What it means to be me in Corporate America?

Samina

I apologize...

I seem to have been quick to attack you in my last post... I just didn`t read your post carefuly...

I profousely apologize...

Sincerely

Yasser

Saminashah #1

`Pakistani Muslims`

Has it occured to you that perhaps there are a few Pakistanis out there who might feel lonely as as `Pakistanis` and not as `Pakistani Muslims`?? Pakistanis who don`t wish to join up with their Arabs or Indians in some kind of collective identity and simply be known as Pakistanis? Do we not have the right to be Humans and Pakistanis if we so choose? Is it not a fundamental right guaranteed to us by the UN`s Human Rights Charter?

It is amazing how to discredit a valid point people like you choose to add the term `Muslim` at the end? Not that I am ashamed of being a Muslim, I am proud of my faith... as everyone should be proud of their faith,... but See I am now beginning to understand fully your strategy... but I have faced you before... despite knowing that I have only spoken of a simple Pakistani identity, you declared rather shamelessly that I want to adopt an An Arab Muslim identity....

I am not forcing my `Belligerant Nationalism` on you... but have the decency to accept my right and that of Ms. Sarwari to be a Pakistani and Pakistani alone... with my American education, my fondness for Guitar instead of Sitar, and my utter an absolute dislike for any traditional `South Asian Music`, ... I really don`t believe that other than my race I have anything in common with `South Asia`... And I don`t particularly believe in racial bonds (I am a Pakistani because I was born as a Pakistani and I hold a green passport issued by the blessing of the President of Pakistan and I live in Lahore...) so will you deny me my human right to be whatever I want to be?

Sincerely

A Human Being and a Pakistani

Yasser Latif Hamdani

Saminashah #1

`Pakistani Muslims`

Has it occured to you that perhaps there are a few Pakistanis out there who might feel lonely as as `Pakistanis` and not as `Pakistani Muslims`?? Pakistanis who don`t wish to join up with their Arabs or Indians in some kind of collective identity and simply be known as Pakistanis? Do we not have the right to be Humans and Pakistanis if we so choose? Is it not a fundamental right guaranteed to us by the UN`s Human Rights Charter?

It is amazing how to discredit a valid point people like you choose to add the term `Muslim` at the end? Not that I am ashamed of being a Muslim, I am proud of my faith... as everyone should be proud of their faith,... but See I am now beginning to understand fully your strategy... but I have faced you before... despite knowing that I have only spoken of a simple Pakistani identity, you declared rather shamelessly that I want to adopt an An Arab Muslim identity....

I am not forcing my `Belligerant Nationalism` on you... but have the decency to accept my right and that of Ms. Sarwari to be a Pakistani and Pakistani alone... with my American education, my fondness for Guitar instead of Sitar, and my utter an absolute dislike for any traditional `South Asian Music`, ... I really don`t believe that other than my race I have anything in common with `South Asia`... and I am a Pakistani because I was born as a Pakistani and I hold a green passport issued by the blessing of

dost mittar #141 I agree that Enrongate demonstrates the ability of the US to identify its problems, and to then act to correct it. The black-white problem was similarly identified and corrected through a series of steps starting with the integration of the armed forces after WWII under Truman and ending with the Civil Rights Bill of 1964 (which, among other things, led to a the opening up of immigration to people from India and Pakistan). While frequently written off by its detractors (including the Englishman Kennedy who predicted the decline of the US in his book which was published just a few years before the fall of the communism) the US has managed to display the ability to identify its problems and correct them to a remarkable extent. While the correct balance between freedom of actions vs. controls over the private sector is an elusive one, I think we will gradually see the US moving ever closer to it in the years ahead. With the rest of the world following grudgingly behind, as they did throughout most of the 20th century.

re: drumz

{Chowk would be the baddest site if all the Indian and Paki posters collectively jumped off a cliff.}

...hmm...but that would include you...and me...actually ALL chowk posters since i doubt there are any goras amongst us....

Ref Mullah321 #: 117

[As before, I challenge you to find one - just one - of my hundreds of post on chowk to back your words. Indeed, I have on numerous occassions called for respect for all faiths.]

Oh, yeah? How about your debates with Mr. Sattar on Ahmadiyya beliefs?

Are Ahmadiyyas Muslims? Are thay to be treated as human beings?

Mr. Sattar would like to know.

Ref Umer Murtaza #: 128

[Dear Chowkies,

Regarding post 111, allow me to say that my reply to Harimau could have been so venomous. However, my faith instructs me to respect other peoples feelings and therefore I shall desist from making any comments so that you, the Hindu chowkies, will not be offended.

Thank you.

Umer M]

On another board (Great Satan), Umer Murtaza wrote:

Jul-20-02 18:50:44 EST Reply #: 214

Umer Murtaza

Universities and hospitals were concepts conceived and executed by the Muslims. As for the Buddhists, I`m reminded of the lie by a Christian friend of mine that the party of Omar burnt the libraries of Alexandria, whereas it was in fact the Christian Romans. Similarly, an individual, whom I had previously advised to drench his women`s saris to conserve the petrol, is now accusing my faith for something when his own was responsible for massacring and forcing the Buddhists into its fold.

Talk about the dravidian calling the kettle black.

Umer M]

Advising people to drench their women`s saris in petrol (as if bride-burning is not known in Pakistan), accusing the Hindus of massacring Buddhists when it is patently untrue, being racist in saying ``dravidian calling the kettle black``... these are the hallmarks of Umer Murtaza. Now he comes crying when I post an article on Barbie doll becoming a Muslima at the hands of a devout Muslim mother!

Get out of the kitchen if you can`t stand the heat.

SOME INTERESTING ARGUMENT PERTAINING TO KASHMIR

Tue, 23 Jul 2002, Saurabh_Jang wrote:

*The bottom-line for me as a Indian is the maintenance of the state of

Jammu & Kashmir in the Indian Union.

Which is the same argument used by Reginald Dyer to justify the massacre

at Jallianwalla Bagh, and carries exactly as much weight.



*It is just to bad that those Kashmiri leaders who had issues with New

Delhi chose to take up the way of the gun.

On the contrary, Kashmiri leaders chose the peaceful avenue to resolve

their disagreements with New Delhi for around four decades. As a result,

they spend decades in prison, never charged with crimes, nor even accused

of involvement in any kind of violence, let alone guns.

It is just too bad that the Indian government chose (and continues to

choose) to repress all its peaceful opponents in this way, leaving no

alternative for political expression other than the gun.

The recent re-arrest of Yasin Malik under the Public Safety Act, on no

grounds other than that he `has been preaching secessionism`, minutes

after his release on bail by a POTA court. The government continues to

lock up peaceful opponents, ensuring popular support for the alternatives.

- Rohan.

Re: Dost

``...If englightened people like you start defending the Indian democracy ...``

I was not `defending` Indian democracy in my original post on the subject (nevertheless that is how you interpreted it). I was simply asking if you would apply the exact same standard in judging India w/ the United States. Turns out, you were holding a lower standard for the US.

``...there is no flouting of the judiciary involved here...``

If you get into the details of the appointment system of judges, you will come to the inescapable conclusion that Indian judges are far more independent than American ones.

Re: Dost-Mittar

The last three paragraphs of this article (http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1915/19150250.htm) should give you some pause before announcing the failure of democracy. The last paragraph should be particularly heartwarming, because a new law is expected to be passed by the end of the monsoon session of Parliament.

Re: Dost

``...and feel comfortable about their country`s weaknesses. The U.S has at least moved fast ...``

I don`t feel comfortable (that is a stretch), but I do feel that you are prone to using hyperbole.

The US has moved fast enough? You mean after the market carnage has been done -- it has been 8 years since Levitt`s proposals, and the guys who opposed it most vigorously were Joe Lieberman and the other Senator (Dodd?) from Connecticut who has since refused TV interviews on the subject. Narasimha Rao also moved fast enough after India`s foreign exchange reserves were drained nearly dry in `91. Never mind the fact that they sat on the situation for nearly 40 years prior to that. Nothing concentrates the mind like a crisis. Trust me, the polls on the ECs proposals in India will be very high too, just like they have been for handgun control in the US.

``...India has scored the lowest in transparency ...``

Behind China? Egypt? Nigeria? Venezuela? Indonesia? Burma? Vietnam?

``...If englightened people like you start defending the Indian democracy ...``

Thanks for calling me enlightened -- AND I do feel that Indian democracy is worth defending, even though the scope for improvement sans hyperbole will always be there.

UMZ: Im not the expert by any stretch, but i know u got some chronic headz in the UK...

1. I have no idea (I use, not manufacture).

2. Not sure about the paper, but one way to triple the output is to hot box. This involves smoking a dime (10 grams) in a small enclosed space. A shower with hot water (steam) spraying is ideal. Once ur done, stay in the room for 15-20 mins and it should last u 5-6 hours.

3. I use zig zags. Dude i really dont smoke that much to be answering these Q`s. IM at 7-8 times a year so i dont research much on it.

Shalom!

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jul/27vp.htm

``Vice-President Krishan Kant passes away

Vice-President Krishan Kant died at 0845 this morning after suffering a massive heart attack. A three-day state mourning has been declared to mourn his death. ..``

``.. Last December he had a narrow escape during the attack on Parliament. He was about to leave Parliament House when the terrorists launched their assault. Bharatiya Janata Party spokesman V K Malhotra then said `one of the terrorists managed to fire at the door of the vice-president`s office before he was shot down.` Malhotra said Kant was saved by the intervention of a Rajya Sabha official who chased the terrorist but was himself shot dead. Several members of Kant`s bodyguard perished in the attack. ..``

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Ref shammi #: 138

[Re: Dost-Mittar

When the US Congress rejected in 1994 then Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Arthur C. Levitt`s proposals to give the SEC more teeth in investigating accounting fraud and defend shareholders` rights, because most of the politicians received campaign contributions from accounting firms, many of whose clients now stand indicted with criminal charges after the failure of Enron, Worldcom, and many others, would you go so far as to say that `to me this is a confirmation of the failure of the democracy in the United States?`]

When the ``three strikes`` law was passed in California a couple of years back allowing the jailing for life of criminals on their third conviction, the law was used to convict and sentence to life in jail someone who was barely 20 years old for stealing a slice of pizza in a LA beach. His previous convictions were for stealing a bike and something like shoplifting.

Does anyone think that Ken Lay of Enron will be charged with criminal theft for every instance of energy trading 2 years back when California`s energy prices quadrupled because of Enron`s shenanigans?

I don`t think so.

Dear Drumz,

Since you`re the resident expert on weed, let me ask you a few questions:

1) How many varieties are in use and what are their special properties?

2) How much do you know about the burn rate of marijuana? I know that you can get tobacco that burns slowly so you can light it up, take a puff, have a shower and come out to take a few more puffs.

3) Do you know how to make paper from natural resources around you? If so, what is your take on designer rizla paper that is dotted with marijuana leaves for extra décor and taste? Would the paper affect the burn rate (I think not but just asking) in any way?

4) You see, my man, not that I`m a smoker or a seller but I would love to know how to construct the ultimate 12-inch didgeridoo that looks good, tastes good and can burn all night long and if there aren`t any munchies for the craving, you can always chew on the rizla paper:)

Best wishes,

Umer M.