The Right To Bigotry

THE CONSPIRACY OF COMMIES IN INDIA (A MUST READ)

Look how commie ba$tards are pursuing their anti national agenda through propaganda. I have not heard this kind of vicious propaganda even in Paki newspapers or PTV. Methinks Bengal govt should be dismissed using Article 356 and Communist party along with their propaganda brothers RSS should be BANNED UNDER POTA.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/archive/1020802/national.htm#head6

The Centre today took on the West Bengal government in the Supreme Court with an “anti-national” question paper set for the state’s inter-school higher secondary test.

Solicitor-general Harish Salve presented the entire set of question papers for the year 1992 before a three-judge bench presided over by Justice M.B. Shah, and pointed out its “anti-national” tone.

Students appearing for the Hindi (Group-A) second paper examination were asked to write an essay on any one of the following topics :

National unity and integrity are false political slogans

In Hindustan, there is no place for Hindu and Hindi

Five-year plans are a sham

Statistics on national development are a fraud

Democracy is a conspiracy

National revolution is the only way for progress

National means of broadcasting are useless

The students were also asked to write a précis of the following passage:

“The guardian of national politics… Delhi is a heartless administrative seat, on which sit not elected representatives of people, but anti-social poisonous snakes coming out of the caste jungle. Progress has been destroyed by tradition, education by the English medium, religion by political secularism, human beings by greed, idealism by dirty consumerism… Litterateurs have turned alcoholic, democratic representatives and administrators have become national villains, who only like secret accounts in foreign banks.”

A choice was given between writing the precis or expanding the following:

“Red Flag in Red Fort,

Is the demand of Hindustan.”

From the Hindi paper, Salve went to the mathematics paper set in the 1999-2000 annual examination for Class VI students in a Burdwan higher secondary school.

“How much money did Clinton give Atal and Pervez?” Salve started, when Justice Shah stopped the court room drama, telling him “not to read any more”.

The question that the solicitor-general was referring to, asked: “All right children, tell us how much money did Bill give Atal and Pervez?

“Three friends, Pervez, Atal and Bill went on a picnic. Pervez bought 750 grams of meat at Rs 120 a kg, Atal bought other food for Rs 75 and Bill gave some money to Atal and Pervez, so that their expenditure was equal. How much money did Atal and Pervez receive from Bill?”

Salve also attached BJP propaganda material against this question: “Marxists, who have reached ideological bankruptcy, are now targeting young students through education in West Bengal. They are making an attempt to sow poisonous seeds, reflective of their low thinking, into the consciousness of the children in Burdwan district of West Bengal…”

Salve will continue his arguments tomorrow before the three-judge bench, including Justice M.B. Shah, Justice D.M. Dharmadhikari and Justice H.K.Sema.

A very important observation was made here.
The media sometimes becomes a willing culprit
in such instances of mass murder.
India is at a turning point. If Gujrat-like situations continue, the future of that country is bleak no matter what IT companies it can presently attract.
Marjun_m may disagree but some Indians are beginning to accept this fact.

Ras

RE: Reply #: 18 Romair

``The coming elections in Gujrat could be a watershed point for the BJP.

....If the former happens, then I am afraid the worst days of communal violence in India are ahead, and not behind. If the later happens, then that could be the first step in the BJP losing its popularity``

In the first place, the BJP gained it`s current ``popularity`` not so much for it`s Hindutva agenda but because the Congress and National Front Govt proved to be inept entities. Even this popularity hasn`t translated to an absolute majority and has forced it to rule with a coalition Govt.. So if the Indian people have given it a mandate to govern, it is with one hand held to their nose.

Next, the BJP has already lost it`s popularity given that it`s rule is now reduced to just three states, if I`m not mistaken.

If Pakistanis really want to see the BJP out of power, then they should take steps which will lead to a leadership that doesn`t keep riling India`s goat, especially by projecting differences as a Muslim vs. non-Muslim one.

The latest example is Mushy`s grand tour with the obvious purpose of cornering India. Someone should kick the guy in the a * * to straighten his brains out.

re: ylh

..tsk tsk tsk...from revisionist BS to delusion to now lies...you really need to find some other ways to prop up your self-esteem...my specific post was on time zones and not DST...allow me to refresh your memory here...

http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=bshah_apr1602&n=50#reply29

...so tell us...what is the latest GDP growth rate as predicted by your my-dad-offered-me-a-job-so-the-economy-must-be-strong barometer?...and which ivy league school is being kicked out to make room for rutgers?...ta ta

Re: Aakar

There is something fundamentally disgusting about your conclusion. I suspect you yourself are disgusted by your conclusion.

You are proposing to pull a Jack Nicholson on an entire country (You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!).

If publications or the authorities withhold the truth from the public it is with the assumption that the public cant be trusted with the truth. Well then how can the same public be trusted to know what is good for it?

You are challenging the very basis of democracy. Furthermore, this whole notion of ‘responsible’ editors withholding information from the flammable hordes reeks of elitism of the worst kind.

re: Romair

If the voters vindicate the BJP in Gujarat it does not logically follow that Indians are in favor of the RSS agenda.

At the worst it means that Gujaratis are.

Stop making authoritative comments about India while sitting in some stinking cube farm.

The coming elections in Gujrat could be a watershed point for the BJP.

The BJP has initiated, ``early`` elections, because it feels it can take advantage of the charged situation in Gujrat, i.e. it feels the killings will play to its advantage, and it will get even more votes than it would have gotten, had it waited for the normal elections.

If the BJP does end up getting more votes, it would probably indicate that pursuing the Hinduvta agenda, without worrying about moderate alliance parties, is actually a plus point for the BJP. This could encourage the BJP to drop its facade, and show its true RSS colors throughout India.

If it gets less votes, then it could indicate that Indians are fed up with Hinduvta, and may force the BJP to moderate its views.

If the former happens, then I am afraid the worst days of communal violence in India are ahead, and not behind. If the later happens, then that could be the first step in the BJP losing its popularity.

RE: Reply #: 11 arjun_m

``But the question is: Why would the US do that?``

Very simple, my man. Nations don`t have friends, they have interests. I think India has learned a hard lesson after doing a 180 degree turn in it`s friendship with the U.S.. She is now being lectured by Colin Powell about how to hold elections in Kashmir while he pats the master manipulator and democracy killer Mushy on the back for pimping his country to the U.S. yet again.

I think somebody has to tell the U.S. Emperor that he has no clothes. Osama bin Laden is a U.S. creation, Saddam Hussein is a U.S. creation and I don`t see why self-respecting people of the world who have no intention of even harming a hair on an American`s head should be held accountable in it`s war on terror, especially when the U.S. Govt. was responsible for creating these demons at the expense of the local populace in the first place.

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Aakar,

A well written Article.

Welcomed respite after the iodine deficient ramblings of Sumit Ganguly (“I took the pin out of the grenade to make it safe”) , P-Mishra2 ( “so whats wrong with Ganguly’s claim”), Jay and Rsaxena (“Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have DST”)…

Sincerely

YLH

jawahara:

``I am such an ardent supporter of freedom of expression. I believe in the adage, I don`t agree with what you say but I will defend, with my life, your right to say it. But then, nobody I have loved has died a horrendous, hate-propelled death.

And what is the cost of human lives? And shattered dreams? And this dark, vicious hatred that is churning our world? Are all these worth the freedom of expression?``

veeresh:

``So, at the end of the day, Aakar, if you print / publish what you think is correct, then that is about the best you can do people, freedom``

...both of you have said what i was thinking so well...so what do we do?...

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Aakar, this article articulated the struggle going on inside of me since all this started.

I am such an ardent supporter of freedom of expression. I believe in the adage, I don`t agree with what you say but I will defend, with my life, your right to say it. But then, nobody I have loved has died a horrendous, hate-propelled death.

And what is the cost of human lives? And shattered dreams? And this dark, vicious hatred that is churning our world? Are all these worth the freedom of expression?

Well, part of me, says that principles are what keep us going, hoping for a brighter future, an idea, an ideal that will be triumphant in the end. Some day. One day.

And the other, more cynical (realistic?) part of me tells me I have really not seen much triumph of good and right lately, or ever. That these are all fairy tales invented to keep us complacent. That there is no right and wrong.

I think, in India, we need real dialogue. Examine the roots of this hatred that seems to grow stronger each day. Throw away those stupid national integration messages with hindus, muslims and sikhs dancing on Holi and Eid, or whatever. Why do we hate each other? Really? What can we do? It is rooted in our history, in everything that has happened till now. And it will get worse if we don`t acknowledge and truly deal with them in a healthy manner. Maybe we can`t get along but perhaps we don`t need to kill and rape each other to show our hatred. But I know this honest, painful dialogue is never going to happen. National dialogue and self-examination is not our way.

All sides have culpability in this climate of hatred. But when the government intercedes, it is something else altogether.

So, I have no dissenting views. Just a terrible darkness and a groping for answers. Wondering where we are headed. And it scares me.

I look forward to reading others` responses.

My memories of Sandesh mostly include furtive glances at the movies page in my 6ht and 7th standards.. Along with the usual suspect Hindi movies, there used to be titles like Frech Teacher, Bedroom Eyes, House of Love and The Last Seduction, all of which were screened in movie theatres I had never seen or knew where they were.

The fuzzy pics accompanying these movie ads, were enough titillation for a 12 year old boy in those days of DD and DD only. The descriptions were not bad either.. One translation from Gujarati to Hindi:

`` Jab kisi ke shayan kaksh mein teesra jhaankhta hai to kya hota hai? Pati ki jawani jab sexy patni ko dabati hai, to teesre jhaankhte hue aadmi se kaisa raha jayega? Garam Jawani aur Hasin Husna ka milan hua to kya hua?

Sheher ke yuvako mein HULLA !!(No Yuvatis, we are Indians :-))..

Kaam-vaasna ko nazro-nazar dekhne ki liye aaiye --Bedroom Eyes.

18 or upar. Sirf Vayasko ke Liye``

But the ads were there for all, even children to see.. Though making sure that Mom didnt see me reading that page was difficult at times..I suspect she knew..I must thank Sandesh for all the fun that we had then :-)

Other memories include ``reports`` about Martians landing in Russia and giving birth to a baby with blue skin and three eyes.. These ``reports`` were published in all seriousness, with photos and no denials ever.

Needless to say no one ever took Sandesh seriously.. Gujarat Samachar was always the classier one..

Anyways, later..

Satyavadi

``We are, simply put, unfit to have this freedom because we will misuse it. For murder.``

quiet right. being an indian myself, i do think that indians were not and are not reaedy for democracy and freedom. what india needed and still needs is a system where freedom is restricted. close example to that would be china.

50 years since freedom, half the population is living below poverty line, half the population is illiterate. what kind of leaders would such people choose.

I don`t have an opposing view. Indeed I feel that curtailing freedom of expression might be a good short term solution sometimes. My amazement however derives from the fact that the newspapers were obviously delivering something which their bloodthirsty audience wanted.

So what has introduced so much poison into Gujrati (maybe Indian?) society? And if it is not possible to fool all the people all the time, how come this poison has survived for so long? Does this mean that there are real issues involved which we dare not address?

And where do we go from here? If we are a democracy, should we let people really express thier views, knowing that these will destroy secular society as we know it? Or should we, like our freedom of expression, curtail democracy for a while?

-narain