Shadowlines (Part I)
Rehan Ansari June 30, 2002
#149 Posted by tahmed321 on July 16, 2002 9:41:25 pm
Drumz #149 The article basically said that DWG (Driving While Ganjaized) is like drunk driving. Granted, if you take a bus you wont cause an accident (although you may still do odd things in public, I suppose). Personally, I think a clear mind is man`s greatest asset. And anything that interferes with this asset, whether it is ganja or heroin; or fanaticism; or mere incompetence (i.e. irrational or illogical thinking) reduces the value of this asset.
This may be a desi dad`s argument, but I`ll be damned if you can beat it.
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#148 Posted by sadna on July 16, 2002 6:25:03 pm
DRUMZ #149
I think you misinterpreted my posts but glad you liked the jokes, I did too.
Here are a few more:
A Bedouin went to market and heard them speaking bad Arabic. ``Praise be to God`, he said, ``They commit solecisms and make profits. We commit no solecisms and make no profits!``
--
Another man claimed to be a prophet in the days of the Caliph al-Ma`mun. He asked him ``What is your miracle?``.
The man said ``Ask what you wish``.
The Caliph had in his hand a lock. ``Take this and open it``, he said.
``God preserve you``, the man replied. ``I did not say that I was a blacksmith``.
The Caliph laughed, called on him to repent and let him off.
--
A man said, ``I have a pain in my eyes and as a cure I use Quran verses and prayers``. Talhak said to him, ``But you should use a little eye-salve too.``
--
A tumbler scolded his son and said ``You do no work and you waste your life in idleness. How often must I tell you to practise somersaults and to learn how to dance on a rope and to make a dog jump through a hoop so that you can achieve something with your life. If you don`t listen to me, I swear by God I shall abandon you to the madrasa to learn their dead and useless science and to become a scholar so as to live in contempt and misery and adversity and never be able to earn a penny wherever you go.``
--
Shams-i-Muzaffar said one day to his disciples, ``One should learn when one is young. What one learns in youth one never forgets in age. It is now fifty years since I learned the first verse of the Quran and I can still remember it, though I never read it since.``
--
One day Abu Nuwas was seen with a glass of wine in his hand, a bunch of grapes on his right, and a dish of raisins on his left, and every time he drank from the glass he took a grape and a raisin. ``What does this mean?``, they asked him, and he replied ``This is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.``
--
They said to a Sufi ``Sell your cloak.``. He replied, ``If a fisherman sells his net, with what shall he fish?``
I think you misinterpreted my posts but glad you liked the jokes, I did too.
Here are a few more:
A Bedouin went to market and heard them speaking bad Arabic. ``Praise be to God`, he said, ``They commit solecisms and make profits. We commit no solecisms and make no profits!``
--
Another man claimed to be a prophet in the days of the Caliph al-Ma`mun. He asked him ``What is your miracle?``.
The man said ``Ask what you wish``.
The Caliph had in his hand a lock. ``Take this and open it``, he said.
``God preserve you``, the man replied. ``I did not say that I was a blacksmith``.
The Caliph laughed, called on him to repent and let him off.
--
A man said, ``I have a pain in my eyes and as a cure I use Quran verses and prayers``. Talhak said to him, ``But you should use a little eye-salve too.``
--
A tumbler scolded his son and said ``You do no work and you waste your life in idleness. How often must I tell you to practise somersaults and to learn how to dance on a rope and to make a dog jump through a hoop so that you can achieve something with your life. If you don`t listen to me, I swear by God I shall abandon you to the madrasa to learn their dead and useless science and to become a scholar so as to live in contempt and misery and adversity and never be able to earn a penny wherever you go.``
--
Shams-i-Muzaffar said one day to his disciples, ``One should learn when one is young. What one learns in youth one never forgets in age. It is now fifty years since I learned the first verse of the Quran and I can still remember it, though I never read it since.``
--
One day Abu Nuwas was seen with a glass of wine in his hand, a bunch of grapes on his right, and a dish of raisins on his left, and every time he drank from the glass he took a grape and a raisin. ``What does this mean?``, they asked him, and he replied ``This is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.``
--
They said to a Sufi ``Sell your cloak.``. He replied, ``If a fisherman sells his net, with what shall he fish?``
#147 Posted by aakar on July 16, 2002 1:06:32 pm
zafar al-talib #145
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rishad wants to get in touch.
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#146 Posted by DRUMZ on July 16, 2002 1:06:32 pm
Tahmed: Im not sure i got the point of the article. Infact, ive never really heard any decent critique of ganja from a desi-except for various forms of the ``my mommy says its bad`` argument. There`s millions of things which can harm u if u abuse them. The article in ur site talks about lacing ganja, which i dont do. It talks about doing it while outside/driving (causing accidents), which i dont do.
Sadna: Theres a story about two monks who were travelling on a road which leads to a lake. They stopped near the lake and saw a woman struggling to cross. One monk carried the woman to the other side. They continued walking and an hour later, the other monk said ``u know we are not allowed to touch women, whyd u do it?`` The other replied ``I dropped her off an hour ago, why are u still carrying her.`` The point is ur carryin stuff from the last time we spoke. Leave it in the past, grudges take up to much energy. Secondly, u spoke about the left brain. Learn to follow a convo as it goes from the left brain to the right. This here WAS/IZ a joke-not serious. I didnt write a personal critique. I do not even know u. Ur taking a simple joke and analyzing it with the left brain and getting angry over nothing. If u think this marriage stuff was serious then we`re on completely different wavelengths. Relax (and the jokez were nice).
Zafar: The ganja thing is true, if it wasnt i would do it more often and outside etc... The hijabi remark is very true, they think sunlight is cool. Peace.
Sadna: Theres a story about two monks who were travelling on a road which leads to a lake. They stopped near the lake and saw a woman struggling to cross. One monk carried the woman to the other side. They continued walking and an hour later, the other monk said ``u know we are not allowed to touch women, whyd u do it?`` The other replied ``I dropped her off an hour ago, why are u still carrying her.`` The point is ur carryin stuff from the last time we spoke. Leave it in the past, grudges take up to much energy. Secondly, u spoke about the left brain. Learn to follow a convo as it goes from the left brain to the right. This here WAS/IZ a joke-not serious. I didnt write a personal critique. I do not even know u. Ur taking a simple joke and analyzing it with the left brain and getting angry over nothing. If u think this marriage stuff was serious then we`re on completely different wavelengths. Relax (and the jokez were nice).
Zafar: The ganja thing is true, if it wasnt i would do it more often and outside etc... The hijabi remark is very true, they think sunlight is cool. Peace.
#145 Posted by tahmed321 on July 16, 2002 1:43:47 am
Drumz #153 While ganja (a concentrated form of marijuana, as I understand) may well lie beyond the field of right and wrong as you and brother Rumi say, it certainly lies in the middle of the field of bad health. Read, in the name of thy Lord, the following URL and mend thine evil ways, O reckless youth!!
http://www.health.org/reality/
You are better off examining female anatomy with the help of the Playboy Textbook as Zafar suggests. Wont land you in an ER unless you get carried away with your fantasies and sexually assault the vacuum cleaner.
http://www.health.org/reality/
You are better off examining female anatomy with the help of the Playboy Textbook as Zafar suggests. Wont land you in an ER unless you get carried away with your fantasies and sexually assault the vacuum cleaner.
#144 Posted by saminashah on July 16, 2002 1:43:47 am
Ana, Roohi
Thanks! I hope your father is well too. That must have been very difficult. God it was so strange... my daadi had been sewing little purses for my lil bro`s wedding for a couple of months (he hasn`t made plans yet, but I guess my daadi was sending him a major hint...how do you like that? :)) and looked a bit tired, even tho she had been to a doc a month before...after the bypass, and a more ardous, complicated operation I cannot imagine, she started to dream about sewing these little purses again-I asked her if she saw the extended metaphor; her heart being sewn like a small purse...
I`ve been writing the author tips that you and anNy have been leaving on various boards. Also, Roohi, thanks! I`m going to look up In An Antique Land...it sounds very exciting-why don`t you write a review of it? You def. seem qualified! Hope to chat with you soon...
Semi-sweet,
How are you? Whats going on? Hows the writing going?
Thanks! I hope your father is well too. That must have been very difficult. God it was so strange... my daadi had been sewing little purses for my lil bro`s wedding for a couple of months (he hasn`t made plans yet, but I guess my daadi was sending him a major hint...how do you like that? :)) and looked a bit tired, even tho she had been to a doc a month before...after the bypass, and a more ardous, complicated operation I cannot imagine, she started to dream about sewing these little purses again-I asked her if she saw the extended metaphor; her heart being sewn like a small purse...
I`ve been writing the author tips that you and anNy have been leaving on various boards. Also, Roohi, thanks! I`m going to look up In An Antique Land...it sounds very exciting-why don`t you write a review of it? You def. seem qualified! Hope to chat with you soon...
Semi-sweet,
How are you? Whats going on? Hows the writing going?
#143 Posted by sadna on July 15, 2002 5:49:52 pm
DRUMZ #141
The thing is that I am not willing to write a matching personal critique of the person who does so about me, so I feel these personal exchanges are asymmetrical and unfair and want out. Can`t you accept that and cheer up? I haven`t stopped you from ek-tarfa bitching about me, have I?
As peace offering. My brother told me about two volumes on Islamic writings. ``Islam From the Prophet Muhammad to the Capture of Constantinople``, edited and translated by Bernard Lewis. Oxford University Press. (available on B&N and Amazon)
There is a chapter on Humor which contains jokes and anecdotes from the ninth century, from a thirteenth century Persian joke book and from a fourteenth century Arabic joke book.
Here are a few:
In the month of Ramadan, someone said to a dealer, ``In this month there is no business``. He answered ``God give long life to the Jews and Christians``
--
Some people came to al-Rustumi`s house on some business and the time came for the midday prayer. They asked him. ``Which is the direction of Mecca in this house of yours?``. He replied ``I only moved in a month ago``.
--
In the time of the Caliph Wathiq a woman laid claim to prophethood.
The Caliph asked her `` Was Muhammad a Prophet?`` ``Certainly`` she replied.
``Then`` said the Caliph, ``since Muhammad said `There will be no Prophet after me` your claim is false``.
The woman replied, ``He said, `There will be no Prophet after me`. He did not say, `There will be no Prophetess after me.```
--
Someone said to Ash`ab[a famous humorist of the early eighth century] ``If you were to relate traditions[hadith] and stop telling jokes, you would be doing a noble thing``
``By God``, answered Ash`ab. ``I have heard traditions and related them``.
``Then tell us`` said the man.
``I heard from Nafi```, said Ash`ab, ``on the authority of Ibn `Umar, that the Prophet of God, may God bless and save him, said `There are two qualities, such that whoever has them is among God`s elect.```
``That is a fine tradition`` said the man. ``What are these two qualities?``
``Nafi` forgot the one and I have forgotten the other`` said Ash`ab.
The thing is that I am not willing to write a matching personal critique of the person who does so about me, so I feel these personal exchanges are asymmetrical and unfair and want out. Can`t you accept that and cheer up? I haven`t stopped you from ek-tarfa bitching about me, have I?
As peace offering. My brother told me about two volumes on Islamic writings. ``Islam From the Prophet Muhammad to the Capture of Constantinople``, edited and translated by Bernard Lewis. Oxford University Press. (available on B&N and Amazon)
There is a chapter on Humor which contains jokes and anecdotes from the ninth century, from a thirteenth century Persian joke book and from a fourteenth century Arabic joke book.
Here are a few:
In the month of Ramadan, someone said to a dealer, ``In this month there is no business``. He answered ``God give long life to the Jews and Christians``
--
Some people came to al-Rustumi`s house on some business and the time came for the midday prayer. They asked him. ``Which is the direction of Mecca in this house of yours?``. He replied ``I only moved in a month ago``.
--
In the time of the Caliph Wathiq a woman laid claim to prophethood.
The Caliph asked her `` Was Muhammad a Prophet?`` ``Certainly`` she replied.
``Then`` said the Caliph, ``since Muhammad said `There will be no Prophet after me` your claim is false``.
The woman replied, ``He said, `There will be no Prophet after me`. He did not say, `There will be no Prophetess after me.```
--
Someone said to Ash`ab[a famous humorist of the early eighth century] ``If you were to relate traditions[hadith] and stop telling jokes, you would be doing a noble thing``
``By God``, answered Ash`ab. ``I have heard traditions and related them``.
``Then tell us`` said the man.
``I heard from Nafi```, said Ash`ab, ``on the authority of Ibn `Umar, that the Prophet of God, may God bless and save him, said `There are two qualities, such that whoever has them is among God`s elect.```
``That is a fine tradition`` said the man. ``What are these two qualities?``
``Nafi` forgot the one and I have forgotten the other`` said Ash`ab.
#142 Posted by DRUMZ on July 15, 2002 1:40:05 pm
Tahmed: ``Really, really bad advice. Same results can be achieved by serenely reflection upon things.``
Rumi said ``meet me at the field beyond right and wrong.`` There is real difference between using something and misusing it. People cant grasp that idea because the second they think of ganja, they think of all the bad it does. Ganja is not right or wrong, its use is what determines such.
Ganja was/is used by almost all orders which aim to cause internal evolution simply because it allows one to do something EASIER then meditation alone. Moreover, it allows one to function at a different level, increasing mind control, focusing on the present etc. If ur sharp, ull be able to bring the high naturally, but that takes practise.
Ganja is not a need. U dont get urges to smoke it-mind control kills that. It is an external element which may help or hinder one in his progression. Usually the people who say u can get at it through meditation have either not tried weed or meditation (just my experience). Peace.
Rumi said ``meet me at the field beyond right and wrong.`` There is real difference between using something and misusing it. People cant grasp that idea because the second they think of ganja, they think of all the bad it does. Ganja is not right or wrong, its use is what determines such.
Ganja was/is used by almost all orders which aim to cause internal evolution simply because it allows one to do something EASIER then meditation alone. Moreover, it allows one to function at a different level, increasing mind control, focusing on the present etc. If ur sharp, ull be able to bring the high naturally, but that takes practise.
Ganja is not a need. U dont get urges to smoke it-mind control kills that. It is an external element which may help or hinder one in his progression. Usually the people who say u can get at it through meditation have either not tried weed or meditation (just my experience). Peace.
#141 Posted by tahmed321 on July 15, 2002 1:46:37 am
Drumz #141 ``Acid victims, rape victims and the like have a right to be upset and sensitive, but not someone who`s caught feelings on an internet message board.``
Good advice.
you continue ``And yes ganja also teaches people how to remain calm and to focus on the present (not carry grudges) and to not center themselves around the opinions of others...``
Really, really bad advice. Same results can be achieved by serenely reflection upon things (if you wish, you can adopt a Buddha pose while serenely reflecting), thus becoming a truly liberated man - free of the need for ganja to be calm and grudge-free and able to tell right from wrong.
Good advice.
you continue ``And yes ganja also teaches people how to remain calm and to focus on the present (not carry grudges) and to not center themselves around the opinions of others...``
Really, really bad advice. Same results can be achieved by serenely reflection upon things (if you wish, you can adopt a Buddha pose while serenely reflecting), thus becoming a truly liberated man - free of the need for ganja to be calm and grudge-free and able to tell right from wrong.
#140 Posted by DRUMZ on July 14, 2002 4:07:48 pm
Samina: Life is too short to keep biting ones tongue, nuthing offensive was said intentionally, if it was taken as such then people need to grow thicker skin. Acid victims, rape victims and the like have a right to be upset and sensitive, but not someone who`s caught feelings on an internet message board. And yes ganja also teaches people how to remain calm and to focus on the present (not carry grudges) and to not center themselves around the opinions of others...
As for the poetry, I agree. Im not saying my views are for everyone. That post was relative to me (MY opinion). Im not a poetry buff, if u are thats cool, i just gave some reasons why i dont like it. However, i do agree that it is a very valuable artform etc etc...
As for the poetry, I agree. Im not saying my views are for everyone. That post was relative to me (MY opinion). Im not a poetry buff, if u are thats cool, i just gave some reasons why i dont like it. However, i do agree that it is a very valuable artform etc etc...
#139 Posted by jay on July 14, 2002 7:35:52 am
aicha 130,
Look at today (sunday) dawn, front page on the internet. It has two items about india, isreal is there, all relate to what kafirs are doing. There is no news about pakistan, some positive news, about some factory being opened, something about education, something about economic plans. This we are talking about pakistans english language paper tergeting the educated, may be even the pakis abroad.
Now tell me aicha why this precoccupations with kafirs. If you can link this to some social value, some aspect of the education, I am most eager to hear.
Please leave out zia, and other kafirs. As a refernce look at times of india worlds largest circulation english news paper. Assuming that the people of pakistan had more or less similar valuses fifty years ago, how did this transition take place. There has to be something that pakistanis have done in the last few years has to account for this. I am ready to make a concession, leave the darwenian selection of TNT believers that made up pakistan.
regards
Jay
Look at today (sunday) dawn, front page on the internet. It has two items about india, isreal is there, all relate to what kafirs are doing. There is no news about pakistan, some positive news, about some factory being opened, something about education, something about economic plans. This we are talking about pakistans english language paper tergeting the educated, may be even the pakis abroad.
Now tell me aicha why this precoccupations with kafirs. If you can link this to some social value, some aspect of the education, I am most eager to hear.
Please leave out zia, and other kafirs. As a refernce look at times of india worlds largest circulation english news paper. Assuming that the people of pakistan had more or less similar valuses fifty years ago, how did this transition take place. There has to be something that pakistanis have done in the last few years has to account for this. I am ready to make a concession, leave the darwenian selection of TNT believers that made up pakistan.
regards
Jay
#138 Posted by sadna on July 14, 2002 1:03:04 am
saminashah #137
No, no, and again no. You have absolutely nothing to apologize to me for, please!
After a mostly left-brain education(which I enjoyed ), some right-brain stuff just makes my head hurt :). But the poem/interview is beautiful in its simplicity, thanks for posting it! I did a google just now and found what you poetry buffs know already, ofcourse, that Ms? Tamiki was witness to the horrors at Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
No, no, and again no. You have absolutely nothing to apologize to me for, please!
After a mostly left-brain education(which I enjoyed ), some right-brain stuff just makes my head hurt :). But the poem/interview is beautiful in its simplicity, thanks for posting it! I did a google just now and found what you poetry buffs know already, ofcourse, that Ms? Tamiki was witness to the horrors at Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
#137 Posted by DRUMZ on July 14, 2002 12:11:07 am
Sadna: ``Er why gothic? Evidently, I am not a poem hence its OK to attempt a sherlock on me. At least I fought fair.``
LOL, Gothic cuz ur too serious. ``Fighting fair``?? This is hardly a fight, it is a build on an internet message board. U need to LIGHTEN UP (some weed), relax and calm down, stop being aggrivated at the slightest of things.
Scout: Thanks but i dont celebrate them. Where have u been anyways?
LOL, Gothic cuz ur too serious. ``Fighting fair``?? This is hardly a fight, it is a build on an internet message board. U need to LIGHTEN UP (some weed), relax and calm down, stop being aggrivated at the slightest of things.
Scout: Thanks but i dont celebrate them. Where have u been anyways?
#136 Posted by saminashah on July 14, 2002 12:11:07 am
Sadna, Zafar and Drumz,
Yipes....major apologies...didn`t know that this wasn`t fun for you guys-as you know, I can amuse myself for days pondering this stuff. So yes, everyone is let out of this q-and-a, even tho apparently everyone left a l-o-n-g time ago...(take a deep breath, Samina).
Well Zafar, guess its back to the Pinkyfeld to me....
Sadna
Your interpret. was interesting. If you are interested in discussing the poem, let me know....def. don`t want to coerce you.... My apologies for any untowardness. Yes, I most certainly will see you soon! :)
Drumz
Arre, mah apka saath kya kar oonghi? My apologies for misunderstanding your spirit/peyote-like application of the boodha. The hijabi hi times thing I gots to see to believe....can you pass on some of the conversation from that?
Poetry: Dude, its just not that simple. Do I diss your spiritual ruminations? Do I say its relevant only to you? To me, poetry is the presence, and the non presence of God. Its definitely the glimpse into the invisible and sometimes, the visible world....vasai, lets agree to disagree and leave it there.
aicha
I love you. Yes, the answer is blue is the color of greed...
Yipes....major apologies...didn`t know that this wasn`t fun for you guys-as you know, I can amuse myself for days pondering this stuff. So yes, everyone is let out of this q-and-a, even tho apparently everyone left a l-o-n-g time ago...(take a deep breath, Samina).
Well Zafar, guess its back to the Pinkyfeld to me....
Sadna
Your interpret. was interesting. If you are interested in discussing the poem, let me know....def. don`t want to coerce you.... My apologies for any untowardness. Yes, I most certainly will see you soon! :)
Drumz
Arre, mah apka saath kya kar oonghi? My apologies for misunderstanding your spirit/peyote-like application of the boodha. The hijabi hi times thing I gots to see to believe....can you pass on some of the conversation from that?
Poetry: Dude, its just not that simple. Do I diss your spiritual ruminations? Do I say its relevant only to you? To me, poetry is the presence, and the non presence of God. Its definitely the glimpse into the invisible and sometimes, the visible world....vasai, lets agree to disagree and leave it there.
aicha
I love you. Yes, the answer is blue is the color of greed...
#135 Posted by anNy on July 14, 2002 12:11:07 am
``Ali has just copped a job at the airport so he is vewy bizzy``
yowowowowowoow!!!
yowowowowowoow!!!
#134 Posted by sadna on July 13, 2002 3:19:39 pm
DRUMZ #133
Er why gothic? Evidently, I am not a poem hence its OK to attempt a sherlock on me. At least I fought fair.
Organisers: This being the same-old same-old bash-youknowwho fest, I am definitely excused. See you around!
Er why gothic? Evidently, I am not a poem hence its OK to attempt a sherlock on me. At least I fought fair.
Organisers: This being the same-old same-old bash-youknowwho fest, I am definitely excused. See you around!
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