What it means to be me in Corporate America?

krashid: I would never call someone a nonmuslim based on a different interpretation of something in the Quran, as long as it is not clearly an attempt at replacing the very spirit of the Quran. As such, while I disagree with sattar2 on the question of the finality of the prophethood, I have never called him a nonmuslim. (I do consider those who are clearly suppressing the Quranic message and replacing it with something that violates the fundamental spirit of the Quran to be nonmuslims, and as such logic would indicate that religious extremists and members of religious parties do not respect the message of teh Quran, and as such are nonmuslims by definition and as a result of their own actions). But Ahmedis, by their behavior, follow the same peaceful spirit of Islam as most ordinary sunni muslims do, and as such I do not consider sattar2, or Ahmedis in general, to be nonmuslim).

This lie about my calling sattar2 a nonmuslim was put forward by Harimau. In my post #162 I have challenged him to cut and paste anything from the hundreds of posts I have written to back his claim, and he has not been able to come up with anything yet. Several days later, I am still waiting for him to respond either with the cut and paste to back his claim, or with an apology. I dont expect him to apologize though, since that requires a certain level of class.

yasser

dont hate u luv! lets just say we have differences over method :) what plans for the 14th?

harimau

merae bhai, anytime you are in my sheher, i will be honoured to bake you a truck load of the chewiest gooyiest sweetest brownies ever..really :)

YLH,

can you point me to the original NPR interview in which Ganguly made these remarks? (I ask because you say that the version you wrote in your many posts is as ``recollected from memory``.)

If you cannot be specific, an approximate date (month/year or event) would be helpful.

YLH

I am glad that the poor , indigent people of India are leaving for the heaven on earth that Pakistan is.

Soon we will be rid of our poor not to mention troublemakers.

The raison d`etre for zarzamin was that it was to welcome Muslims of the subcontinent - now will you please also take in Nasim Khan and his ``biharis - urf Pakistanis`` from Bangladesh.

I beleive with the every anti-Muslim riot in India people have moved to the serene safety of Pakistan.

The last time I checked Muslims from UP,Bihar were still migrating to Bombay and Dehli.

A grenade does not explode just by taking out the pin. The liver, which is held in the place by the pin, has to be removed. So if you still keep the liver in place and take out the pin, grenade does not go BANG. Did you also consider Ganguly may have been attempting to be funny?

Can anyone please tell me how the following quote suggests that Emma Duncan said it?

``but I have seen the constant flow of illegal immigrant scum from our neighboring countries, including India for the sake of employment``

Why are Indians like Sadna constantly trying to lie and misquote me? What is this twisted and unsavory mentality?

PUTTING A STRAWMAN FALLACY TO REST:

Before I log off... I must set to rest the new strawman fallacy that Ms.Sadna, in classic P-Mishra style, is inventing... I haven`t said that Emma Duncan said that there were illegal immigrants from India in particular... but that there were illegal immigrants in Pakistan from countries of the region...

Had Emma Duncan said that... Don`t you think I would have quoted it? So what kind of nonsense are you trying to pull... this is a lot like your buddy (and I suspect your other alias) P-mishra 2... and his nonsense about my claims about Bipan Chandra ...

-YLH

PS to Roohi,

While we are on the topic of balance, why hasn`t your `advice` about the `youth` never been extended to your own countrymen who more than anything I or Aisha can say are busy spreading hate all over these boards?

Or is there no balance when it comes to your own?

Like I said charity starts at home.. if you think Aisha is feeding hate... I don`t think Rsaxena, Harimau, Arjunm, the countless authors of hateful garbage against Pakistan etc are spreading any motis of love... So heed my advice... leave us ... pipe dream idealism can`t be imposed through fascistic means...

Or are you going to start denying our fundamental human rights as guaranteed by the UN Charter... like say the right to association? or opinion? or thought?

Krashid

Thankyou for wishes :)

Glad to see you back as well...

-YLH

PS: I just want to say.. no need giving my example to Divine Comedy... Divine Comedy is my other nick... I am bored of using just one nick...

I have given the page...

``Are you aware she wrote the book 12-13 years ago in 1988/89``

Trying to be over clever eh???

I wrote:

``Anyway granted that this book was written more than a decade ago, but I have seen the constant flow of illegal immigrant scum from our neighboring countries, including India for the sake of employment … Then Please explain why do some of you attack Pakistan so violently, when your own poor and underprivileged run to it for prosperity?``

Can`t more than decade be 12 or 13 years ago?? Didn`t I say `more than decade ago`? So why the hell are you trying to be so over clever as to suggest that I didn`t know it was written in 1988?

And I wonder how the growth rate of near 7 in the 1950s and 1960s was related to the Afghanistan war? It is amazing that a few Billion dollars of Aid over 7 years made Pakistan a `local america`.. How blind can Indians be? Let me make it clear... yes we got aid for destabilizing our own country... but it was never enough to sustain the whole country... only layman with little or no knowledge of Economics would speak with such utter jahalat...

Regardless of the evidence that Emma Duncan gives... I tell you that Karachi is bustling with illegal Indians of all religions living in shantitowns... who have arrived over the last 10 years to Pakistan for a better life...Time to face the facts.. Don`t bite the hand that feeds you... or stop the scum from crossing the border..

-YLH

Roohi,

You are right... I can`t be accused of all the idealistic garbage that the youth you so admire... after all the results of that youth are infront of us aren`t they... (Wow we live in a world free of hunger war etc... I am sorry I kinda missed that transpiring) My concerns are more selfish... like doing something for the people of Pakistan... helping those who are below the poverty line... helping the Non-Muslim Minorities stand up on their feet... unleashing a just and egalitarian system in Pakistan... performing my civic responsibility as a conscientous citizen of Pakistan... working with Human Rights group to improve the Human Rights situation.. like creating a school and hospital for the people of my village ... these are my concerns... charity begins at home.. and I have a feeling if everyone in the world was a bit selfish like I am.. World wouldn`t be such a bad place... it was this `selfishness` which brought me back to Pakistan (Unlike arjunm would like to believe, I have one 5 year Student visa for the US valid thru 2003 and 1 5 year multiple visit visa for the United states valid way into 2007, and I can go there any time I want.. Unlike millions of your countrymen and mine, I didn`t indulge in illegal activities, unauthorized employment, drug smuggling or pumping gas at local gas station in New Jersey..)... So you decide is my `selfish` and `non-idealistic` realism more result oriented than the pipe dreams of the idealists that you want????

(I don`t want to speak for Aisha... but she too has worked extensively for the proliferation of IT in Pakistan... perhaps not so idealistic, but that creates jobs... Hang us thankyou very much)

When exactly did you join Chowk? Because there was a time I posted hundreds of posts with references to Amnesty International etc... Let me make it clear one more time.. None of References can be challenged... I was extremely honest in posting them... Many of your own countrymen will bear witness to the fact that I have always quoted sources... If you didn`t read them then, then that is your fault.. If you live in the US, it is very EASY for you to find out for yourself.. I am not your servant, nor is my quoting of Amnesty International going to solve anything for the Kashmiri people.. pathetic that you would ask me for the Amnesty International reports now that I am in Lahore and don`t have the same resources... If you think, I am a liar... prove it... go find the evidence to the contrary... but you won`t because what I have claimed is always based on a valid source. And seriously... you can`t change the truth by cornering someone...



Humsab...

Everyone has a view of Jinnah`s position as Governor General.. I don`t think the author is speaking of democracy as much as he is suggesting that Jinnah would have preferred a Presidential system if you see the gist of it... besides noone is saying he was perfect but like the author of the article you quoted says:

``Here is a man whose very name has become eponymous for integrity, honesty, dedication and straight talk; even his worst enemies would not deny him these qualities. As we read his speeches more than half a century later particularly his inaugural of 11 August 1947, one has a better measure of his wisdom. He was a reticent man; his words were spare and they will echo for ever in the corridor of our history.``

Yet people like you are unwilling to concede this... By the way... May I know why you chose to honor Jinnah this way?

``Of course I dont expect you to understand this, given that your country won its freedom through Jinnah`s type-writer.``

Well like you said... Jinnah was not perfect... yes he was the guiding light ... but he was wrong if he said that his type writer won us the freedom... My mother`s great grandfather was deprived of his lands in 1940 after he switched to the League from the Unionist Party... In 1946`s Muslim league`s Civil Disobedience campaign jails were filled with women and men of the League... there are factual accounts of all of this... you are welcome to read them...

I asked a simple question with no real malice... but instead I got stupid and idiotic sneers? Is this the Indian way?

ylh #181
Oh I missed this one. Sorry that my reply on Krishan Kant was complicated beyond your comprehension.

Which statue of Gandhi did the British build in the 30s and 40s when Gandhi was in jail? First I am hearing of it.

Re being a nuclear weapons proponent and Gandhi follower, you suffer from the same paralysis of understanding which Pakistani strategic planners are cursed with ie., that the nonviolence of Gandhi is nothing but an open invitation for Pakistan to attack India as and when it chooses.

`` In any event, why will you actually write more about Gujurat, then obsessing about Pakistan?``

I do write on Gujarat on chowk and elsewhere. I will stop writing on chowk and about Pakistan when Pakistanis stop sending their compatriots to kill Indians in Kashmir and the rest of India and start thinking about the problems in their own country first. Your choice!

ylh #193
``but I have seen the constant flow of illegal immigrant scum from our neighboring countries, including India for the sake of employment``

ylh, exactly which page does Emma Duncan say there are illegal immigrants from India in Pakistan?

Are you aware she wrote the book 12-13 years ago in 1988/89 after a whole decade of Western aid had poured into Pakistan post-Soviet invasion of Afghanistan ?

PS:

``(didn`t this guy mostly do horrow movies)``

Just because the r is often not pronounced, doesn`t mean the word is `Horrow`... it is a Horror... So that is the crux of your argument against Jinnah isn`t it? Sir Lee, the actor with highest number of screen appearances, also played Sherlock Holmes by the way.

Wonderful...

I am sure just because Sir Ben Kingsley plays an evil overlord of an all male alien planet in a movie won`t discredit his performance as Gandhi. Or for that matter, a double crossing collaborator and informant in Piscali`s Island ... that too will not be considered as some what of a shadow on Gandhi`s own character. Nor will Ben Kingsley`s performance as a power hungry and deceiving American Ambassador in `Rules of Engagement` have any effect.. because we are reasonable people...

What next? Discredit all of Sir Anthony Hopkins` historical roles for he plays the evil Dr.Hannibal Lector?

I admire your logic!!!

-YLH

Dear aNny

``Secondly meri pyaari behen, Pakistan is a living breathing country where people sleep, eat, bake brownies, plant flowers, fall in love, have cute babies with curly hair, give exams, dance, scream at the babies, grow and cook bhindi, cry, read books and sometimes burn those brownies- nobody can change that. It`s not some kohkaafesque, rusting, afghanistan like place no matter how hard anyone may try to make it appear so- we are a running, functioning, very throbbing country. I feel silly saying this but frankly my dear, being away, you sound in very bad need of reassurances. Pakistan was made and weather anybody likes it or not, it is here to stay.``

I know you probably don`t want to hear this from me of all people since you hate me and all... but I just wanted to thankyou for writing this paragraph... Pakistan is a dynamic country which needs no rescuing... those who think it is a failed state should keep living in their fool`s paradise...

Anyway .. Thankyou so much

-A Pakistani

Isn’t amazing that some of the self proclaimed know alls, and brightest minds like Mr.Mishra are unable to grasp the simple mistake, that consummate liar Ganguly made? If he actually took the pin out of the grenade why is he still alive???? How bone headed can one be to not get something so simple?

Anyway moving on …

In her book ‘Breaking the Curfew’, Emma Duncan is critical of everything about Pakistan (except perhaps Jinnah whom she holds in great esteem), yet she writes :

‘Because Pakistan’s relative prosperity has made it the local America, Karachi is stiff with illegal immigrants’. (Page 168 Breaking the Curfew Arrow Books)

Perhaps now Saxena will inform us of how Emma Duncan like countless authors in the west is on Pakistan’s payroll…

Anyway granted that this book was written more than a decade ago, but I have seen the constant flow of illegal immigrant scum from our neighboring countries, including India for the sake of employment … Then Please explain why do some of you attack Pakistan so violently, when your own poor and underprivileged run to it for prosperity?

You know… we are ready to accept immigrants from Bangladesh… they are our brothers and a friendly country… we are even ready to accept immigrants from Iran… I have my reservations about Afghanistan… but why are the illegal immigrants from India flowing in, when they hate us so much as to lie about us constantly… Perhaps next time before they call us the ‘thuggish republic’, people like P-Mishra should go to India and stop the hordes and hordes of scum from their country from crossing over into Pakistan and live off of our money. Thanks to the utter nonsense spouted by this brainless bugger on this board, I am sure all of you can assume what I will do if I happen to find an illegal Indian immigrant in Pakistan.

Yours sincerely

Yasser Hamdani