The Right To Bigotry

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re: ylh

...do you know what einstein said about gandhi?...check it out...

{Albert Einstein once told the president of Howard University that Gandhi was ``the greatest man of the 20th century.`` The president of Howard replied that a lot of people thought that title

belonged to Dr. Einstein.

```Oh, no,` Dr. Einstein said. `I know where I stand. I have been working on increasing mankind`s power. Gandhi has been working on increasing the ability of mankind to use that power more humanely.```}

hey yasser whats up man ?????????? how come you dont deign to respond to my emails yaar? nice to see you back on chowk drop me a line man?

so tell me is south asianism making its inroads in lahore is it is over here?

peace

you friend

fawad

Dear Sadna and Jay,

Given your obsession with Pakistan, and your willingness to take the official line, are you aware of the possibilities young and enterprising Hinduvtists like yourself in the US might have?

This only goes to show that the `evil` Pakistan`s enemies are also the enemies of true Indian secularism (if there is such a thing).

http://www.dawn.com/2002/08/06/letted.htm#2

Fund raising abroad for RSS

The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), the Bajrang Dal, and other Hindu extremist organizations, collectively known as the Sangh Parivar, are utilizing religion to foment communal violence towards organizing ultra right, non-secular and undemocratic nationalism in India.

Minorities in contemporary India are becoming the evil `other` that must be annihilated or assimilated. For those of us not explicitly under attack, it is time to examine our privilege and use it to empower the conscience of a democratic and secular India.

Hindu fundamentalism is well funded by Indians abroad. These organizations receive substantial contributions from Hindus in the United States and elsewhere. The Outlook magazine in its July 22 issue published an article by A.K. Sen, titled, Deflections to the right highlighting a component of the chain of funding that sustains Hindu extremism.

The article states that the India Development and Relief Fund (IDRF) is one of the more conspicuous charity organizations that raises funds in the United States to support RSS battalions in India. The IDRF lists Sewa International as its counterpart in India. Sewa International and the various organizations that it oversees receive over two-thirds of IDRF funding.

In the United States, where substantial funding is raised for Hindu extremist agendas, the government must act to ensure that organizations that broker terror should not continue to enjoy their non-profit status within the country.

It is interesting that in 1999, the VHP failed to gain recognition at the United Nations as `a cultural organisation` because of its philosophical underpinnings. However, the VHP of America is an independent charity registered in the United States in the 1970s, where it has received funds from a variety of individuals and organizations.

Non-resident Indians and Americans of Indian descent must examine the politics of hate encouraged by extremist Hindu organizations in the name of charity and social work. Indians, one of the most financially successful groups in the United States, must take seriously their moral obligation to ensure that their dollars are not funding malice and scrutinize the organizations that are on the receiving end in India.

ANGANA CHATTERJI

San Francisco, USA

rsaxena,

You`ll have me `bleating` ha ha ... dream on. First try to understand that DST is not dependant on latitudes...

Then speak of `bleating` anyone ok?

jay,

I usually ignore your nonsense given that you are an uneducated fool who is utterly obsessed with Pakistan: `Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have Daylight savings time`.

To illustrate my `alleged` obsession with India you speak of my Sher Shah Suri article. A few days ago the very moderate Irfan Hussain mentioned Sher Shah as an example for all rulers who wish to do good for their people. Is he obsessed with India too... Sher Shah Suri was also a ruler of what is now Pakistan in case you forgot. His GT Road goes all the way to Attock in case you didn`t know... he built a beautiful fort near Jehlum which he named after Rohtas, his fort in Bengal... and his public work programmes like Bowlies he built along roadsides and trees that he planted still have remains in Pakistan. If by mentioning the fact that certain Hinduvtists are planning on destroying his mausoleum is being obsessed with India... then what will you call your 24/7 lies and accusations against Pakistan?

Tilak and Gokhale were identified as Political mentors by Mohammed Ali Jinnah who is Pakistan`s founder... Jinnah was the hired counsel for Tilak almost everytime he got arrested... and the freedom struggle isn`t your monopoly. If I choose to write about Tilak and gokhale ... it is my decision and that has nothing to do with India... remember I am didn`t write an article called `Advani and Vajpayee`.

So why don`t you shut up and give your perverse logic and stop obsessing over Pakistan and Pakistanis... instead do something to alleviate the tremendous hardship of those poor and destitute people called the Indians especially those who are burnt alive because of their religion?

-YLH

ps: Is it really your creed to put everything in reverse... for example the other Pakistan-obsessed loser Sadna started cursing at Pakistan and when I responded in kind, she blissfuly informed me that I am a `compulsive abusive` ... check out her recent farcial attempt to prove that she is not obsessed with Pakistan...

Arjun: ``i just said the civilized world has a better impression of india than pakiland. i have never said gandhi was better than jinnah(i could care less)..i just said jinnah is a nobody and a lot of average joes think gandhi is some sort of saint(hilarious i know)``

It is a pathetic waste that an introspective magnificent place now has the likes of u to defend itself. What does the ``civilized world`` (Read: ALL WHITE PEOPLE, who uv magically polled) have to do with whether or not something is true? A FACT is a FACT regardless of the reputation of whomever upholds it.

You just keep proving what ive been saying for time, chowk is full of idiots.

Congratulations to all Pakistanis.

One of the Magsaysay Awards for 2002 went to Dr. Ruth Pfau, a German nun who has worked for four decades providing medical assistance, particularly to lepers, in the Northern Areas.

I hope all Pakistanis take as much pride in Dr. Pfau and her work and consider her one of them as Indians do Mother Teresa.

A hint to all those who run madrassahs in Pakistan: Another award went to Sandeep Pandey, an Indian who founded ASHA which runs education/self-help projects throughout India. So, you guys are on the right track. You might just want to revise your curriculum.

Imagine they were Christian missionaries, or Islamic terrorists

By S Gurumurthy

All four of them were kidnapped, over two years ago, in August 1999. By a leading purveyor of terrorism in Tripura, the National Liberation Front of Tripura. The Indian intelligence knows that the American-powered Baptist Church, which keeps spreading the poison of separatism among the tribals of North East, fully backs this terrorist outfit.

Now, after two years it has been confirmed that the terrorists have snuffed out the kidnap victims. Both the Central Government and the Tripura Government have confirmed their deaths. But most Indians are unaware of the abduction earlier and of their death now.

Why was this abduction the least known? Why no screaming headlines day after day. Why no stinging editorials week after week. No biting criticisms from secular columnists. No statements from secular intellectuals. No accusation from secular leaders or their parties. No adjournment or other motions in Lok Sabha. No storming of the well, no strangulation of the Rajya Sabha asking to dismiss the Tripura government. Why?

Simple. Though highly dedicated social workers, the victims happened to be Hindus. Worse still, they were all RSS men. But, not one of them is an ordinary RSS worker; every one a responsible leader of the organization.

Shyamal Sengupta was the secretary of the RSS for the entire Eastern India. Sudhamoy Dutta was a fulltime worker of RSS in charge of the Agartala segment. Dinendra Nath Dey was in charge of the organisation in South Assam. And Subha Shankar Chakraborty was a full time worker of the organization in charge of a district in Tripura. They were kidnapped and killed precisely because they were fighting the violent separatist elements in the North East like the National Liberation Front of Tripura.

Since Independence, North East India has become the hunting ground for different denominations of the Christian churches for their religious head count through organized and un-resisted conversions. Nowhere in the world churches of all denominations are allowed to hunt the less informed people as in India; more importantly, as in the North East. Most of the foreign churches carry their national flag. The Anglican Church carries the British Flag. The Lutheran the German flag. The Baptist the American flag. So do the Danish, Dutch and all other national churches. They carry their flags and politics wherever they go. There is more of politics, global politics, than Christianity in the work of most national churches. The geo-political designs of the US internalize the role of the church. It is such geopolitical designs of the West during the cold war, which handed over drugs and guns to the youth of the North East. And this is what extended terrorism and separatism to others in the most sensitive area of our country.

International aid money for religious conversions to drug funds operate in this region to make the tribals believe that they have nothing to do with India, as to disfigure India. The sermon of most of the foreign national churches to the less informed tribals is that they are distinct and separate. So they must become separate from India. This is what these four kidnapped and killed patriots were resisting and fighting against.

But it is workers like them who rush to render relief to the victims of flood or drought, earthquakes or other disasters. When the Russian and Saudian aircraft had a mid-air collision near Delhi, and all mutilated bodies, most of them of Muslims, were strewn around, it was the RSS workers who rushed first to the spot and took charge of everything, including the cremation of the stinking flesh remains, and restoration of the valuables. Even its worst detractors admit that be it war times or at peace time, the work of the RSS has been commendable. But their good work goes mostly unreported by the media. Nevertheless the media puts them on the front page whenever it has to, for precisely the wrong reasons. But anyway they do not work to get the media attention. Like in work, in their kidnapping and death administered by the terrorists also, the four patriots have been denied recognition. But they did not work or die to get the recognition of any.

Imagine it was the other way round. Had the kidnapped and killed been Christian missionaries. Let it be just one missionary, not four. What would the secular editors, newspapers, columnists have not said. ``barbaric communalism at work`` ``secularism in danger`` ``fascism at play`` and what not. What would not the secular political leaders and parties have done? Would they have allowed Parliament to function? The completely fabricated nun rape case in Jhabua in Madhya Pradesh had debilitated the nation`s mind for months and months. Thanks to the secular megaphones in the media and politics, the whole world was made to believe that it was some kind of pastime in India to rape nuns. Even after the incident was proved fabricated, not a single accuser withdrew his word. Not a single newspaper expressed regret. Not a single political leader regretted his hysterical conduct. Not a single political party expressed guilt at having misled the nation. The less said about those Christian leaders, who took millions of captive school children on to the streets to protest against the false rape, the better. Now the court in Jhabua has explicitly ruled that there was no communal rape. Most newspapers did not even report the court verdict, thus serving the cause of secularism.

Even if the killed four had been Islamic terrorists, there would be enough secular elites and editors who would walk up to the Wagah border with candles in their hands to plead for peace so that no more killings take place. It is a different matter that they would not have the guts to walk in the streets of Srinagar and Anantnag with the same message of peace. Their struggle for peace is conditioned by assured protection, which the government can give at Wagah, not in Kashmir.

This is the drift in the national mind. This is what made V P Singh who was the prime minister (when the Kashmiri Hindus were thrown out of their domicile of thousands of years on to the streets of Delhi) not to visit the Kashmiri Hindus who had become refugees in their own land of birth. They were at the refugee camps in Delhi, a stone`s throw from the PMs office and home. He knew the rule of Indian polity that it was un-secular to meet the Jihad victims who belonged to the majority faith. He never saw them till he ceased to be the PM and even after. It is not without reason that he is an unquestioned leader of the secularists! It is this drift, which makes responsible editors of newspapers to arrange meetings of the Jihad-advocating-Kashmiri separatists with the elites of India. Like V P Singhs, they would not even meet the victims of Jihad, much less arrange the meetings of the victims.

The logic is clear. It will be un-secular to be seen with the victims who belong to the majority faith, but totally secular to work with the Jihadis. With those who religious head hunt in the North East. Nothing is more indicative of a drifting mind. This is what the four kidnapped patriots had fought to resist, and got kidnapped and killed.

Poll sans talks will ruin J&K PEACE PROCESS,JETHMALANI ,peacehttp://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/aug05/ijeth.htm

Poll sans talks will ruin J&K peace process: Jethmalani NEW DELHI, Aug 4 (PTI) Doubting the Centre?s initiative to ensure free and fair elections in Jammu and Kashmir, former Union law minister Ram Jethmalani today said the sudden announcement of the elections without necessary dialogue process to involve everyone in the polls would ruin the peace process. ``We do not want the elections to go the same way as it did in 1987 and 1996,`` said Mr Jethmalani, who today held a meeting of a group of private citizens christened as the ``Kashmir Committee`` to find a solution to the decade old problem.

http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002080504230100.htm

Translate rhetoric into action, NHRC chief tells PM

http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/2002080504230100.htm

Translate rhetoric into action, NHRC chief tells PM

By Our Staff Reporter

BANGALORE AUG. 4. The Chairman of the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC), J.S. Verma, said here today that the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, must translate his rhetoric into action, and bring back religious tolerance in the country.

Speaking at a round table on combating communal hatred, at the National Law School of India University, he recalled Mr. Vajpayee`s earlier statement that he believed in the Hinduism of tolerance and respect for all, a religion that prioritised humanism. ``If things had changed...,`` the Prime Minister had then said, ``I would be far away from it.``

Hey Arjun ..Scam after scam claim always same ``Biggest ever`` Is it ever going to decrease to ``Smallest ever`` or is it like your Population inflating to the higher level.... crime, Sacam ,now Scandal of your INFOSYS sleeping with Maximovitch a bulgarian white single female........ tp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=18186767



Biggest scandal since independence: Congress

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NILANJANA BHADURI JHA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ MONDAY, AUGUST 05, 2002 9:09:52 PM ]



NEW DELHI: Describing the petrol pump issue as the ``biggest scandal in independent India``, the Congress has demanded the resignation of Petroleum Minister Ram Naik, saying cancellation of allotments is not enough. The party has also conducted investigations of its own, alleging a scam of over Rs 2,500 cr.

re: ylh

...dude, if you have a problem with sadna or whoever else, go deal with them...don`t bother me or i`ll have you bleating in no time...