Umair Raja and Omer Rafique July 31, 2002
#32 Posted by aaisha on July 5, 2003 7:24:04 am
where is the 5th installment? or is it somewhere on chowk and i am an idiot not to find it? or are the progidal writers suffering from twin writers` block to post anything new? ...what? where?
#31 Posted by aaisha on July 3, 2003 8:33:15 am
There`s an urdu children`s monthly by the name of Saathi in Pakistan, both writers, have u ever written for it? or read it? The reason I ask this is because the plot of this novellete is quite similar to what appears regularly in the monthly...always zeroing in on Pakistan as being the prime target of US-Zion conspiracies...still the first chapter had me glued enough to read through the whole of it...
#30 Posted by Rafique on August 10, 2002 2:32:47 pm
-----saminashah 28. All the characters are based on abstract combinations of individuals that exist in real life. This makes them believable even if their lifestyles seem outrageous.....Ashrawi may or may not be in one of them.
#29 Posted by ana on August 9, 2002 1:33:47 pm
For those of you in NYC and its environs (and anywhere else :))
Rehan Ansari..haan apne chowk ka Rehan, is teaching a class on Indian cinema, To find out more about it, visit the link indicated below
http://www.nsu.newschool.edu/fall02/comm5.htm#NFLM3441
And sign up, if it strikes your fancy :)
Thanks!
Rehan Ansari..haan apne chowk ka Rehan, is teaching a class on Indian cinema, To find out more about it, visit the link indicated below
http://www.nsu.newschool.edu/fall02/comm5.htm#NFLM3441
And sign up, if it strikes your fancy :)
Thanks!
#28 Posted by saminashah on August 9, 2002 12:34:08 pm
anNy,
I`m finding out I have a marked taste for unfussy writing in poetry and fiction. Doesn`t make me too popular in the workshop room :) My fiction class almost started responding to each one of my suggestions with the retort,`` Well you`re a poetry writer. FICTION is another thing.`` But I won in the end anyway (diabolical laughter)
The other style I have a weakness for is lyrical prose/poetry. Read me a good work and I`m seduced...I read some stunning short stories last week that didn`t have a self conscious vocabularly word in them-something I`ve have been trying to incorporate in my own work. I`ve also seen the dictionary word used to good effect in a sea of simple prose; Didion, one the godesses in my growing pantheon does it to satisfying effect.
On the other hand, how can one refrain from supercilliousness and supersilliness on Chowk? Moi cannot, n`cest pas?
Rafique,
Friend, you are not required to get O`Brien`s book this weekend :)...just keep it in the back of your mind for the future...looking forward to the next install....btw, is Hanan Ashwari a prototype in this one?
I`m finding out I have a marked taste for unfussy writing in poetry and fiction. Doesn`t make me too popular in the workshop room :) My fiction class almost started responding to each one of my suggestions with the retort,`` Well you`re a poetry writer. FICTION is another thing.`` But I won in the end anyway (diabolical laughter)
The other style I have a weakness for is lyrical prose/poetry. Read me a good work and I`m seduced...I read some stunning short stories last week that didn`t have a self conscious vocabularly word in them-something I`ve have been trying to incorporate in my own work. I`ve also seen the dictionary word used to good effect in a sea of simple prose; Didion, one the godesses in my growing pantheon does it to satisfying effect.
On the other hand, how can one refrain from supercilliousness and supersilliness on Chowk? Moi cannot, n`cest pas?
Rafique,
Friend, you are not required to get O`Brien`s book this weekend :)...just keep it in the back of your mind for the future...looking forward to the next install....btw, is Hanan Ashwari a prototype in this one?
#27 Posted by Rafique on August 9, 2002 11:36:30 am
------Verreesh 25. So the final consensus is Dragon Fire by Hawksley, and not Dragon Fire by O`Rielly nor Dragon Strike by Hawksley.....I will look for it in the library over the weekend alongwith the O`Brien book....Shehkar Kapoor should do a good job with the movie. Is it going to be in English or Hindi....
------ali1 26. Thanks....Let`s see how Chapter 5 turns out. It describes a new American character and a new Indian character, both of whose names have been mentioned before.
------ali1 26. Thanks....Let`s see how Chapter 5 turns out. It describes a new American character and a new Indian character, both of whose names have been mentioned before.
#25 Posted by veeresh on August 8, 2002 4:27:42 pm
Hawksley`s Dragon Fire has some copyright issues because of which the edition I picked up looks kind of uhhhm pirated . . . Bobby Bedi (made Bandit Queen) has picked up the movie rights to be directed by Shekhar Kapoor . . . broadly the book leads up to the post-Kargil scenario with further worsening, an Indian intrusion into POK with flanking moves to seal off the railway lines in Pakistan, Pakistani nuclear retort onto Indian forces while they are inside Pakistani territory in desert areas near Rajasthan, American and British involvement in Andaman Seas with a Chinese ship and finally a Chinese nuclear bomb in Mumbai and Delhi with Indian nuclear bombs to Chengdu and Beijing.
In the end, China emerges the dominant power and India/Pakistan are chiselled away etcetc.
Engrossing read with minor geographical and other flaws, but plausible.
#24 Posted by Rafique on August 8, 2002 12:19:38 pm
------saminashah 21. I will try to look into Tim O`Brien at the local library or Chapters......Most of the startling sights pilots in Pakistan see consist of the beautiful geography of Pakistan..... Oasis in the deserts. K-2 on a clear day from a distance. Large mansions in the middle of nowhere villages. The uninhabited and untouched virgin beaches of Baluchistan. The shining lights of Karachi at night. Central Punjab covered with water one day after a massive flood.....A fighter pilot has the luxury of getting up close and face to face with these sights. That was the reference in this chapter to the main character`s bird`s eye views of Karachi being his greatest thrill. Even more thrilling than the combat flying he takes part in.
----Vereesh 22. I am trying to find Dragon Fire. I have found Dragon Strike by Hawksley and Dragon Fire by Paul Rielly. But I have not been able to find Dragon Fire by Hawksley......I just finished Line of Control by co-author and Clancy. You may want to read it. The overall scenario did end up occuring one year after the book was written. But it contains too many technical and social mistakes to have a person of Clancy`s caliber put his name on it.....I have added it to my list of thrillers on South Asia by authors who have very little understanding of the area.......Hopefully Dragon Fire is better.
----Vereesh 22. I am trying to find Dragon Fire. I have found Dragon Strike by Hawksley and Dragon Fire by Paul Rielly. But I have not been able to find Dragon Fire by Hawksley......I just finished Line of Control by co-author and Clancy. You may want to read it. The overall scenario did end up occuring one year after the book was written. But it contains too many technical and social mistakes to have a person of Clancy`s caliber put his name on it.....I have added it to my list of thrillers on South Asia by authors who have very little understanding of the area.......Hopefully Dragon Fire is better.
#23 Posted by anNy on August 8, 2002 12:19:38 pm
Samina
The things they carried is one of the most dimaag frying books I have red. Brien`s take on the vietnam experience was plain and simple incredible.
The things they carried is one of the most dimaag frying books I have red. Brien`s take on the vietnam experience was plain and simple incredible.
#22 Posted by veeresh on August 8, 2002 12:36:28 am
At the risk of repeating myself, please do try to read ``Dragon Fire`` . . .
#21 Posted by saminashah on August 7, 2002 6:00:24 pm
Rafique,
Simple metaphors work well; I wouldn`t worry too much about whether they are witty or intricate. Just try and start writing them at points you think are appropriate; I`m sure you`ve seen some really startling sights as a pilot. Try and recall them with plain language and images and see what happens. Something told simple and plain can be mor powerful than two handsful of 90 cent vocab! :)
Tim O`Brien fought in the Vietnam War. His father served at Iwo Jima. His famous book is ``The Things They Carried``; a collection of short stories about his troop. The reason I suggest that you check him (as well as other writers who focus on military operational/espionage themes) out is to give yourself a look to see whats out there. I appreciate the narratives you`ve got going already, and for the vision of this series, your and your co-writer are coming up with interesting, ambitious work. And you both seem to be pulling it off quite nicely. I guess, maybe other themes could be explored in other essays, stories, etc. I`d be really interesting in reading the narratives of soldiers in India and Pakistan.
cheers!
Simple metaphors work well; I wouldn`t worry too much about whether they are witty or intricate. Just try and start writing them at points you think are appropriate; I`m sure you`ve seen some really startling sights as a pilot. Try and recall them with plain language and images and see what happens. Something told simple and plain can be mor powerful than two handsful of 90 cent vocab! :)
Tim O`Brien fought in the Vietnam War. His father served at Iwo Jima. His famous book is ``The Things They Carried``; a collection of short stories about his troop. The reason I suggest that you check him (as well as other writers who focus on military operational/espionage themes) out is to give yourself a look to see whats out there. I appreciate the narratives you`ve got going already, and for the vision of this series, your and your co-writer are coming up with interesting, ambitious work. And you both seem to be pulling it off quite nicely. I guess, maybe other themes could be explored in other essays, stories, etc. I`d be really interesting in reading the narratives of soldiers in India and Pakistan.
cheers!
#20 Posted by Rafique on August 7, 2002 12:52:57 pm
saminashah 18. I am glad someone liked the details ;). Similies and metaphors are the best way to explain situations. But it is very difficult to come up with good and witty ones. I will try......I am not familiar with O`Brien. What is his claim to fame?......Each of the three parts is supposed to be occuring simultaneously, or at least on the same day.
glib 19. Thanks for the link.....I actually mention LCA in the next chapter....Test piloting is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Quite a few of these pilots die, even in countries like the USA with its high quality control....From what I have read the LCA was an engineering nightmare. This would make the job of the Indian Wg. Cdr. even more dangerous. I was unaware that IAF sent someone to the USAF Test Pilot School. One of my American friends is a graduate of TPS at Edwards Air Force Base. It is an extremely demanding course for pilots and engineers. Only the best in the world are able to complete it successfully.
glib 19. Thanks for the link.....I actually mention LCA in the next chapter....Test piloting is one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. Quite a few of these pilots die, even in countries like the USA with its high quality control....From what I have read the LCA was an engineering nightmare. This would make the job of the Indian Wg. Cdr. even more dangerous. I was unaware that IAF sent someone to the USAF Test Pilot School. One of my American friends is a graduate of TPS at Edwards Air Force Base. It is an extremely demanding course for pilots and engineers. Only the best in the world are able to complete it successfully.
#19 Posted by glib on August 6, 2002 12:32:53 pm
[Quote]
Mohsin often concluded that he would have made more
money than his military salary, had he just continued
with his small family business. But the Air Force had
trained him well. His military flying career had been
short, but distinguished and extremely satisfying. He
had been a chief test pilot of the new Super-7 aircraft in
China, a senior pilot in an F-16 squadron, and was now
an [sic] flight commander and instructor in Pakistan’s
world famous Combat Commanders School. He was
arguably the best pilot, in one of the best Air Forces in the world, flying its best airplane.
[Endquote]
Check out this link:
http://www.setp.org/2001Kinchaward.html
Mohsin often concluded that he would have made more
money than his military salary, had he just continued
with his small family business. But the Air Force had
trained him well. His military flying career had been
short, but distinguished and extremely satisfying. He
had been a chief test pilot of the new Super-7 aircraft in
China, a senior pilot in an F-16 squadron, and was now
an [sic] flight commander and instructor in Pakistan’s
world famous Combat Commanders School. He was
arguably the best pilot, in one of the best Air Forces in the world, flying its best airplane.
[Endquote]
Check out this link:
http://www.setp.org/2001Kinchaward.html
#18 Posted by saminashah on August 6, 2002 12:32:53 pm
This was absorbing work! Part One was fascinating esp. for civillians like me; but, small details kept me reading. If the authors are inclined, perhaps they can develop other writing strategies like similies, metaphors, etc, to communicate to readers like me, what it must be like to pilot a plane in a military exercise/flight canvas...I think that flying might lend itself well to such leaps...my advice is be more Tim O`Brien than Tom Clancy...its def. worth it ....Part Two and Three are different enough to keep our attention-i.e., how do these narratives relate or intertwine? We as readers know that placing these particular narratives together engenders the same time frame for us. So on another level, we as readers are curious about the machinations behind the red curtain!
#17 Posted by nik2002 on August 5, 2002 2:32:34 pm
Aaaaakash,
How many times do we have to remind you how to pronounce blood (its khoon khun) and by the way language you speak is urdu not hindi.
How many times do we have to remind you how to pronounce blood (its khoon khun) and by the way language you speak is urdu not hindi.
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