Lighting The Nuclear Fire

dost mitter

I am glad that you get the point.

Re: Dost Mittar

The current head of the Aga Khan Rural Support Program is an American and his wife is a Pakistani . To the best of my knowledge, he has not converted, even nominally, to Islam and no one has demanded her death. However, I think that she is an Aga Khani so not really a Muslim after all (according to some whackos) if you want to get reaaaaaaaaally picky about it.

dostmittar

there are pakistani muslim women married to non muslims...not too many though..one example for you would be durriya qazi (writer artist high profile professor of the arts) married to an anglo who is also an artist and teaches art...nobody has slaughtered her yet :)

shankar bhai #468,

are you PMS`ing :)

i`ve come to realize that this India-vs-Pakistan debate is so useless and endless.... i don`t wish to burn brain matter over it.

there`s nothing to gain from being accusatory and negative towards a neighboring country.

and don`t be so quick to judge all Pakistanis based on some idiots who love the military. i`m not judging you or other Indians based upon what happened in Gujarat or other political, economic, social ills.

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/764085.asp

A Secret Army’s Vow

In clandestine meetings with NEWSWEEK, Pakistani extremists say attacks in Indian-held Kashmir will continue

By Zahid Hussain and Ron Moreau

NEWSWEEK

June 17 issue — The Pakistani guerrilla commander is thin, soft-spoken and ever so polite. So when Pakistani military officers invited him to an emergency meeting two weeks ago, he showed up as requested, even though he suspected that he might not like what he heard. The guerrilla, whom we’ll call Atif, directs several hundred fighters who operate deep in Indian-held Kashmir. He was one of some two dozen Kashmiri commanders invited to the meeting, held at a Pakistani Army base 25 miles from the front lines.

THE MOOD GREW TENSE, Atif says, as soon as a major general from the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency began speaking. “We don’t have a choice, given the tremendous pressure on Pakistan,” the ISI man said, almost apologetically. “So you are ordered to stop immediately all cross-border operations.” Several of the guerrilla commanders jumped to their feet, thundering that Pakistan shouldn’t cave to Indian threats. They denounced President Pervez Musharraf by name, Atif recalls. “After ditching the Taliban, Musharraf has now betrayed the Kashmiri cause,” shouted one commander. “How can we accept this?” Anger swept the room, and all the commanders stalked out without accepting the general’s invitation to join him for a meal.

Musharraf seems to be getting serious, at last, about preventing cross-border attacks on Indian soldiers and civilians. The reason is simple. Kashmiri militants, with their spectacular suicide attacks on the Indian Parliament in December and an Indian Army base on May 14, have brought the world closer to nuclear war than perhaps at any time in 40 years. India and Pakistan have a million troops on their common border, and much of the world is worried. A procession of top-level diplomats has passed through (Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld will make his appearance this week). They’ve all pressed Musharraf, in particular, to stop the brinkmanship.

But even if Musharraf is sincere about halting incursions, can he enforce his will? “There could be renegades from these militant groups who can’t really be stopped regardless of the tremendous obstacles they face,” says Talat Masood, a retired Pakistani Army lieutenant general. Many of the commanders who stormed out of the recent meeting with the ISI general said they would soon meet with their fighters to discuss the infiltration ban. A commander we’ll call Irfan, of the radical Harkat ul-Mujahedin group, claims that hundreds of his men have been waiting impatiently for orders to infiltrate into Indian-held territory. (NEWSWEEK met clandestinely with the guerrillas, and none wanted their names used.) “Our volunteers are becoming increasingly upset over the long delay,” says Irfan.

Newsweek.MSNBC.com

Commanders like Atif and Irfan are sizing up their chances of defying the ban, and seem to like the odds. First, they know how to work covertly. Even though their offices have been closed and their bank accounts frozen, they continue to get funding, they say. Nor is acquiring weapons a problem. “What do we need to fight? Not much,” says another commander. “Hand grenades and Kalashnikovs are available everywhere.” They also know the lay of the land better than anyone. “Our men manage to sneak past the Indians, so how can the Pakistanis stop us?” says Irfan.

Atif claims there are between 1,200 and 1,500 Pakistani militants already inside Kashmir. “Many of our men are stuck across the line,” says Irfan. As a result, he believes, some of these men may step up attacks on their own. “If they can’t come home, they’ve got nothing to lose.” And the militants inside Pakistan could eventually target Musharraf. If the president “keeps pressuring the militants while India maintains this aggressive posture, then Musharraf could be finished,” says General Masood. As it is, presidential security has been tightened. Musharraf’s movements are kept secret and his travel route frequently changed at the last minute. The Kashmiri commanders have few such worries. “We will continue to fight,” says Atif. “God always creates ways for us.”

Dost_Mitter

`Zina` is a good point; but when I wrote my last post, I thought of a non-Muslim country where local law has precedence over Islamic law. In that case jurists have recommended social boycott. But in Darul Islam i.e. a Muslim country the perpetrators of such crime are tried under hudood ordinance of zina. A few years ago a couple was tried under this ordinance where a Muslim woman had married a christian man. The case was highly publicized but I don’t remember the outcome of the case. I think in Paksitan you wont find an inter-religious married couple. People even frown upon marrying in different sunni sects, what to talk about inter-religious marriages. Shia sunni marriages are considered a lost cause and sometimes even mourned.

``One of my values is that you do not become different from me just because I do not share your faith.``

It sounds sweet but unfortunately I don’t share this value of yours (and I am pretty sure that neither do you). It is unnatural. Diversity is inherent in human nature. What white man has discovered now i.e. diversity is power, was taught to us some 1500 years ago. Here are some words from the Last Sermon of our Holy Prophet “0 Ye people, Allah says: 0 people We created you from one male and one female and made you into tribes and nations, so as to be known to one another. Verily in the sight of Allah, the most honoured amongst you is the one who is most God fearing. There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab and for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for the white over the black nor for the black over the white except in God`s consciousness.”

scouty,

Hon,

I HUMBLY admit that Pakistan whips India`s butt hands down in cricket, hockey, women`s beauty & chalo..even cusine..

What I cant STAND about Pakistani (OK Pakistani men) is how they strut around boasting about their military! World famous this & world famous that. Yeah..world famous---my butt..

Darn it, they have lost every goddamned war, comitted a genocide, taken over their own country in 4 coups, spat at Jinah`s ideals of democracy & then have the gaul to strut around like their crap doesnt stink!!!

To make matters worse they`ve made every Pakistani believe that India is salivating at the prospect of annexing Pakistan & that without their great bravery it would have happened!

What rubbish! No offense..Pakistan is no great Shangrila that India wants..heck Pakistanis can barely govern themselves...you expect India to govern them?! GET REAL!!!

This may come as a real surprise to you Pakistanis. Even if Indians think TNT was wrong, 50 + years have passed & we definitely dont want you BACK!!!

Its crazy Pakistanis who shout at rallys ``Delhi mein phir raj karenge!``. I assure you, no Indians EVER shout ``Isloo mein raj karenge!`` So, please tell your children to sleep very soundly at night. Aint no Indian boogey man coming to knock on his door, in the middle of the night! Its just your jawan, with his ubiquitous danda, threatening your rights & then blaming the evil bamman-banias for all your problems..

And please please dont make excuses like we are so much smaller than you...well if you are, then dont try & butt heads with India. Please dont LIE & say ``Oooh we NEVER do``...you were caught RED HANDED in Kargil & recently in cross border terrorism, on & on. NOBODY in the WHOLE WORLD is believing Pakistan, so dont even try debating this point.

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muslim women should marry whoever they damn well please ...............if they were practicing muslims they wouldnt but if they do so what? i could care less ..............

also i want to have bars in pakistan openly

i want dance clubs women in skirts open dating and a few sausage houses ...........

honestly islam can only thrive in a secular society it will show who is muslim cuz he believes in islam and who i muslim out of tradition or force or gains

Re Urstruly (#454):

You wrote ” …those who openly show contempt towards Islam and its core principles (like Quadianies) …”

This is a blatant lie. As an Ahmadi-Muslim, I have highest regard for the teachings of Islam, the message of Quran, and the dear Prophet (pbuh). I consider myself a true Muslim … and nothing more or less.

Your comments regarding Ahmadis amount to propaganda and lies, which you have not been able to substantiate. On the other hand, you have maintained silence over my blunt criticism of absurdities of “your” Islam.

Or … perhaps you are waiting to ask Issa-ibne-Marriam when he finally descends from the sky … and has killed the one-eyed monster riding a huge fire-breathing donkey … or perhaps you don’t believe that this will ever happen. In any case … it sure makes a good bedtime story … in the name of Islam …

So tell me again … you were discussing core principles of Islam. What about them …?

Aeisha or whatever

First there are still a few aborigines left in Australia , there are some Maoris left in NZ, there are Indians left in America, what does all this prove?

In your question is your answer.

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````I had earlier asked a question that no Pakistani answered.

Has a Muslim Pakistani girl EVER married a non-muslim in Pakistan`s history and still alive in Pakistan? ````(dost-mitter)

Not-a-Pakistani -- but I will answer that.

Yes -- dost mitter saheb:



Mrs. Naipaul -- Sir Vidia`s beloved -- sharp tongued short tempered wife -- Nadira Khanum Alvi -- a noted Pakistani columnist -- who according to Naipaul`s mentor-now nemesis --

chauvnist pig Theroux -- is ``in her bumptiousness and careless writing, the antithesis of everything Naipaul cherished``.

yes she is still alive and kicking -- but outside Pakistan:-)

``But NEVER have I seen any Muslim (including the likes of Shabana Azmi) supporting Muslim girls marrying a non-muslim````(Dost-mitter)

Mere bhai/dost mitter saheb:

:-) ....:-) .....:-)

Never say Never in this world --- let me tell you -- at least ONE Muslims -- whose daughters and son have married Christians, and Jewish -- and whose niece has married a Hindu kid -- with all the support and blessings I could give and afford:-)

hasan

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dost-mittar,

the reason muslim women do not--cannot--marry non-Muslim men (and remain Muslims) is because it has been explicitly forbidden in the Qur`an Sharif. If you have a problem with that...tough.

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