Of Errant Politicians And The Kashmir Cause

Speaking of politicians with some bold intiatives, the only one I can think of would be of the following scenario:

A leader in Pakistan/India has terminal illness.

It means neither one gives a rats-a$s for opinion.

Both India/Pakistan need a common enemy. Perhaps it could be Al-Queida or Al-anything. We need

al-compassion.

Lately, I noticed Jang reporting casualties in Kashmir as `civilians and ``rebels```. Dawn is reporting `civilians and ``freedom-fighters`` `;

Only nation is reporting `civilians and ``mujaheed``

Anyway, all of them were at one time reporting

them as ``mujaheed``. So, it is getting better.

The real purpose of sending emmisaries rto the four points was not to explain Pakistani policy or high light the ``Kashmir cause`` - The purpose was to elict feedback, to gauge rewards/punishment, of elements of a restructuring, reorientation, of both Pakistan policy towards Kashmir and India and to gauge the level of support Pakistan can expect for initiating a process of dialogue wih India.

Two penny politicians? They did not steal as much as BB and NS? they did not make of Pakistan their property, their booty, which they disburse to their supporters? They all did, they all would - that`s what works in Pakistan - that`s what works in all places where exists neither Iman nor omeed. May Allah keep Mr. Musharraf safe, may He deliver him from the enemies of Pakistan, May He allow Mr. Musharraf to complete the restructuring of the Pakistani State and Economy.

mailk:

[...A Sadat/Gorbachev type figure is needed...]

---also, you might as well have added, one well un-read;)...

[...the costly Kashmir Tamasha has gone on for too long; it doesn’t need promotion or demotion but a complete retirement...]

---ouch!...such precision...

[...Musharaff is a well intentioned chap (so was BB)...]

---leaving the merits of the statement aside for a moment...CHAP?...you know something the world doesn`t;)...

rgds,

t

Thanks Shahnawaz for a beautifully written, truthful and entertaining essay. Hope to see more of your writings. You are the second impressive Khar, the author of Girl Friday column on TFT, Aamina Haq is the other one.

So this feudal brat has the gall to talk about ``errant politicians``. Shahnawaz, can you say ``Ghulam Mustafa Khar``??

Dude, go back to your fiefdom and enjoy life there. (Your kammi women are waiting for chota Malik to return, with their legs wide open). Quit worrying about Pakistan, its none of your business.

This writing certainly has its high points.

``so Mr. Musharraf what are you waiting for?``

Orders my dear chap. Orders!

Ras

Asleep at The Wheel?

As India and neighbor Pakistan put up their nukes, is an ailing and frail Vajpayee the right man to have his finger on the button?

BY ALEX PERRY NEW DELHI

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020617-260747,00.html

and

TIME talks with Krishna Lal Advani, India`s Home Minister and the man tipped by many as the hardline hand behind Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee:


Nearly 200 policemen died, so I do not think there was any complicity from them. And as for [hardline Hindu nationalist Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra] Modi, if there was any evidence of his complicity or being inactive, he would have been punished. He himself offered to resign, and we all said: Why?

http://www.time.com/time/asia/news/interview/0,9754,260779,00.html

Journalists unhappy with Time magazine article on PM

Shahid K Abbas in New Delhi

Taking strong exception to the report, Vinod Sharma, chief of the political bureau at the Hindustan Times, said, ``It is an insult to the people of India. Healthy or unhealthy, Vajpayee is our prime minister. If the magazine cannot substantiate the questions it has raised, it should tender an unqualified apology and in future refrain from dabbling in such kind of speculative articles.``


However, Rahul Bedi of the UK-based Daily Telegraph said, ``It is not saying anything that is untrue. Most of it was common knowledge and Time magazine only published it.``

Meanwhile, Perry is unapologetic and attributes his sources to `somebody very close to the prime minister`.

``The report speaks for itself and there is no need for me to make any further comment,`` he said.

``I stand by my report,`` he told rediff.com

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jun/18pm.htm

ali

Can you actually help being a jerk off or is this something out of your control completely?

Re: Hobbyty

``...May Allah keep Mr. Musharraf safe, may He deliver him from the enemies of Pakistan, May He allow Mr. Musharraf to complete the restructuring of the Pakistani State and Economy...``

And nary a word for the well-being of ordinary people in Pakistan? Musharraf will be OK -- he will retire with a pension. What about the ordinary person?

chap???????

``but Musharaff’s entire sex appeal lies in his booting the politicians and mullahs. The public presently feels cuckolded by his courting the politicians; letting the Mullahs walk after a few days behind bars..``----not quite my simple minded man. his appeal lay in the people`s exasperation with the system and their faith in his ability to deliver. The common man on the street doesnt really care about Kashmir, mullas, politicians, as long as they can make an honest living, feed their kids and themselves three times a day...it all goes to the basics. btw what does daddy have to say about your writing? just curious.

``A Sadat/Gorbachev type figure is needed and it doesn’t matter whether he/she comes from India or Pakistan...``--- Sadat/Gorbachev? you`re kidding right? either you have access to some very strange brand of history or you`re regurgitating something you overheard on the idiot box, but the two had nothing in common. Gorby may have attempted reform but he fell very flat in terms of delivering to the people - he may be the darling in the West and the US university lecture circuit...but...please go back to the books and read some Russian analysis on Gorby. He was no Sadat by a long shot.

``In politics being good is not necessarily good enough; especially when the entire citadel of goodness...``----experience speaketh young scion of punjabi politics?

``Presently the world community is ready to look the other way if a few fanatical rodents are fumigated...`` ---few? o wow. this gets better than an ISI analysis!!!! they are far from few and if anyone has any pretensions that sub kuch theek ho jaye ga...they better think again. they are neither few nor are they rodents. I`m no fundo-lover but one has to give them their due...they are better organized, highly motivated, and very smart individuals to be counted among these ``rodents``; and they know how to execute (no pun intended). While we chill and surf the net and read (and reply to ppl like Mr. Khar), these guys are out there getting their fresh harvest of recruits from the madrassas, training them and sending them to battle. Mark my words ladies and gentlemen things will get a lot worse before they get better. Welcome to Algreia-style Pakistan for a decade to come!

MS Khar, you have many good points. however, it is too late to plead to musharaf or to pray to god for seeing musharaf`s `reforms` through.

dime-a-dozen Generals of Pakistan have proved yet again that they are only capable of hoarding the wealth of the country and hallucinating people with kashmir and thus spurring on a sort of `military-industrial` complex......sorry- i meant `military-feudal` complex with which the feudals along with the dime-a-dozen generals can call all the shots.

all these faujis pissing around in every state institution from WAPDA to sports boards, look very disgusting. even maulvis like fazlur rahman are not as filthy.

ummm...forget my problems with this article, I`m more curious to know why Ali feels he needs to refer to women spreading their legs rather than giving some constructive criticism as to what is wrong with Khar`s article. If this is the only level you`re able to respond at Ali baba, then what pray tell makes you better than Khar?

http://www.theglobalist.com/nor/richter/2002/06-13-02.shtml

Globalist

http://www.theglobalist.com/nor/readlips/2002/04-30-02.shtml

``Handpicked politicians of a politically impotent denomination are flying away

towards foreign skies to promote the Kashmir cause in the world--------Leghari,

Ferrari..``

Are Leghari & Ferrari italians hired as counterweight to Sonia Gandhi?

re: rozaiba # 12

Let us be a bit charitable to individuals, even if they are power-grabbing generals.

Individuals, even incompetent and misguided ones, play only limited roles. For, each institution/system of governance has its set of peculiar/inherent weaknesses that are hard to set right. The infirmities of a military-dominated polity are all too visible in Pakistan. We in India are stuck with ``democratic`` problems - goonda raaj, rampant corruption, crooked religionism, casteism, nepotism, violence, slow growth, and sheer incompetence all around.

I sympathize with Musharraf now. His own militant game has overwhelmed him. Let us hope he is not completely washed off by the forces he nourished. There is a lot to be concerned about in both India and Pakistan. In Pakistan, I am more concerned now by the possibility a semblance of power passing into the hands of incompetent political lackey of the military, like Imran Khan. Democracy, a system bad enough even in the best of times, will get a further bad name then. Well, we will see that too.