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Feroz K# 228

Is your full name Feroz Hasan Khan.

Just curious. I saw this name in newspaper.

Romair,

{{I just have to keep him honest, every now and then, to make sure he doesn`t start getting too big for his britches..... :)}}

Having fun at my expense while I have been out of town for the past few days, I see?

No worries; small consolation for all the countless arguments you`ve lost...

But I got your point...in order to argue politics in S.Asia, one has to be very familiar with Bollywood...heheh...

.btw, suggest a good movie that stars this Madhuri gal..lemme check out what all this fuss is about...this is my 21st yr in the US & the one thing I HAVENT missed about my beloved Bombay is Bollywood...so you better suggest a good movie..if such do exist in Bollywood..

suxena #222, ``...was i talking to you?...NO...buzz off like a nice makkhhi...``

next time, when u`re not talking to me, please refrain from talking about me..i know you`re a bit obsessed but keep ur comments to urself....thanks

Tahmed

harimanu claims he is prepared to wait till hell freezes over for your answers - Could I impose on you to allow the testing of harimanu claims of being able to wait - now, if only he could wait in silence. And as mercy to those suffering in hell, he may relent and bathe or brush his teeth.

Umer Murtaza #233
Just a question. What does the rejection of Hinduism by your forbearers have to do with the question of when the universities of Nalanda and Taxila were founded and how they were destroyed?

Ref Mullah321 #: 225

[harimau #209 You are welcome to call me whatever names you wish to demonstrate your wit and charm.]

Demonstrating my wit and charm to you? That would be like casting pearls before swine.

However, I would like straightforward answers to a few questions from you.

Are Qadianis Muslims? How about Ismailis, particularly if the Aga Khan does not fund any more hospitals or schools in your neighborhood in Pakistan? How about Shias?

Can there be prophets after Prophet Muhammad? Even those who don`t bring down tablets with a dozen or so commandments on them or take dictation from the angel Gabriel?

Were Prophet Muhammad`s parents Muslims?

Did Prophet Muhammad shave his armpits?

I am actually prepared to wait till Hell freezes over for answers to these questions.

[You however dont need any names to describe you.

Your posts are enough to demonstrate that you are a hindutva rat.]

Ask me if I care whether Adi Shankara or Ramanujacharya shaved their armpits. Or Buddha or Moses or Jesus. Or even Prophet Muhammad.

various replies

Well Harimau, I`m genuinely interested and will read up more but your basic premise of Islam being responsible for the loot and plunder of the institution is wrong. I don`t know, you tell me: is Hinduism filthy because the Hinduvta goons asked Ashwariya Rai to apply cream on her face that had cow urine as one of its ingredients? But then, it`s all relative anyway. Right? I honestly wouldn`t know because I haven`t read any of the Gitas yet.

Doesn`t matter where you get the articles from, even if they are from the evil Muslims. You are wrong. Full stop. I won`t cut and paste or anything else for that matter. Granted, your ability to cut and paste is superior to mine but you are still wrong. Feel free to correct me but your holy book mentions God as being one and having no form. It doesn`t stop you from worshipping 330 million forms, does it? Hell, the latest female one is out of Bollywood, is she not, and women use her as means of gaining success. So yeah, Islam is peace loving. And no, the Taliban did indeed shoot the Bamiyan Buddhas.

MT, my ancestors were of Indian decent that saw through the philosophical hocus pocus. You see, they couldn`t give a flying fuKK about the wonderful imagery that you may conjure up because when they woke up, some higher caste idiot would slap him in place and ask him to handle his shoes. They were fed up of being born into, treated like and handling $hit because my great great great grandfather had apparently committed great sins in a supposed life he had no recollection of. Can you believe that? He was the scum of the earth and it was all his fault because he had done bad things in the past life. Imagine his frustration when he couldn`t recollect them. As for my great great great grandmother, she must have committed some heinous crime too, like not marrying the dewar to keep the money in the family.

So I`m personally indebted to the Arab and Persian plunderers because despite some of the nationalistic rubbish that they tried to inject, at least I`m enjoying a better life because of them. You`re just pi$$ed off `cos no one`s there to handle your diapers. What`s the MT for anyway? Is that like `empty`, as in the condition of your skull?

Sridar Ji, as with Harimau, I may not say it but I accepted a long time ago that I know nothing (I`m using the right word here) and no matter how much I try to learn, I will never fully know everything. But it`s better to say what you know than to try to communicate what you don`t. It just saves on time. What gets up my goat is when people make huge accusations when they damn well know that they`re talking crap. I`m genuinely interested in nalanda etc and will read up on it though I hope you understand that simply by reading an article on such and such topics (especially one on the Internet) will not verify your claims. I used the link but got `the page cannot be found` sign. Nevertheless, I`ll do a search on it.

I would also like to apologise to all the Hindus on the forum if I`ve offended you. It`s nothing personal but sometimes laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahin maante. I have no feelings for Hinduism - the actual religion - because I honestly haven`t studied it in detail. I neither dislike it and neither do I like it. I hope this makes my position clear.

And I don`t want to start my stay in Chowk with all that Hindu-Muslim-Indo-Pak crap either.

Thank you all.

Umer M.

Pakistan has rejected the Saudi and Taliban social and political models (there was never really any chance of Pakistan being Talibanized). Now Pakistan should be careful and not attempt to follow the Turkish model either.

Turkey, is an extremist society (or at least, an extremist political system), at the opposite end of the current Muslim extremist syndrome. As an example, while women are forced wear scarfs etc. in some Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and the Taliban Afghanistan, in Turkey, they are kicked out of Universities, jobs, Parliaments, etc. if they do so.

Now Turkey is faced with a dilemma, which is a natural occurence, if one keeps banning secular or religious forces in a country. The maulvis are about to take over, as are the pro-Kurd parties. For those who don`t know, Turkey`s handling of Kurds, currently gives Turkey one of the worst human rights records in the world.

``The pro-Islamic party, Justice and Development, would come out No. 1 in an election, according to polls. The party is led by Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a charismatic former mayor of Istanbul who draws support from those worst affected by the economic crisis.

The pro-Kurdish People`s Democracy Party, or HADEP, has also been steadily increasing its votes.

``There is speculation that Justice and Development will end up the first party ... and that HADEP will pass the threshold,`` Ecevit said.

``If that comes true ... Turkey will be faced with questions over its regime,`` he said, referring to the powerful and staunchly pro-secular military who could well block a pro-Islamic government from wielding power.

In 1997, the military pressured another Islamic-led government out of power.(http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39422-2002Jul21.html)

Interestingly in 1997, the Islamic Rafah party gained the highest number of seats, and was banned (that is what happens to religious parties in Turkey, if they win seats). And these parties, aren`t even lead by bearded maulvis, they are lead by suit-wearing maulvis, who write their names in Latin alphabets. Yet they are still banned.

Also, interestingly, in Pakistan, a country which doesn`t try to wear its secular or relgious identity, on its sleeves, religious parties only win 0 - 3% of the seats. And openly secular parties (if there are any) only win about the same amount. And separatist parties don`t win any seats, since there are no separatist movements going on.

Before Pakistanis try to start following the Turkish model, they should see what kind of a political mess Turkey itself is in. I have a feeling the two parties in Turkey, which are to win the largest votes (religious and pro-Kurdish) will be banned (again). The next time, they will come in even stronger, and sooner or later, Turkey, like the old Iran, will be bifurcated into two powerful groups (the maulvis and the secularatics).

Pakistan needs to be careful, and not try to implement the religiously fanatic political system of Saudi Arabia, nor the secularly fanatic system of Turkey. Since, at a political level, these socities themselves, are in a mess.

P.S. It is going to be interesting to see Turkish population`s reaction, if the US asks them permission to use their bases to bomb Iraq; specially now, when the religious party(ies) are the most popular. Saudi Arabia and Syria isn`t giving permission. And Kuwait may not either. So the two logical choices from the East and North are Jordan and Turkey. Both countries, with a pro-US, secularly oriented govt., but anti-US (in Turkey a little over 50%, in Jordan far more) populations, are moving in the religious direction in their political views.

Iraq could split up into three countries, as a result of US shenanigans. A Kurdish northern state, causing furthur problems for Turkey, with its own Kurds. A Shia southern state, which could join Iran, And a middle Sunni state, which could go anywhere.

It will a lot different than the US asking Pakistan to use its bases, for logistic needs, to attack a Taliban dominated Afghanistan, that was protecting Osama. Iraq, to the best of my knowledge, hasn`t done anything to the US. Other than trying to manufacture nukes. But then, aren`t we all trying to manufacture nukes.

harimau #209 You are welcome to call me whatever names you wish to demonstrate your wit and charm. You however dont need any names to describe you. Your posts are enough to demonstrate that you are a hindutva rat.

As for whether your thinking my advice was good - I couldnt care less for your opinions.

re: spout

{excuse me jerk, did i give you permission to write my name?}

...was i talking to you?...NO...buzz off like a nice makkhhi...

re: fawad

{so rsax are you up for some bar hopping or what the offer still stands and for you too askah ?}

...sure...i`m caught up with some work stuff right now, but let`s shoot for next month...

{where do u know about sandanavian chicks?}

...umm, i travel to europe now and then...

{i have a story.......i was on the train studying for a medicinal chemistry exam i had a while ago. I was goin through my drug cards and this spanish chick plopped next to me and asked me which train it was that was going to nb i told her. Next she goes what are you studying blah blah and then finnally goes , so ur columbian right ...im like no.....puerto rican ......no..... dominican......no finally what r u ????/ im pakistani......}

...hmmm...too bad...learn some spanish and play along next time...it worked for me in spain last summer, until it came time to construct complex sentences in spanish...hahaah...

Dear Mr Zaidi

ALthough I agree with the general thesis that muslims must improve their lot through their own efforts, I would like to point out two errors (errors ofcourse in my view) in your article

1. ``...Our fictitious (though much ballyhooed) pan-Islamic Muslim unity is another popular placebo..``

You call Pan Islamism fictitious and you go on to write, ``we``, ``muslims``!!

Despotic unrepresentative regimes in the Islamic world do not represnt the people and it is these regimes that are involved in bickering amonst themselves.

As far as the people are concerned all muslims around the world feel the suffering of the Palestinians, Chechens, Bosnians, Algerians, this is an excellent proof of Pan Islamic sentiments

2. Why do the muslims distrust the west??

well it is not just that the muslims are blaming the west for their miserable condition, the west has constantly proped up, supported by all means the despotic regimes in the islamic world (by the west i mean the western establishment, the peoples of the western countries are kept ignorant by means of an effective media)

May I simply cite the overthrow of Mussadiq`s govt. which acted as a catalyst for the inqilaab.

The situation in Algeria, etc etc

THese regimes are SUPPORTED not just tolerated by the western establishments.

That is the cause of muslim anger.

Adnan