Of Evil Zionists and the Great Satan
Asad Zaidi July 3, 2002
#271 Posted by harimau on July 28, 2002 12:01:47 pm
Ref Prof. Hobbs #: 268
[Harimanu
You say to me ``How about some questions that YOU can choose to answer?``
My answer to YOU: ``I choose not to answer, but good questions``
happy? No? try to live up to your promise to wait for answers - they will come, but you gotta wait.]
I guess if I accept your religious beliefs, I might have to wait till Judgment Day whereas according to my beliefs, I will have to wait until I finish several re-incarnations. And even then, Hell is not likely to freeze over!
Ah well, you can`t say I didn`t give you or Mullah321 an escape clause. The curse of the Hindus: they are always so nice to their opponents!
[Harimanu
You say to me ``How about some questions that YOU can choose to answer?``
My answer to YOU: ``I choose not to answer, but good questions``
happy? No? try to live up to your promise to wait for answers - they will come, but you gotta wait.]
I guess if I accept your religious beliefs, I might have to wait till Judgment Day whereas according to my beliefs, I will have to wait until I finish several re-incarnations. And even then, Hell is not likely to freeze over!
Ah well, you can`t say I didn`t give you or Mullah321 an escape clause. The curse of the Hindus: they are always so nice to their opponents!
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#270 Posted by rsridhar on July 26, 2002 10:48:18 pm
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Ashok,
The url works perfectly. Anyway, i am posting the entire article:
``Nalanda - The Ancient City of Knowledge
By PRANAV KHULLAR
Nalanda, like Rome, was not built in a day. It took several centuries to evolve, diversify and extend its civilizing influence not only to all corners of the country but to lands as distant as China, Japan, Malaysia, Java, Sumatra, Korea, Nepal and Tibet. Originally a mango-grove called Pavarika in the village Bargoan in Bihar, the place was sanctified by the Sakyamuni (Gautam Buddha) himself when the Enlightened One broke journey here to halt and rest, not once but several times. Ashoka built a Vihara (monastery) here and Harsha made it possible for a thousand scholars to delve deep into a hundred disciplines everyday in its numerous halls and more numerous temples.
Contemporary eye-witness accounts testify that there were so many Viharas around Nalanda, Rajgriha and Vikramsila that the whole area was called Bihara, from which the present day Indian state of Bihar derives its name. The transformation of Nalanda Vihara into the Nalanda university was the result of a rich heritage which helped it become an international center of education and culture. Nalanda stood for freedom in learning, thought, expression and action.
This heritage was both non-Buddhist and Buddhist. While the former included the Vedas and the Puranas, the latter consisted of works such as Vinay Pitaka, Dhammapada, Abhidhamma and Majhima Nikaya, with excellent commentaries by scholars such as Nagarjuna, Maiteriya, Asanga, Vasubandhu and Dinnaga, who defined and refined Buddhism in its various facets and dispensations. Nalanda, therefore, honoured thought and men of thought in the best of Indian traditions.
Nalanda was a residential university like so many others in those times, such as Taxila, Ujjaini, Vallabhi, Vikramsila and Amravati.
Yet, it was a university with a difference. The Gate Keepers of Nalanda were scholars of the highest repute, well versed in their subjects and drawn from the best in the country to examine the fresh entrants at the Gate itself. This was a novel method of ‘Entrance Examination’ and deserves admiration when we consider the historical context of Nalanda’s period.
The Gate Examination was very tough. Seven or eight scholars out of every ten were unsuccessful. So the scholars came to the gates of Nalanda again and again, till they were selected. It must have been an extraordinary spectacle to see these scholars, from all parts of the world assemble at Nalanda seeking admission. Merit alone was the criteria and even the Vice Chancellor had no discretion.
There are records of instances where scholars either belonging to or patronized by royal families were rejected, in spite of the fact that the expenses of Nalanda were met with from royal grants of village revenues. There is evidence that the revenues of several villages were granted to Nalanda, for the maintenance of its hostels and the administration of its temples and Viharas.
Several Chinese scholars and monks visited, studied and taught at Nalanda. Their memoirs are a rich and authentic source for the reconstruction of academic life at Nalanda. According to one such scholar-monk, I-Tsing, the minimum age for admission to Nalanda was 20 years. This indicates that scholars who had already passed out from some other university were admitted to Nalanda to pursue higher knowledge.
We also have the evidence from Hiuen Tsang, the Chinese pilgrim who came to Nalanda in the days of the “Good King” Harsha. He confirms that “learned men from different cities, who desire to acquire renown in discussion, come (to Nalanda) in multitudes to settle their doubts.” The Gate-Keepers of Nalanda were in fact, the Gate-Keepers of India’s knowledge, her culture and heritage. Anyone was welcome for an open discussion on any aspect of religion, philosophy, law and life.
To be admitted to this great center of learning was a matter of great pride and prestige. Its multi-disciplinary approach to learning attracted students from far off lands. Although the subject of theology was compulsory, Nalanda was not a sectarian or a religious university imparting only Buddhist thought; other subjects were taught as fervently.
Almost all sciences, including the science of medicine were taught. So were the Upanishads and the Vedas. Panini’s grammar, the science of pronunciation (Phonetics), etymology, Indology and Yoga were all included in the curricula. Surprisingly, even archery was taught. Hiuen Tsang himself learnt Yogasastra from Jayasena. When King Harsha requested Shilabhadra to send four learned scholars to Orissa to debate with the heretics, Hiuen Tsang was chosen to be one of them.
Hiuen Tsang, who stayed at the university for 17 years, first as a student and later as a professor under the Master, Shilabhadra, came to India via the Gobi desert and entered Kashmir through the Himalayas.
At Nalanda, he was received at the Gate with a thousand lamps, his erudition and reputation having travelled faster than him. Here he studied to obtain the degree of Master of Law and became the Vice-Principal of this great University. The head of the University was called ‘Pandita’ and Shilabhadra occupied this position when Hieun Tsang came to join as a student. In no time, the new entrant rose in the estimates of Shilabhadra who sent him out on difficult assignments involving long and perilous journeys.
According to Hieun Tsang’s description, the daily schedule at Nalanda was packed with rituals. The day began with a call for the morning bath. It seems that a morning bath was compulsory for every inmate; at least it was obligatory to bathe at the prescribed hour. The bath was followed by the ablution of the holy image of Buddha, by furnishing heaps of flowers and incense, a fairly prolonged ritual accompanied by recitation of stotras and singing of hymns. Afterwards, the inmates had their meagre breakfast.
Thereafter, they went to their respective halls for discussion. In the afternoon, another ritual called ‘Caitya Vandana’ was held, wherein priests assembled at the main mate of the monastery and sang songs in praise of Sakyamuni. They could go out in the evenings and the night was meant for repose.
Knowledge of Sanskrit was essential and it meant having a complete mastery over Sanskrit grammar, literature and correct pronunciation. The method of teaching was tutorial followed by discussions.
Listening to the discussions was education. It is extraordinary that the discussions continued throughout the day and, indeed, the night. Nalanda scholars never tired of discussions; rather, they welcomed them. Hieun Tsang was deeply impressed with the discipline at Nalanda. In its existence of about 700 years at the time of his visit, there had not been a single case of any strike or disturbance or even commotion (except intellectual ferment) at the University. Besides, there were discourses open to all where all subjects from life to death were discussed.
According to I-Tsing: “They arrange every day about hundred pulpits for preaching, and the students attend these discourses without fail, even for a minute.” There was no writing work for Nalanda scholars except the copying of manuscripts and texts. It may be recalled that both Hiuen Tsang and I-Tsing carried huge loads of such texts back to China upon their return.
Nalanda was an example of the Guru-Shishya parampara, a great Indian tradition. The authority of the Guru teacher) over the shishya (student) was absolute, and yet, dissent was permitted in academic matters. The tradition, although going back thousands of years, flourished at Nalanda more than elsewhere.
Describing the Guru-Shishya relationship, I-Tsing says: “He (Shishya) goes to the teacher at the first watch and at the last watch in the night. First the teacher bids him to sit down comfortably. Selecting some passages from Tripatakas, he gives a lesson in a way that suits the circumstances and does not leave any fact or theory unexplained. He inspects his pupil’s moral conduct, and warns him of defects and transgressions. Whenever he finds his pupil at fault, he makes him seek remedies and repent. The pupil rubs the teacher’s body, folds his clothes and sometimes sweeps the apartment and the yard. Then having examined the water to ensure there are no insects in it, he gives it to his teacher. Thus, if there is anything to be done, he does all on behalf of the teacher.” No fees of any kind were charged at Nalanda for the studies. No price was paid for food or clothes or accommodation. There was no punishment of any kind.
For the faults or the defects of the students, the teachers punished themselves. The teacher-pupil relation was like that of the father and his son. The greatest delight and the highest reward of the teacher came when his pupil outshone him. Sakyamuni had even laid down detailed duties and responsibilities of the teachers and the pupils, from early morning till might when the teacher went to sleep. In the words of Gautama the Buddha, “the pupil is also to act as a check, as it were, upon the preceptor, in keeping him steadfast in the faith.”
The fall of Nalanda at the hands of the Turks is a story too deep for tears. The City of Knowledge, which took several centuries to build, took only a few hours to be destroyed. Legend has it that when some monks fell at the feet of the invaders to spare at least its world-famed library, Ratnabodhi, they were thrown in the fire along with the books. The rest fled, and Nalanda was relegated to a memory. Thus ended the story of Nalanda till it was re-told first by Hamilton and later by Alexander Cunningham. The excavations started in 1915 and continued for twenty years. Yet much remains to be done. At the Nav Nalanda Mahavihara, which stands close to this ancient site, Sakyamuni seems to beckon all men of knowledge to restore the glory of this greatest center of learning of the yore.``
There is no controversy among scholars as to the existence of this university. Much of what existed was destroyed by invaders. A lot of what transpired was kept alive by word of mouth and written later by Arab/muslim historians. Do you doubt if truth can be kept alive by word of mouth? The greatest eg in front of you is the vedas which were kept alive by sages throughout the remote past by a process of transmission by an ``oral tradition``. Much later, it was committed to a written form. Only much later.
Sridhar
Ashok,
The url works perfectly. Anyway, i am posting the entire article:
``Nalanda - The Ancient City of Knowledge
By PRANAV KHULLAR
Nalanda, like Rome, was not built in a day. It took several centuries to evolve, diversify and extend its civilizing influence not only to all corners of the country but to lands as distant as China, Japan, Malaysia, Java, Sumatra, Korea, Nepal and Tibet. Originally a mango-grove called Pavarika in the village Bargoan in Bihar, the place was sanctified by the Sakyamuni (Gautam Buddha) himself when the Enlightened One broke journey here to halt and rest, not once but several times. Ashoka built a Vihara (monastery) here and Harsha made it possible for a thousand scholars to delve deep into a hundred disciplines everyday in its numerous halls and more numerous temples.
Contemporary eye-witness accounts testify that there were so many Viharas around Nalanda, Rajgriha and Vikramsila that the whole area was called Bihara, from which the present day Indian state of Bihar derives its name. The transformation of Nalanda Vihara into the Nalanda university was the result of a rich heritage which helped it become an international center of education and culture. Nalanda stood for freedom in learning, thought, expression and action.
This heritage was both non-Buddhist and Buddhist. While the former included the Vedas and the Puranas, the latter consisted of works such as Vinay Pitaka, Dhammapada, Abhidhamma and Majhima Nikaya, with excellent commentaries by scholars such as Nagarjuna, Maiteriya, Asanga, Vasubandhu and Dinnaga, who defined and refined Buddhism in its various facets and dispensations. Nalanda, therefore, honoured thought and men of thought in the best of Indian traditions.
Nalanda was a residential university like so many others in those times, such as Taxila, Ujjaini, Vallabhi, Vikramsila and Amravati.
Yet, it was a university with a difference. The Gate Keepers of Nalanda were scholars of the highest repute, well versed in their subjects and drawn from the best in the country to examine the fresh entrants at the Gate itself. This was a novel method of ‘Entrance Examination’ and deserves admiration when we consider the historical context of Nalanda’s period.
The Gate Examination was very tough. Seven or eight scholars out of every ten were unsuccessful. So the scholars came to the gates of Nalanda again and again, till they were selected. It must have been an extraordinary spectacle to see these scholars, from all parts of the world assemble at Nalanda seeking admission. Merit alone was the criteria and even the Vice Chancellor had no discretion.
There are records of instances where scholars either belonging to or patronized by royal families were rejected, in spite of the fact that the expenses of Nalanda were met with from royal grants of village revenues. There is evidence that the revenues of several villages were granted to Nalanda, for the maintenance of its hostels and the administration of its temples and Viharas.
Several Chinese scholars and monks visited, studied and taught at Nalanda. Their memoirs are a rich and authentic source for the reconstruction of academic life at Nalanda. According to one such scholar-monk, I-Tsing, the minimum age for admission to Nalanda was 20 years. This indicates that scholars who had already passed out from some other university were admitted to Nalanda to pursue higher knowledge.
We also have the evidence from Hiuen Tsang, the Chinese pilgrim who came to Nalanda in the days of the “Good King” Harsha. He confirms that “learned men from different cities, who desire to acquire renown in discussion, come (to Nalanda) in multitudes to settle their doubts.” The Gate-Keepers of Nalanda were in fact, the Gate-Keepers of India’s knowledge, her culture and heritage. Anyone was welcome for an open discussion on any aspect of religion, philosophy, law and life.
To be admitted to this great center of learning was a matter of great pride and prestige. Its multi-disciplinary approach to learning attracted students from far off lands. Although the subject of theology was compulsory, Nalanda was not a sectarian or a religious university imparting only Buddhist thought; other subjects were taught as fervently.
Almost all sciences, including the science of medicine were taught. So were the Upanishads and the Vedas. Panini’s grammar, the science of pronunciation (Phonetics), etymology, Indology and Yoga were all included in the curricula. Surprisingly, even archery was taught. Hiuen Tsang himself learnt Yogasastra from Jayasena. When King Harsha requested Shilabhadra to send four learned scholars to Orissa to debate with the heretics, Hiuen Tsang was chosen to be one of them.
Hiuen Tsang, who stayed at the university for 17 years, first as a student and later as a professor under the Master, Shilabhadra, came to India via the Gobi desert and entered Kashmir through the Himalayas.
At Nalanda, he was received at the Gate with a thousand lamps, his erudition and reputation having travelled faster than him. Here he studied to obtain the degree of Master of Law and became the Vice-Principal of this great University. The head of the University was called ‘Pandita’ and Shilabhadra occupied this position when Hieun Tsang came to join as a student. In no time, the new entrant rose in the estimates of Shilabhadra who sent him out on difficult assignments involving long and perilous journeys.
According to Hieun Tsang’s description, the daily schedule at Nalanda was packed with rituals. The day began with a call for the morning bath. It seems that a morning bath was compulsory for every inmate; at least it was obligatory to bathe at the prescribed hour. The bath was followed by the ablution of the holy image of Buddha, by furnishing heaps of flowers and incense, a fairly prolonged ritual accompanied by recitation of stotras and singing of hymns. Afterwards, the inmates had their meagre breakfast.
Thereafter, they went to their respective halls for discussion. In the afternoon, another ritual called ‘Caitya Vandana’ was held, wherein priests assembled at the main mate of the monastery and sang songs in praise of Sakyamuni. They could go out in the evenings and the night was meant for repose.
Knowledge of Sanskrit was essential and it meant having a complete mastery over Sanskrit grammar, literature and correct pronunciation. The method of teaching was tutorial followed by discussions.
Listening to the discussions was education. It is extraordinary that the discussions continued throughout the day and, indeed, the night. Nalanda scholars never tired of discussions; rather, they welcomed them. Hieun Tsang was deeply impressed with the discipline at Nalanda. In its existence of about 700 years at the time of his visit, there had not been a single case of any strike or disturbance or even commotion (except intellectual ferment) at the University. Besides, there were discourses open to all where all subjects from life to death were discussed.
According to I-Tsing: “They arrange every day about hundred pulpits for preaching, and the students attend these discourses without fail, even for a minute.” There was no writing work for Nalanda scholars except the copying of manuscripts and texts. It may be recalled that both Hiuen Tsang and I-Tsing carried huge loads of such texts back to China upon their return.
Nalanda was an example of the Guru-Shishya parampara, a great Indian tradition. The authority of the Guru teacher) over the shishya (student) was absolute, and yet, dissent was permitted in academic matters. The tradition, although going back thousands of years, flourished at Nalanda more than elsewhere.
Describing the Guru-Shishya relationship, I-Tsing says: “He (Shishya) goes to the teacher at the first watch and at the last watch in the night. First the teacher bids him to sit down comfortably. Selecting some passages from Tripatakas, he gives a lesson in a way that suits the circumstances and does not leave any fact or theory unexplained. He inspects his pupil’s moral conduct, and warns him of defects and transgressions. Whenever he finds his pupil at fault, he makes him seek remedies and repent. The pupil rubs the teacher’s body, folds his clothes and sometimes sweeps the apartment and the yard. Then having examined the water to ensure there are no insects in it, he gives it to his teacher. Thus, if there is anything to be done, he does all on behalf of the teacher.” No fees of any kind were charged at Nalanda for the studies. No price was paid for food or clothes or accommodation. There was no punishment of any kind.
For the faults or the defects of the students, the teachers punished themselves. The teacher-pupil relation was like that of the father and his son. The greatest delight and the highest reward of the teacher came when his pupil outshone him. Sakyamuni had even laid down detailed duties and responsibilities of the teachers and the pupils, from early morning till might when the teacher went to sleep. In the words of Gautama the Buddha, “the pupil is also to act as a check, as it were, upon the preceptor, in keeping him steadfast in the faith.”
The fall of Nalanda at the hands of the Turks is a story too deep for tears. The City of Knowledge, which took several centuries to build, took only a few hours to be destroyed. Legend has it that when some monks fell at the feet of the invaders to spare at least its world-famed library, Ratnabodhi, they were thrown in the fire along with the books. The rest fled, and Nalanda was relegated to a memory. Thus ended the story of Nalanda till it was re-told first by Hamilton and later by Alexander Cunningham. The excavations started in 1915 and continued for twenty years. Yet much remains to be done. At the Nav Nalanda Mahavihara, which stands close to this ancient site, Sakyamuni seems to beckon all men of knowledge to restore the glory of this greatest center of learning of the yore.``
There is no controversy among scholars as to the existence of this university. Much of what existed was destroyed by invaders. A lot of what transpired was kept alive by word of mouth and written later by Arab/muslim historians. Do you doubt if truth can be kept alive by word of mouth? The greatest eg in front of you is the vedas which were kept alive by sages throughout the remote past by a process of transmission by an ``oral tradition``. Much later, it was committed to a written form. Only much later.
Sridhar
#269 Posted by anNy on July 26, 2002 2:02:52 pm
gentlemne..can we please stop being nasty..itna acha mausam, itnee buree batain..please smile and make up
ana!
your ma sounds wonderful..mine is a cutie, gets all red in the face and goes shhhhh, hushhhhhhh if i or my sibling get adventurous with our french though mine is severely limited due to a most irritatingly boring upbringing and shareef ghar ka mahole..please please feel free to make up for my deprived childhood
ana!
your ma sounds wonderful..mine is a cutie, gets all red in the face and goes shhhhh, hushhhhhhh if i or my sibling get adventurous with our french though mine is severely limited due to a most irritatingly boring upbringing and shareef ghar ka mahole..please please feel free to make up for my deprived childhood
#268 Posted by harimau on July 26, 2002 2:02:52 pm
Ref ana #: 271
[harimau..
hasbe maa`mool, your slip of ignorance is showing..jaldi se chupa do ussko, ek dum futafut!]
I am posing my questions to Mullah321 and Hobbyty from the safety of India. I realize if I step into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, I will get condemned to death for blasphemy but then I have no plans to visit that paradise on earth.
[harimau..
hasbe maa`mool, your slip of ignorance is showing..jaldi se chupa do ussko, ek dum futafut!]
I am posing my questions to Mullah321 and Hobbyty from the safety of India. I realize if I step into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, I will get condemned to death for blasphemy but then I have no plans to visit that paradise on earth.
#267 Posted by harimau on July 26, 2002 2:02:52 pm
Ref brain-dead mo-fo #: 269
[{{That is why, after one of my posts, most of you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.}}
HAHA!! Dont flatter yourself, mofo...we need some time to throw up after reading your posts....& you think its because we agree with you.!!...WHAT A BUTTHEAD!!]
Did I SAY you agreed with me?
All I said was, after I shove a red-hot poker up ypur butt, you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.
Let us see if you understand it at least this time.
[{{That is why, after one of my posts, most of you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.}}
HAHA!! Dont flatter yourself, mofo...we need some time to throw up after reading your posts....& you think its because we agree with you.!!...WHAT A BUTTHEAD!!]
Did I SAY you agreed with me?
All I said was, after I shove a red-hot poker up ypur butt, you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.
Let us see if you understand it at least this time.
#266 Posted by ana on July 25, 2002 4:57:50 pm
harimau..
hasbe maa`mool, your slip of ignorance is showing..jaldi se chupa do ussko, ek dum futafut!
hasbe maa`mool, your slip of ignorance is showing..jaldi se chupa do ussko, ek dum futafut!
#265 Posted by harimau on July 25, 2002 2:38:26 pm
Ref headshrinker #: 267
[{{Did you like me calling you a gigolo?}}
I LOVED it! Esp that it gave me a chance to call your mind sick & perverted...! ]
Everyone on the board notices how you are unable to back up your statement that I spout hindutva propaganda from RSS.
What a loser!
[{{Did you like me calling you a gigolo?}}
I LOVED it! Esp that it gave me a chance to call your mind sick & perverted...! ]
Everyone on the board notices how you are unable to back up your statement that I spout hindutva propaganda from RSS.
What a loser!
#264 Posted by shankar on July 25, 2002 2:38:26 pm
harimou,
{{That is why, after one of my posts, most of you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.}}
HAHA!! Dont flatter yourself, mofo...we need some time to throw up after reading your posts....& you think its because we agree with you.!!...WHAT A BUTTHEAD!!
{{That is why, after one of my posts, most of you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.}}
HAHA!! Dont flatter yourself, mofo...we need some time to throw up after reading your posts....& you think its because we agree with you.!!...WHAT A BUTTHEAD!!
#263 Posted by hobbyty on July 25, 2002 2:38:26 pm
Harimanu
You say to me ``How about some questions that YOU can choose to answer?``
My answer to YOU: ``I choose not to answer, but good questions``
happy? No? try to live up to your promise to wait for answers - they will come, but you gotta wait.
You say to me ``How about some questions that YOU can choose to answer?``
My answer to YOU: ``I choose not to answer, but good questions``
happy? No? try to live up to your promise to wait for answers - they will come, but you gotta wait.
#262 Posted by shankar on July 25, 2002 1:54:57 am
harimou,
{{Did you like me calling you a gigolo?}}
I LOVED it! Esp that it gave me a chance to call your mind sick & perverted...!
{{Did you like me calling you a gigolo?}}
I LOVED it! Esp that it gave me a chance to call your mind sick & perverted...!
#261 Posted by harimau on July 24, 2002 11:18:12 am
Ref hobbyty #: 262
Another question for you.
Is APJ Abdul Kalam, newly elected President of India, a True Muslim? He doesn`t speak Arabic or Urdu, doesn`t wear a salwar-kameez or a djellaba, and helped develop missiles specifically to target the ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan (according to you all). Can Abdul Kalam be a True Muslim, particularly when his friend from his home towm brought him prasad from the local Hindu temple?
Or, should I pose the question to fatwa-online.com?
Another question for you.
Is APJ Abdul Kalam, newly elected President of India, a True Muslim? He doesn`t speak Arabic or Urdu, doesn`t wear a salwar-kameez or a djellaba, and helped develop missiles specifically to target the ISLAMIC Republic of Pakistan (according to you all). Can Abdul Kalam be a True Muslim, particularly when his friend from his home towm brought him prasad from the local Hindu temple?
Or, should I pose the question to fatwa-online.com?
#260 Posted by harimau on July 24, 2002 11:18:12 am
Ref Mullah321 #: 248
[harimau #234 I dont discuss things with a hindutva rat. I am content to call him a rat, and he can call me swine in return. No problem.]
However, I notice that you get into major discussions with Mr. Sattar on Qadiani beliefs.
What ARE you doing in your spare time... assemblimg a mob to stone to death any passing Qadiani?
[harimau #234 I dont discuss things with a hindutva rat. I am content to call him a rat, and he can call me swine in return. No problem.]
However, I notice that you get into major discussions with Mr. Sattar on Qadiani beliefs.
What ARE you doing in your spare time... assemblimg a mob to stone to death any passing Qadiani?
#259 Posted by harimau on July 24, 2002 11:18:12 am
Ref hobbyty #: 262
[It is too soon for me to conclude that you cannot wait till hell freezes over for an answer, and are therefore not a man of your word. All are deserving of redemption, and with this realization, it is only fair to give every opportunity to fulfill your promise to wait.]
How about some questions that YOU can choose to answer?
Were Prophet Muhammad`s parents Muslims?
Was Prophet Muhammad circumcised?
At what age did Prophet Muhammad become a Muslim?
[It is too soon for me to conclude that you cannot wait till hell freezes over for an answer, and are therefore not a man of your word. All are deserving of redemption, and with this realization, it is only fair to give every opportunity to fulfill your promise to wait.]
How about some questions that YOU can choose to answer?
Were Prophet Muhammad`s parents Muslims?
Was Prophet Muhammad circumcised?
At what age did Prophet Muhammad become a Muslim?
#258 Posted by harimau on July 24, 2002 11:18:12 am
Ref janitor #: 256
[its not GOOD knowlege...its selective propaganda of hate & mistrust that RSS types like him highlight, as if `Islam` or `muslims` was the main cause for the downfall of hindus & the hindu civilisation...He`s true blue blooded RSS--make no mistakes about it...even if he pretends he`s not or he`s fair & balanced (hah)...]
Did I quote even ONCE from VHP/RSS/BJP/Bajrang Dal propaganda sheets? Have I not given references to books (including page numbers) by Western authors when I quote something? Why don`t YOU refute my factual statements instead of just calling them propaganda?
9its the ``hindus are victims`` mentality that shoves a hot poker up his butt all the time...the worst part is that he feels he`s JUSTIFIED to have that poker up his butt!!:) ]
I actually CARRY a red-hot poker in my hand and shove it up the butt of people like YLH, Sudalaikkannu, Mullah321, yourself, Urstruly, and 12-head. That is why, after one of my posts, most of you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.
[Truth be told, the hindu civilisation (like every civilisation that is on the downswing) was beset by very shameful social problems..:unequality, caste system etc etc & terrible social practices that turned a lot of people off from that religion.]
Good. How about going up to Detroit, meeting with Urstruly, going to the Detroit Mosque and getting your dick cut off? While there, you might want to know the mullah`s position on hairy vs. shaved pits.
[Even if ``forced`` conversions take place...please give some credit to the person who is ``converted`` by the point of a sword...its like forcing Communism on someone..it wont take hold if that person hates Communism..
Evidently, right, wrong or indifferent (depending upon the person`s point of view).. Islam took FIRM hold in India..it WOULD``NT have..if it didnt appeal to the ``forced convertees``!]
Be a voluntary convert. We need to get rid of trash like you.
[so hairmou,
ordinarily you are such an obnoxious, disagreeable a$$hole, that i dont even waste my breath on a creature like you, anymore...but since i`m, right now, in a mood to waste my breath on you...let me RESPECTFULLY remind you what i`ve said to you again & again, in the past...but somehow that message doesnt seem to penetrate through your oily skull...]
So, what was this post, if not a waste of your time?
[So...thankyou & keep up the good work...either do me a HUGE favor & scram from Chowk....or..if you choose to stay (which, ofcourse, is your perogative); please do continue with your insults ESP to me!......I assure you, it MAKES my day...the sun shines brighter & the birds sing more sweetly when you do!...]
Did you like me calling you a gigolo?
[its not GOOD knowlege...its selective propaganda of hate & mistrust that RSS types like him highlight, as if `Islam` or `muslims` was the main cause for the downfall of hindus & the hindu civilisation...He`s true blue blooded RSS--make no mistakes about it...even if he pretends he`s not or he`s fair & balanced (hah)...]
Did I quote even ONCE from VHP/RSS/BJP/Bajrang Dal propaganda sheets? Have I not given references to books (including page numbers) by Western authors when I quote something? Why don`t YOU refute my factual statements instead of just calling them propaganda?
9its the ``hindus are victims`` mentality that shoves a hot poker up his butt all the time...the worst part is that he feels he`s JUSTIFIED to have that poker up his butt!!:) ]
I actually CARRY a red-hot poker in my hand and shove it up the butt of people like YLH, Sudalaikkannu, Mullah321, yourself, Urstruly, and 12-head. That is why, after one of my posts, most of you shut up for a while, trying to get to a stage where you can sit in front of a computer to type a response.
[Truth be told, the hindu civilisation (like every civilisation that is on the downswing) was beset by very shameful social problems..:unequality, caste system etc etc & terrible social practices that turned a lot of people off from that religion.]
Good. How about going up to Detroit, meeting with Urstruly, going to the Detroit Mosque and getting your dick cut off? While there, you might want to know the mullah`s position on hairy vs. shaved pits.
[Even if ``forced`` conversions take place...please give some credit to the person who is ``converted`` by the point of a sword...its like forcing Communism on someone..it wont take hold if that person hates Communism..
Evidently, right, wrong or indifferent (depending upon the person`s point of view).. Islam took FIRM hold in India..it WOULD``NT have..if it didnt appeal to the ``forced convertees``!]
Be a voluntary convert. We need to get rid of trash like you.
[so hairmou,
ordinarily you are such an obnoxious, disagreeable a$$hole, that i dont even waste my breath on a creature like you, anymore...but since i`m, right now, in a mood to waste my breath on you...let me RESPECTFULLY remind you what i`ve said to you again & again, in the past...but somehow that message doesnt seem to penetrate through your oily skull...]
So, what was this post, if not a waste of your time?
[So...thankyou & keep up the good work...either do me a HUGE favor & scram from Chowk....or..if you choose to stay (which, ofcourse, is your perogative); please do continue with your insults ESP to me!......I assure you, it MAKES my day...the sun shines brighter & the birds sing more sweetly when you do!...]
Did you like me calling you a gigolo?
#257 Posted by hobbyty on July 24, 2002 5:17:52 am
harimanu
It is too soon for me to conclude that you cannot wait till hell freezes over for an answer, and are therefore not a man of your word. All are deserving of redemption, and with this realization, it is only fair to give every opportunity to fulfill your promise to wait.
Is Hell really cold?
It is too soon for me to conclude that you cannot wait till hell freezes over for an answer, and are therefore not a man of your word. All are deserving of redemption, and with this realization, it is only fair to give every opportunity to fulfill your promise to wait.
Is Hell really cold?
#256 Posted by harimau on July 23, 2002 2:53:04 pm
Ref Prof. Hobbs #: 236
[harimanu claims he is prepared to wait till hell freezes over for your answers - Could I impose on you to allow the testing of harimanu claims of being able to wait - now, if only he could wait in silence.]
Nope, I won`t wait in silence.
So, tell me, did the Prophet shave his armpits or not? This seems to be a life-and-death question in Pakistan. Millions of Pakistanis could benefit from your answer and may not be prepared to wait till Hell freezes over.
[harimanu claims he is prepared to wait till hell freezes over for your answers - Could I impose on you to allow the testing of harimanu claims of being able to wait - now, if only he could wait in silence.]
Nope, I won`t wait in silence.
So, tell me, did the Prophet shave his armpits or not? This seems to be a life-and-death question in Pakistan. Millions of Pakistanis could benefit from your answer and may not be prepared to wait till Hell freezes over.
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