The Right To Bigotry

re: ylh #79

...and you said i couldn`t get you to bleat at will...hahahaha...bacchey, you just got played...again...

fawad :) CAUTION: long post ;)

I was wondering what you were up to. Not much going on here. Soon to join the ranks of the unemployed (`opefully not for long) My lovely yet lowly presence on Chowk will diminish considerably within the next few weeks..and will miss inter-acting with some of the bachche log and some of the buzorgs, but `nyways...

you asked me about the bombings...are you referring to what happened in Murree earlier this week with the masked gunmen? `Course I was saddened to read about that, more so for the people who died at the hands of these faceless `buzdils`. I know people who went to that school years ago, I`ve visited it myself, and clearly it was targeted because a) it is Christian and more importantly b)it is an American school where most of the student population is American, or British, or Australian or Filipino. A school whose administration and students have not had much IF any problems with the local community around them. This is a school whose alumni have returned after their college educations to give back not just to the school, but to continue their love affair with Pakistan, developed in their youth.

As for whether I fear for the Christian population there, at this point I fear for the entire country, but almost everyday, I think I`m going to get that phone call from my mother who lives a few hours away from me, telling me `bout something horrible happening to our relatives in Pakistan, or friends that we know, or the community as a whole. My mother,however, feels that so much fear and worrying does not help and prayers do. :) I remember as a child being ridiculed for being a ``Issaiyee`, and my inability to respond to that in any way other than silence and tears..except for the one time I wrote the note `may you all burn in hell forever`, and guess who got in trouble! I have no illusions or delusions regarding the treatment of Christians (or any minority) in Pakistan. And since I`ve already spoken about this on another board..I don`t want to go too further into it, except to paraphrase what a dear friend said, which is that once we begin respecting each other as individuals and equals then and only then can we progress as a society and abolish these laws that strangle us right now. So yes, I am worried about Christians, no, I am not very hopeful, and I`m not really sure how most Pakistani Christians feel `cept that quite a few of us are quite content to be what Bapsi Sidhwa described the Parsi community in `Cracking India` as being the sugar in the milk, only it seems that some of the more ignorant folk cannot stand having sugar in their milk :) Pakistan is their home, and hate crimes against them will not force them to leave what has been their home for generations and generations, sadly some of them don`t have the means to either, unless they are helped by friends/familia already in the US, or England, or Australia, or wherever they are.

One of my favorite songs by Bob Marley often comes to mind when I think about the world we live in now, this world that many of us are bringing children into. The song is Redemption Song, and these particular lyrics are what stay in my mind: Emancipate yourself from mental slavery/None but ourselves can free our minds/Have no fear for atomic energy/Cause none of them can stop the time/How long shall they kill our prophets/While we stand aside and look/Some say its just a part of it/We`ve got to fulfill the book/Won`t you help to sing these songs of freedom/Cause all I ever had, redemption songs.

We are still killing our prophets, and the barrage never seems to end. Peace!

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re: yasser ` s famous -green-yasser-my-name-is-on -the back -in case-you didnt know-tshirt

yasser do remember this one

we were eating at the campus center or sitting on bush it was in a booth and my cousin was in the back and i said .........you get up and all those paki girls were like pointing and laughing .........dude why do you wear that shirt???????? they eveb asked me why doesnt he take the letters off!!!! yasser that shirt is eccentric at the very least!!!!!!

ps how is saif whats he up too?

yasser

so you are doing ur LLB at Punjab ..........cool i hope you join the ranks of asma jengahir and her like .......we need more secular lawyers in pak man !!! i was wondering have you interacted with pakistani christians in pakistan how do these guys feel ..........it pisses me off that we have these yahoos but i feel sorry for them i dont want these militants to be just put in jail i went them to put down their guns and go home !!! i want them to get married and have jobs and be happy ..........i want them to be constructive citizens .................

ana

we havent talked on chowk in a while whats up i like our e-conversations on chowk a lot i get to learn a lot from you how do you feel about these recent bombing do you fear for the xian population in pak how do you other paki xians feel(this might be offensive paki)

anwyway we should go to starbucks unless then again if you boycott them and talk about literature and other intellectual stuff

shankar

whats up doc? long time no talk guess what they want shrinks to testify in blaspehmy cases in a pak looool what do u think of pHD pyschologists is there a rivalry? hey i decided im going to do a residency in ID pharmacy practice i want to be a clinical PharmD not bad as it seems!!!

rsaxena

dude when are we going clubbing !!!!!! i heard mad parties are going down india and paki day parades man !!!! ps club excess jersey shore very happening !!!!!

why this incessant babbling on pakis i thought you were above this .................

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YLH

Can you please contact and update me. BTW ``hobbes`` because of problems with ``hobbyty``

Rsaxena,

Oh wow So you (a mighty ivy leaguer) finally came across Einstein`s statement about the great and one true God almighty aka Gandhi? I think Arjunm answered your question even if he did so in sarcasm...

By the way your predilection to irrelevancy never ceases to amaze me ... now Gandhi, whatever his achievements and claim to fame (I hope and pray that it is not simply because Dr.King and Einstein said so and so about gandhiji) has nothing to do with the fact that you think `Pakistan is geographically too thin a country to have daylight savings time`... the fact is that you need to have some more of that iodized salt... I fear that the deficiency permanently voided your brain cells (which might be the reason why you are starting with the Gandhi hagiography on this board).



fawad,

Yaar I have been busy with a lot of things... plus my email accounts were wiped out ....

`South Asianism` isn`t making inroads into Pakistan nor in the US... Pakistanis are a proud people who believe in peace and prosperity of all of the world, and with these bombings in Pakistan which destroy our commerce, and in India which end up making the legitimate Kashmir cause look bad... Pakistanis are becoming more and more weary of the `Jihadist` mentality cultivated by an unelected leadership in the 1980s... True Liberalism is now making inroads in Pakistan.

You have to realize that Pakistan exists and by that virtue it is a concrete reality which can`t be harmed by ideologies... No one is going to subvert our sovereignty, be they Arabs, Afghans or Indians...

You can`t make a judgement based on experiences with a bunch of uneducated losers of Pakistani origin from New Jersey... the Problem with New Jersey`s Pakistanis is not `South Asianism`... it is Islamism... it is their tendency to lick the ugly arab behinds... that is the problem.. which Pakistanis there have to deal with...

Dear Arjunm,

``the chances of the RSS being banned in the US are less than the chances of romair actually wearing a tshirt with a paki flag and roaming the streets of nyc.``

I am sorry I don`t understand this statement... I don`t about Romair but I wear my Pakistani shirt with my name Yasser on the back(I even attended a Israel solidarity rally with that shirt) everywhere including NYC (and unlike you would like to believe, I still have a valid visa status in the US if I wish to return)... Perhaps you didn`t realize but Pakistani flags were flying over town hall on 2nd May this year when Junoon played there... infact the only responses I got were `Your President seems to be a very decent man` in response to which I explained that Musharraf was a Military dictator and that there were many others equally or even more decent leaders in Pakistan...

Anyway... must you always be so negative about Pakistan? Did you read my post addressed to you on the other board?

-YLH

Arjun

You are exactly correct about ``perceptions``. Also I doubt very much if Pakistan will ever be percieved in friendly terms in USA - in fact I think it is an impossibility, now and in the future, unless thinking in US changes.

For my money, I hope the thinking in the US does not change, not any time soon.

A period of criticism and introspection, not just navel gazing but really critical evaluation has begun in Pakistan and among Pakistanis; it is a most liberating experience and already good has begun to come from it - the more we can look clearly, think clearly, identify our defiencies, the more confident we can be that the problems will be resolved.

As long as Pakistan is denied a crutch, Pakistan and Pakistanis will learn that they can make it on their own.

Heyu Arjun_m

First The Infosys.....PHINEESHED

Now VSNL Indias Nationalised Govt controlled enteprise of Monopoly is bleeding no matter its govt ..but Hindians will pay ultimately

http://headlines.sify.com/popwin.html

VSNL risks losing Rs 441 crore, thanks to Worldcom

New Delhi, Aug 6 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd is facing a risk of losing anywhere between Rs 294 crore to Rs 441 crore which it has yet to recover from US long distance telephony giant, WorldCom. VSNL Director Operations, N. Srinath today said while the company remains optimistic that its relationship with WorldCom will continue to be mutually beneficial and that VSNL will collect its dues from WorldCom, there are risks inherent in any bankruptcy proceedings. ``There can be no assurance that VSNL will be able to collect its WorldCom receivables or that VSNL will not be adversely affected by WorldCom`s financial difficulties.`` WorldCom is one of VSNL`s major carrier partners with whom the Indian company exchanges significant US -bound traffic. The relationship between the companies is governed by a tariff arrangement with WorldCom which was declared bankrupt recently. WorldCom filed the biggest bankruptcy in history on July 21 after revealing a 3.85 billion dollar mishandling of its books but has pledged to maintain operations that include the No. 2 US long-distance service and half the world`s Internet traffic. But WorldCom will transfer two million customers at its money-losing wireless unit to other providers. For the year ended March 31, 2002, gross revenues from WorldCom represented approximately 14 per cent of VSNL`s total operating revenues. On March 31,2002, balances due from WorldCom represented approximately Rs 221 crore (approx 45 million dollars). Till end of July 2002, VSNL estimates that it has an exposure of approximately Rs 294 crore to Rs 441 crores to Worldcom.

arjun_m

various posts...

I`m just trying to figure you out..

bear with me:)

too bad we cant communicate with visual cues like facial expression & body language..

So you are out to prove that the ``civilised world`` has a much worse perception about Pakistan than India?!

If your intention is to argue with the 12 headed monster..then thats OK....personally, I think thats a waste of time & energy.

If your intention is to bait ylh...please please dont...as an ``relative old timer`` on Chowk...I`ve listened to that bakra bleating too many times here...it was entertaining for a while, now its getting annoying.

When he starts verbally masterbating, all of us better duck for cover...the tone of his posts start rising in crescendo & ends in an ecstatic shower of..er..whats the word?...``come``!..when he gloriously announces ``I won my argument!! I won my argument!!!``....& then he starts masterbating all over again...even for the 20-something he is remarkably immature...woh kabhi sudherne wallah nahih hai....please have some mercy on me!

But; seriously; so what if India`s perception is better than Pakistan? The ``civilised world`` doesnt compare India with Pakistan..they compare India with China..& in many many ways; India`s performance in development has been awful, compared to the Chinese. Its a good thing there are no Chinamen on Chowk..they could come with a 1000 ``Indian t-shirt`` posts.

Secondly, eventhough India`s perception is better..in very very important respects it doesnt make that much of a difference. The civilised world..esp the country that really matters, US....would rather tilt towards a shitpot like Pakistan that bends over backwards to further American interests; than a shitopt like India that will ``proudly`` take an independant stance.

Do you think the US (or the rest of the world) really gives a sh it about Kashmir or India or Pakistan?! They are getting involved because they dont want their policy of eradicating Al-Qeeda hampered by annoying things like an Indo-Pak war.

Maybe I`m cynical, but in foreign policy, EVERY country looks PRIMARILY at ``interests``...concepts like ``ideology`` etc are for domestic consumption. If there is an ``ideology`` that the US LOVES (but never admits to, publicly) is a compliant dictator who is easily led by the nose by them. Eventhough he acts like a tough SOB; Mushy plays that game beautifully.

Proud Pakistani soldierboys are so obssessed with ``standing tall`` in front of India, that they will maintain their ``honor`` by licking Uncle Sam`s butt, if they have too. He`s earned the title Busharraf! India may have an IT industry. Pakistan has an ``aid industry`` that makes them billions. Even a third rate tinpot dictator like Zia performed brilliantly in promoting that industry.