The Perfect Murder

soundmeister #430 I was merely pointing out the facts - with harimau and satyavadi I saw two grown up men congratulating each other on calling names to a Syed Ahmed because they were offended by his post (I too was offended on something that poster wrote, but I did not told him what I found offensive without calling him names). If I saw two grown up men behaving in this manner in real life, I would consider them to be totally stupid.

I then went further and noted that we had a number of other such grown up posters showing their moron-like behavior. And the majority did happen to be from India - I was wrong in making this distinction, but then I would have to be a better man than I am to do that.

Now you have added to the points won by the Indian team for moronship on this board by calling me names too. Therefore, by the powers bestowed on me as Mullah321, I hereby induct you to the Moron Hall of Famers. And declare the Indian team victory by an innings and six wickets. Congratulations to all you morons.

re: The mind of a Pakistani

http://www.sulekha.com/column.asp?cid=206737

--- by Subhash Kak

``Each nation has some trait which captures the essential character of the vast majority of its population. For example, Napoleon called the English a nation of shopkeepers; Emerson wrote that America was a country of young men, calling attention to its youthful exuberance; and the Germans and the Japanese are universally acknowledged to be the best mechanics, albeit of different kinds. The attention to details by Germans can be so irksome that Richard Porson said: “Life is too short to learn German.”

The hallmark of the Pakistani is his most remarkable inner conflict, leading to behaviour marked by emotional seesaw, a swing between religion and alcohol, authoritarian and masochistic behaviour, and a tendency to wishful thinking.

The conflict arises from a professed revulsion -- in the presence of secret attraction -- for things that are `Hindu` or `pagan`. It is the guilt regarding this attraction that gives birth to masochism, and to the authoritarian trait. When the Pakistani wouldn`t trust himself, he lets the army, the mullahs, or someone else mete out his punishment to him for his transgressions.

Bangladesh was all but forced to break away because Pakistan did not approve of its attachment to the reviled Hindu traditions, especially its continued use of the `Hindu` Bengali script. The fear of Indic scripts lives on, which is why the Pakistani Punjabis are not taught their language in school, and Pakistan has become the most illiterate countries of the world.

Pakistanis reject those branches of science which they think might have a `Hindu` basis. I know of students who have decided not to do physics because Erwin Schrodinger, the creator of quantum physics, was a Vedantist, and because many philosophers have declared the conundrums of quantum theory similar to that of Vedanta.

In recent years, Yoga has swept the world for physical health, stress reduction, and as therapy to fight illnesses like heart disease and diabetes. But no Pakistani would dream of doing Yoga. Should it so happen that tomorrow it is established that Yoga cures cancer, Pakistanis will be obliged to avoid that remedy!

Pakistanis are also compelled to shun music and dance, unless done surreptitiously under the torpor of alcohol. The only enjoyment of sculpture permitted is in its smashing, something that continues to happen to ancient stone and marble carvings as and when they are unwittingly unearthed in fields.

This has not only reduced the variety of professions that Pakistanis can enter, it has hobbled scientific efforts, and turned sensitive Pakistanis into psychological wrecks. For Indians, the trash dished out by Bollywood is mindless escape; for Pakistanis, it is the vision of forbidden worlds!

Pakistanis suffer from a national anosognosia, a psychological ailment where patients have a difficulty in recognising their condition. Thus a patient whose left arm and leg is paralysed may insist that his paralysed limbs are functioning normally, even immediately after failing to perform a simple task.

The huge psychological blind spot, and lack of consistency in their inner world, impels Pakistani leaders to be shockingly out of touch with reality. I have never seen a person lie as brazenly as Musharraf does, with perfect nonchalance.

Obviously, these general remarks don`t apply to every individual; there are many exceptions who have found their way out of the fog.

I had occasion to test my theories a couple of months ago when Stanley Wolpert, the well-known UCLA historian of contemporary India and Pakistan, invited me to speak on the Kashmir situation at a conference at his university. He said he was inviting representatives of the Indian and the Pakistani governments, the United Nations, and independent scholars. I would get an opportunity to meet the Indian and Pakistani communities of the Los Angeles area.

I thought this was a good idea because I sincerely believe that we should not lose another generation of youth in Jammu and Kashmir to this conflict. I am an optimist; I think any problem can be resolved if the aggrieved parties come together and look at the issues realistically.

Stanley Wolpert and his wife, Dorothy, were gracious hosts and, at the pre-conference dinner at their home, I got to meet with several scheduled speakers from Pakistan and other guests. The conference next day was at the Burkle Center for International Relations. The hall was packed with Indians and Pakistanis, including many Kashmiris -- both Hindu and Muslim. There were some whom I knew from my days in Srinagar.

The main point the Pakistani interlocutors made was that something should be done soon because of the danger of a nuclear war. It sounded as if Kashmir should be given to Pakistan because it seemed to be willing, at some point in future, to use nuclear weapons. It was as if a child was throwing a tantrum, saying he was going to smash a vase unless he got his ice cream.

Kashmir valley was conflated with the entire state of Jammu and Kashmir, and the residents of the non-Kashmiri regions of the state were conveniently forgotten.

In my comments, I argued that while all options may be discussed regarding the political future of the Kashmir valley, any association with Pakistan should not be one of them.

I said: Imagine an England that denounces Newton and Shakespeare, making sure their names are expunged from all literature. Would anyone wish to live in that England? But this is what Pakistan has done to its greatest scientist: Abdus Salam, whose name has been censored out of textbooks, merely because of his theological belief.

There is an ongoing massacre of Shias in Pakistan. Eighty five Shia doctors had been killed in Karachi alone at last count. Given that their own Islam is distinctive in many ways, would Kashmiri valley Muslims like to live in such a Pakistan?

Over a hundred and fifty years ago, Nicholas I of Russia called Turkey the sick man of Europe. Unlike Turkey, the illness of Pakistan -- the new sick man of Asia -- is more psychological than physical. It is an illness rooted in the ethos of a bygone era of plunder and seizure, called in Indic literature as the raakshas syndrome.

Pervez Musharraf represents the worst of the Pakistani illness. Pakistan must choose a more realistic leader. Is Benazir Bhutto the lady of the hour?``

Sridhar

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Trillium #412

Tahmed - Delighted with your appreciation of Q.P.

Yeah, the world was a hare`s breath from speaking German in the 40`s, no thanks to Heisenbergh. They were VERY close. I think the guy just saw the Bomb as a challenge - another physics problem. Quantum weirdness. Nevertheless, he gave us the stunning news in his uncertainty principle that reality is a psychological problem, not a physical one. Go figure

Trillium

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RSaxena - Sorry. Kidding also. I guess I`ve gotta start using more punctuative Smiley Faces... but I hate smiley faces, not to mention puppies and stuffed animals :0)

re: arjun_m

{Now where are the people saying indians should wear a tshirt with a paki flag to stay safe in the US}

...the brilliant romair has gone into silence over this laughable statement since he spewed it...remember he also quacked about america aiding pakistan in kashmir post 9-11...whatever happened to that...pataa nahi kahaan se chale aate hain...

A PRAYER FOR PEACE by Nighat Gandhi secular muslim married to Hindu Man

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mag/2002/05/19/stories/2002051900090100.htm

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A prayer for peace

NIGHAT GANDHI was in an ashram in Karnataka when Godhra and the subsequent mayhem in Gujarat took place. A Muslim, married to a Hindu from Gujarat, she offers a prayer for the future of her children and the country.

ON February 28, at an ashram in a village north of Bangalore, the students in a course for yoga instructors were taking part in their graduation ceremony. Each participant was asked to place flowers before a portrait of Swami Vivekananda, after whom the centre was named, and say a few words. When my turn came to speak, I said, ``I hope each one of us will make it a mission to work for world peace, by first bringing peace into our personal lives through the practice of meditation.``

After we received our certificates, a course mate, a doctor who had been allowed to go to the city, gave me two bits of news. We had not been allowed to read any newspaper or listen to the radio as we were expected to be free from the usual sources of stress and worry. The first item was that a rail coach had been set on fire in a town in Gujarat. The second one was that the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) had lost the elections in Uttar Pradesh. On March 1, after leaving the ashram , I was with a friend and was visiting her family in a small town on the border between Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh. I recall with gratitude that my hosts, devout Hindus, were extremely hospitable, because I was their daughter`s friend, without ever considering my religion. I am sad because I feel sure that more incidents like Godhra and what followed in Gujarat, will only destroy that kind of warmth and spontaneous trust.

One of my favourite words in Hindi is shanti , meaning peace, contentment and silence. The word has a soothing quality because of the softness of the music in the sound it makes. Chant om, shanti, shanti, shanti, slowly and softly, and as the notes of the last shanti fade into silence, you enter the abode of peace, gaining entry, perhaps for a fraction of a second, into a world ordered differently from the one you are accustomed to. But even that fleeting feeling, so ephemeral that you begin to doubt whether you really tasted its existence, is precious. All you can remember afterwards is a memory of that silence where you touched, or rather which touched you with what can be termed true happiness, true contentment, and which seemed to arise out of nothing, needing no reason and no causality for its existence. For the gift of teaching me to touch that silence, I shall always be grateful to my teachers at the yoga ashram.

But along with many such positive teachings, I was troubled by some of the statements I heard and some of the things we were made to do.

At the inaugural ceremony, the chief guest, a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) worker from Karnataka, emphasised the need for society having men of integrity, discipline and sensitivity. Courses such as these, he hoped, would produce the kind of men India needed for rebuilding the country`s lost glory. I was surprised at this emphasis on men because there were 35 women present, but presumably, according to the esteemed guest, they could not play much of a role in rebuilding the country.

I was asked by an assistant teacher about whether I expected Muslims to practise meditation, as they are ``all so violent and believe in killing everybody``. Since the word Islam means peace, Islam can`t advocate violence, nor are all Muslims like bin Laden, I said in response. And why shouldn`t the concept of meditation as a path to peace appeal to right-thinking Muslims, since the Prophet Mohammed himself used to meditate for days in a cave? I quote this incident only to show the depth of misconceptions each religious community has about the other.

The course had many RSS workers, a number of them from the United Kingdom. They were intelligent, well-educated non-resident Indians, who had become full-time volunteers of the RSS in the quest for reinventing their lost Indian identity in foreign lands. One of the most popular bhajans sung in the ashram was by an RSS volunteer from the U.K.. The words were set to a popular Hindi film song: ``Eint layee patthar layee tere liye, mandir banaongi wapas na jaogi, apni Ayodhya chodke, Rama ho rama re, bhool mat jana apni Ayodhya chod ke . (I have brought bricks and stones for you, until I build a temple I won`t leave my Ayodhya, Rama, oh Rama, don`t forget your Ayodhya``).

This young woman had the leadership qualities to inspire a whole generation of women. I asked her if she had come across cases of domestic violence in the course of her social work among Indian families in England. She said that it was most often the Muslim women in England who were the victims. I said that in my work with women in a small North Indian town, I regularly came across victims of domestic violence from all religions.

At the course, we were also made to attend mandatory bhajan sessions and shout slogans like ``Jai Shri Ram``. I found this a bit confusing. The attainment of personal peace seemed desirable, but what connection did slogan chanting have with this quest? Also RSS slogans like ``Doodh mango ge to kheer denge, Kashmir mango ge to chir denge (If you ask for milk, we`ll give you kheer, but if you ask for Kashmir we shall kill you``). Or indeed the meaning of songs like ``Har bala devi ki pratima, baccha baccha Ram hai (Every girl is an image of a goddess, and every boy an image of Ram``). What about Indians who do not see their children as the embodiment of Ram? Is there any virtue in propounding our culture as only Hindu values, as a single, homogenous entity to the exclusion of all other cultural identities alive within India?

I admire the RSS for instilling such precise misconceptions in educated young people. Why don`t we, the so-called secularists, have our own agenda of humanitarianism and respect for diversity that will inspire our youth? What are we teaching our children in schools about respecting human rights? Do we have any structures or institutions that function with the regularity, the discipline, and the single-mindedness of an RSS shakha ? There are some valuable lessons we could learn from Muslim and Hindu fundamentalists. One of them would be an indefatigable zeal for a ``cause``. And unless we zealously promote non-communal values, the fundamentalists` agenda is sure to win hands down.

I boarded the train home from Bangalore on March 3. The Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) had held a rally that afternoon close to the station. I was dressed in a T-shirt and trousers, discarding the usual salwar-kurta. I rehearsed the answers I would give if someone interrogated me. If they asked me what I was, I would say I was a Parsee. My brain wasn`t reasoning why on a train anybody would have the right to ask me such questions seemingly normal people could, if they wanted to, pull me up because of a Muslim name, and yes, the unthinkable could happen. But who were these ``normal people``?

Until then, I had always believed that communal riots were the work of hooligans, belonging to both minority and majority groups. Gujarat was proving me wrong. I also had enough proof from my stay in the yoga ashram and my interactions there with educated, middle-class young women and men workers of the RSS that rationality in matters of religion is not a given within the same individual as rationality in other matters.

Gandhiji`s lessons ... Peace and non-violence must prevail.

I am married to a Gujarati, a Hindu, and we have two children. We have never thought of ourselves as Muslims or Hindus. When their classmates ask my children at schools whether they are Hindus or Muslims, they say they are neither but they respect all religions. I had always been told by my husband that the essential Gujarati is a no-nonsense businessman with an eye on the bottom line, and that Gujarat is a State where women feel safe.

Going to see his ailing father soon after the riots, he returned from Ahmedabad, ashamed. The prosaic Gujarati businessman did not seem to have just money on his mind, nor were women safe in Gujarat. He witnessed what he would have just weeks earlier considered impossible ? an apartment complex with 200 flats, and only two flats belonging to Muslims destroyed. One shop alone, in a row of several shops, burned down because its owner had a Muslim name. But most shocking of all for him was the lack of remorse on the part of the average Gujarati for the brutalities that had been wreaked on human beings.

When I finally got home on the morning of March 5, I was overwrought. My husband held me in a long embrace, and I couldn`t let go of my children. I console myself with the thought that killing in the name of religion is perhaps another stage in human evolution. Men invented gods and religions, and perhaps it is time women and men got together to reinvent ``godlessness``, in the sense of abolishing the idea of different gods and different religions for different groups of human beings. Perhaps, in time, we will look back upon incidents like Gujarat as the Dark Age of humanity. But that doesn`t help us now, it doesn`t help the child whose family was butchered before its eyes, nor the bereaved whose dear ones were burned alive in a train compartment.

What might shorten this Dark Age is a conscious effort made by you and I, to end this darkness. Let us begin by reminding ourselves that all of Nature is God, and the greatest worship of Nature lies in according equal respect to all beings in Nature. May there come a time when all of us decide not to build a temple or a mosque in Ayodhya but a monument to Nature.



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Re: Syed Ahmed

``..it is all the more ironic since INdia has a stronger democratic institutions than Pakistan ...``

Mian, I urge you to read the following book (you can read some excerpts and reviews at Amazon.com):

Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western Power by Victor Davis Hanson

This book, although exclusively devoted to Western socities, gives clues as to how democratic societies react when threatened. Happy reading.

Vajpayee ``suggested`` joint patrolling. Once the bluff was called, Musharaff rejected. LOL!!!

Mr. TAhmed ``hopes`` that Musharaff would accept it...wake up and smell the coffee buddy.

Give peace a chance! Destroy Pakistan...

re: ylh

{Economy definitely is showing signs of upsurge.. I say this because My father is after me to take a position in his office because of the increased workload..}

...brilliant!...you`ve just invented a new metric to measure economic performance...forget gdp growth, per capita`s, and inflation...start writing your economics nobel prize acceptance speech...

News Item: ``Indian PM offers joint patrols with Pakistan in Kashmir: ALMATY, June 05:`` (from Dawn). Constructive suggestion. Nothing builds confidence like being on the same team. I hope Musharaff accepts.

Trillium #412 I shall check out the tachyon on google in more detail over the weekend. I read somewhere that at the end of the 19th century, physicists were satisfied that with Newton`s laws they pretty much knew what there was to be known about physics. They got a rude shock with the advent Einsteins theory of relativity and quantum physics. They say that today we may well be at the brink of another major revolution, just as physicists have painstakingly (and at an expense of billions of dollars in building particle accelerators in Europe, Japan and the US) have put together a new model based on particle physics. And they say that the laws of physics (even the weird, counterintuitive ones of subatomic physics) did not apply at creation (the big bang) and do not apply inside black holes. So I guess you are right - the Mind of Man is quite pathetic.

On Heisenberg: he is also the chap who tried to build a nuke for the nazis in WWII. Why a smart man like him (as you say, he came up with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle which is one of the more weird aspects of particle physics) would try to build a nuke, and that too for the nazis, I fail to understand - until I put myself in his shoes: he probably saw it as a means to defend his country from being overrun by foreign armies. Not as a means to promote an evil regime.

Reality is no less weird than particle physics.

MT #414 My point was not that the South is populated with hate-filled people (since I have known many people from the Southern states and they are fine people and good friends). I took exception to someone calling the South of India more civilized than the North since such comparisons are meaningless and arrogant. Jay was therefore a bad example given the point I was trying to make.

With this correction, I hope you will now return to me my rubber stamp that says ``Endorsed by Tahmed`` (actually I did not realize I had such a rubber stamp until you took it away from me).

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As for ``gawd`` remember the raj kapoor/mukesh song .... ?

aasmaN pe hai Khuda, aur es jameeN pe ham

aaj kal woh es taraf, dekhta hai kam

kisko bheje woh yahaN khakh chaanne

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Kashmir: Whose dispute is it anyway?

By Ranjit Devraj

NEW DELHI - The newly released results of an independent opinion poll indicating that less than 6 percent of the people in Indian Kashmir would, given a choice, opt to join Pakistan is good news for India, which plans to hold elections there in September.

Political commentators say that the poll, commissioned by a group of British parliamentarians and conducted in the last week of April by MORI, a London-based agency, should be an eye-opener for Pakistan President General Pervez Musharraf, who is convinced that Kashmiris would overwhelmingly vote to join his country if India allowed them to decide the issue at a referendum.

On Tuesday, Musharraf, under pressure from the international community to stop cross-border terrorism in Kashmir, aired his view of the dispute at a televised session of the Conference on Interaction and Confidence-building in Asia (CICA) summit, now underway in Almaty, capital of the central Asian republic of Kazakhstan.

Musharraf told delegates that while terrorism had to be stamped out, ``We cannot condone for any reason the rapacious polices of certain states that forcibly occupy territories and deny freedom to people for decades on end with total disdain for charter principles and decisions of the United Nations``.

The reference was to India, whose Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee could be seen by television viewers sitting across from Musharraf at the session. Vajpayee reiterated the Indian position that there could be no dialogue with Pakistan over Kashmir until terrorism in the territory first ended.

``Global peace has remained hostage to the expansionist ambitions of such states and their ruthless campaign to suppress, through brutal force, the legitimate struggles of people to gain their internationally recognized fundamental right to freedom and self-determination,`` Musharraf continued.

While Musharraf claims to be supporting a freedom struggle in Kashmir, the fact is that Pakistan has fought three wars with India to gain complete possession of the former princely state which stands divided between the two countries by the Line of Control (LoC) marking the point where their armies fought each other to a standstill more than 50 years ago.

India has refused to budge from the position that Kashmir, though Muslim-dominated, is integral to its secular polity. On the other hand, Pakistan, which was carved out of British India as a homeland for Muslims, believes that Pakistan is incomplete without the Muslim-dominated territory.

When the British handed over power to Pakistan and India in 1947, the princely states were given the choice of merging with either one or the other of the successor states and Kashmir`s Hindu ruler, after holding out for some months, formally acceded to India.

Pakistan, which failed to secure Kashmir from India through warfare, also lost the Muslim-majority argument in 1971 when its eastern province broke away and became Bangladesh with military support from India. The 1971 war which ended disastrously for Pakistan also paved the way for the Shimla Agreement between New Delhi and Islamabad the following year whereby the two countries agreed to respect the LoC in Kashmir and also settle all outstanding issues peacefully and bilaterally.

By 1990, a movement for independence from Indian rule by Kashmiri groups turned militant and was taken advantage of by Pakistan`s powerful and omnipresent military, which was believed to have supported the secessionist groups with arms, training and later men.

India reacted by moving in the army, brutally repressing dissent of any kind. It was accused of helping to rig the last elections held five years ago which resulted in the pro-India, National Conference party of chief minister Farook Abdullah coming to power.

Before long, Kashmiri groups fighting for independence found themselves sidelined by pro-Pakistan groups who unleashed a ``reign of terror`` in the Valley and did not hesitate to eliminate moderate leaders seeking a political settlement, their most recent victim being Abdul Ghani Lone, assassinated by masked gunmen at a rally in Srinagar, last month.

It is little wonder that the MORI survey showed little support for any merger of Kashmir with Pakistan and actually showed 65 percent of people preferring that the state continues to stay within India.

Predictably, pro-Pakistani political leaders in Kashmir reacted strongly to the poll results. ``This poll has been conducted by a particular agency with male fide [bad] intentions to discredit our movement,`` said Abdul Ghani Bhat, chairman of the All-Party Hurriyat Conference (APHC), umbrella organization for more than a score of political parties in the state

Bhat said that if 61 percent of the people in the state preferred that Kashmir stayed on with India, then it was all the more reason for New Delhi to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir according to a United Nations resolution of 1947. The demand for a plebiscite does not have uniform support in the Indian part of Kashmir, which is not a homogenous ethnic or religious unit, and Pakistani rule would never be accepted in the Buddhist-dominated Ladakh region or in the Hindu-dominated Jammu region.

Meanwhile, Asia Times Online correspondent Syed Saleem Shahzad spoke in Karachi to a former senior Pakistani diplomat, Shaharyar M Khan. Khan retired from the Pakistani Foreign Office in the mid-1990s as foreign secretary. Soon after this he worked for the United Nations, as well as the Commonwealth secretariat.

Khan comes from a prominent family with ties on both sides of the Indian-Pakistan divide. He is the grandson of Nawab Hamidullah Khan, a ruler of Bhopal state in India, and his mother was the only one in the family to migrate to Pakistan, with all other relatives still in India.

Khan believes that no world or regional power can help in the final settlement of the Kashmir dispute. ``At present, all regional and global powers are concerned about defusing the tension. They are least bothered about the final settlement of the dispute,`` said Khan, who believes that only India and Pakistan can resolve the issue.

When asked why there should be hope for the future when the countries have been unable to resolve the issue for more than 50 years, Khan replied, ``Every time India and Pakistan have held talks, some results have emerged, though a final settlement is yet to come. There were eight rounds of talks when Mr [Zulfikar Ali ] Bhutto was premier. Although both parties came up with contradictory points of view in the declaration, in the process of dialogue many new aspects of this issue were explored.

``Had dialogue continued between the two countries they would have reached a conclusive settlement. We have an example of the Oslo declaration in the background of Palestine. If talks could have continued, this sort of solution would have been carved out for Kashmir also.``

Khan agreed with this correspondent that after 1989 perspectives on the Kashmir question changed. ``Now there are extremist elements on both sides of the divide. Extremist elements in India have influenced public opinion that Pakistan is involved in cross-border terrorism and should be punished. Extremist elements in Pakistan believe that over 50 years of diplomatic endeavors have failed to deliver results. As 60,000 Kashmiris have been killed by the Indian army, they would not give up their struggle and would force India to surrender.``

He says that the new scenario has created a deadlock between the two countries. ``Tension has mounted between both in the past, but not for as long as it has at present, and the chances exist of a limited war.``

Khan agreed that most countries, even Muslim ones, blame Pakistan for cross-border terrorism. ``Even the statements of the OIC [Organization of the Islamic Conference] secretary general are shocking to me. Remember, the OIC has passed many resolutions in favor of Kashmir, and now they are treating India and Pakistan at an equal level. In the present situation, I find Pakistan has no friends and it seems that we have lost many of our old friends.

``After September 11, our foreign policy took a 180 degree turn. However, the world community saw that still hundreds of youths went to Afghanistan. Right or wrong, but they were found there. Similarly, recently, a citizen of Xingyang [western China] was caught in Pakistan and handed over to China. He was believed to be involved in terrorism. All these instances forced the world community to think that Pakistan is in fact a breeding point for these sort of people who are involved in terrorism.``

Khan believes that Pakistan does not need to send any diplomatic missions abroad. All senior officials of the G-8 countries, of the UK, the US and so on are in this region and Pakistan needs to come up with cogent arguments to convince them of its case that there is a genuine, indigenous freedom struggle in Kashmir, he maintained.

(Asia Times Online/Inter Press Service)

http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/DF06Df03.html

harimau

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``Be silly. Be honest. Be kind.``

-Ralph Waldo Emerson

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