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Rehan Ansari June 23, 2002
#246 Posted by fawad79 on July 18, 2002 7:42:37 pm
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``idiotic desi men`` ---?????????
damn yo .......ur bitter
``idiotic desi men`` ---?????????
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#245 Posted by Akash on July 18, 2002 7:42:37 pm
Fawad
``this is for all the guys my age why is that maybe its just me i have a hard time hookin up with white chicks ?????????????
``
Why white chicks only!! Give brown chicks, latinas too a chance :). Some time back, I dated a very cute latina from Columbia. It might sound like a generalization, but latinas are more humble,polite and willing to experiment. These days I am going out with an ABD:)
PS Chinese girls from the mainland are the only ones I find unbearable. They stink!!! yes literally. They eat some disgusting things that smell very strongly. American born Chinese are more polished. Saxena would agree with me :)
PPS If you wanna know abt Scandinavian girls, then consult Saxena.
``this is for all the guys my age why is that maybe its just me i have a hard time hookin up with white chicks ?????????????
``
Why white chicks only!! Give brown chicks, latinas too a chance :). Some time back, I dated a very cute latina from Columbia. It might sound like a generalization, but latinas are more humble,polite and willing to experiment. These days I am going out with an ABD:)
PS Chinese girls from the mainland are the only ones I find unbearable. They stink!!! yes literally. They eat some disgusting things that smell very strongly. American born Chinese are more polished. Saxena would agree with me :)
PPS If you wanna know abt Scandinavian girls, then consult Saxena.
#244 Posted by shankar on July 18, 2002 7:42:37 pm
scouty,
{{if shankar bhai is willing to dress up as a woman and wear red hot lipstick, i don`t see why we couldn`t invite him...}}
yeah...keep it up, hon & I`ll gatecrash your coffee clutch wearing just a thong...
i used to moonlight as a chip`n dale dancer...
{{if shankar bhai is willing to dress up as a woman and wear red hot lipstick, i don`t see why we couldn`t invite him...}}
yeah...keep it up, hon & I`ll gatecrash your coffee clutch wearing just a thong...
i used to moonlight as a chip`n dale dancer...
#243 Posted by shankar on July 18, 2002 7:42:37 pm
saxena,
{{...sure, but i doubt i`ll be much help with the chicks...}}
first you show a glimmer of conscience; now honesty...DAMN!! this is NOT going to help our friendship any...
{{...sure, but i doubt i`ll be much help with the chicks...}}
first you show a glimmer of conscience; now honesty...DAMN!! this is NOT going to help our friendship any...
#242 Posted by hobbyty on July 18, 2002 7:42:37 pm
Read and quit weeping - It`s high time something is done - Destroy feudalism and most especially destroy Obscuritanism - Of special notice to all readers - Anglo-saxon or Western concepts of Human Rights have no conflict with conception of such rights in Islam - but of course, they do in Obscuritanist Islam. Obscrutanism is a religion in it`s own right and is not Islam - This is my testimony.
From The Friday Times:
``In which country are women who have been raped liable to be charged with adultery and stoned to death in punishment?
In which country are women liable to be publicly gang-raped on the orders of “democratic” village community organizations like jirgas and panchayats in revenge for alleged crimes committed by male members of their families and clans?
In which country are young girls criminally assaulted by deranged, perverted or powerful individuals as a matter of routine and condemned to live a “shameful” lie in silence?
In which country are women killed to avenge the perceived “honour” of their male relatives, tribes, clans, village elders, and influential families even though they may not have committed any crime?
In which country are women defaced and deformed by frustrated, “acid-throwing” maniacs?
In which country are women burnt alive in “stove explosions” engineered by enraged in-laws, husbands, brothers and fathers?
In which country do judges clutch at medieval notions of dishonour, inequality, piety and even religiosity to punish and demean women?
In which country are state and society predisposed against women?
If the answers are shameful and embarrassing, we should do something about it. If it is hurtful to see the foreign media washing our filthy linen in public, we should put an end to our dirty practices. If we are appalled by such brutality, we should protest vehemently. If we are aghast at such injustice, we should institutionalize punishments for crimes against women. If our laws are misplaced or discriminatory, we should change them.
Women constitute more than half the population of Pakistan. Yet they are more illiterate, downtrodden, oppressed and exploited than any other section of society. This is a blot on our country’s face; a blot that all the nuclear or nationalist “honour” in the world will not efface. The irony is all the greater when it is lost on our leaders. In an interview some time ago with the National Geographic magazine on the subject of women’s oppression in the context of “honour killings”, General Pervez Musharraf was asked by the foreign interviewer why nothing had been done to alleviate the plight of women in Pakistan. Pat came the answer: “We don’t have the money for alleviating poverty and eradicating illiteracy and backwardness”. “But you have the money for nuclear weapons and missiles”, retorted the devious foreigner. “Yes”, said the simple soldier, “we need nuclear weapons and conventional weapons and missiles in order to live honourably”. Should General Musharraf ever get round to watching that anguished documentary, he might look out for the gleam in the interviewer’s eye. It indicts the country and convicts its leader.
Much the same sentiment can and should be expressed regarding some so-called “Islamic” laws that are demonstrably unjust and also give a bad name to Pakistan. We refer, in particular, to the blasphemy law that has been the subject of so much mischief in the name of a great and just religion. Alleged blasphemers are punished by enraged mobs. They rot in prisons or are killed awaiting trial. They are assassinated inside and outside the courts. Judges dare not acquit them. And self-avowed reformers like General Musharraf don’t have the courage of their convictions to revamp such laws. Why, then, are we surprised by the condemnation of the world when a miscarriage of justice concerning some masih or the other is splashed on television screens and some of Pakistan’s murderous laws and cultural practices are displayed in all their gory details?
Pakistan is stretched on a historical rack, an arm and a leg in antiquity and barbarism, an arm and a leg in modernity and civilisation. Old notions of sovereignty, statecraft, politics, power, patronage, despotism, honour, religion and culture vie with modern symbols of globalisation, electoral democracy, constitutionalism, accountability, civil society, gender equality, professionalism, competitiveness and universal literacy. Historic Islamic strictures contradict post-colonial Anglo-Saxon structures. Unable to find a mutuality of interests between these two streams of thought and behaviour, society is inclined to descend into a feisty confrontation between the two. As the pace of life quickens under the impact of the new world order, large swathes of state and society are uprooted and dispersed. The job of the modern prince is to channel this energy into a productive, stable and assimilated nationhood. But tragically Pakistan has lacked leaders of substance or vision.``
From The Friday Times:
``In which country are women who have been raped liable to be charged with adultery and stoned to death in punishment?
In which country are women liable to be publicly gang-raped on the orders of “democratic” village community organizations like jirgas and panchayats in revenge for alleged crimes committed by male members of their families and clans?
In which country are young girls criminally assaulted by deranged, perverted or powerful individuals as a matter of routine and condemned to live a “shameful” lie in silence?
In which country are women killed to avenge the perceived “honour” of their male relatives, tribes, clans, village elders, and influential families even though they may not have committed any crime?
In which country are women defaced and deformed by frustrated, “acid-throwing” maniacs?
In which country are women burnt alive in “stove explosions” engineered by enraged in-laws, husbands, brothers and fathers?
In which country do judges clutch at medieval notions of dishonour, inequality, piety and even religiosity to punish and demean women?
In which country are state and society predisposed against women?
If the answers are shameful and embarrassing, we should do something about it. If it is hurtful to see the foreign media washing our filthy linen in public, we should put an end to our dirty practices. If we are appalled by such brutality, we should protest vehemently. If we are aghast at such injustice, we should institutionalize punishments for crimes against women. If our laws are misplaced or discriminatory, we should change them.
Women constitute more than half the population of Pakistan. Yet they are more illiterate, downtrodden, oppressed and exploited than any other section of society. This is a blot on our country’s face; a blot that all the nuclear or nationalist “honour” in the world will not efface. The irony is all the greater when it is lost on our leaders. In an interview some time ago with the National Geographic magazine on the subject of women’s oppression in the context of “honour killings”, General Pervez Musharraf was asked by the foreign interviewer why nothing had been done to alleviate the plight of women in Pakistan. Pat came the answer: “We don’t have the money for alleviating poverty and eradicating illiteracy and backwardness”. “But you have the money for nuclear weapons and missiles”, retorted the devious foreigner. “Yes”, said the simple soldier, “we need nuclear weapons and conventional weapons and missiles in order to live honourably”. Should General Musharraf ever get round to watching that anguished documentary, he might look out for the gleam in the interviewer’s eye. It indicts the country and convicts its leader.
Much the same sentiment can and should be expressed regarding some so-called “Islamic” laws that are demonstrably unjust and also give a bad name to Pakistan. We refer, in particular, to the blasphemy law that has been the subject of so much mischief in the name of a great and just religion. Alleged blasphemers are punished by enraged mobs. They rot in prisons or are killed awaiting trial. They are assassinated inside and outside the courts. Judges dare not acquit them. And self-avowed reformers like General Musharraf don’t have the courage of their convictions to revamp such laws. Why, then, are we surprised by the condemnation of the world when a miscarriage of justice concerning some masih or the other is splashed on television screens and some of Pakistan’s murderous laws and cultural practices are displayed in all their gory details?
Pakistan is stretched on a historical rack, an arm and a leg in antiquity and barbarism, an arm and a leg in modernity and civilisation. Old notions of sovereignty, statecraft, politics, power, patronage, despotism, honour, religion and culture vie with modern symbols of globalisation, electoral democracy, constitutionalism, accountability, civil society, gender equality, professionalism, competitiveness and universal literacy. Historic Islamic strictures contradict post-colonial Anglo-Saxon structures. Unable to find a mutuality of interests between these two streams of thought and behaviour, society is inclined to descend into a feisty confrontation between the two. As the pace of life quickens under the impact of the new world order, large swathes of state and society are uprooted and dispersed. The job of the modern prince is to channel this energy into a productive, stable and assimilated nationhood. But tragically Pakistan has lacked leaders of substance or vision.``
#241 Posted by InYourFace on July 18, 2002 7:42:37 pm
shankar # 192:
After reading your post, I realize that you have absolutely no idea what America is about. What is SO GREAT about Americans if they are ``most unprejudiced humans`` only IF you adapt to their culture?
Next time you invite your American friends make such a statement to them and watch for their reaction? I suspect that they will think that is one of the MOST INSULTING statement one could make about them yet they would probably assume that they themselves are missing some `cultural aspect` of that STUPID statement and give you a benefit of doubt. That`s what is great about Americans. They tolerate stupidity. But seriously, as much as you (immigrant) adapt to America, America adapts to you. I know at least 5-6 pucca American guys who make better beef curry than I do. Those guys would have been really pissed-off if all of us Indians really adapted well and started eating ribs instead of curry. And there is this veggi gori I know, who can`t stand my sight because she thinks I am bit `TOO adapted` and actually am a fake Indian. You can`t please everybody. Pop Psychology 101: Be yourself.
Your post is based on lot of assumptions. As a true-blooded uncle Tom, I am sure you know what they say about making assumptions.
Regarding gender segregation in desi parties, I have two things to say to you:
1. Next time you just go to women’s section along with your wife. You will fit right in ... what`s with your match-making skills and ability to answer back with lot of unrelated things.
2. You must hang out with lot of old farts.
Regarding your `glee` that your daughter has only (or majority) white friends ... I know lot of desi parents who think that `not having desi friends` is some kind of achievement. Now go look for the definition of ``prejudice``. Pathetic, Old fools.
Do I sense a ``Konkani Complexion`` pride in you? I don`t know whether it is coincidence or not, but all the `KOBRA` chicks I came across were absolutely stunning.
BTW, your Kashmir position sux!!
After reading your post, I realize that you have absolutely no idea what America is about. What is SO GREAT about Americans if they are ``most unprejudiced humans`` only IF you adapt to their culture?
Next time you invite your American friends make such a statement to them and watch for their reaction? I suspect that they will think that is one of the MOST INSULTING statement one could make about them yet they would probably assume that they themselves are missing some `cultural aspect` of that STUPID statement and give you a benefit of doubt. That`s what is great about Americans. They tolerate stupidity. But seriously, as much as you (immigrant) adapt to America, America adapts to you. I know at least 5-6 pucca American guys who make better beef curry than I do. Those guys would have been really pissed-off if all of us Indians really adapted well and started eating ribs instead of curry. And there is this veggi gori I know, who can`t stand my sight because she thinks I am bit `TOO adapted` and actually am a fake Indian. You can`t please everybody. Pop Psychology 101: Be yourself.
Your post is based on lot of assumptions. As a true-blooded uncle Tom, I am sure you know what they say about making assumptions.
Regarding gender segregation in desi parties, I have two things to say to you:
1. Next time you just go to women’s section along with your wife. You will fit right in ... what`s with your match-making skills and ability to answer back with lot of unrelated things.
2. You must hang out with lot of old farts.
Regarding your `glee` that your daughter has only (or majority) white friends ... I know lot of desi parents who think that `not having desi friends` is some kind of achievement. Now go look for the definition of ``prejudice``. Pathetic, Old fools.
Do I sense a ``Konkani Complexion`` pride in you? I don`t know whether it is coincidence or not, but all the `KOBRA` chicks I came across were absolutely stunning.
BTW, your Kashmir position sux!!
#240 Posted by temporal on July 18, 2002 7:31:38 pm
ETERNAL TALES
hey koi khareedar?
achchaa maal , lay lo!
achchaa maal, sasta lay lo!
yeh madd-o-jaz`r zindagi kay
life, love, loving
(aur simmering)
subterranean constraints
almost imperceptible, lurking
in their tenuous hold
their master`s
dreams, desires
(nightmares, she says!)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
high noon in a dark church
(the first in the Caribbean, sir)
no worshippers,
peace and silence
pregnant with pride of past devotees
flaking stone slabs permeating devotion
aisay hee guzray sajdouN ki baaz-gasht
shaaer-r-mashriq nay shayad suni hogi
musjid-e-qurtuba kay sukooN ko
darham kartay hu`aye.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
in the marketplace
of life, love, living
idols and ideals
competing for (market) share
freedom and choices aplenty
horns blaring
here
`my man, my god
comes with better warranty`
and there
`listen one and all
your salvation lies
with my man, my god`
amidst this freedom (cacophony?)
appears constraint again
and life, love, living
and death
goes on...
---30---
hey koi khareedar?
achchaa maal , lay lo!
achchaa maal, sasta lay lo!
yeh madd-o-jaz`r zindagi kay
life, love, loving
(aur simmering)
subterranean constraints
almost imperceptible, lurking
in their tenuous hold
their master`s
dreams, desires
(nightmares, she says!)
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
high noon in a dark church
(the first in the Caribbean, sir)
no worshippers,
peace and silence
pregnant with pride of past devotees
flaking stone slabs permeating devotion
aisay hee guzray sajdouN ki baaz-gasht
shaaer-r-mashriq nay shayad suni hogi
musjid-e-qurtuba kay sukooN ko
darham kartay hu`aye.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
in the marketplace
of life, love, living
idols and ideals
competing for (market) share
freedom and choices aplenty
horns blaring
here
`my man, my god
comes with better warranty`
and there
`listen one and all
your salvation lies
with my man, my god`
amidst this freedom (cacophony?)
appears constraint again
and life, love, living
and death
goes on...
---30---
#239 Posted by temporal on July 18, 2002 7:29:21 pm
aamir, ana, kiran, shireen, samina, dost, AnNy, ferz:
this is the one i promised...hope you`d enjoy...after this would post another one that is `under` progress...critical bashing welcome:)...
lve,
t
________________________________________________
BEGUM ASHFAQ MUNIR KI B’RHAMI
____________________________________________
9:30 p.m.
B’rahmi
Aabshaar-e-Niagara pur girti roshniouN ki maanind
Begum Ashfaq Munir kay shafaaf chehray pur
girti, mit’ti rahi
aur Janab Ashfaq Munir
apni aaramdah koorsi pur
apnay hee halay maiN
dhaltay rahay.
SAAT-E-WAQ’FA-E-ISHTIHAAR
Nigha-haiN Janab ki
kartiN tawaaf
kamray ka ...
konay maiN rakha ghareyloo pouda
deewar pur saja’aye khaakay
ad’h bhari khaakdaan
zair-e-paa guzray lamhouN ki khabraiN
paas rakhi
sard, aah bharti chai ki piyali
aur Begum ...
is waqfay maiN
TV Guide kay rosh’naiee aalooda
lafzouN ko Qur’aan ki tarah paRRhtiiN
hijjay aur ta’laffooz d’roost
ma’anay aur mafhoom na’aashna.
MAA’MOOL
Bees jama dus saal hu’aye
wohi maa’mool
pir-juma gardish-e-nau-paanch
oothay, naha’aye, naashta kya, bag saNbhali
aur jaa’tay jaa’tay
ooper walay ki amaan maaNgi
kabhi zabaani, kabhi eesharay say
aur daftar say giyara aur teen bajay
phoni istifsaar .....
...aur waapsi pur
hasb-e-zaroorat, ya hasb-e-farmaish
doodh, anday, aspro, sa’boon,
laundry waghera
laytay hu’aye ghar lotna
khaamooshi say khana khana
shaam ka akhbar paRRhna phir
ik shaan-e-bay-nayazi say pooch’naa
‘tum theek ho naa’ aur
‘koi khabar?’
9:45 p.m.
Aur phir
apni aaramdah koorsi par
TV kay samnay....
Laikin aaj
Begum Ashfaq Munir
pichlay dinouN, maheenouN, saalouN
say kuch ziyadah hi b’rhum
nazar aati theeN.
Waqfay aatay rahay
aur hala-zun Janab Ashfaq Munir
joos’tu’joo-e-asbaab-e-br’humi-e-Begum
maiN rahay ghota-zun.
Fik’r oonhouN nay
kisi oonchay minar say
naachti hu’ee tez roshniouN ki maanind
idhar oodhar doRRai.
Laikin Begum ki munjamid br’hami ka raaz
koiee faraari qaidi tou na thaa
jo oonki fikri roshnioN ki zud maiN aajata.
11:00 p.m.
TV prograam khat’m hu’a
Janab nay daaNt maaNjhay
Begum nay bhee
aur donouN nay shub khair say guzarnay ki
thaki thaki khaahishoiuN ka
dabay dabay andaaz maiN izhar kiya
aur peeth say peeth mila kar
lait ga’aye.
______________________________________
MRS. ASHFAQ MUNIR’S RESENTMENT
9:30 p.m.
Resentment played
like the lights aimed at Niagara’s Falls
upon the smooth face of Mrs. Ashfaq Munir
and Mr. Ashfaq Munir
wriggled and settled
in the self created halo
of his recliner.
DURING COMMERCIAL BREAK
His intense gaze
would circle the room ...
the house plant in the corner
sketches on the walls
half filled ashtray
beside his feet
yesterday’s news
on the side table
once sighingly hot
now cool tea
and the Missus.....
Missus who in this break
would pick up the TV Guide
and stare intently at its words
reading it Qur’an like
understanding meaning
nor intent.
ROUTINE
Since over a score plus ten years
the same routine
Monday to Friday - nine to five
wake up, shower, breakfast,
pick up brief case and mumble good-byes
and
from the office at eleven and three
mandatory phone calls ...
And on the way back
occasionally some chores ---
milk, eggs, Tylenol,
laundry, detergent etc.....
then a quite dinner
scanning the evening news
and nonchalantly enquiring
‘how was your day’ and
‘any news?’
9:45 p.m.
And then
wriggling himself in the recliner
in front of the TV....
but today
Mrs. Ashfaq Munir
appeared more resentful
then past days, months, years.
Commercial breaks came and went
and Mr. Ashfaq Munir
ensconced in his halo in the recliner
wondered over her resentment.
His thoughts
like the lights beamed from a high tower
fell here and there on the ground.
But her resentment
(tattooed on her facial skin)
was unlike an escaped prisoner
to be frozen in its glare.
11:00 p.m.
TV viewing ended
they brushed their teeth
exchanged inaudible good-nights
turned off lights
and back to back
they laid themselves down.
-----30----
this is the one i promised...hope you`d enjoy...after this would post another one that is `under` progress...critical bashing welcome:)...
lve,
t
________________________________________________
BEGUM ASHFAQ MUNIR KI B’RHAMI
____________________________________________
9:30 p.m.
B’rahmi
Aabshaar-e-Niagara pur girti roshniouN ki maanind
Begum Ashfaq Munir kay shafaaf chehray pur
girti, mit’ti rahi
aur Janab Ashfaq Munir
apni aaramdah koorsi pur
apnay hee halay maiN
dhaltay rahay.
SAAT-E-WAQ’FA-E-ISHTIHAAR
Nigha-haiN Janab ki
kartiN tawaaf
kamray ka ...
konay maiN rakha ghareyloo pouda
deewar pur saja’aye khaakay
ad’h bhari khaakdaan
zair-e-paa guzray lamhouN ki khabraiN
paas rakhi
sard, aah bharti chai ki piyali
aur Begum ...
is waqfay maiN
TV Guide kay rosh’naiee aalooda
lafzouN ko Qur’aan ki tarah paRRhtiiN
hijjay aur ta’laffooz d’roost
ma’anay aur mafhoom na’aashna.
MAA’MOOL
Bees jama dus saal hu’aye
wohi maa’mool
pir-juma gardish-e-nau-paanch
oothay, naha’aye, naashta kya, bag saNbhali
aur jaa’tay jaa’tay
ooper walay ki amaan maaNgi
kabhi zabaani, kabhi eesharay say
aur daftar say giyara aur teen bajay
phoni istifsaar .....
...aur waapsi pur
hasb-e-zaroorat, ya hasb-e-farmaish
doodh, anday, aspro, sa’boon,
laundry waghera
laytay hu’aye ghar lotna
khaamooshi say khana khana
shaam ka akhbar paRRhna phir
ik shaan-e-bay-nayazi say pooch’naa
‘tum theek ho naa’ aur
‘koi khabar?’
9:45 p.m.
Aur phir
apni aaramdah koorsi par
TV kay samnay....
Laikin aaj
Begum Ashfaq Munir
pichlay dinouN, maheenouN, saalouN
say kuch ziyadah hi b’rhum
nazar aati theeN.
Waqfay aatay rahay
aur hala-zun Janab Ashfaq Munir
joos’tu’joo-e-asbaab-e-br’humi-e-Begum
maiN rahay ghota-zun.
Fik’r oonhouN nay
kisi oonchay minar say
naachti hu’ee tez roshniouN ki maanind
idhar oodhar doRRai.
Laikin Begum ki munjamid br’hami ka raaz
koiee faraari qaidi tou na thaa
jo oonki fikri roshnioN ki zud maiN aajata.
11:00 p.m.
TV prograam khat’m hu’a
Janab nay daaNt maaNjhay
Begum nay bhee
aur donouN nay shub khair say guzarnay ki
thaki thaki khaahishoiuN ka
dabay dabay andaaz maiN izhar kiya
aur peeth say peeth mila kar
lait ga’aye.
______________________________________
MRS. ASHFAQ MUNIR’S RESENTMENT
9:30 p.m.
Resentment played
like the lights aimed at Niagara’s Falls
upon the smooth face of Mrs. Ashfaq Munir
and Mr. Ashfaq Munir
wriggled and settled
in the self created halo
of his recliner.
DURING COMMERCIAL BREAK
His intense gaze
would circle the room ...
the house plant in the corner
sketches on the walls
half filled ashtray
beside his feet
yesterday’s news
on the side table
once sighingly hot
now cool tea
and the Missus.....
Missus who in this break
would pick up the TV Guide
and stare intently at its words
reading it Qur’an like
understanding meaning
nor intent.
ROUTINE
Since over a score plus ten years
the same routine
Monday to Friday - nine to five
wake up, shower, breakfast,
pick up brief case and mumble good-byes
and
from the office at eleven and three
mandatory phone calls ...
And on the way back
occasionally some chores ---
milk, eggs, Tylenol,
laundry, detergent etc.....
then a quite dinner
scanning the evening news
and nonchalantly enquiring
‘how was your day’ and
‘any news?’
9:45 p.m.
And then
wriggling himself in the recliner
in front of the TV....
but today
Mrs. Ashfaq Munir
appeared more resentful
then past days, months, years.
Commercial breaks came and went
and Mr. Ashfaq Munir
ensconced in his halo in the recliner
wondered over her resentment.
His thoughts
like the lights beamed from a high tower
fell here and there on the ground.
But her resentment
(tattooed on her facial skin)
was unlike an escaped prisoner
to be frozen in its glare.
11:00 p.m.
TV viewing ended
they brushed their teeth
exchanged inaudible good-nights
turned off lights
and back to back
they laid themselves down.
-----30----
#238 Posted by Banjaara on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
dost-mittar # 230
I wonder if you ever heard Iqbal Bano singing this
beautiful thumri:
ambwa ki daliyoN pe jhulna jhula ja
Ab ke sawan tau sajan ghar aa ja
or Begum Akhtar singing:
Cha rahi kaali ghata,Jiya mora lahraay hai
Regards.
I wonder if you ever heard Iqbal Bano singing this
beautiful thumri:
ambwa ki daliyoN pe jhulna jhula ja
Ab ke sawan tau sajan ghar aa ja
or Begum Akhtar singing:
Cha rahi kaali ghata,Jiya mora lahraay hai
Regards.
#237 Posted by saminashah on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
Dear Chowkies, Chowk Editors
As a fellow interactor and Internet user, I want to bring up a problem I am having with my email. You see, a particularly pathetic specimen of human being has been sending me emails with virus attachments for some months now. Here is an example of an email I received today:
``Sent: 7/15/2002 6:22:09 PM
Subject: A new game
Hi,This is a special new game
This game is my first work.
You`re the first player.
I hope you would enjoy it.
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
Say hello to your mother for me!
---``
(Notice the incorrect usage of the modal ``would``. Wanker, you don`t need to use ``would`` for the future tense. Study your grammar before you go around releasing your pissant magic. Bechara gaddha ka bacha, look it up in a dictionary)
Now I have reason to believe that the author of this email is a wanker who interacts or reads the Chowk interacts. This email was sent with an attachment that probably contains nothing or not suprisingly, the cyber version of a veneral disease said wanker apparently suffers from in real life. And now he`s trying to pass it on.
Why this affects you dear Chowkies, is because I am friends with several of y`all and we exchange emails. I`m afraid 1. that wanker wallah is trying to unload a virus on me, and subsequently y`all or 2. these emails are all smoke and mirrors and I`d like to know if other Chowkies are receiving emails similar to this one.
Much as I would like to introduce said wanker to the posterior opening of his alimentary canal via his mouth, I realize that I have other steps to take. He`ll get his karma, legally. Meanwhile, I ask y`all to be careful with your email, notify Chowk editors that this person is apparently targetting Chowkies for his cyber viruses and use one of our boards to discuss this matter, if possible.
cheers!
As a fellow interactor and Internet user, I want to bring up a problem I am having with my email. You see, a particularly pathetic specimen of human being has been sending me emails with virus attachments for some months now. Here is an example of an email I received today:
``Sent: 7/15/2002 6:22:09 PM
Subject: A new game
Hi,This is a special new game
This game is my first work.
You`re the first player.
I hope you would enjoy it.
* * * * * * * * * * * * *
Say hello to your mother for me!
---``
(Notice the incorrect usage of the modal ``would``. Wanker, you don`t need to use ``would`` for the future tense. Study your grammar before you go around releasing your pissant magic. Bechara gaddha ka bacha, look it up in a dictionary)
Now I have reason to believe that the author of this email is a wanker who interacts or reads the Chowk interacts. This email was sent with an attachment that probably contains nothing or not suprisingly, the cyber version of a veneral disease said wanker apparently suffers from in real life. And now he`s trying to pass it on.
Why this affects you dear Chowkies, is because I am friends with several of y`all and we exchange emails. I`m afraid 1. that wanker wallah is trying to unload a virus on me, and subsequently y`all or 2. these emails are all smoke and mirrors and I`d like to know if other Chowkies are receiving emails similar to this one.
Much as I would like to introduce said wanker to the posterior opening of his alimentary canal via his mouth, I realize that I have other steps to take. He`ll get his karma, legally. Meanwhile, I ask y`all to be careful with your email, notify Chowk editors that this person is apparently targetting Chowkies for his cyber viruses and use one of our boards to discuss this matter, if possible.
cheers!
#236 Posted by scout on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
saminashah,
if shankar bhai is willing to dress up as a woman and wear red hot lipstick, i don`t see why we couldn`t invite him...
if shankar bhai is willing to dress up as a woman and wear red hot lipstick, i don`t see why we couldn`t invite him...
#235 Posted by scout on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
ana #216 ``I actually stopped going to `desi` parties because of the gendered division. Everytime I would go, men log wahan, women log yahan...``
the question is, would you even want to sit with idiotic desi men? i swear most of them are UKP`s.
the question is, would you even want to sit with idiotic desi men? i swear most of them are UKP`s.
#234 Posted by fawad79 on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
re ana
thanks aunty i do need to relax but im not looking for just a hook up just a nice person a significant other what is life w.o love?
rsax
yeah sure email me sometime fawadm79@yahoo.com
thanks aunty i do need to relax but im not looking for just a hook up just a nice person a significant other what is life w.o love?
rsax
yeah sure email me sometime fawadm79@yahoo.com
#233 Posted by roohi on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
Subroto #207
I swear my cat Sona talks! Rakhan my dumb boy cat (named for a famous Bengal Tiger and resident of Tiger Island-Dreamworld on the Gold Coast) is not an evolved soul like Sona alas and it is a little beneath her to have to share a house/litter-box/cat-tree with him. Wonder what a conversation between her and Nawab would sound like ??!
I swear my cat Sona talks! Rakhan my dumb boy cat (named for a famous Bengal Tiger and resident of Tiger Island-Dreamworld on the Gold Coast) is not an evolved soul like Sona alas and it is a little beneath her to have to share a house/litter-box/cat-tree with him. Wonder what a conversation between her and Nawab would sound like ??!
#232 Posted by hobbyty on July 18, 2002 1:14:13 am
SaminaShah
Hello Samina
Save me $12 and just email it to me - if that`s possible.
``I agree. However that should not prevent us from looking for the trajectories of those manners into our present day cultures-I contend that you`ll find its pretty much the same old story. Do you agree?``
I agree that the impossibility of predicting the future must not prevent us from critical thought - of course. On finding ``it`s pretty much the same old story`` - yes and no. It`s problematic to say that we shall find the same old story - it has implications for such ideas as evolution and notions such as ``human nature`` - I am unsettled by the proposition that we may make definitive statements about these, especially since I don`t think these by definition are amenable to such. Also what we may find and construe to be ``pretty much the same story`` is actually superficial - perhaps it is the journey and the elusive destination that we might understand ``truth`` to be?
``I`m still out on that verdict; all texts are to me part of vast dialogues that we couldn`t possibly trace; its hard for me to experience any text as a flat, unalive medium.``
Excellent Samina Sahab: YOUR EXPERIENCE of any text. Who owns your experience?? Clearly the object of experience is important to the experience, yet it is not what You bring to the experience.
``Can we claim that all music/dance/painting/craftwork/science is silent and depends solely on our interpretations? Or do some of us reach a generally consensual interpretation because an effective work of art has evoked primal fears/joys/subconsci in us?``
Think of Art appreciation classes - unless we are trained to appreciate...Think of ``effective work of art`` - ``Effective``?? - is that a quality within the art? or is it a representation of how we do or not relate to the work of art? Subconscious? is that a quality of art? or again, OUR EXPERIENCE?
``What happens to the other connections that are simultaneously made and unnoticed?
On one hand, I believe the act of reading/writing is based on critical thinking processes that involve the connections of a million systems/references for the reader, training or no training.``
Connections that go unnoticed? well, they go unnoticed, that is to say we remain unawre of them. Impossible to make connections unless the paradigm of ``training`` has been established - Do we make connections without ``method``? How would making connections even be meaningful without ``method`` i.e. ``training``
``It is the task of the critical mind to keep her/himself open in understanding codes,
genres and in making interdisciplinary and sometimes contrary linkages.``
Most certainly I would agree with you - and making those connections or not, is a function of training/method.
``Well I don`t know what ``lower`` and ``higher`` faculties are. I remain by contention that humans are the most base and wretched form of life on this earth-i.e. we systematically exploit each other and this planet in ways no animal species has ever had. Our ``higher`` faculties have made us owners and not an organically a part of this planet.``
This statement in itself suggest that positing the human entirely in nature would be an error - afterall, we would then be in a position of articulating, that relationship (base and wretched) to nature - which would not be worthy of your support. Higher/lower faculites is the dialectic opposition between nature and reason. I`m sick of using that word, dialectic.
re:``... Do you think there is merit to the proposition that ``feminization`` refers to exactly the kind of paradox Eagleton constructs: that it is artificial, even as it suggests it`s ``natural`` origin and ``rootedness``?
Please refer to original post #202 2nd and 3rd para - please also consider Eagleton`s construct of the argicultural dweller who has less of the ``culture`` than does the urban dweller.
``I don`t know. Its pretty anthrocentric to assume that the human mode of ``self`` is the
only form of consciousness, when all we seem to want is ``flow`` and natural grace in ourselves and in the world. In other words, animals seem to exist in a state of regenerative harmony. They simply are. So we as humans place ourselves above animals because we have ``higher faculties`` and spend humankind trying to acheive that naturalness in the world animals have....``
I am not satisfied with this statement - Anthrocentric?? how else could a response possibly be? To the best of our knowledge, do we know that a ``consciousness`` of Self exists in any other animal except man/woman? Clearly we are not aware of any such ``consciouness``. Might we one day? possibly. Should that alter our position? Lets be clear, we will alter our position when we become aware of such a consciousness among any other than humans, in the meantime, we have no option but to formulate and act upon the knowledge we posssess now. The same as thoughts that go unnoticed, how are we to be aware of that which we are not aware of??
Should we be trying to achieve ``naturalness`` or a state of simply ``being``? Only we if we are convinced that we have no self consciousness - but how could be convinced of something like the non-existence of self consciousness without the experience of self consciousness? This is what I was referring to about ``Gilgamesh`` and the opposition of knowledge and innocence.
``I would need to know what his def. of cultivation is. I doubt Eagleton would reduce the urban, industrialized experience as less potentially exploitative and difficult than agricultural labor....however, there probably is much more possibility of class, political, social, gender and economic (and therefore cultural and material consumerism) fluidity. One`s income and social strata may change more readily than in agricultural contexts.``
I think it is unnecessary to read more into whatever his definition of cultivation - whatever else it may be, we can be sure that it means more ``tending`` and more ``natural growth`` - he contends and we experience, more cultivation (as in those who partake of culture) in urban centers than agricultural centers - Is this not so? it is difficult and unworthy to obfuscate here. Let me come directly to the point: If culture is ``tending natural growth`` why is there more of it in urban centers? Indeed, Eagleton adds, ``Cultivation, however, may not only be something we do to ourselves. It may be something done to us, not least by the political State`` - What an excellent, logical building block for an argument for ``Bildung`` and other totalitarian ``manners`` of whose trajectories we ought to be mindful of. - So while ``tending`` may have been an understanding of, for the lack of a better words, argricultural society , the historical transformation of organized society has by degree, ceased to deposit the same meaning to the word ``culture``. Is ``culture`` then better defined as the degree and character of human interactions?? Reality is as we devise to experience it, not as we wish it were.
Samina, Have you read ``the Origins of Totalitarian Democracy`` or ``Political Messianism: The Romantic Phase`` - both by J. Talmon?
Hello Samina
Save me $12 and just email it to me - if that`s possible.
``I agree. However that should not prevent us from looking for the trajectories of those manners into our present day cultures-I contend that you`ll find its pretty much the same old story. Do you agree?``
I agree that the impossibility of predicting the future must not prevent us from critical thought - of course. On finding ``it`s pretty much the same old story`` - yes and no. It`s problematic to say that we shall find the same old story - it has implications for such ideas as evolution and notions such as ``human nature`` - I am unsettled by the proposition that we may make definitive statements about these, especially since I don`t think these by definition are amenable to such. Also what we may find and construe to be ``pretty much the same story`` is actually superficial - perhaps it is the journey and the elusive destination that we might understand ``truth`` to be?
``I`m still out on that verdict; all texts are to me part of vast dialogues that we couldn`t possibly trace; its hard for me to experience any text as a flat, unalive medium.``
Excellent Samina Sahab: YOUR EXPERIENCE of any text. Who owns your experience?? Clearly the object of experience is important to the experience, yet it is not what You bring to the experience.
``Can we claim that all music/dance/painting/craftwork/science is silent and depends solely on our interpretations? Or do some of us reach a generally consensual interpretation because an effective work of art has evoked primal fears/joys/subconsci in us?``
Think of Art appreciation classes - unless we are trained to appreciate...Think of ``effective work of art`` - ``Effective``?? - is that a quality within the art? or is it a representation of how we do or not relate to the work of art? Subconscious? is that a quality of art? or again, OUR EXPERIENCE?
``What happens to the other connections that are simultaneously made and unnoticed?
On one hand, I believe the act of reading/writing is based on critical thinking processes that involve the connections of a million systems/references for the reader, training or no training.``
Connections that go unnoticed? well, they go unnoticed, that is to say we remain unawre of them. Impossible to make connections unless the paradigm of ``training`` has been established - Do we make connections without ``method``? How would making connections even be meaningful without ``method`` i.e. ``training``
``It is the task of the critical mind to keep her/himself open in understanding codes,
genres and in making interdisciplinary and sometimes contrary linkages.``
Most certainly I would agree with you - and making those connections or not, is a function of training/method.
``Well I don`t know what ``lower`` and ``higher`` faculties are. I remain by contention that humans are the most base and wretched form of life on this earth-i.e. we systematically exploit each other and this planet in ways no animal species has ever had. Our ``higher`` faculties have made us owners and not an organically a part of this planet.``
This statement in itself suggest that positing the human entirely in nature would be an error - afterall, we would then be in a position of articulating, that relationship (base and wretched) to nature - which would not be worthy of your support. Higher/lower faculites is the dialectic opposition between nature and reason. I`m sick of using that word, dialectic.
re:``... Do you think there is merit to the proposition that ``feminization`` refers to exactly the kind of paradox Eagleton constructs: that it is artificial, even as it suggests it`s ``natural`` origin and ``rootedness``?
Please refer to original post #202 2nd and 3rd para - please also consider Eagleton`s construct of the argicultural dweller who has less of the ``culture`` than does the urban dweller.
``I don`t know. Its pretty anthrocentric to assume that the human mode of ``self`` is the
only form of consciousness, when all we seem to want is ``flow`` and natural grace in ourselves and in the world. In other words, animals seem to exist in a state of regenerative harmony. They simply are. So we as humans place ourselves above animals because we have ``higher faculties`` and spend humankind trying to acheive that naturalness in the world animals have....``
I am not satisfied with this statement - Anthrocentric?? how else could a response possibly be? To the best of our knowledge, do we know that a ``consciousness`` of Self exists in any other animal except man/woman? Clearly we are not aware of any such ``consciouness``. Might we one day? possibly. Should that alter our position? Lets be clear, we will alter our position when we become aware of such a consciousness among any other than humans, in the meantime, we have no option but to formulate and act upon the knowledge we posssess now. The same as thoughts that go unnoticed, how are we to be aware of that which we are not aware of??
Should we be trying to achieve ``naturalness`` or a state of simply ``being``? Only we if we are convinced that we have no self consciousness - but how could be convinced of something like the non-existence of self consciousness without the experience of self consciousness? This is what I was referring to about ``Gilgamesh`` and the opposition of knowledge and innocence.
``I would need to know what his def. of cultivation is. I doubt Eagleton would reduce the urban, industrialized experience as less potentially exploitative and difficult than agricultural labor....however, there probably is much more possibility of class, political, social, gender and economic (and therefore cultural and material consumerism) fluidity. One`s income and social strata may change more readily than in agricultural contexts.``
I think it is unnecessary to read more into whatever his definition of cultivation - whatever else it may be, we can be sure that it means more ``tending`` and more ``natural growth`` - he contends and we experience, more cultivation (as in those who partake of culture) in urban centers than agricultural centers - Is this not so? it is difficult and unworthy to obfuscate here. Let me come directly to the point: If culture is ``tending natural growth`` why is there more of it in urban centers? Indeed, Eagleton adds, ``Cultivation, however, may not only be something we do to ourselves. It may be something done to us, not least by the political State`` - What an excellent, logical building block for an argument for ``Bildung`` and other totalitarian ``manners`` of whose trajectories we ought to be mindful of. - So while ``tending`` may have been an understanding of, for the lack of a better words, argricultural society , the historical transformation of organized society has by degree, ceased to deposit the same meaning to the word ``culture``. Is ``culture`` then better defined as the degree and character of human interactions?? Reality is as we devise to experience it, not as we wish it were.
Samina, Have you read ``the Origins of Totalitarian Democracy`` or ``Political Messianism: The Romantic Phase`` - both by J. Talmon?
#231 Posted by ana on July 17, 2002 2:43:43 pm
dost-mittar:
you farmaoed:
```thandi hawaain, lehra ke chal deen..` oof, I`m sure I`ve gotten it wrong..
...only slightly. The correct one is:
thandi hawaain, lehra ke aayaen
...are you of that vintage?``
Thank you for the `slight` correction. I knew it had to do with chalna or aana, and just wasn`t sure which. As for my vintage, hmmm...don`t know how quite to answer that, `cept to say not quite!
you farmaoed:
```thandi hawaain, lehra ke chal deen..` oof, I`m sure I`ve gotten it wrong..
...only slightly. The correct one is:
thandi hawaain, lehra ke aayaen
...are you of that vintage?``
Thank you for the `slight` correction. I knew it had to do with chalna or aana, and just wasn`t sure which. As for my vintage, hmmm...don`t know how quite to answer that, `cept to say not quite!
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