The Right To Bigotry

Re: Aakar

There is something fundamentally disgusting about your conclusion. I suspect you yourself are disgusted by your conclusion.

You are proposing to pull a Jack Nicholson on an entire country (You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!).

If publications or the authorities withhold the truth from the public it is with the assumption that the public cant be trusted with the truth. Well then how can the same public be trusted to know what is good for it?

You are challenging the very basis of democracy. Furthermore, this whole notion of ‘responsible’ editors withholding information from the flammable hordes reeks of elitism of the worst kind.

re: ylh

..tsk tsk tsk...from revisionist BS to delusion to now lies...you really need to find some other ways to prop up your self-esteem...my specific post was on time zones and not DST...allow me to refresh your memory here...

http://www.chowk.com/bin/showr.cgi?f=bshah_apr1602&n=50#reply29

...so tell us...what is the latest GDP growth rate as predicted by your my-dad-offered-me-a-job-so-the-economy-must-be-strong barometer?...and which ivy league school is being kicked out to make room for rutgers?...ta ta

RE: Reply #: 18 Romair

``The coming elections in Gujrat could be a watershed point for the BJP.

....If the former happens, then I am afraid the worst days of communal violence in India are ahead, and not behind. If the later happens, then that could be the first step in the BJP losing its popularity``

In the first place, the BJP gained it`s current ``popularity`` not so much for it`s Hindutva agenda but because the Congress and National Front Govt proved to be inept entities. Even this popularity hasn`t translated to an absolute majority and has forced it to rule with a coalition Govt.. So if the Indian people have given it a mandate to govern, it is with one hand held to their nose.

Next, the BJP has already lost it`s popularity given that it`s rule is now reduced to just three states, if I`m not mistaken.

If Pakistanis really want to see the BJP out of power, then they should take steps which will lead to a leadership that doesn`t keep riling India`s goat, especially by projecting differences as a Muslim vs. non-Muslim one.

The latest example is Mushy`s grand tour with the obvious purpose of cornering India. Someone should kick the guy in the a * * to straighten his brains out.

A very important observation was made here.
The media sometimes becomes a willing culprit
in such instances of mass murder.
India is at a turning point. If Gujrat-like situations continue, the future of that country is bleak no matter what IT companies it can presently attract.
Marjun_m may disagree but some Indians are beginning to accept this fact.

Ras

THE CONSPIRACY OF COMMIES IN INDIA (A MUST READ)

Look how commie ba$tards are pursuing their anti national agenda through propaganda. I have not heard this kind of vicious propaganda even in Paki newspapers or PTV. Methinks Bengal govt should be dismissed using Article 356 and Communist party along with their propaganda brothers RSS should be BANNED UNDER POTA.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/archive/1020802/national.htm#head6

The Centre today took on the West Bengal government in the Supreme Court with an “anti-national” question paper set for the state’s inter-school higher secondary test.

Solicitor-general Harish Salve presented the entire set of question papers for the year 1992 before a three-judge bench presided over by Justice M.B. Shah, and pointed out its “anti-national” tone.

Students appearing for the Hindi (Group-A) second paper examination were asked to write an essay on any one of the following topics :

National unity and integrity are false political slogans

In Hindustan, there is no place for Hindu and Hindi

Five-year plans are a sham

Statistics on national development are a fraud

Democracy is a conspiracy

National revolution is the only way for progress

National means of broadcasting are useless

The students were also asked to write a précis of the following passage:

“The guardian of national politics… Delhi is a heartless administrative seat, on which sit not elected representatives of people, but anti-social poisonous snakes coming out of the caste jungle. Progress has been destroyed by tradition, education by the English medium, religion by political secularism, human beings by greed, idealism by dirty consumerism… Litterateurs have turned alcoholic, democratic representatives and administrators have become national villains, who only like secret accounts in foreign banks.”

A choice was given between writing the precis or expanding the following:

“Red Flag in Red Fort,

Is the demand of Hindustan.”

From the Hindi paper, Salve went to the mathematics paper set in the 1999-2000 annual examination for Class VI students in a Burdwan higher secondary school.

“How much money did Clinton give Atal and Pervez?” Salve started, when Justice Shah stopped the court room drama, telling him “not to read any more”.

The question that the solicitor-general was referring to, asked: “All right children, tell us how much money did Bill give Atal and Pervez?

“Three friends, Pervez, Atal and Bill went on a picnic. Pervez bought 750 grams of meat at Rs 120 a kg, Atal bought other food for Rs 75 and Bill gave some money to Atal and Pervez, so that their expenditure was equal. How much money did Atal and Pervez receive from Bill?”

Salve also attached BJP propaganda material against this question: “Marxists, who have reached ideological bankruptcy, are now targeting young students through education in West Bengal. They are making an attempt to sow poisonous seeds, reflective of their low thinking, into the consciousness of the children in Burdwan district of West Bengal…”

Salve will continue his arguments tomorrow before the three-judge bench, including Justice M.B. Shah, Justice D.M. Dharmadhikari and Justice H.K.Sema.

Dost-Mittar, nasah, and a whole host of others bemoaning that India hasn`t reached the stage of US or Canada in terms of human rights.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, some of the radio broadcasts fingered Muslim terrorists as the cause. One Palestinian was actually pulled off a flight and detained for a couple of days while the FBI probed his background.

Ah yes, during the Atlanta Olympics, when somebody left a bomb in a trashcan and one newsreporter died of a heart attck rushing to cover the story, the FBI happily spread the lie that an unemployed security guard was the person responsible so that they didn`t have to admit that they didn`t have a clue who did it. The newspapers equally happily published that lie.

Yaaaawn!

Dear Semipreciousme # 12 . . . what we do is we get more & more & more people to interact at chowk . . . that is one thing . . . regards/veeresh

Dearest Saxena,

The article in question was about DST. The discussion was about DST. Now only an idiot would write the post that you did… or perhaps you thought Time Zones somehow determined the DST in which case you still qualify to be an idiot, since countries like UK are even thinner than Pakistan.

In any event, you should eat iodized salt.

Sincerely

Your friend and well wisher

-YLH

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My friends and road fellows,

Pity the nation that is full of beliefs

and empty of religion.

Pity the nation that wears a cloth it

does not weave,

Eats a bread it does not harvest,

and drinks a wine that flows

not from its own winepress.

Pity the nation that acclaims the

bully as Hero,

And that deems the glittering

conqueror Bountiful.

Pity the nation that despises a person in

its dream,

yet submits in its awakening.

Pity the nation that raises not its voice

save when it walks in a funeral,

boasts not except among its ruins

and will rebel not save when its neck is

laid

between the sword and the block.

pity the nation whose statesman is a fox,

Whose philosopheris a juggler,

And whose art of patching and

mimicking.

Pity the nation that welcomes

it`s new ruler with trumpetings

and farewells him with hootings,

only to welcome another with

trumpetings again.

Pity the nation whose sages are dumb

with years and

whose strong men are yet in the

cradle.

Pity the nation divided into fragments,

Each fragment deeming itself a nation.



Khalil Jibran

``Given em what they want`` - In the last two years, Indian diplomacy has scored unimaginable gains. It`s problems in Kashmir are now exclusively the responsibilty of Pakistan, of ``Jihadis``, a world wide atmosphere of suppression marks the attitude of almost all countries towards Muslims and Islam, to a large number of persons around the world is synonmous with terrorism. At the same time, this diplomatic success paralles economic achievement and the nationalism and Hindutva ideology has acquired national legitimacy.

Indians cliam India is a democracy - A democracy or democractic governance is never about the will of any majority - it`s the rule and supremacy of the law. Like in Pakistan, the identification of democracy with majoritarianism is a treat. Even with achievements that all will and should grant, that have been willed, a ``sentiment``, a irrationality, dressed as ``Hindutva`` and nationalism, reveal a deep sense of insecurity. Why does this insecurity exist, personally, I do not understand. The exact opposite should have been taking place.

Some Indians argue that it is Pakistan that is to blame for their deep insecurity - perhaps there is a measure of truth to it, however; is it not valid to seek answers to explain this insecurity, within India? The achievments of the last 10-15 years in India have been the result of Indians openning up to the world and themselves, perhaps the events in Gujjrat and the responsibility of mass media in propagating ideas that promote hate against fellow citizens, suggest that we mighht revisit all the assumptions we make about the depth of the economic achievments and about just what kind of role India may or should play in the world.

Ref Ras Siddiqui #: 23

[India is at a turning point. If Gujrat-like situations continue, the future of that country is bleak no matter what IT companies it can presently attract.]

You mean India will become like, GASP, Pakistan?

What is so wrong about that?

After all, YLH and Salwar have been waxing poetic about Pakistan here on Chowk.

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Great, while China chisels away at India & Pakistan, we will continue to argue about UN resolutions foisted on us by the same people who screwed us up in the first place.

We are such intelligent bigots. By God, I am not proud of bigots.

whatever.

I think Gujrat riots was an one off incident, somewhat like LA racial riots of 1991 : happened in response to a specific event.

The underlying polarisation of the ethnic groups will continue for sometime - the wounds will take time to heal.

I think - any speculation about this kind of polarisation spreading to other parts of the country is unwarranted. But all the same - the civil society has to be vigilant agaist the forces of obscurantism. The need of the hour is focused economic plan/execution. Activities that distract the attention from those stated goals is totally unacceptable.

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