commander in the northeast and commandant of the prestigious Infantry School. Excerpts from an interview to Outlook: The army top brass is worried about Pakistan threatening to use a nuclear weapon and say this should not be treated casually. What is your perception? I agree that the repeated assertions by the Pakistanis on this count should not be taken lightly. Does Pakistan possess a tactical nuclear weapon? Yes, it does and we should be ready to counter it. Is Pakistan capable of using a tactical nuclear weapon? Yes, it is. In the army, when we deal with the nuclear aspect and future planning, we have always taken the tactical nuclear weapon factor into account when dealing with Pakistan. There is this theory among various nuclear analysts that Pakistan does not possess the technology to miniaturise a nuclear weapon, leave alone having a weapons delivery system... With due respect, there is vast difference between academic research and ground realities. The series of missiles supplied to Pakistan by China and North Korea are capable of carrying a tactical nuclear weapon. China also has the technology to miniaturise.

Reply Drumz # 308

“Ur over complexilizationing the issue.”

I’m Indian, so I can’t help it. You should give, and let me quote one who is above reproach here, sypathy, bcoz we r fried.

“Okay look, assume i meet you one day and u go bragging about how pretty all the white gurls are. Eventually I will want to kill u. Then I will say ``SHUT THE HELL UP ZAFAR!`` And u will thus cry.”

Drumz, I just can’t understand what you have against all those white ladies…I mean, don’t you read Porgressive’s posts? (Btw, I’m convinced that he’s a transgrestite. What you think?) At least three or four of them are bona fide curtain wrapped tasbih wielding zam zam pani sprinkled sistahs…and that isn’t even counting Jemima. (Overcomplectionising?) Anyway, that’s whitegurlz to you. (Note: one word.)

“Do u think this command would be for you to always remain silent? Similarly, the opinions of buddha, muhammed et all must be looked at with an understanding of their times and places (cultures).”

Sharia is smriti. (But how will this play in Stoolyville aka Deeeetraaayt?) We have to stop pretending that human opinions are eternally sanctioned by divinity.

“It is due to a result of over thinking and thinking on the wrong sh1t that buddha said ``no opinion.`` This does not mean that one should stop thinking, it refers to IDLE thought. Further, it introduces purity in the form of what zen calls ``mind no mind.`` This occurs when ones actions are the result of not thinking, just doing. Similar to the sufi annilation. They become one with their actions (Like going on first instincts).”

And I’m the one who overcomplexshunizes….mmmHMMMM.

Not sure what you mean by idle…as in “useless” perhaps only a Buddha could truly tell which thought facilitated samadhi and which didn’t…or perhaps none of them did…

“What is the duty? The duty is to control (a God is one who controls) ones circle, the place over which one has responsibility. Where ever u are, that is ur circle. If ur in a location where a fight is occuring and u dont want it to, then u must end it. This stage follows controlling oneself (an ongoing jihad) and preceeds controlling ones community.”

What are the proper limits of control? How do you decide on them, or even find them? If the two things in life are duty and pleasure, can we say that you have a duty to your pleasure? I think yes.

“This info is dependent somewhat on intellect, but not the ``western`` kind (rememeber I hate the white man).”

HOW many times do I have to tell you, whiteman is oneword?

“A purer kind guided by intuition in the disciple. When Lao Tzu said one should ``not do`` he kept in mind that everyone in his time was Doing. He just gave the other half of the yin yang.” There is a tendancy among intellectuals to over complicate spirituality and make it appear paradoxical to their view of the U-n-I verse.”

Do you hate intellectuals? I hate them too. There’s nothing worse than an intellectual, I say, and when they overcomplicate spirituality…phwah…somebody hold me back…(balance sounds good. I had never thought of it that way before.)

And aleichim shalom.

Tahmed: All the idiocy in me is purely genetic. U can blame `u know who` for that.

Zafar: I answered ur post on love but it was clearly lost by the chowk editors. Lemme know if u want it written again. (Notice i didnt swear at them). If not, please know that ur toothbrush example was blazed like me on a sunday.

Sadna: I said: ``u just have the ILLUSION of having responsibilities. None of you run your countries, so how can u be responsible for defending them?`` Then u said: ``You are not being very objective. You think its an illusion, I may not...``

How am I not being OBJECTIVE? It is a FACT that u dont RUN your ``COUNTRY`` so HOW are you RESPONSIBLE for its POLICIES???

As one who introspects, I can smell out one who duzent. Simple. MOST of your posts show the reflection of a mirror painted black. Case and point: Your WHOLE outlook whould change if u were not an Indian. This is the idiocy of patriotism. Its is DEPENDENT on traits u have no control over. If u were Paki, then you would side with Pakistan. This requires NO thought, just automatic, mechanical, robot like regurgitation of ``opinions.``

U actually claim to be anywhere close to pure minded? You write about making missiles with urdu names. Is this the mark of someone who is pureminded??? And to top it off, you, like all the other patriots (YLH/USTRULY) dont even live in your own damn country. You just talk about war from the comfort of ur american house. IZ this puremindedness? Have u ever killed anyone? Would you? Then where do u get off talking about missiles?

``Its not pureminded to insist on sitting on a railway track while refusing to allow people to discuss whether trains exist``

I have never said anything to tahmed, or hamid or zafar or nasah. They actually REFLECT and dont spew off the same sh1t everyone else does.

Your post on the Pakistani Elite was absolutely pointless. ``Pakistani elite/ruling class donot care even if other Pakistanis die, as long as the dead Pakistanis are of a different class.``

Name ONE ELITE class which cares about the poor. All of your posts can just as easily be broken down to show ur self serving bias. If you wanna really get blazed we can take it there too. Namaste.

Saminashah:

```Look`, he said. `I don`t knowwhat you`re worried about. You can die crossing the street, hit by a car or you could die in a nuclear war. You`ve got to die someday anyway.``

This is actually quite a valuable bit of ammo for you. This guy has the attitude of ``jo hoga so haga, Allah Malik / Ram Bharosey`` , so u see, it proves that u are correct in your assertion of South Asian identity. Aslam Beg is a Muslim, ex-chief of Army, but he is as much of a fatalist as the Hindu Bhaiyyas of Jaunpur and Varanasi.

:)

No more cross border terrorism for few days

Kashmir infiltrations halted, say terrorists :

MUZAFFARABAD, Jun 02: Terrorists have virtually halted infiltrations into Indian Kashmir under instructions from Pakistan, in a bid to avert war with India, militant sources said today. Sources among the Kashmiri separatist groups in Pakistan said they had gotten the message. ``We have been asked to stop sending militants across the Line of Control,`` a militant source told Reuters privately. ``They have been asked, so infiltration has virtually stopped,`` another source close to the militants said. ``The instruction was issued around a week ago or so.`` ``There is also a restriction on terrorist groups using any communication means to contact their guys in Kashmir,`` the source said.

Sources said Musharraf had called a halt to see if diplomatic channels have more success in convincing India to come to the negotiating table to resolve the Kashmir dispute. But if India does not respond adequately, analysts say Pakistan could start to encouraging cross border terrorism and the militants once again. Others fear that attacks by militants who are outside Pakistan`s control could also turn the heat back up.

The next indian missile should be Advani. It will be dual-use, terrorizing the pak establishment and ridding india of a highly-placed thug..

saminashah #306
``Sadna, I would ask you to reconsider what you term the ``childnessness`` of nuclear disarmament and non violent negotiation in the subcontinent.``

Samina, I donot understand what you want me to reconsider, I have not said a single thing about nuclear disarmament, nor have I said anything about nonviolent negotiation. Please point me to the comment you mean, perhaps you mean someone else.

DRUMZ #291 you write ``chowk posters are idiots of the highest degree (because they actually think they are smart).``

That is a smart thing you posted on chowk. And I am sure their respective spouses (or parents, or siblings, or friends) will confirm that. But wait...since you are a chowk poster, that makes you an idiot like the rest of us...that makes you an idiot who says smart things...I got it: you are an idiot savant.

PS: Just kidding. I am sure you are no idiot.